First Tow - Did Toyota Really Improve the New 2022 Tundra By Replacing The V8 With a V6 Twin Turbo?

[@TFLtruck]

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[@induction7895]

Thank you for thinking about our family jewels.

[@authenthuse5165]

Forget manscape, do you have a code to get 20% off a new Tundra?

[@turtletom1829]

I think you should have used the same trailer for both trucks, so it would be a fair test... Semi Disappointed, but I love the video... definitely a like!

[@rotaryperfection]

Since the turbo V6 has a water to air intercooler, you guys should hook up a phone type OBD2 scanner (Blue Driver) that shows LIVE DATA so we can see how hot the intake charge gets during the Ike Gauntlet Tow Test? Water to air intercoolers tend to not be that efficient for continuous loads unless they were able to fit a really large heat exchanger for it. It would be nice to see if what Toyota installed is BIG enough to keep the intake cooler without a front mount intercooler.

[@Skunkgoosefly123]

Sponsored tests are flawed guys c’mon. You know better.

[@tristanhipps604]

Really shady for Toyota to set up this “test” like that. Ripping off the trailer decal and not having the same trailer really discounts anything the “test” finds

[@theblackdragonpr]

Well well find out as soon as the new v6 tundra gets out and these guys get one

[@BelowMeGoggle]

That and giving the new Tundra the more aerodynamic trailer 🤨

[@BlahBlahManYeah]

Also, new Tundra is double cab based on length of rear door we can see, while v8 was much heavier crewmax

[@wildhorses4x4]

👀

[@migwelder2153]

Looks like that v6 turbo isn’t living up to the hype wonder why that sticker was ripped? And why didn’t they use the same trailer. I’ll keep my v8 Toyota I think u messed up

[@shandongubler9733]

The only reason I kept watching this after I found out it wasn't an apples-to-apples comparison, is because I like you guys.

[@WolfKnight21]

Just simply going to take this test with a grain of salt, since Toyota set the test up. Looking forward to see you guys conduct your tests in the future

[@TheAlphapuck5280]

That trailer is a 2018 Gulfstream Innsbruck Superlight. Weighs in at 5,350 lbs with hitch.

[@elvism684]

@@TheAlphapuck5280 My 2013 F150 3.7V6 can tow that.

[@TheAlphapuck5280]

@@elvism684 Did anyone say it couldnt? Its not wise for any manufacture to attach a trailer that is almost at max capacity to test the difference between 2 generations. You put a middle of the road, average trailer on and then let the consumer (who if buying a half ton truck doesn't tow more than 7500 lbs normally) feel the difference. Your statement was a waste of your own time and a waste of my time reiterating how your comment was a waste of time.

[@SniperPilotX]

Let’s also not forget they put the inherently more aerodynamic trailer on the new truck and the boxier trailer on the old truck, and the old boxier trailer just so happens to be missing the sticker. I would have turned around to whoever provided you this setup and said, this isn’t a fair comparison, call us back out when it is.

[@joshwalsh6432]

@@SniperPilotX My thoughts exactly. As soon as I saw that I thought... No point in watching this video.

[@poppaschlong2000]

I want the V8 still. Nothing like the simplicity of a NA V8 over a boosted V6 anyway. Should at least be an option like the F150

[@georgiafan6618]

I rented a ‘20 F150 5.0L 10spd last year. It was very fast - I was taken by surprise, wow. I did test a friend’s eco boost to tow his boat (he let me drive) and back it into water. That engine was very strong down low but he said it got worse mpg overall than V8 (he had a 5.0L prior). He sold the eco boost and drives a Ram 5.7L and loves it.

[@danc1197]

Ford had V6 only for 2 years before they brought back the V8 as an option most likely from customer demand. The '14 and '15 model year F150 only had V6. Toyota will probably follow.

[@flyer8493]

@@danc1197 Ford never stopped selling the v8. My in-laws had a 14 5.0. And they did still have it for 15.

[@vincentharmon7866]

I have the 2022 1794 and love it!

[@TechTimeWithEric]

I'm not blaming you guys because the test was setup by Toyota, but that is not an apples to apples comparison. Why not just hook the same trailer to both trucks? That would be a perfect time to show off the hitch cam? You have an Airstream that is designed for aerodynamics and a different trailer which is has the aerodynamics of a desk

[@jorangel87]

I’m guessing Nathan and the other guy are paid actors by Toyota what a shame they could have easily hooked up the same trailer smh they’re in on the scam and probably are getting paid for every sale of the new tundras

[@jorangel87]

Plus they are using the lighter quad cab tundra which weighs a lot less than the crew cab version smh 🤦‍♂️

[@TechTimeWithEric]

@@jorangel87 I didn't even notice that.

[@calisthenicsforlife177]

@@jorangel87 dude that had no choice, Toyota literally set it up. As soon as they get their hands on one they will do apples to apples

[@travisb9130]

@@jorangel87 did you not see the other campers with more Toyota tundras? Clearly they have multiple media outlets using these trucks. They don't have time to only have one trailer for both trucks and swap them around and then risk that somebody doesn't hook something up right and cause an accident.

[@ConcoursOne]

An air stream trailer of equal weight will always be 10-15% more fuel efficient . It would only be a fair comparison if both trucks towed both trailers (switch trailers)over the same distances under exact same conditions.

[@n2cycles]

I'm saying this before watching the video. My thought is an Airstream (according to owners) cuts through the wind better than the box shaped trailers.

[@chuckersw]

Can confirm, I have owned both types

[@chuckersw]

Airstream also has independent, dampened suspension.

[@gkny4045]

They are trying to convince people that it will be fine for towing. It’s fairly disingenuous. Not too many experienced towing people are going to deal with a turbo, no less two.

[@RyanSpencerPlus]

Surface area affects aerodynamics and those aluminum siding panels have a lot of surface area. Had one and now have a much larger smooth fiberglass sided trailer. Much better on a wind day. That said the aerodynamics aren’t going to matter much until highways speeds. I would guess the Airstream weighs a bit more. As a Toyota fan though it’s pretty disappointing a major international corporation couldn’t figure out how to use identical trailers for this.

[@1fast10r]

It sure does

[@josephhargrave3769]

I looked up a 255BH on Gulfstream and downloaded the brochure and it shows the following info. 255BH - 29' 1" length - 90" width - 4,880 base weight - 620 hitch weight - 2,879 net carry capacity That's what I've found. I still love the new Tundra and can't wait for some real world testing on the Ike Guantlet!

[@coryernewein]

The Gulf Stream on the old Tundra weighs around 7000lbs plus add ons. Still should have had a sticker on there just for honesty and openness.

[@browndogstt8546]

I bet the wind resistance alone cause about 1/2 a second of deficit between the two.

[@zebracobra328]

Could also be 7000lbs minus whatever was removed from the inside.

[@dillonh321]

@@zebracobra328 Why would they try to make the older one look better? I think that they probably weigh the same but due to wind resistance the older one has an unfair disadvantage.

[@nickloss]

That particular model can weight as little as 6300lbs or as much as 7900lbs, which makes a huge difference in 0-60

[@Enchanted3DPrints]

@@nickloss it weighs 4880 lbs dry Its a 2019 model 255BH

[@stevenewsam1993]

Toyota should continue offer the 5.7 but with the new 10 speed transmission and lower rear axle ratio in addition to the new engines. Simple dependable power and better gas mileage. If you don’t live in the Rockies, it’s hard to justify the complexity and inherent lower engine life of a twin turbocharged, intercooled highly stressed small engine.

[@jaunramirez3742]

I'm glad Ford created the 10 speed automatic transmission

[@sixtomidnight1492]

@@jaunramirez3742 The 10 speed that Ford uses was co-developed between Ford and GM.

[@michaelcyr3068]

From what up seeing I'm glad I purchased a 21 Tundra Pro. I love the truck and in my opinion is all as good as the new one. Maybe a little down on MPGs but the V-8 is much better in my opinion. I saw 19.9 MPG on the new one and if I stay under 65 MPH I am getting 18MPG otherwise I'm getting 16MPG.

[@kirkbrown5346]

@@jaunramirez3742 why.? It's a POS that gets nothing but complaints. I work at a Ford dealer in service. We get transmission issues in daily. The 10R80 is a joke. No pickup truck of any size needs a 10spd transmission, especially a Ford, they can't make anything thats worth a damn anymore, thats why so many techs are leaving. The job security has turned into headache.

[@jaunramirez3742]

@@kirkbrown5346 I bet I'm glad I got a 2004 f150 4.6l v8 very reliable comparing to the newer trucks.

[@patriley9449]

Who rips off the weight sticker? I have had a number of trailers over the past 40 years and have been around hundreds of other trailers during that time and have never seen a sticker scraped off. Very questionable ? Having said that it seems lie the new truck posts better times than the old. The big question is whether the new motor will last as long as the V8.

[@scottyellis3442]

I personally don't think that turbo charged V6 or any other will ever out last a naturally aspirated V8.

[@arendbehrens2761]

Turbo v6 versus v8! That’s a no brainer! V8, simpler, doesn’t work as hard!

[@nmtaco8645]

@@arendbehrens2761 exactly! That axle ratio is going to be a pain in the butt...just like the Tacoma...they slapped 6 gears on the 3.5L and the gear ratio is not compatible...it wont hold gears if you have any extra weight or a small hill or wind. She didnt know what gear she needed to be in. The engine is screamin at the high rpms. So fuel economy still sucks...sooo they are going to put 10 in a Tundra with the 3.5L twin turbo...it will probably never access those gears and it will probably be a gear hunter too..i regeared and tuned the engine on my Tacoma..she actually gets better mileage and the engine doesnt scream as she downshifts etc while going up hills and the important thing...she holds the gear. That screen is incredibly large...like the grille lol...i want to see these guys take it up into the mountains. Toyota is NOT wanting to give out important info which is bizarre...this has to be the longest rollout of a new vehicle. If they were proud of its performance...they would have no issues with letting people take it up hills fully loaded and they definitely wouldnt be ripping weight stickers of a trailer...good grief...

[@lcq2102]

You would know then that GVWR does not equal the trailer weight, just the maximum capacity of the trailer. We don’t know what any of these trailers weigh even if it had an intact sticker.

[@angelgjr1999]

Turbo engines never last as long as NA V8s.

[@turdferguson2839]

The more I see the less I'm impressed, there's nothing special or impressive about the new Tundra. Toyota tearing off the trailer weight sticker is very unprofessional and also dangerous, whenever you tow a trailer you need to know how much it weighs.

[@aaronaread13]

Agree 100%. Everyone seems to forget. Mike S. said game changer.... really? Less MPG, Payload and Towing than that of a 2018 F150... disappointing to say the least

[@oldaxehead655]

What does it need to do to impress you? it's got more power, much better gas mileage, a better interior and exterior, and a higher towing capacity. Did they not deliver on everything everyone wanted? I mean it checked all the boxes across the board... Toyota didn't put this together as a test for collecting official data, don't be an idiot.

[@jerad4336]

I would prefer 5.7 liter v8 with 10 speed transmission.

[@coryernewein]

That's what I've been saying forever. Forget small displacement and forced induction. If anything force more air into the big engine to increase it's efficiency. As we all learned with Ford and their engines...either Eco or Boost but not both. I would gladly take the plain Jane v8 for reliability and peace of mind alone.

[@nm-qt2hb]

@@coryernewein The Eco Boost has proven to be as reliable as the V8.

[@coryernewein]

@@nm-qt2hb awesome, can you point me towards the vidjéo of the million mile original ecoboost.

[@scanalyst492]

Disagree! In 2017 I needed a truck to tow a travel trailer. I bought the truck first. Being a loyal Toyota fan I was ready to buy a Tundra but my son convinced me to at least look at a Ford F-150 Eco Boost. I test drove the Tundra first and then the Ford. The Ford was clearly more modern, comfortable and capable so I took a chance and bought the Ford. The Ford is now four years old with 48,000 miles on it with 10,000 miles towing a 2019 Lance 1685 trailer that weighs 5,500 pounds fully loaded. The 3.5 twin turbo has proven to be powerful, reliable and very fuel efficient. When towing I get 14 mpg on level ground at 55 mph. When not towing I get between 22 to 27 mpg on the highway (partly because I drive like an old man because I am an old man). I also own a 2007 Toyota FJ Cruiser that might last forever. If I were to buy a truck today it would be hard to choose between the Ford and Toyota but I would definitely prefer a small twin turbo over a large non-turbo V8.

[@mouaxiong8618]

The v8 is a dinosaur! They were extinct for a reason.

[@mikecorleone5911]

i prefer the V8, usually force induction vehicles dont last as long as N/A

[@kurtisblumke562]

I’ll keep my V8 Tundra!

[@Pantelifts10]

Yeah same but really we don't know if the V6 is better or not till is out for a few years.

[@ALLw3rk]

V6 only belongs in a single cab 2wd base model. I don’t care if it has 2 turbos (the impending issues!) it just feels like it’s trying to compensate

[@wiisad]

I'm definitely keeping my 2018 SR5 4x4 Crewmax. I feel like there will be some buyers remorse in the months to come.

[@TrentM]

If they’ve torn the trailer sticker off for the older gem truck that automatically tells me that they’re staging it to look worse than the new one. That takes all the validity out of the tests.

[@nezhara5531]

Wish they would have kept the V8 and mated it to the 10 speed to see if the new transition and aerodynamics would have an impact on fuel economy. Could have seen mpg numbers more in line with the Nissan V and Fords V8. It also might have given Toyota a cheaper engine option before needing to go to the 3.5

[@natehawkins2910]

Problem wasn’t just mpgs. It was EPA. This new era of gassers in trucks now need direct and multi port injection to cut particulate emissions, as well as 4 ...yes 4 catalytic converters. Also needed are EGR coolers (21 F150s have theirs right up front on passenger side where you can see and access it) ...that’s to reduce NOX and other gasses. CO2 is now looked at as the enemy as well...So, in a nutshell, the v8 in its current form would be nothing short of, well, nothing like it was-to meet all the new EPA requirements for gas engines. So they couldn’t just throw one in hooked to a 10-spd and call it a day.

[@lapamful]

@@natehawkins2910 It's sad what they're doing to the motor industry. Essentially, big gov bureaucrats want us out of our own vehicles entirely. So as usual, they're doing it drip by drip. By the 2010s cars were already 99% less wasteful and polluting than cars in the 1960s. That was just pure developments in technology and customers wanting more efficient engines. Now the EPA are imposing their regulations and it's destroying these cars, and there are few improvements over old standards (and certainly no improvements in pollution reduction or environmental damage with EVs). But that didn't make the federal gov (or China) any money, so they stepped in with this environmental crusade.

[@g0g0Sutra]

@Steven Strain i completely agree that the main reason manufacturers are going to smaller turbo engines is for cost savings. In the short term the V6 might be as reliable as the V8 but that smaller engine getting pushed harder by turbos will not last half as long as the V8. The turbos themselves are not likely to last the lifetime of the engine will probably need replacement 200-250k miles costing $5-10k to replace. Add to all of this that when you work smaller turbod engines hard they get worse fuel economy than their similarly powered NA engine. Though it is cheaper for manufacturers to make, I feel we are receiving a far inferior product. There is no such thing as a free lunch.

[@doctorcropse2795]

​@@g0g0Sutraa turbo replacement is 2k

[@doctorcropse2795]

​@@natehawkins2910they could just keep paying the epa fine

[@slocavky]

V8 all the way.... That sound is amazing especially with the TRD exhaust... I am no fan of V6's no matter how much power due to sound alone... Its sad to see the V8 going away...

[@Tankerpaul223]

5.7L is a beast, its just awful on gas. Gas is $5/gal these days in some places.

[@tshearn624]

100 percent agree. V6 with twin turbos can produce more horsepower but the reliability will always be a problem. V8 is made for abuse and work.

[@pem3480]

@@Tankerpaul223 as a truck owner i just accept I'm always paying more at the pump. 1-2 mpg is not going to sell me when we all know ur not going to get that unless ur granny on the peddle.

[@thescoggfather]

That transmission in the v8 I'm Texas hills is just brutal though. Especially when you lift it 6 inches and have 35s.

[@wubaru]

This video actually makes me want an old tundra v8 vs the new v6.

[@wildbill23c]

I'd rather have the V8 and slightly less real world fuel economy than the twin hamster wheel engine in the new one. Its a truck, not an economy car, if you are worried about fuel economy you shouldn't be looking at trucks, you should be looking at a Prius or an electric car LOL.

[@Pantelifts10]

Easy to find them new and used go for it

[@byanymeansnecessary9329]

@@wildbill23c your post is stupid, fuel efficiency is more important in a larger less efficient vehicle.

[@wildbill23c]

@@byanymeansnecessary9329 You have 100% no clue. If you are buying a full size truck for fuel efficiency you have rocks for brains. They're built to tow/haul, not be your mall crawler soccer mom van.

[@byanymeansnecessary9329]

@@wildbill23c a 10% increase in fuel efficiency for a truck is a lot more fuel than a 10% increase in fuel efficiency for a small car. Fuel efficiency is extremely important for trucks, ask long haul truckers. Of course everything else is important too, but all else being equal fuel efficiency should win out. A twin turbo v6 can be just as reliable and powerful as a n/a v8. There is a reason why long haul trucks mostly run turbo diesels. I'm not comparing a truck to a corolla, im comparing it to other trucks. Wouldn't you want your truck to get 30% better fuel efficiency?

[@andrewdaniels1352]

I have a 2010 5.7 tundra best truck I have ever owned 230000 miles no big issues. I will purchase another Tundra one day hope the new engines have the same reliability only time will tell.

[@percivalgooglyeyes6178]

Not only is it pretty sneaky to have a different trailer and "torn" weight sticker, they also used the heavier CrewMax for the old and the lighter DoubleCab for the new. Shame on you Toyota. I would expect dishonesty like that from GM, but not Toyota.

[@putmeincoach7663]

Not just that but the older Crewmax is also 4wd and the new one is 2wd.

[@percivalgooglyeyes6178]

@@putmeincoach7663 Good catch! Ad that to the list of blatant dishonesty by Toyota.

[@putmeincoach7663]

@@percivalgooglyeyes6178 This entire test was completely skewed purposely by Toyota. This video should not even be on the internet other than to highlight the deceptive practices of Toyota.

[@jorangel87]

Exactly

[@jorangel87]

@@putmeincoach7663 it’s like comparing tow numbers with a 2wd single cam ram rated at 12,750 vs a crew cab ram 4x4 rated at 8,000 lol what a shame Toyota.

[@Jeeper_Creeper03]

Should always keep the V8 as an option. Give the customers what they want. Not the lobbyist.

[@b22chris]

Based on this being rigged by Toyota I’m guessing the old V8 out performs the V6. If the new truck was better they would have had the same trailer.

[@markparent7999]

This..they probably ran the test with the old one and it did very well so they are like..shoot we need to change some factors here...

[@putmeincoach7663]

They also would've had somewhat comparably configured trucks. Not a Crewmax 1794 4wd versus (current) a Limited Double Cab 2wd (new). This whole thing is deceptive af by Toyota.

[@mikedoyle7020]

Doubtful. The 3.5 Ecoboost tows much better than the 5.0 V8. The torque curves are drastically different. The 4 extra gears help as well.

[@b22chris]

@@mikedoyle7020 here’s the facts: The V8 is a heavier truck as it’s the full 4 door and fully loaded. The V8 was pulling a trailer that is a lot less aerodynamic. The V8 was only slightly slower. We don’t know the weight of the trailer the V8 pulled. This was all set up by Toyota who has a HUGE marketing and PR budget and is very aware of everything they do. Knowing these facts I believe the V8 would pull that airstream tied with the V6 or around the same numbers.

[@unconventionalideas5683]

Ike Gauntlet tests showed that the new Tundra is better.

[@redgiekeller868]

I love my 2020 Toyota tundra, it pulls my 2021 keystone cougar that weighs 6400 pounds just fine . The fuel mileage is not great pulling it but that's expected the truck is quiet and solid and very comfortable .

[@Yogangster1995]

You know, it's not so much that I'm upset that they are moving on to a twin turbo V6, but more so the fact that Toyota has taken away the V8 option and forcing anyone who wants a next gen tundra to have the V6. Ford did it right by still offering the V8 after they introduced their v6. All full sized truck manufacturers offer a V8 variant, and Toyota made the mistake of being the first in not offering one.

[@putmeincoach7663]

Spot on. The largest automobile manufacturer in the world couldn't offer a V8 option? Looks like my next truck will be an F-250 with the simplified 7.3L godzilla V8.

[@chrisvids1820]

I think its a matter of manufacturing efficiency. Ford sold 7x F series trucks than Tundra. I know what you mean though, we want what we want.

[@Yogangster1995]

@@chrisvids1820 I agree that it's likely that. But even so, they could at least offer it for the first two years and informing consumers that the v8 would be discontinued so those who would want it could have one last opportunity to do so.

[@cwqrpportable]

Exactly....... I agree 100%. Toyota tells you what you want and what you like, Ford listens and builds a truck real truck drivers want.

[@businessninja1913]

@@chrisvids1820 there’s also the fact that Toyota isn’t as competitive as the other brands, which is a shame really.

[@vitaly6312]

You know? A lot of people won’t really care that it’s a TT v6 versus a v8, but will care about fuel mileage, tow rating, comfort, looks, tech. Still, this test does absolutely nothing, matter of fact it decreases Toyota credibility for them to not have an apples to apples approach to this and ripping the sticker off. As someone who currently drives a Toyota truck (which is my 3rd Toyota) and comes from a Toyota family I’m beyond disappointed as to how Toyota has handled the launch of the new tundra - between these stupid glimpses, these stupid tests, hiding information from the public. It’s just not a good look at all. I’m not sure I’ll be upgrading to the new tundra at this point.

[@martinlebreton6391]

I want a v8 truck. turbos are for diesels.

[@freedomrider266]

So you want less hp, less torque, and worse fuel economy? Sure, makes sense...

[@martinlebreton6391]

@@freedomrider266 turbo v6 only do better on paper. in the real world of trucks the v8 is king and will achieve twice the reliability at half the repair cost

[@gaffle-411]

“Hiding information from the public”… 🤔 hmmmm, what other group(s) are doing that same thing especially as it pertains to the big \/…

[@benjaminreed4781]

I’ve yet to be convinced the 2022 will actually be an upgrade. Twin turbos on a V-6 makes me nervous (I drive a commercial truck for a living and turbos are not an uncommon or inexpensive part to replace). All the fancy computer gimmicks will be outdated and obsolete before the truck is even a year old. I’m just going to keep driving my 2000 Tundra with its “ancient” 4.7L V-8 and four speed automatic. 215,000 miles and counting. Why mess with what works?

[@marlonm396]

Ashamed on you Toyota for designing a rigged and biased test scenario. What are they hiding?

[@herewegoagain7403]

This isn’t new. It’s all manufacturer demo. That’s why u take it with a grain of salt coming to these events

[@shawnphillips8514]

This channel’s choice of background music is legit. That is all! 😃 Love the test between the 2 generations. Keep up the good work!

[@ravenreader4772]

I would choose the new truck with the old V8 and new 10 speed transmission. If it was available.

[@wildbill23c]

I would as well. I didn't have any engine issues or transmission issues with my 08 5.7L Tundra, just front differential issues with the bearings failing, as well as rear axle bearing failures...twice....covered under warranty....truck rated to tow 10k, couldn't handle towing a 3500 pound ATV trailer/UTV and gear...wasn't impressed with the quality of the build on the 2nd gen Tundras...I actually prefer my grandfather's 1st gen Tundra. My 08 Tundra I sold at 104k about 4 years ago, the 05 Tundra of my grandfather's is still sitting here...had to have the AC repaired in it earlier this year due to a failed AC compressor, but otherwise no mechanical issues, timing belt has been done in it recently as well....last I looked it was at 161k on it.

[@XibeastmasteriX]

All day. Less stuff to go wrong. I want a toyota for reliability not max power

[@COMMANDERFOX31]

Our 2012 Tundra 5.7 V8 has almost 250,000 miles on it and still going strong. I highly doubt this V6 twin turbo is going to last nearly half as much as the V8. Bad choice by Toyota, could have saved more MPG with a better transmission instead like they did with the new Camry.

[@allentoyokawa9068]

Umm it is a Toyota is will last; Lexus had turbos for years and have ZERO PROBLEMS

[@lightsfansofthewest481]

@@allentoyokawa9068 This is the first time Toyota has put turbos in a truck.

[@anthem4333]

They should’ve just turbo charged the 5.7, I definitely do not trust the reliability of small V6s in big vehicles, put under more stress by the turbos

[@fordpower8024]

Ass turbo destroys the engine of hell a lot faster better Get a normal engine without turbo it’ll last a whole lot longer

[@Heffelz8]

Ford’s been doing this for a few years now. I have a 2016 F-150 with the 2.7. It has 216k miles. Regular scheduled maintenance and oil changes…nothing extravagant.

[@anthem4333]

@@Heffelz8 I think they can be reliable, but this tundra is all new, and I’ll have to wait a few years before I trust the new power train

[@Heffelz8]

@@anthem4333 I guess. I suppose Toyota isn’t known for their phenomenal reliability…or something like that. I think they will be just fine.

[@Toe_Knee_69]

Yeah so instead of 14 mpg, we’ll get 10 mpg

[@JeuJBear]

Well that made even more satisfied with my signature on the dotted line for my 2021 1794.

[@roywall8169]

Shady as hell! They purposely scratched the sticker off.

[@lesterparker1594]

Guarantee it weighs 1500 lbs more than the new one.

[@flight2k5]

It’s a big conspiracy 🤣😂

[@roywall8169]

Having pulled trailers for 30 years, the non air stream is not 1500 lbs heavier. We have no idea what is inside the trailers, or what the total gvrw is. That is the problem. When setting up a comp test, you must be totally transparent. Length and trailer shape are every bit as important to how a trailer tows, as is tongue weight. I have owned 5000 lb trailers that tow like trailers weighing 7000 lb because of shape and balance. It is a horribly designed comp test. I would even call it dishonest, and blatantly so.

[@lmfscrew]

Yeah I bet the old truck would out perform with a 10 speed

[@JakeTheSnakeProductions]

Big power/small displacement is mot the way to go when it comes to endurance work stress.

[@csh000]

Taking those trailers to a CAT scale would have removed all mystery. Trust but verify.

[@tomahawk7259]

Probably in the NDA that they couldn't

[@johnsteele8073]

The weight doesn't even matter unless you're going up a hill... Airstream has way less drag

[@frenchonion4595]

That'd be hilarious if they took it to one while doing the test lol

[@georgiafan6618]

I implied the same thing! Toyota came out to help them so maybe they didn’t want to embarrass Toyota with a weight test and risk losing their support for the channel. It is what it is.

[@brianb-p6586]

@@johnsteele8073 Weight (actually mass) is critical to acceleration.

[@ksbond7287]

7600? That’s if it’s loaded to the hilt. The GVW as it stands is 6300 according to the sticker

[@StormRoxas]

The V8 sound will always be legendary. TT V6 while just as (if not more so) powerful just has too many parts. Something calming about having just an engine with no peripherals

[@davidmckibbin4440]

agree

[@Terror1Void]

Precisely why over the road tractors are all NA and to save them from the dreaded turbo.

[@jpro2222]

yeah that is true. all these excess points of failure.

[@frenchonion4595]

The answer is turbo V8 but don't tell you;re wallet or EPA

[@kellymullins9706]

Kinda strange seeing a tow test pulling 2 different trailers.

[@mav4516]

Well that sticker was something

[@lesterparker1594]

Shady as hell.

[@freedomisntfree_44]

Yeah prolly a gutted trailer

[@845ToastT]

Probably heavier than the other trailer. They didnt want the old model to seem better

[@archive.garage]

The comparison did slightly favor the new Tundra in the truck configs. Old was CrewMax, new was lighter Double Cab

[@tonyvaccarelli7950]

Listen lets cut the shit and just put the whole drive train in a Tacoma and be done already

[@GotronFerret]

I'm still not over it. I require 8 cylinders. Love everything else though.

[@pryme2013]

Wow I've already got a bad feeling about the new Tundra with the different trailers and tag removed from the older trailer. Why not have two identical trailers? Don tell me Toyota couldn't manage that.

[@putmeincoach7663]

They don't even have two remotely close configured trucks. The 2021 is a fully loaded 1794 Crewmax 4wd while the 2022 is a Limited Double Cab 2wd. Did they think this deceptive crap was gonna fly with ppl who have watched videos of the 2022 and currently own 3rd gen Tundras?

[@dash8465]

Pulling an rv with a Tundra.. wind and trailer drag/aerodynamics is far more important than weight. My 2018 pulls my low tandem tilt with a T190 better than it pulls my 4500lb Winnie..

[@enz6312]

Would like to see an Ike Gauntlet test..old vs new...

[@willtaylor4045]

that proves just how good the old truck is.

[@robertrice4441]

I am suspicious of not only the weight of the trailer towed by the older Tundra, but also the aerodynamics of that trailer are not nearly as good as the Airstream trailer. I will be inclined to believe data based on equal trailers. I look forward to that test in the future.

[@kenbundy8576]

I towed my 22 Tundra SR5 to Oregon coast average 11.5 mph then once unhooked went up to 15 mph. Did great no complaints only this I change on mine is getting the crewmax

[@tomahawk7259]

I tried looking up the VIN, all I could find was that this is a 2020 Gulf stream, no idea what the model is since its never been registered. Pretty shady move by Toyota

[@mykelwojcinski]

It’s an Innsbruck but the weight range is very broad.

[@OscarSchneegans]

If you search for the VIN, you come up with a 2020, 29-ft, Gulf Stream Innsbruck. The dry weight on one of those is between 5,120 lb, and 5,664 lb. The Air Stream weighs 7,600 lb. That means the Air Stream is about 2,000 lb heavier.

[@firstlast---]

@@OscarSchneegans Good investigation work. My guess is that the truck heat soaked in the Texas sun, they put a lighter trailer behind it to prevent the times being even. I'm going to take a close look at the intercooler once they start coming in for pdis. They used a different trailer and scraped off the sticker give me a break, you couldn't be more obvious trying to cover that up. So much for world beater

[@DrGreen-wl2ry]

With all the automatic backup and hook up gadgets on the new one, they couldn’t simply have one trailer to make the test real world? the sticker on the old trailer missing is just comical

[@thomassprenkle2967]

I don’t think that the twin turbo V6 will be as reliable as the V8. I’m still old school V8 would be my first pick.

[@wildbill23c]

They were only 1 second faster with the new truck with 2 missing cylinders and turbos which will undoubtedly fail sooner than later especially being called upon continuously to get that heavy beast moving and keep it moving...they really should have left the V8 as an option as Ford has done with the Coyote 5.0L V8 in the F150's. If the mall cruiser crowd wants a lawnmower engine let them buy it, but the rest of us who actually use our trucks for work purposes towing/hauling all the time want the reliability and durability of a V8.

[@GM-sk2wk]

@@wildbill23c only one second faster with a more aerodynamic trailer of unknown weight...

[@jonathanna8420]

“Get ready for my V8 roar!” @ 6:49 I just couldn’t stop😂 Gosh, the way he said that, HA!🤣😂

[@richshaffer985]

While the new engine may have more horsepower and torque, I doubt that it will go 100K miles without costly repairs (particularly the turbo systems). I think ithe new Tundra may also be spending a lot of time in the Toyota Service Department with all its new "bells and whistles".

[@getnbigger29]

What were the truck weights? The new one was the smaller cab vs the old crew max. I'm sure the old one is still faster but you have a maxed out old truck vs a lighter cab version. Even trim for trim you have a lot of weight change - my limited ram vs my laraime gained almost 300lbs in weight. Can't wait to see what you all get with a non manufacturer setup.

[@poobank]

I’m sure they used different campers and removed the sticker by accident…

[@Gus5515]

Took my 2020 tundra with a 22 foot trailer 2 honda talons on it and a 750 lb honda foreman in the bed. Was max for payload but still a few thousand less in towing 800 miles from Florida to hatfield and McCoy trails. Got 8 miles to the gallon and a 3 inch sag but it handle like a dream in the mountains.

[@paulwicklund5044]

I'm sure Airstream appreciates the free commercial from Toyota.

[@heberkapcsos7730]

They probably teamed up 😅🤷🏽‍♂️

[@motodrang4287]

And we all forget that v8 engines can have turbos? What a time to be alive

[@seanbutler2291]

You guys literally just tore that sticker off didn't you? I bet you did. This test is completely invalid without proper weights on RVs they vary highly extremely.

[@jlippard52]

How long will the V6 last compared to the V8 long term towing. I had a 1984 nissan 200sx turbo. Had great power and speed, but had to replace the turbo 4 times.

[@darrylcrider8851]

Interestingly, the Airstream almost definitely weighed more than the stick and tin trailer...probably 1,000 pounds or so....so why remove the sticker? Also, as stated below - that $100k Airstream will always tow much better than a trailer that was less than $30K when new.

[@lyndonhamby7432]

Yeah. Sketchy

[@badnews4569]

When I saw the difference in the two trailers, I quit watching. Not a comparison at all. Just two different trucks pulling two different trailers.

[@trabertgraneau3323]

I’m really impressed with the brand new Tundra, although I’m missing the V8

[@ArtAytay3]

According to an internet search, a Gulfstream Insbruck has a dry weight of 4815, so nearly 2,000 less than the airstream unless they added weight inside the Insbruck camper. So, it seems like this test was stacked against the new model Tundra, but it still out performed the old one. Impressive!

[@strtupg]

Love Toyotas. I own a 2017 SR5 with the TRD package. I do not like the huge hood. What I like about my tundra is the short hood. I also wish they would have offered a revised 5.7L with the hybrid setup.

[@billhagebusch7797]

I had a ‘17 Tundra 1794. I really regret not keeping it. When I looked for a new truck in ‘22, I wanted another 1794 but they were impossible to get and the ‘22 Tundras had too many parts falling off or breaking and, of course, they only had the TT V6. As a result, I bought a Ram 1500 Longhorn Limited with a hemi.

[@the_jarmel]

The older interior just feels warmer .. looks better made

[@DerekThorpe294]

This video highlighted the old one looking super dated and plasticky. New interior is loads better

[@georgioantoine4194]

and a hell of alot more roomin the 2nd gen.

[@quintinsantiago6578]

I watch this channel all the time. And I just recognized you filmed this episode in my hometown. Welcome, come back anytime!

[@9663mu]

Ok is it me or is the 0-60 difference very minimal ?

[@JoeGX460]

Very minimal and also many factors that we don't know. (Trailer weights, type of tires etc...)

[@ElegantPotatoes]

It's a specification that is looked at too often because +90% of the time almost all drivers will not be accelerating flat-out. MPG and capabilities matter more during a test like this. Unfortunately this test isn't even fair - no sticker and different types of trailers with different suspension setups.

[@rorycaracciolo6814]

So they get a heavier and less aerodynamic trailer on the old V8 😂😂 seems pretty evenly matched. The better truck had to tow the harder trailer.

[@sensei2121]

Sold my Raptor because it didnt have the v8. I have always had Ford trucks and got my first TRX and a Chrysler product due to the v8. I think its a mistake for Toyota not to have a v8 option.

[@evanrouse716]

Just for some clarification on the weights of the travel trailers: Airstream (Pulled by New Tundra): 6384 lbs dry Gulfstream (Pulled by Old Tundra): 4880 lbs dry

[@10219266]

personally I think the v8s will make a come back just like before. the twin turbos make nice power but the v8s are much smoother. Its just a different driving experience

[@davidmckibbin4440]

i agree, you dont see ram going this direction

[@georgioantoine4194]

2021 Tundra towing 6500lb hybrid rv with tow mode on sport on gear 5.. no problem. love my tundy

[@fongvang935]

It should be very similar to f150 v6tt depending on rear axle gearing they use. not sure why some people think it will destroy Ford's v6 tt in power and mpg. In a nutshell, Ford has been doing it for a decade now.

[@cpenv]

Ford turbo blows white smokes. The tundra won’t

[@fongvang935]

@@cpenv if you say so

[@davidmckibbin4440]

@@cpenv are you sure about that

[@cpenv]

@@davidmckibbin4440 kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZyuZoGmhapsbaM

[@Gforce000]

The roar of the V8 is awesome

[@jmua8450]

You know screens are getting clownish when an 8” is considered “dated.”

[@Eclipsed_Phoenix]

Yeah at this point they might as well just replace the whole damn windshield with a giant LCD screen. 🙄

[@darkdodger137]

@@Eclipsed_Phoenix Give it time. I'm sure Elon Musk is working on that "feature".

[@morganslifestylevideos3344]

I actually like the bigger screen. Streets on Maps are compressed small.

[@EdwardEimiller]

I thought he was talking about the interface/software.

[@boduke9428]

I felt the same way back in 2010 as Toyota guys do now. Then I went and test drove an EcoBoost and Coyote F150 back to back. I drove the EcoBoost home and haven't looked back since. I still occasionally miss that growl but then I hook a trailer up and press the fast pedal. That growl doesn't make it pull harder or accelerate faster. Plus there is better fuel economy once the new wears off that acceleration.

[@emmalab02]

Weight sticker is also on the inside door of one of the overhead cabinets inside the camper.

[@mykelwojcinski]

I’m sure the door was locked if they checked.

[@charliedalmasso4672]

from a short search i found that : Model of the gulfstream is 255 bh with : Dry Weight 4,880 lbs. Payload Capacity 2,749 lbs. Hitch Weight 620 lbs.

[@johnnymula2305]

That new Tundra is absolutely hideous!

[@Nigel__]

It’s about time someone said it!

[@victorcolin4365]

The new tundra is 13 miles per gallon I have one with 200 miles on it, I haven’t tow anything yet but I am worried, and I don’t like the function that cuts off motor on traffic light…

[@chadd587]

Larger cab in the older Tundra. Im not seeing the advantage of the new model. The difference in performance isnt worth trading up to the new model, if you consider that trading up.

[@AJourneyOfYourSoul]

Why would Toyota make the cabs smaller? Makes no sense, but that is exactly what Toyota did.

[@kevincline9477]

@@AJourneyOfYourSoul watched a bunch of these videos on 2022 tundra last thursday woke up friday morning bought a 2021 i didn’t want change if it means less comfort and reliability the 2022 will have problems 🤗🤗🤗

[@AJourneyOfYourSoul]

@@kevincline9477 the previous tundra is a proven long term truck. You can’t go wrong with that purchase.

[@kevincline9477]

@@AJourneyOfYourSoul i no i traded my 2006 tundra with 135000 miles on it never any trouble and got 12000 trade in hopefully in 15 more years i do same

[@longt61]

“Look ma, no hands!” I guess she must be proud as much as Toyota with their tech. This is definitely my favorite dad joke. Awesome vid as always.

[@boostedpete]

I wish we could have a turbo V8 hybrid with cylinder deactivation. Best of all worlds. Amazing torque, for towing, great mileage for commuting, and all the speed you need to merge comfortably.

[@MightyThunderbolt]

no thanks on cylinder deactivation. Just something else to eat up top end. Ask any chevy owner with AFM.

[@boostedpete]

@@MightyThunderbolt my 15 suburban has 70k on it, never had an issue. I've heard other stories but the newer versions of it have it pretty down pat. Keep up on maintenance and use good quality fluids is the key. The older vortecs with the deactivation I know had a LOT more issues due to loss of lubrication.

[@MightyThunderbolt]

@@boostedpete there's literally a backorder of parts because it's gotten so bad on the newer models

[@boostedpete]

@@MightyThunderbolt I agree, let me clarify, I meant the previous generation is pretty solid, the current GM products are pretty terrible all around, and thats from a Chevy guy. The current generation actually has worse gas mileage dropping more cylinders than the previous when it did only half

[@BURNZ2ACRISP]

They've used the heaviest tundra they have(1784). It's the full crew cab, with all the nicest and heaviest stuff in the cabin. And put it against an extended cab and not so highly trimmed tundra. And those trailers are definitely not going to be the same weight. I'm sure the new one is impressive but not an apples to apples comparison

[@johnnyturbo8460]

"Toyota set this up" YOU GOT THAT RIGHT, and for that, GO POUND SAND TOYOTA! clearly not even TOYOTA stands by their "improvements " They should have done a walk through of both trailers.. would be interesting to see what's inside of each of them. No to mention the old trailer has HORRIBLE aerodynamics and that airstream style has some of the best aerodynamic on the market SHAME ON YOU TOYOTA (AGAIN) Lol that "back up technology " looks to be a complete joke.. that trailer way all over the place

[@cameroneshleman4833]

I miss the old V8 🙁. My dad's Tundra sounds so good 😪

[@terrymilsaps2864]

um...shape and drag coefficient alone between the contoured airstream and the wind sail innsbruck would easily translate to differences in towing characteristics...i have never pulled an airstream but just looking at its design makes it easy to see hwo much less resistance it will cause..i know , wasnt your test...either way your show is great, thanks for making it

[@christopherovard379]

If you want longevity out of your truck, go with the V-8. Turbos usually end up running too hot, and create other issues down the road.

[@jeffreichel2412]

The continuing unanswered towing question on the hybrid is how the brake regen helps downhill speed control. Ford failed to provide enough regen power on the Powerboost to mimic the Diesel engine braking, so has Toyota done any better?

[@kc510]

I’d imagine there aren’t enough batteries to take a large amp load from a down hill/hauling regen.

[@georgiafan6618]

That’s a very good point. I’m not a fan of turbo V6s - and would consider the hybrid purely for the enormous instant-on torque and elimination of turbo lag. Ford’s eco boost (non-hybrid) also got slightly worse mpg towing vs. their 5.0L / 10spd. TFL has to run that comparison.

[@brianb-p6586]

The F-150 PowerBoost and Tundra hybrid have the same hybrid motor-generator power (35 kW in motor mode), but both have a small battery typical of non-plug-in hybrids (less than 2 kWh) and so may be limited in regenerative braking by battery charging power allowed.

[@jacobstrutner8232]

cant regen brake with the 90s batteries Toyota used in the new truck.over heats them under your back seat venting into the cab....good job toyota

[@brianb-p6586]

@@jacobstrutner8232 Every non-plug-in Toyota hybrid uses NiMH cells, and they all regeneratively brake. Are you saying that the battery in the Tundra hybrid isn't large enough to handle the regen power that this system can provide, or are you just guessing at what might happen?

[@nickschrunk]

Thank you for this comparison. I have a 2021 CrewMax, I can't sacrifice the V8.

[@brianj123458]

I cant believe Toyota cheated this test, aint no way those trailer weighed the same. I planned on buying a new tundra but after this shady test that Toyota just pulled, I will stick with my good old v8 tundra.

[@Mycameron2323]

Hilarious. Keep it

[@OscarSchneegans]

If you search for the VIN, you come up with a 2020, 29-ft, Gulf Stream Innsbruck. The dry weight on one of those is between 5,120 lb, and 5,664 lb. The Air Stream weighs 7,600 lb. That means the Air Stream is about 2,000 lb heavier.

[@scottyellis3442]

Great job and video, can't wait to see the long jevity testing of the V6.

[@iFishMD]

How hard would it be to unhook the one trailer to test the exact same load?????

[@themorfeeis]

I've owned three tundras, I think I'll be keeping my old 5.7. it just isn't enough there to make me want to spend 50k for a new truck. Now maybe I'll do so on the new Sequoia, but after looking at the mpg numbers today, all I see is new tech gadgets, nothing really that helps me.

[@markreams3192]

Turbocharged engines are fine as long as the engine is built to take the stress. The tundra makes peak torque at 2400 rpm which is lower than the V8. Theoretically you would have less wear and tear than the V8

[@chrismcfee6785]

Interesting to see them both tow but not a comparison. Airstreams tow totally different. I can't wait to see a real comparison when you have the truck on your home turf.

[@LynetteBarrerapink]

This is great. Thanks guys! Really liked seeing that back up!

[@RycastFitness]

I'd really like to see the 0-60 with both trucks pulling the same load. How hard is it to un-hook a trailer and re-hook? Or to find two identical trailers?! Toyota can certainly afford it!