Toyota Supra Manual POV - Shifting up a Mountain Road - Test Drive | Everyday Driver

We've driven the Supra many times, and are thrilled it finally comes with a manual transmission. Join us for a driver's perspective test drive up one of our favorite roads. Hear a real-time review, as well as the sights and sounds of the car.
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[@ChadwickJames]

Nothing like a nice “Sunday” drive in the mountains.

[@MrNemo721]

Inline Six + RWD + Manual. Just as the automotive Gods intended it to be

[@andreisevostianov9525]

I would add a hydraulic steering rack + light weight and here we go: we got Porsche 996/997. Please.

[@jordanplays-transitandgame1690]

More like Twin Turbo V8 + AWD + Dual clutch automatic, or Tri Motor AWD

[@Jmoneyy365]

@@jordanplays-transitandgame1690easy mode

[@CamryCutz]

@@jordanplays-transitandgame1690 nah unbalanced car and too much power lacks driving experience no manual

[@user-co9zt8mu2y]

u gay?

[@kobedabest]

The B58 is such a smooth engine

[@jacks195]

Inline 6 is inherently smooth engine because the primary and secondary forces are balanced

[@mkei8973]

Hi, from Japan!! Thanks for showing us the valuable POV. as usual, Todd!! We don’t need rev match. Rev match is our job. Not vehicle’s job!!

[@thirdpedalnirvana]

Awesome to hear from the international viewers of the show! I'm so sorry that in Japan it costs more and more money to register your car as it gets older. I'd go bankrupt in japan buying up 80's and 90's JDM cars and trying to keep them registered.

[@mkei8973]

@@thirdpedalnirvana I’m glad to hear from other Everyday Driver friend. Thank you. I’m happy many Americans are interesting in JDM. By the way I always read your comments, too.

[@touayaaj84]

I took my Supra to the tail and in stock form, it doesn’t disappoint.

[@thirdpedalnirvana]

"A moose and her calf" - At first I thought you were making a joke about the RV towing the Jeep. It took me a moment to realize you were serious!

[@jasonyee6533]

Wow, maybe one of the best POV reviews of any car on KZbin! 👏🏽 👏🏽👏🏽

[@TestDriveVideos]

Glad you enjoyed it that much. Thank you!

[@andreisevostianov9525]

I think I’m watching this because I miss driving a Supra on this particular road and other fun roads that you guys have out there and generously shared with us this summer. Heart-warming memories. Great POV vid. Keep up the good work!

[@jasonkang105]

AT owner, 100% agree about steering and throttle inputs being very minute, I find smooth inputs are a must at all times and if too liberal, will find the edge very quickly 😂

[@anthonyb8979]

Great POV and worthwhile commentary on the drive as well, thanks Todd!

[@thirdpedalnirvana]

Todd, you still seem confused by the hate the new supra got - and still gets. It's really not that complicated. Toyota and BMW collaborated to make a great sports car, and we, the enthusiasts of driving, really appreciate that. The problem is that most fans of the 4th gen supra ARE NOT fans of driving. They wouldn't understand why a Miata is more fun than a Lamborghini Urus, or a fiesta ST is more fun than a Focus RS. They certainly would never understand why someone would rather buy a new Supra over a Dodge Hellcat. They like sound, they like fury, they like burning rubber, they like acceleration, they like drag strips, they like mechanical violence. They drive spec sheets. And the simple fact of the matter is the 4th gen Supra isn't a sports car to them. It isn't a car at all. It is a vessel for the most overbuilt mass produced DOHC inline six of all time, the 2JZ. They are fans of a motor that, with a big turbo, a tune, and a headgasket, can make 1000+ hp. The new supra is plenty powerful, to those of us who actually want to put power down to the road and have a balanced, usable sports car experience. But fans of the 4th gen Supra don't care about any of that. Heck the 4th gen supra is less sporty and weighs more (in NA trim) than the Lexus IS300 with the same NA 2JZ motor. Toyota's miscalculation with the Supra was that they thought they had fans of their car, when really they had fans of their engine. It doesn't matter if the new engine from BMW is better at breathing and making power stock than any Toyota motor has ever been. It matters that they cant go straight from the dealership to a tuning shop and in 24 hours for $10 grand of upgrades make 1000hp at the wheels. Toyota should have built the supra with tractor parts and designed every component for 3x the power of stock. It would have made it a worse sports car. It would have made it less delicate, less balanced, heavier... but it would have given Supra fans what they wanted. Instead, they made a car for us, the people who love driving, the people who habitually buy 5-15 year old cars so we can get more car for our money, because we don't care if we aren't seen as wealthy or hip. They made a car for the people who see merit in the GT86 over the GR Supra. The people who would rather drive an ND miata than an Urus. They made a car for people who wish Porsches weren't driven by people who want the badge, perhaps 2% of Porsches clientele. They made a car I'd want more than a porsche, for the same money... but I don't have that money. Its too expensive for those of us who cant even dream of a new porsche, and its not prestigious enough for most porsche buyers. Its not tunable enough to get the 4th gen supra fanboys who would rather drive an NA 4th gen than a miata - ONLY for bragging rights. They made the mistake of developing the car they wanted to build, the car they wanted to own, the car the engineers wanted to own and drive. And that's why I don't think I will ever be able to make my job my passion. Because if I worked in the auto industry, I'd either make cars that nobody wanted to buy, or I'd be miserable.

[@SlickSniper3]

Love your videos. The supra is awesome. I have 4 great years with the gr supra. It's a fantastic machine.

[@parkman8595]

Really enjoying the insightful commentary on these POV style videos. You're doing a good job communicating what the experience is like, which I appreciate. I've watched many videos, including other POV videos of the manual Supra and I don't think any have mentioned the throttle pedal travel, or the steering sensitivity. Like this format. Keep at it Todd!

[@TestDriveVideos]

Glad you enjoyed this. We’re constantly refining our POVs, and will definitely be doing more. Thanks for watching!

[@GabrielMoscardiPauka]

Thanks for the video! My 2023 MT in CU Later is parked for the Canadian winter, and damn I miss her! Seeing this video brings me a warm feeling!

[@Paul-ez1mj]

Thanks Todd!! Another great POV. Love your observations, and your ability to express them so everyone can understand them.

[@TestDriveVideos]

Thank you! We’re glad you enjoy these. We appreciate you watching!

[@SupraSav]

That is an awesome road! Love what you guys do on this channel and everydaydriver! Hoping to pick up a manual 2025 Supra!🤞

[@rd4809]

Can’t wait until mine arrives lates this month!

[@michaelshapiro1296]

Hmmm, another test car with a “defective” speedometer. I’m beginning to suspect something funny’s going on. Great video, BTW. Brings back fond memories from this past June.

[@churchofbrap876]

You mentioned bad wind buffetting in your Elise. I have an 06 yellow just like yours. With both windows down and the top on, wind noise is very minimal. I also love that i can easily reach across and roll the passenger window down with very little effort the car is so narrow inside!

[@malikbellot2883]

wow awesome ride.

[@Bungle]

Great job spotting the moose and her calf. That is worth the price of admission right there. I got to say, I think it's a little weird that you cruise around at 5,000 RPM when you aren't accelerating. I know it doesn't sound as cool but you save a lot of gas if you shift.

[@bm717252]

Beautiful scenery

[@johnmac609]

whatever you've done, you fixed the camera angle on the POV for me. it's not like 10 feet from the wheel now.

[@GorhamWorks]

Great road! The car is absolutely an instrument on anything twisty....

[@johncaterify]

I rented a GR Supra recently and had some issues with heat soak. Very hot day, blasting the AC, driving very hard so it's understandable. Did you have that problem at all?

[@100flyking]

Really hard choice in front of me. I have an m240i, 6mt, convertible. I REALLY wanna try a Supra out, but I feel like I'd trade in the m240 on the spot

[@jaredfaidley8391]

I like seeing you guys get close to nature! Was there a vid where big horned sheep make an appearance?

[@chrisginoc]

Coming from a 2023 Supra 6MT owner, it was satisfying watching your review. I was torn initially between the 2023 M2 or a 2023 Supra 6MT. I didnt want to pay $72k+ for an M2 so I settled on the Supra. Only time will tell if I made the right choice, but I will say the Supra gives me plenty of smiles per gallon.

[@TestDriveVideos]

We hope you’ve seen our comparison of the M2 and Supra (along with the Camaro) on our original channel. /EverydayDriver. Thanks for watching!

[@chrisginoc]

@@TestDriveVideos i saw it and excellent video comparison. I'm not an American car enthusiast but the Camaro holds it's own. I was shocked at the video because a lot of reviewers seem to be over the moon with the G87 M2. Do you still stand by that video choosing the Supra?

[@Trochanus]

i am an supra owner for the past 3 years and drove the m2 on last Friday... beside the looks, I would take the g87 all day long for sure. But the most important thing is your joy, so enjoy your supra and don't regret it based on others opinion!

[@chrisginoc]

@@Trochanus Thanks for the comment and you are right. Worrying about being the fastest, others or having fomo is a losing game. We will never win because newer and faster cars come out almost yearly. We should just enjoy what we have. Some people can't even afford these cars and don't have the option to choose

[@stevepascoe]

The graphics in the new Need For Speed are awesome!

[@franciscocabrerabrito5945]

Alfa Romeo 4C POV please. Future classic. Sad you don't have the Alpine A110S there too.

[@thirdpedalnirvana]

Who did the fun keyframing work to blot out the speedo?

[@timothymurray4629]

Lovely POV: A manual Supra with extra moose!

[@LavshBeatsTMlavishbeats]

I’d be keen to know how this compares to the Emira?

[@sebastiandlt9514]

Besides the Supra being my dream car to own, that is one beautiful road. Reminds me of eastern europe countryside but less hilly. Where is it?

[@TestDriveVideos]

This road is near Salt Lake City, Utah. Thanks for watching!

[@thirdpedalnirvana]

Toyota should sell aftermarket kits to improve the feel of BMW shifters

[@chrisginoc]

I have a 2023 Supra 6MT and this does not feel like BMWs rubbery shifter like M4, M3 or other prior shifters. I haven't driven the new G87 M2, but maybe that one is better than recent BMWs

[@MrMentos876]

"So let that be a lesson - watch for moose!" "Anyway..." *revs higher*

[@twoshady518]

people tearing apart the MKV Supra are really nit picking. I bought a '23 MT fully expecting to have to deal with all it's supposed short comings. I came to find out that all of it was very exaggerated. this is an excellent sports car and for me personally it checks all of the boxes for what I wanted. I absolutely love it and it gets looks and a thumbs up every where I go... possibly it's only downside for me 😉

[@TestDriveVideos]

We agree. It’s a much better car then the internet has made it out to be. Congrats on owning one!

[@thirdpedalnirvana]

If Alfa Romeo made a manual 4cyl Giulia I would be so all over it. Even if they kept the part where you can't defeat traction control. But I don't think they're gonna pull a Supra and release it after a few years.... And while the ZF 8 speed locks up in every gear, I found it impossible to come smoothly to a stop without putting the car in neutral everytime. That's far too annoying to live with.

[@thirdpedalnirvana]

Seriously, help me. I can't stop thinking about the Giulia, even though I can't stand the gearbox. I think about it while driving my Lexus IS300 5MT. I will never sell my appreciating Lexus with an indestructible 2JZ to buy an auto Alfa Romeo made by Dodge, that has undefeatable traction control and a slushbox. But I cANT sTOP tHINKING aBOUT tHE GIULIA

[@petahlee]

How does the supra compare to the GR86 in terms of dynamics?

[@johnhunter7244]

Watch their piece on the GT86 vs 2.0 supra. Yes, it's the 1st gen 86, but it should give you a good idea.

[@milesfathi]

I own the GR86 and test drove the supra 3.0 recently. They are very different cars. Supra is a big boy kind of performance car. You gain premium feeling and tons of power but you also gain weight and lose a bit connectedness. The dominating feeling with the GR86 is the lightness and the fact that you feel everything. My takeaway was that for that 2-5% of the time when you want to go for that fun drive, GR86 is more enjoyable. The other 95% of the time, supra takes it with power and refinement. The big let down for me with the GR86 is the subaru engine which makes way too many unrefined noises.

[@johnhunter7244]

@@milesfathi that makes sense to me, but it's also a bit ironic how the supra (and most 2 seaters) is the same size and heavier than the 86.

[@thirdpedalnirvana]

@@milesfathi I spent a weekend with my friend's '13 BRZ and I know what you mean. But what's so odd about it is that the sounds are so dirty, snarly, unrefined 4cyl noises, but then you expect to feel those 4 cyl vibrations. But because it's a boxer, it's smooth. It's like biting into a chip covered in red dust that you think is chili powder only to find its paprika. The sound is very similar to an S2000 but the honda wants to shake your fillings out, whereas the BRZ gently massages your shoulders.

[@thirdpedalnirvana]

From what I understand, the GR86 is more fingertippy, more likely to make you have fun when you aren't pushing it, whereas the Supra is more planted. However, the shorter wheelbase in the supra gives it an agility that reveals itself when you drive harder. I imagine back to back down an empty backroad, the Supra is more fun, both power AND handling. However the 86 probably feels more nimble and agile at lower speed/around town, thanks to its lower weight. I think the scale goes something like this: "chuckable" (Miata .... GR86............................Supra.........Nissan Z......Porsche 911) "Planted" But take it with a grain of salt. I've driven every car on that scale EXCEPT the Supra).

[@thirdpedalnirvana]

I was going to say that I like driving sports cars with the windows down, but that includes the 300zx, so maybe I like wind buffeting? Do people buy sports cars and want to have the top down/windows open but not have wind hitting them in the hair??? Like what's the point of being "in the elements" but you want them out of your face?? I thought the whole point of being in a car with windows down/top down is your head and upper torso is enveloped in violent waves of air pulsing through your skin, quickly drying your sweat and making you FEEL your speed. If you don't want wind in your hair, you want an enclosed cockpit.

[@MdRDan]

Is the m240i a better buy? Same motor, a little cheaper and less twitchy.

[@thegirthquake8574]

No manual in the 240, it's heavier and awd.

[@thirdpedalnirvana]

Depends on if you want to attack roads or just cruise down them.

[@ALB2073]

I like the car but in all the videos I have seen it just seems like it is to fast for enjoying normal driving and not lose your license. You would need to short shift the manual everywhere in order to not exceed the speed limit and this seems to defy the reason to get a manual in the first place.....may as well get the auto if you can't use the full rev range in normal driving. From this respect perhaps the GR86 is a better daily/city car.

[@churchofbrap876]

This is why u get a Miata!

[@thedeadpoet000]

2023 Toyota GR Supra Manual OR 991.1 911 Carrera S Manual?

[@chrisginoc]

I have a Supra 6MT and I might lean towards Carrera. Porsche is just on a different level even though the Supra is very fun. Maybe because I've always wanted a Porsche I say this 😆

[@sneakernomics]

A rubbery stick explains a lot about bmw drivers

[@kaizer5795]

idc what anyone says, if i have 60 grand i’ll pick this over a trashed a80

[@rickymartinez6821]

Trying to decide if this car is worth the 700 monthly payment for 5 years 😬

[@MrTickleBean]

The only way you’re getting those payments is if you put >$25k down or you’re buying used.

[@rickymartinez6821]

@MrTickleBean I have an sti I will sell for 20-25k and use for down payment, correct.

[@Trochanus]

I drove my supra over 30000kms mostly on curvy narrow European mountainroads, have been 3 months in the alps with it in sum. And sry but I need to say the supra isn't that great of a Sportscar. I got a 2.0 but in the European dynamic specs, so it got the eLSD, the brakes and the adaptive Suspension of the 3.0. And even with these breaks(with upgrades: pads, hoses and fluid) the supra makes so much problems downhill. The general feel in the supra for anything is missing. Sure it's still a fun car, the spread of things it can handle is huge! But I would rate it more GT oriented than a real Sportscar. On last Friday I drove the new m2 g87 on our backroads here. On Saturday I got back in my supra... In the supra you can't never go that pace(the power is taken out of the equation 2.0 vs S58...), I felt real unsafe in pushing the supra. It just isn't that capable. And nearly all roads I drive with these cars are way tighter than the one in the video. In the real tight stuff the supra is decent, but not more. As it gets a little bit wider(even tighter then shown here) it falls of hardly. But this is just my opinion. You can surely join a discussion with me;)

[@tone3560]

That interior looks feels like a coffin

[@evoemperor3776]

Modern manual cars are shit the rev hang is killing it.

[@hongkong322]

The 2.0 needs a manual

[@thirdpedalnirvana]

Another problem with LCD screens replacing gauge clusters... GoPro video makes them flicker. Embrace tradition. Use real needles.

[@thirdpedalnirvana]

Actually to give it credit, the fake needle shows up fine. It seems to be that the backlight on the numbers is using pulse-width-modulation to do the brightness control.

[@jayczyzyk7607]

Claustrophobic 😢