Toyota Tundra vs Ram 1500 - V8 or Twin-Turbo V6? We Compare Power & MPG On a Long Drive

[@TundraDad]

I wish someone would do a 5 year comparison between trucks with similar mileage. Interesting to compare, Rust, Service/Repair record, Mileage and finally resale value.

[@blackericdenice]

Any Tundra is going to have better resale value than a Ram.

[@jeffray2869]

@@blackericdenice yea I was gonna say I think I would take the Tundra....Longevity is unprecedented....

[@gabevillarreal4779]

Not even close! When it comes to Reliability resal values durability and dependability, Toyota is KING. Not fuel economy. I love the look and ride of the ram and sound but wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole with my money! Toyota Trucks for life!

[@facts30sec]

​@@gabevillarreal4779 hemi V8 is bulletproof. Behind v8 tundra but better than v6 turbo

[@amishmuscle2536]

Toyota would win this ez. Longevity smokes any big 3 they would test. I do love Rams but transmissions go out on a regular basis. All the time. And electrical… but I love the engine and interior in the Ram but I would only buy the Tundra

[@eugenewilson5212]

I love the RAM. I bought a 2022 White with Black trim GT. Same exact one you all were testing...Love it!!!

[@thecookiedude85]

I was debating buying a Tundra or Ram earlier last year… I ultimately chose the Ram and do not regret it. I’m 30k miles in and that Hemi is roaring strong…

[@Nk-bc1qb]

Just wait. New tranny and terrible resale is in your future. 200k and at least 1 tranny guaranteed. If you’ve never owned a Toyota you’ll never know quality. American stuff seems ok until ya get up in mileage. Just read the resale values. Toyota trucks diminish very little in 5 years. Big 3 30% easy. You can lease a Toyota truck, turn it in and they will pay you the equity. Ask me how I know

[@boldsyea5790]

@@Nk-bc1qb Your right the Ram my drive and have a better interior but nothing beating a toyota as far as long term reliability maybe Honda but that's about it. Honda or Toyota if you like to save money long-term. But if you swapping out cars and trucks every 4 to 5 yrs buy what you want. lol

[@benjy117]

I purchased the 2018 Tundra with the V8 5.7 crewmax sr5 TSS. I will not purchase any VEHICLE with a turbo installed. It is only designed for the manufacturer to cut cost but still charge the high price as if it were a v8. What anyone in the industry will tell you is that YOU DO NOT WANT A TURBO in a large city. TURBOS eat away at your components. It's nothing but high pressure air being mixed with the gas. I found this 2018 Tundra in perfect condition. Still has a year left on warranty and I have another 4 year warranty on top of it. For $41,000 total it was still a ripping I got with a a 8.97 interest rate. My other vehicle I purchased this Jan was only 4% interest.

[@johndelossantos1572]

Rust has entered the chat.

[@vee6411]

@@Nk-bc1qblmfao who tf cares about resale on a depreciating asset. If you’re not prepared to lose your money you can’t afford it. ZF 8 speed is probably the mist reliable part of the Ram, idk what the fuck you’re yapping about.

[@johnnylightning02745]

To get so little extra MPG and lose the V8 sound makes absolutely no sense. Not to mention, the GT package on the Ram is just cool!

[@JC71444]

I notice you cleverly avoided the elevation benefits with turbos, higher payload, cost AND way more torque.

[@rickroel4994]

It’s a Toyota vs Chrysler. You can’t possibly like the Ram better. Gross.

[@Kevin257]

So you rather have shitty MPG just cuz the V8 sounds good 🤣🤣 grow up

[@gabevillarreal96]

FORD STARTED THAT TREND! EITHER ECO OR BOOST! CAN'T HAVE BOTH!! it's the exact same for Toyota! Difference is, the Toyota will stay super ultra reliable!

[@JC71444]

@@gabevillarreal96 well eco when you’re just cruising and driving it empty. Power when you’re towing or hauling (as proven by output numbers, tow rating, speed, and capability with the powerboost generator)

[@jorangel87]

There is a reason ram has kept its flagship hemi 5.7 in the rams and that cause it’s been proven reliability and power.

[@Arellanog123]

Im here 2 years later and ram killed the hemi. 😭

[@thebeddoctor4273]

The more videos I watch the more the new Tundra is a huge letdown.

[@billwaterhouse5894]

Fantastic video guys, love the real world comparisons.

[@blackericdenice]

8:05 you didn't notice they put up a picture of the old Tundra with a 3.4 v6 mpg?

[@303MoTo]

The big take away here is that you should definitely not trade in your late model V8 truck for V6 tundra just for fuel economy.

[@flight2k5]

🤣 why

[@bonniec8869]

I like the way you put this video testing together. I've had two Rams and a Toyota (Tacoma) and I've loved both the Rams, so it does my heart good to learn it edges out the Toyota. These Rams both had V6, 3.6L engines with 8-spd transmissions, and they work like a charm with decent fuel consumption and lots of power. The one I'm now in is a 2016 with 200,000 trouble-free kms on the clock. I'll buy another Ram for my next truck adventure!

[@quicktoevil]

Own a 2020 Classis Tradesman with 3.6L V6 no eTorque and I'm genuinely surprised how much I like the Ram. It was imexpensive, no frills and I never thought I'd keep it long but now I plan to drive it till the wheels fall off lol. Terrific ride, cavernous interior, great fuel economy and its a proper truck. Really come to appreciate its simplicity these days.

[@edkruzel]

I have a 2020 rebel, more capable than what I need. What I can't live without any longer is the storage. I'm quite spoiled with floor containers, under seat, and ram boxes.

[@rjs49ers]

Ram has been doing well for a long time, definitely still underrated but its getting recognition and a brand again.

[@mysterysolver514]

What is your mpg combined ? Looking for one right now but gas is still kind of pricey

[@smarticus6384]

I think these results are a testament to just how aerodynamic the Ram’s body is compared to the Tundra.

[@8138username]

Great job! After owning 3 Toyota trucks I switched over to my first RAM truck last year. RAM makes a great truck. New Tundra is a "No" for me because of the TT engine.

[@krasnaludek298]

CORRECT … smart man.

[@fireant1272]

Rams are great! Mine is going on 225k. No problems.

[@fireant1272]

Awesome video, I think ram has been the best truck on the market since 2019. Great trucks.

[@omardevonlittle3817]

EZ

[@BluSkyLogistics]

I think ram has really stepped up their game in the last couple years. I’m quite satisfied with reliability and durability. I drove truck for work. Traveling millwright. It’s been tuned since 40k miles with Diablo tuner and has headers and Vera ram intake. Super quick truck. Way faster than I need. I drive this truck irresponsibly on a regular occasion. It’s held up great to the abuse. I CAN get to 21mpg on highway. Which I think is exceptional on 34” Michelin AT2 (mild all-terrain tire) 2014 - Ram 1500 5.7 8sp 4x4 quad cab. 3.21 gear ratio. Here are list of repairs so far. 120k - exhaust gasket (put headers) 140k - front wheel hub. (Replaced both) 145k - a/c compressor I’m looking to for a newer truck to drive should this one go down and was considering a Toyota but the interiors are abysmal compared to a Laramie or even a big horn.

[@brycehammond2099]

The Interiors are literally better lmaoo your couple hundred k is nothing all these yotas got 400+k

[@quicktoevil]

⁠I owned my 2003 Tundra for 15 years, loved it but I wont keep another vehicle that long again. With rust, wear and tear and safety concerns I could care less if an engine goes 400k miles because the rest of the vehicle wont, not here in the 'rust belt' anyway.

[@ricksrandomrepairsandrevie9611]

My takeaway is to maintain and keep my 2014 Ram 1500 Outdoorsman CC with the 6’4 bed 3.92 gears 5.7 hemi and only 62,500 miles as long as possible

[@jamesmichael5475]

Reliability of the V6 Turbo compared to a normally aspirated V8 is what people are concerned about, more than just HP and torque.

[@PhilSowden]

Yep to fully compare V6 to V8 you gotta come back in 100K miles after towing with both engines and compare maintenance history.

[@jeremycook9852]

guess it won't matter since Ram is going to turbo inline 6 next year so you can throw the V8 reliability comparison out the window.

[@vee950]

No the V8 will still be an option with the ram even though the tt I6 is in the works also its safe to say the hemi has already proven its reliability over decades

[@jeremycook9852]

@@vee950 2023 is the last year for the 5.7 and 6.4 V8 across the board for FCA.

[@jeremycook9852]

​@@vee950 Ram is underneath the Fiat banner and it's already stated that 2023 is the last year of the hemi for all brands. Jeep, Dodge, Ram, etc. Going to be turbo six with a hybrid variant from then on.

[@davidhillbrand2302]

Very realistic mpg run. It sure would have been interesting if Toyota ran this 10 speed and 3.31 gears with the old 5.7v8. I am guessing the MPG would have been similar to the new v6. Pretty low payloads - especially in the Ram.

[@baine5.7]

Good point on trans .

[@theoutdoordad7395]

payloads are super disappointing

[@dudeman5788]

Toyota made a fatal mistake by not carrying-over the 5.7L v8 with a 10 speed trans option.

[@feliperomanoff9808]

Agree

[@BPeezy315]

I think they should have kept a modern V8 as an option. Even ford has the 5.0 and the 3.5TT, 2.7TT honorable mention. They have the best of both worlds. I currently have a 2021 Taco and I love it. But I’m eyeballing what’s next when my lease is up. I might just keep the taco. Unless the dealer says that they have a TeRD Off Road for me. Lol

[@miguelsalgado4673]

I dont think 8 cilinders are always great, if so, police fleet would have them, it all comes down to power to weight, just like now a gt40 has a 6

[@BPeezy315]

@@miguelsalgado4673 not all police cruisers are great. I got pulled over in my 2004 Mustang GT back in the day. The cop in the 2010 impala v6 told me if I would have “put the hammer down, he couldn’t have caught me.” He was a good guy and wanted to buy my mustang. Lol I didn’t get a ticket.

[@69sound81]

@@miguelsalgado4673 police cares more about cost on repairs, cost on maintenance, price of the vehicles, availability of that amount of vehicles they need and finally fuel consumption. Oh, they also care about how good of a deal they can get and how much money will fall into their pockets for buying one option over the rest (that last point only for the ones making the decitions).

[@trailrunnah8886]

Great test! Definitely real world. Between the two trucks, I would take the RAM, however the Tundra is growing on me. I especially like the lower spec in this test. I think the biggest obstacle to getting good mileage with the RAM would be that the engine sounds so good, it'd be really hard to keep my foot out of the throttle, haha.

[@spudbuilt4308]

I'd take a non turbo v8 over ANY regardless of maker vs a turbo v6. Just asking for more shit to fix. I owned a 2021 ford ranger, sold that thing cause the turbo kept being weird along with the transmission not wanting to shift correctly. I know Toyota is a bit more solid than Ford, but still... it's still more stuff to worry about vs just raw engine. The hemi from Ram isn't w/o flaws either but I'd rather have those flaws vs a v6 that just loses it's turbo and has no more ass when pulling something

[@bewilderment9268]

I have had 4 new Rams in a row, starting in 1998, then 2001, 04, and 2015. Mopar or no car. And my butt loves the Hemi.

[@trailrunnah8886]

@@spudbuilt4308 agree. Especially since it doesn't even get much better mpg for all that added complexity. I'll take the hemi or GM 5.3/6.2 over that any day.

[@socalTelematicsTech]

hands down RAM

[@osu3221]

If you are a long term truck owner, I'm talking 10 years, but the tundra, they are always tighter out of the box, they loosen up a bit and are super nice after about 40k, it's just a better built truck with more quality components. For a lease I'd go ram.

[@christopherkelly3426]

This guy makes the best truck videos!

[@bhemp9178]

Great review and real world perspective in my opinion. if I was an open truck market Buyer with no brand attachment, this alone would pull me to the RAM. Bring in the looks department, hands down the RAM wins all day.

[@josephina24]

The Ram GT package is so attractive, the V8 roar certainly is something else

[@mikewade4102]

I can tell you I have owned a 2024 Toyota tundra capstone and it is not the same truck as a ram 1500. Toyota are made cheap. They’re interiors are cheap. They have parts that will come off, especially around the seats, particularly the seat panels they are just plainly cheap. I have a ram 1500 Limited. It is unbelievably tight no cheap parts. The engine runs better. It runs smoother. It’s a better rideram 1500 are much better than Toyota

[@Samyouell11510]

Could y’all do a video on the F150 with the 2nd Gen 2.7 ecoboost and 10 speed? There’s just not any good videos on the current 2.7/10 speed set up… and of course Truck King always has the best truck reviews.

[@TruckKing]

if we can get one we will

[@rubicondickweed]

I was thinking the same thing. Plenty of power for most people and the best mpg of any half ton. Need to see more 2.7l reviews.

[@Samyouell11510]

@@TruckKing Sweet! Thanks man! If not it’s all good I know we all appreciate the great content y’all always put out.

[@quinton8312]

Great truck I own a 2020 2.7 fast and good on gas when you want it to be

[@rondail5675]

Thanks Steve and Matt for the honest review. I would pick the RAM. I think the F150 Powerboost might be a better choice.

[@MUISHAGGY572]

I'd rather get a 2021 5.7L V8 Tundra or a Chevy Silverado.

[@floridajames04]

Nope! Anything boosted by FORD is a joke! 🤣🤣🤣

[@floridajames04]

@@MUISHAGGY572 Gross... he said Chevy hahaha clearly dude has no taste 🤣

[@fireant1272]

Definitely not Ford. I had a 3.5 EcoBoost it was the biggest pile in the world along with the 10 speed. They are definitely last in reliability and driveability! Rams are much better built trucks!

[@keepingitmellow]

im buying these v6 whenever they reach 150 to 200k without breaking parts. all youtubers comparing brand news vehicles is just pointless

[@crsantin]

I don't care at all about off the line speed in a pickup truck. I'll take my Hemi any time. I've had mine for two years now and it's awesome. Not a single issue with anything on my Ram and the Hemi has great power delivery when I need it. I change my oil every 5k kms without fail, always clean oil in my Hemi.

[@joetaravella13]

@@mthabitX 💯

[@deesnutz5576]

My last hemi was an 07. 160,000 miles before she got totaled by one of the neighbors kid while parked 🤦‍♂️. Zero issues. Got a 2019 now. So far so good.

[@bquade70]

My last Ram Hemi was a '99 Lasted till my new '19 ram 1500 Hemi. 210k original miles. No way would I trust longevity on twin turbos.... Just saying. Lake Havasu 🌞 Az

[@bquade70]

@@mthabitX time will tell...

[@neilfarrell33]

Haha, just wait a few years. That's when the difference between these 2 trucks will show

[@shazmodeus2795]

The tundra with the body matched grill ring and black bumpers (as shown) actually looks pretty good. The problem is you can only get the TRD Off-road package with the ugly silver/chrome grill ring and silver/chrome bumpers. I actually talked with a dealer about this. I told them I hate the silver on the truck, but I want the TRD off-road package, and was told the only way they could do it, would be to paint those pieces after the fact at the dealership (for additional money of course). They lost my sale. I went to Ram and they built me the exact truck I wanted. I ordered a 1500 Big Horn with the Backcountry package, it's arriving next month. I also test drove both trucks, and preferred the ride and interior of the Ram. It was quite the shock to me, as I had fully intended to buy the 2022 Tundra, upgrading from my current truck, a 2014 Tacoma.

[@quicktoevil]

Drove a 2003 Tundra for 15 years and now a 2020 Ram Classic. Both great trucks but the first gen Tunra with 4.7L V8 was unstoppable. That said I really like my Ram! Time will tell.

[@JohnSmith-ev1sm]

Hey guys, great video. I consistently get around 22+ mpg in my 2019 Big Horn with MDS disabled, running on probably the same roads (hyw 400 to hyw 11 etc). Got to keep the speed down to 103 or so. I have the 3.21 gears and drive in the right lane so there's that too. Best to date was 25 but that was 3 hours of pure 105 km/h (no city or rural), factory tires and oil. Running thicker oil for towing and Michelin tires I no longer get 25 but can still easily get 22.

[@davidmckibbin4440]

i have a 2013 ram 1500 hemi with 3.21 rear, mds stopped working at 214000 miles which is fine, one reg. gas i can still get 23 mpg, best truck ive ever owned.

[@dmm5157]

That's pretty good. On a long drive last week, my 2022 Ram Bighorn V8 got around 25 mpg from 55mph to 60mph on cruise control. Most I've gotten on a single drive is 32 mpg when cruising at around 45mph on a flat country road. Mpg Drops a lot once I cruise at 75mph though, usually around 19 mpg. The engine sounds so good, it's hard to not mash the pedal and destroy that gas mileage though. Great truck!

[@craigfoster294]

22 mpg with a 5.7 L hemi? You’re delusional.

[@davidmckibbin4440]

@@craigfoster294 very easy to do, just dont drive over 70 on the hwy,

[@jonthomas8487]

Similar mpg. On rolling hills under 65 I’ve seen better than 22mpg

[@Arexodius]

Loved the snow landscape drive! Long trips in winter is just magical in a sense. I'm sure the Tundra would improve fuel economy with a generic soft tune, but so would the eTorque RAM most likely.

[@ridgezero]

Great fair review guys!! You both need to do more

[@gregmve6gcm]

Very interesting! As a Mopar guy I have to go with the Ram. That being said, the Tundra is a nice truck as well, but I prefer the Ram.

[@efrainnunez1678]

Me too

[@youarerightboss]

Sure wished Toyota Motor Corporation would have retained that legendary tried and true bulletproof naturally aspirated 5.7 liter V-8 engine and reliable Aisin 6 speed automatic transmission powertrain, at least as an option.

[@gtflips]

Im with you man, i have a 2008 and a 2020 tundra with the 5.7.....not the best mpg but the reliability makes up for it. Love my tundras

[@davidmckibbin4440]

yes my 2013 ram 1500 hemi has the 5,7 with the aisin 6 speed, they are both bulletproof.

[@ML-lg4ky]

The first group to compare the 21 Tundra vs. the 22 Tundra will break the internet!

[@dexterrussell9581]

I like the video but could you do a similar test in towing? From my understanding, turbo engines under load get worse gas milage than a v8 under load.

[@rahulranecool]

Exactly

[@bornfree3124]

Also, my mustang i had with 4cyl turbo burnt the turbo up hauling a trailer.

[@tinshield]

The Ram 3.21 axle gives a nice bump in fuel economy over the 3.92. Depending what your priorities are it may be a better option. My 22 is always over 18.5 mpg and I’ve had 22.8 mpg on a long trip. Not bad at all.

[@JLswatchthis]

Yea mine with the 3:21 gears is decent on the highway. 21-24mpg

[@baloo1522]

What mph were you driving on the long trip?

[@tinshield]

@@baloo1522 70 +/- 5 mph. Was around 23 till I hit CT where there was more hills and less opportunity to coast.

[@JLswatchthis]

@@baloo1522 70mph as well with hills

[@bill_b8440]

@@JLswatchthis is this tank to tank or trip on a days worth of driving? I’ve noticed with my eco boost my day to day is great at 21-22… if I leave it tank to tank I end up down around 18 lol. I’m looking hard at the ram next up

[@Spartan5420]

The ram is light years ahead. The Toyota may last longer but your getting a lot with that beautiful ram.

[@1234tellmewhatyourlookingfor]

I have a 2022 Ram Back country off road edition. Full locking differential hill desent tow group with trailer steering, skid plates 3.92 rear in a quad cab I chose for weight reduction. Falcon wild peak all terrain tires. Up graded suspension All for 57 out the door. Good luck 👍

[@billbratsikas3012]

Side note. You have to note how the Tundra has just 100kms and how the Ram has broken into engine with over 4,000kms. Also the TRD sport has a different suspension. Try the of road package and you’ll see the difference. Other than that. Great video guys.

[@Samiamd663]

Yup the tundra engine gets way better mpg once it’s bedded in

[@triumphrider9396]

My 2021 Tundra TRD Pro with upgraded 35” tires gets 14.5 MPG. I would expect a turbo V6 to get better than 1.9 MPG improvement. Very disappointing. I’ll be holding onto mine for awhile.

[@plutosrealm4594]

yup. my 19 pro gets 15 to 15.5 all day on 34" cooper stt pros all day everyday. from all the videos and owners i've talked to i bet the tt v6 will be even worse than the v8 with a lift and bigger tires bcuz of that wimpy ass 3.31 rear end

[@the_atomic_punk487]

Oh man, that Ram sounds great.

[@michaelseipp9102]

The auto stop start function doesn’t activate when the truck has max ac on, if you’re on a steep incline or decline, and the key to your point, if it’s under 40 degrees Fahrenheit or 4 degree Celsius

[@nhlcfl7733]

Great review and to realize how both experience similar fuel economy. Really appreciate your winter weather drive as mfrs. Are not rating their numbers based on real world colder temp. days & conditions. One is always going to idle more in winter (warming up, wheel slippage, keeping warm while talking to a friend and sipping a brewsky, LOL - not), adding up to more fuel sipping. 👍🏼👍🏼 Good old Young gun Canucks 🇨🇦

[@michaelharrisson1683]

I have been called crazy for this claim... Thanks for doing a great test

[@mclark2330]

Got my oil changed today at Toyota for my 18 Tundra which gave me the opportunity to kick the tires on the 22. Pictures DO NOT do it justice, it’s simply amazing in person. The fit and finish is just amazing. I’m gonna hold off until next year to see some of these first model year bugs worked out.

[@FizzleWick1]

well... did you pull the trigger on the new tundra?

[@mclark2330]

@@FizzleWick1 Not yet, mine will be paid off in just a couple of months and it still drives like new. Im gonna enjoy no payments for a year or two and then talk with my dealer. Im hoping by then any bugs are worked out and the dealers eliminate those crazy mark ups in my part of GA.

[@FizzleWick1]

@@mclark2330 lol I’ll talk to you again in a year… lmao yea I hear yah! I’m just gonna enjoy my truck for a couple of years car note free and see how the tundra, Tacoma, and 4 runner is gonna be.

[@franciscocruz6726]

I am a die hard Tundra owner, 2019 TRD Pro, but the new tundra is not for a lot of us. That Hemi though would be awesome to have.

[@chuckwalla2967]

Always surprises me how little the payload capacities are on these full size trucks.

[@james2042]

Well it is a "half ton" which means its supposed to have half a ton of payload. Both these trucks specifically have coil rear as well. Your average non luxury half ton has 1500-2000lbs of payload, which is 3/4th ton to 1 ton of payload. When that naming convention came out, there were only 1 row/2 door trucks, and they could at max carry about half a ton of stuff. The fact that 1 ton srw trucks can have 4900lbs of payload now is absolutely nuts, before you needed something like a cab-chassis with 8 leaf suspension.

[@ryanbray7812]

Yeah... They are 1/2 ton trucks dude. Heavy springs would make for a terrible ride. Adding airbags ($150) adds a lot more payload capability.

[@bronzin1445]

They’re called half-tons for a reason. The fact these trucks have a payload of 2000lbs is honestly impressive. Modern 1 tons can have a payload of nearly 8000lbs which is beyond ridiculous.

[@freedomliberty7611]

Payload in a Ranger or Maverick can be more

[@UvidCo]

@@ryanbray7812 airbags don't add to payload it just levels payload.

[@Akademik99]

I was a big chevy guy, but i decided to buy a Ram. I love my 2020 Ram truck. They really hit it out of the park.

[@eliteaviators]

I’m a Toyota guy, I’ve owned several of them. They failed with this one. All that time doing RND for what. Gain a couple MPG……lame. Slap a 10 speed on that old trusty V8 and you would’ve probably got the same MPG.

[@jeffw6894]

It's because the iForce won't pass emissions in 2023 without a complete redesign. It sucks but CAFE killed the V8.

[@jordanbrooks9445]

Im also a Toyota guy, I have a 2021 Tacoma SR5 and love it. I've seen nothing but complaints about the new tundra. If I was getting a tundra I'd definitely get the 2020-2021

[@c.r.rg9529]

After my initial break in of the engine. My 23 tundra sr 4x4 crewmax is getting 24mpg. So I can't complain. Just took a trip to Texas and back to Ohio. 1000 miles each way of mixed driving. 23.4mpg. I am happy with that. That was running 75/80 mph.

[@larryrucker]

On my 2020 Ram, 5.7 Hemi, my winter fuel economy is much worse than summer. I am talking as much as 5 MPG with some brands of gasoline. I believe it is due to winter blend fuel having a much greater alcohol content. I average about 20mpg in the summer, and usually about 16.5 in cold weather season. Not great, but way better than my 06Silverado with 6.0 engine (about 13 mpg).

[@smokeysmith1282]

Pleasantly shocked at the love for the Ram over the Tundra’s. Great Job Ram!!

[@coryernewein]

Great video as usual guys! I don't understand why everyone thinks a hard working, high compression engine moving a 5,000+lbs vehicle will be more efficient than a lazy, underworked V8? If the power outputs are similar and working conditions are about equal the V8 will outperform the TTV6. I've thrown turbos on a couple cars and increased fuel mileage but only because the engine suddenly had 100 more hp than stock and the weight difference was negligible, as soon as I stomped the skinny pedal all my savings would vanish though LMAO Imagine if that ram had a closer rear end ratio and a 10spd transmission🤤

[@danbutler4314]

The problem with this thinking is you are treating an engine like it is an athlete. Engines don't have feelings. The engine doesn't know how hard it is working, in the sense that you make it seem. Input is x, output is y. If it is designed better, with higher quality parts, quality control etc. the number of cylinders is really quite irrelevant. You are correct when you stomp a turbo it eats gas, but so does the V8. Case in point compare the old Toyota Tundra to the Ram. The fuel economy was horrendous. The number of cylinders are irrelevant. The technology is. Saving gas has nothing to do with the extra HP. I would think for someone who has thrown turbos on cars, you would know some theory behind forced induction. By your theory, a high powered race car would sip gas when not racing. This is not the case. The transmission also has a massive role to play...gearing...

[@coryernewein]

Lighter power to weight ratio means nothing to you? We put a 318 into a Dakota and it was a fuel miser compared to when it was in grandmas 5th Avenue. Sorry to hurt your feelings but reality doesn't always line up with what we want to believe sir. Be well and have fun out there fella🤙

[@codybrackett812]

@@danbutler4314 race car getting good gas mileage seems odd to you? Look at the TPI 5.7 corvette. From what 86 up ish.. they got 20mpg plus

[@mt-uy3gw]

A big reason modern V8s have better efficiency is because Ford, GM, and Ram have all added some version of cylinder deactivation. Which is a real shame frankly, since it kills the longevity of the engine. With the V8s you have a choice: delete cylinder deactivation at the cost of mpg, or keep cylinder deactivation to the risk of your cams/lifers.

[@ericneal1872]

Just the sound difference alone during the donuts make the Ram the clear choice for me. Other than that, exterior - Ram, interior - Ram, ride - Ram, fuel economy - tie. I'm basing my interior vote from more than just this video, since the Ram has an upgraded interior over the Tundra, here. Keeping it fair. I think Ram, in general, has the best interiors of all trucks, personally.

[@tragicallyunhip5553]

Personally, I think the Ram has the worst interior. Different strokes!

[@danbutler4314]

and that sound will cost you 10s of thousand of dollars in faster depreciation.

[@fredwilliams7893]

We toyota owners get so much hate for continusly saying our vehicles are realible. Yet the inly thing ram owners continusly seem to say is they have better interiors! Lmao! Like that more important than reliability and resale value? Really. Guys? SMH!

[@ericneal1872]

@@fredwilliams7893 I've had 6 Ram trucks and never had a reliability issue with any of them. I've had two Toyota trucks and can pretty much promise I'll never own another. I "live" and work in the interior of my truck every day. So yes, "really", the interior is important. I had a Toyota that would nearly cripple me on long rides. I didn't keep it long. Oh and guess what, it had a mechanical issue, which was the last straw that sent it bye-bye. Thank goodness for good little Toyota fan boys like you that are willing to grossly overpay for the mediocre and snapped it up. LMAO

[@coryernewein]

All they needed was a 10spd behind the old 5.7, I average between 11-13L/100km on the old 6spd with the V8. No way in the world more gears would have made it less economical, swing and a miss for ole Yota on this new Tundra😪

[@mikefoehr235]

Last year on my Long trip to camp I saw 12.4 to 13.5 L/100. I think that is not terrible.

[@coryernewein]

For the reliability and peace of mind I can afford to lose a couple L/100Km for sure😎

[@KT-go2fw]

agreed that and a refreshed interior look + infotainment system was all it needed 😎

[@eliteaviators]

Agree. Massive failure on ole Yota balls

[@danbutler4314]

I'm curious, as someone who will defend Toyota vs Ram to the grave, what speed this was, if there was much downhill, do you have a 4x4? etc... I find it really difficult to believe. I test drove a 2021 and did some loops with zero traffic total about 35km at 90km an hour, almost totally flat road and didn't achieve that. Was literally testing the best fuel economy possible, which in my current truck and every other vehicle I have ever owned is somewhere between 80 and 100km/h

[@HawkrulzOfficial]

I’m currently looking to trade my current vehicle and you guys have definitely sold me on the Ram. I personally prefer the Rebel without the GT package as I’m not too keen having the e-torque system that has that god-awful start/stop feature that would have problems in the future. Sadly, a lot of Ram dealers are selling them with quick order packages that don’t have any of the options I’m looking for.

[@danbutler4314]

You will regret it in the long run. I'd advise you to look up history of recalls and TSB's on RAMS vs Tundras....

[@carytown6634]

@@danbutler4314 look again new tundras are having turbo failure first few thousand miles.

[@fitsector4271]

If fuel economy is that close between both Setups, then, there is no reason for going with the V6 with a whistle. V8 on the Ram is easier to repair and for sure more reliable since runs at lower compression and has less components to fail.

[@danbutler4314]

How is v8 easier to repair? From that perspective, a V8 has more added parts than a V6. Turbo is simple and easy to work on, internal engine parts are not. Toyota will double the life of that Ram, although I admit the hemi is long lived, it has had issues with oil starvation in recent iterations. Toyota also stands by their product when you have problems. They care about their reliability image.

[@terrynichol577]

One of the dumbest comments I've seen. Toyota.stamd by their reliability. Do you think there going to risk that image?

[@tragicallyunhip5553]

Ram and reliable just don’t go together.

[@bendino9016]

@@danbutler4314 push rod design vs dual overhead cam... night and day. v8 is easier to repair lol.

[@terrynichol577]

@@tragicallyunhip5553 Ram is probably the most unreliable truck out there LOL.

[@travisp11]

I hate to bug you guys again but your merch must only be for Canadian residents. When I click on your merch link all that I get is a list of your videos.

[@TruckKing]

Thanks, we'll look into that - trust us we do want you buy.

[@travisp11]

@@TruckKing Thank you!

[@dalephillips8250]

Which one would I pick? I would pick the Ram because I'm a V-8 guy till the end. And this is coming from a proud owner of a 2020 Tundra TRD PRO which I love and will not get rid of. Toyota made a mistake in getting rid of that marvelous 5.7 Iforce V8

[@chrissands9123]

I agree. I owned Tundras for the last 14 years and they have been great. My next truck may not have a Toyota badge but it will have a V8. The vehicles that I drive for work have twin turbos in them and they are awful and I will not buy one.

[@danbutler4314]

@@chrissands9123 Fords? Very, very well known to be problematic with the twin turbos...don't let that stop you from loving the new Tundra. After a Tundra, you will be sadly disappointed with anything else, over time.

[@dalephillips8250]

@@Pantelifts10 Smart decision.

[@davidmckibbin4440]

@@danbutler4314 what makes you think it will be any better, off to a bad start so far.

[@danbutler4314]

@@davidmckibbin4440 Historically, unequivocally better engineering and quality control

[@DRCrimeCircle]

Am amazed by that 5.7 hemi v8

[@denisbrisebois7658]

Considering that they are that close fuel ⛽️ consumption wise, “IF” I would be in the market today to get into a brand new 2022 truck, I would trade in my RAM for …. well another RAM truck. Thanks for yet another great video Truck King 👑. A+++

[@erickonassis6310]

I love how your knees touch together

[@korn111685]

I want to choose Toyota, but I would choose Ram 100%. Interior, style and v8 I would take over Toyota Tundra. Toyota should hire the engineers responsible for Ram.

[@danbutler4314]

I think the opposite. Toyota should hire the artists/designers for RAM, and RAM should hire Toyota engineers (or change their whole entire manufacturing and quality philosophy, but good luck as a European conglomerate).

[@northerntoyota7584]

The Ram definitely has a nice interior but it was over $30,000 more than the tundra so there’s that……. As far as quality goes, no half way intelligent person can argue in favour of Ram there

[@dudeman5788]

@@northerntoyota7584 Toyota QDR is horrendous on the 22 Tundra. The forums and internet are full of nightmare experiences from owners.

[@stefanovichmichael9686]

@@dudeman5788 B. S.

[@DSwagification]

@@dudeman5788 what's QDR?

[@carterbishop2935]

Bought a used 21 RAM Laramie with hemi in June 2022. Could not be happier with my choice.

[@jasonfalk7696]

When the new Tundra came out, I thought it was ugly. To the point, that GM should've paid Toyota for removing the ugliest truck award from the Silverado. After seeing one in person, it's even worse. It's unfortunate, because I liked the last gen Tundra.

[@blakehorne4333]

Yeah this update indeed looks pretty hideous compared to the last gen. Doesn't look as robust as a truck should look imo

[@diningroomfish5470]

Ram, all day, I have 05 Ram 4.7 love it big time, mine is not fast, but I really like the way it drives and handles

[@evfuture6643]

I want to say I like the Tundra but there have been a lot of issues with this new Gen. So I will go with the Ram.

[@julioviloria3289]

@@getpurealoha Waste gate power loss issue, doesn't matter if it's a "supplier" fault, Toyota chose them so that's no excuse.

[@evfuture6643]

@@getpurealoha kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXSYgoB7ra6DhKs

[@evfuture6643]

@@getpurealoha kzbin.info/www/bejne/n4Kug4x4btuXrZI

[@duramaxklem1491]

Thanks for showing what people want to see! The interior is besides the point everybody has different opinions. I like the red back glow on GMC and some people like the green on the Chevy.

[@KM1662]

that's just exactly the mileage my RAM 5.7 V8 gets. nicely done

[@dross1492]

Having twin turbos is a negative game changer for long-term value? What’s the Toyota warranty on the engine? I believe the Ram gives 60,000 miles? What’s a turbo replacement cost? Could be $10K plus?

[@MrBobaby]

Toyota is 60,000

[@michaelschwab9563]

RAM is a Complete POS.

[@StephenWillcox]

Every comparison I have seen by TFL, Tim truck guy, etc show the Tundra getting considerably better fuel economy. Especially in towing situations. The truck to beat it in fuel economy is the Duramax by GM.

[@billjamison2877]

You're doing a great job as usual! Bill from Linglestown, Pennsylvania

[@ronsteitz4535]

Did you know Toyota felt guilty on having a V6 option only. So what did they do🤔. They pipe in V8 sound Thu the stereo thinking they’re going to fool their loyal V8 owners🤨

[@edgart49]

The front end looks like hulk hogan

[@rodjbosch]

On so many levels the Tundra should be considered a failure....so long to design a truck yet fail to deliver a truck that is anything but average, or less than average. Don't care about the V6/V8 thing. My Ecobooosts have been way more reliable than my last 6.2L V8....with better mpg and not running premium. In the end Toyota definitely didn't do enough....mpg,tow hooks,no steps for box,nav issues,lighting issues..... No idea what Toyota dealer here wants for the Tundra but the few they have aren't moving....

[@mjuberian]

The new Tundra is a major major disappointment. Will consider an F150 next time around.

[@matthewclarkson16]

Even with the twin turbos, the Toyota engine is going to last a lot longer than a Chrysler/ Fiat engine. If you dont believe me look at the resale between the two brands. Sure the V8 sounds great, but its outdated tech for most use scenarios. I have a '23 Tundra and it smokes V8 trucks on the highway.

[@kerryrwac]

I'd be interested to know what Toyota said about the start stop not working, and the low battery message.

[@jeffforbes70]

toyota reliblity

[@bigbill2444]

My 2022 Ram Big Horn V6 gets an average of over 21mpg. That's combined city/freeway travel. I may be a little lighter on the throttle than most people, which may account for the higher mpg. But I am surprised that the Toyota matched the Ram. If you weren't driving for fuel economy, I'd wager that the difference would be greater.

[@jamesallen7205]

I'd take the RAM 1500 for its mature looks and it beefy V8 hemi. Toyota should atleast kept its 5.7 v8 as a option.

[@jeffsioson500]

Yes! Like ford they kept the V8! Least you have more options.

[@jeffw6894]

CAFE standards killing the V8, Dodge dropping the Hemi for their Hurricane I6tt in the next few years.

[@dankruger2890]

Just bought a 22' ram 5.7 Etorque Big Horn and it get a solid 18 to 19mpg combined. I really do like the V8 and comfort of ride

[@jasonkuetemann2406]

I get similar fuel mileage in my new 2022 Tundra as you guys did. I really like the Toyota but did notice the auto stop-start has yet to actually operate. The message is usually either battery charging or climate control. Not that it is a feature that I actually like, just interesting it never engaged for you either.

[@Andreshponton]

They may not have the chip on it.

[@dougreed736]

Do you have any regrets on the tundra purchase?. I'm leaning towards an f150 after watching all the real world reviews on the tundra

[@jasonkuetemann2406]

@@dougreed736 No regrets. I have no point of comparison since this is my first truck. I have been using Toyota vehicles for years and have been happy so I just stayed with them. I did consider Dodge Ram and Ford F-150, but never got serious.

[@dougreed736]

@@jasonkuetemann2406 thanks

[@Al-nj6ww]

@@dougreed736 As an owner of a 21 f150 3.5 EB I wouldn't recommend the F-150, simply because their 10 speed transmission sucks.

[@matthewbeadle8680]

Toyota's engineering and manufacturing standards alone make the differance.

[@advancedscarecrow]

Nice review. I’m glad I went with an f150 ,in my own opinion I think the f150 is better than both these trucks.

[@Rooster_king]

Except for the grade-school inspired interior

[@nerdnec]

Ford has always had bad engines

[@stefanovichmichael9686]

If you think Ford builds better than Toyota, then you need to do your research.

[@carloshernandez-nk3zv]

Who dares to compare a Ram with a Tundra? Rams are nice trucks but ready to break down after a few thousand miles!

[@getlosttoday4045]

V8 for the long gevity of the truck! So much more to go wrong on the twin turbo.

[@Tsitris46]

Geez, when did a 50k truck start being called “affordable”, holy shit!

[@garystritt5750]

Love the content as always. I would love to see these trucks in a MPG towing test. I don’t think the tundra would hold up the same mpg as the V8, and not just the etorque, but any of the v8’s

[@fernandorojas3368]

Put in those trucks 1 ton 4 people and driving out road and check the capacity and power 😎🔥

[@georgecampbell2279]

I love Toyota's, but I'd buy the Ram.

[@equalizer2233]

Stop/Start on tundra only activates when brake pedal is pushed harder than normal when coming to a stop. Its talked about on the consumer reports video

[@hillbillysportsman5818]

I’m a Toyota fan. I currently own a tundra an I’m Not a fan of the new TT-V6 tundra. This just shows that a traditional V8 will do just as good as a complicated twin turbo V6…..no new Tundra for me.

[@Rooster_king]

I'm a Toyota fanboy but I feel the same way. Toyota should've kept the v8 and modernized the efficiency like the other brands. I'll be interested to see how the consumers decide to buy in 2022.

[@bobby3944]

Same for me too.

[@danhjelholt5262]

Tundra in person is so nice.

[@peiguy1982]

Only purpose for the V6 turbos are the cleaner smog emissions, less nitrogen oxides when the turbo reburns the gases. Zero difference in carbon produced. The Hemi is getting phased out for the straight six soon, will not make the emissions cut.

[@gabrielback5615]

???, Turbos don't reburn anything,

[@peiguy1982]

@@gabrielback5615 Oh the turbo turbines don't spin from unburnt exhaust fumes from the engine? You must be a mechanical engineer are you? Lol. Where did you think all the heat came from in a Turbo? They glow red and the intake side needs to be intercooled. My jesus I should just not comment on KZbin at all. The audience......does an airplane turbine burn fuel bud?

[@kyleflemming9182]

The Turbos do not “Reburn” any fuel - the fuel is spent - the exhaust fumes that come from the motor spool up the Turbos before exiting through the exhaust. The turbos become red hot from the heat they produce and the exhaust being pushed through them.

[@ALMX5DP]

@@kyleflemming9182 agreed, not sure what OP is referring to. EGR may assist in reburning some unburnt particulate, but I bet both trucks have such systems. Turbos just utilize spent exhaust gases to spin a compressor wheel, which otherwise wasted in a naturally aspirated engine.

[@gabrielback5615]

@@peiguy1982 You'd be well served to educate yourself on a subject before commenting, you wouldn't look so foolish. Or maybe take your own advice and not comment.

[@AB-coyote]

You guys talked about rams 3.92 rear end vs Toyotas 3.31 but you forgot to mention that the Toyota having 10 speeds more than makes up for the ram having a lower final drive. It’s simply not needed when they can gear the transmission accordingly.

[@davidmckibbin4440]

maybe they didnt

[@billymc2681]

I agree, the new Tundra is slightly disappointing when it comes to mpg in your test. However, there are other KZbinrs that are getting better as well. Makes me feel pretty good that my '15 F150 4x4 SCAB with 2.7 averages around 20 mpg. Of course we don't get snow and extreme cold here in Southeast Texas either.

[@poppyneese1811]

My 17 2.7 F150 averages 20.4, recently, well last week I hypermiled it, best a hillbilly in the mountains of West Virginia can and increased mpg’s to 20,94, but it wasn’t any fun. I am a fan of this engine

[@GaryCriswell]

In this test the Ram was a hybrid so not really the same. They brought up the tires as well so who knows. Also I think the longer you drive the truck and break it in the gas will get better.

[@nerdnec]

@@poppyneese1811 that's worse than the chevy 5.3

[@infernoking7504]

The ram looks the best I am a ford fan I have a 1992 f250 4x4 diesel shortbed I have built with a 4bd1t engine and 5 speed manual 3:55 gears all around straight axle all around coils up front leaf springs in the rear single cab interior has been fully sound deatened no rattles. I can tow as much as those trucks not as fast but I can tow truck empty gets 28mpg because proper gearing and taller tires. Cost me 10k to build the truck fully restored military green so yeah.

[@oldschoolsubie]

It was my experience in the ram that the 3.92 rear is actually a better choice for fuel economy. In my specific case the 3.55 rear actually cost me nearly 1lp/h in daily driving. The dealer sighted that cylinder deactivation was able to activate sooner with the 3.92 rear. At speeds over 105kp/h the 3.55 would be comparable, but here on Vancouver island, that is almost moot

[@jeffforbes70]

i think the dealer is blowing smoke up your a**. 321 gets the best.mpg

[@dannyneal9713]

I have to disagree with you my friend. At least for my particular truck anyways. The 3.92 rear end is AWESOME I can feel it being quicker off the line and towing better than the 3.23s I previously owned before this truck. The power is delivered better with the bigger rear end but the fuel consumption is noticeably less than my previous Ram. I’m also comparing a 3.92 vs 3.23 rear end but that’s my own personal experience with the 3.92. And the deactivation of the cylinders does not happen sooner with the 3.92.

[@oldschoolsubie]

@@jeffforbes70 I should have clarified My examples were with 4x4 models Max speed in my area is 90kph or 55mph My truck wouldn't even access 6th gear until 105kph or 63mph with the 3.55 rear

[@oldschoolsubie]

@@dannyneal9713 I should have clarified My examples were 4x4 models 3.21 isn't available. My truck wouldn't even access higher gears until I was well above legal speed limits in my area

[@jeffforbes70]

@@oldschoolsubie my jeep has 3,43 gears , easy on the gas and it can hit 8th at 50 mph. when i am in 8 th vs 7th mpg goes up 3 mpg. that's my expieance. most people that have deleted cylinder deactivation have claim little to no loss in mpg.no stop start that definately save fuel

[@FrostEternalGaming]

Thank you for the great comparison of gas mileage. The only thing I'd suggest is taking the computer readout add it to the real world numbers and divide for average. Then you have a third stat creating the TK average

[@SRT-ue7kv]

you failed to advise that the mild hybrid has additional 130 Foot lbs through 1st 3 gears so Ram has more than the toyota

[@jesuswillleave9941]

Well I got the 2022 ram v6 etorque and I am truly amazed the best gas saver i ever had 305hp drives like a v8 saves gas like a 4 banger 👌

[@nismomike3182]

Never liked the exterior styling of the current Ram aside from the Rebel. The non-Rebel Rams look like they should be branded as Chrysler.

[@andyham6094]

Totally agree hundred percent. Besides the rebel and trx, the styling of the current rams are so ugly. The ram 1500 classic was the best design. The tundra looks way better.

[@rondail5675]

I like the Rebel also, in black. But I own a Ridgeline Black Edition.