Toyota will stop using its 'old' hybrid tech and switch to new BYD systems

Toyota will stop using its 'old' hybrid tech and switch to new BYD systems
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[@willdoe7681]

So North America bans BYD, but slap a Toyota logo on them and Jack the price by 30 points and they are just fine

[@WANDERER0070]

You got it 😂

[@JoanneLeon]

We shall see

[@ChickensAndGardening]

Even Ford is using made-in-China components. The F150 is about 40% foreign-made, even though it's considered the most American of trucks. This is just the reality of our interdependent world. In my opinion, TM is being very pragmatic and realistic here, buying components that someone else can make cheaper and better. History is littered with failed corporations that had a "not invented here" mentality.

[@jogana6909]

The United States only increased taxes on China's whole vehicles, and did not mention parts. In fact, the US market is full of all kinds of China auto parts (including for ICE and EV).

[@cb250nighthawk3]

That's why there are those homeless people. 😢

[@marcionphilologos5367]

The HYBRID cars of TOYOTA use between 4.5-6 L/ 100 KM, which is remarkable. Yet, it seems that the Chinese and BYD (helped by Geely) have reahced efficiency of under 3 L/ 100 KM. HOW????????????????? 1. bigger battery, which is used for speeds under 80km (ICE CARS ARE HIGHLY INEFFICIENT AT LOW SPEEDS) 2. the new 1.5 ICE engine is highly efficient by combining Direct Injection Turbo Charging, and a secret new TECH.. SO, THESE NEW CHINESE HYBRIDS USE 50% LESS GAS AS THE AVERAGE CAR ON THE ROAD....... MIND BLOWING.

[@JanYeeD]

Helped by Geely? No way. BYD is proud of its so called vertical integration. How come it gets help from other competitors?

[@terryzn-fb]

Current BYD hybrid efficiency is around the same as TOYOTA's, yet its more powerful. And as a PHEV with a large battery, people can use the car like a pure BEC and get more advanced entertainment system.

[@user-hx3pd8zi5l]

Idk I recycle metal 4 a live n.love it.but it's take n me a wile 2 get around the idea of take n a old vehicle out of the field and play with it 4 a hr and then go n 4 a drive in it.but on the other hand once a e car is aged n unsafe it just won't move

[@freeflowtrader]

It’s basically GM’s voltec plug in hybrid system but with better battery and continuous charging, too bad GM no longer wants to do this anymore they been losing money on every plug in hybrid ever since 2011 2012. If GM were to do BYD style hybrid it could have worked, maybe not plug in, because complicated electrical circuits and electricity supply management software combined with full self driving is headache.

[@nagi-springfield93]

byd phev help by geely? Lol what joke am I reading right now

[@RonnyJakobsson]

It's time for the new BoYoDa

[@cb250nighthawk3]

It sounds pretty good. 🎉

[@tdmb8883]

ingenious

[@MarksFutureGains]

😂😂😂😂

[@undisclosedthai]

BYota / ToYD

[@coolewily8185]

inChina we call another way : be your dad😂

[@jimmielin1141]

BYD just came out with a new model of hybrid car that has range of over 2000 kilometers

[@yourcrazybear]

"BYD just came out with a new model of hybrid car that has range of over 2000 kilometers" When running on fossil fuel. So yeah. An impressive ICE car then?

[@jackminao2060]

​@@yourcrazybearcope

[@yourcrazybear]

@@jackminao2060 "@yourcrazybear cope" Do you? I noticed that you didn't have any real counter arguments.

[@jackminao2060]

@@yourcrazybear It is equipped with the DM-i 5.0 PHEV (Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicle) powertrain. It's not an ICE car like what you are claiming.

[@yourcrazybear]

@@jackminao2060 "@yourcrazybear It is equipped with the DM-i 5.0 PHEV (Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicle) powertrain. It's not an ICE car like what you are claiming." On the contrary. It's an ICE car. Or are you going to claim that it lacks an internal combustion engine?

[@sickg6417]

recently Japan published a manual book breaking down a BYD model thoroughly bit by bit, stating that every car engineer in Japan should read it price of the book was around 20,000 dollar a copy, not kidding

[@ChickensAndGardening]

Wow who published that - some government bureau? That sounds like the Japanese, acknowledging and paying respect to a superior opponent like it's a sumo match! They did it to the U.S. all through the 1950s-60s and then surpassed the U.S. in almost every industry. Then Korea did it to Japan, and now China's doing it to all of us. Will Japan turn it around and outcompete China eventually? It'll be fascinating to watch this unfold.

[@jogana6909]

When the sales volume of BYD is increasing, it is a correct choice to study BYD products (instead of criticizing consumers).

[@deepseer]

​​​@@ChickensAndGardeningIt's Toyota breaking down a BYD Seal. No one said "should read" except editors (and maybe engineers involved?) from Toyota.

[@sickg6417]

@@ChickensAndGardening a research institute from nikkei, which is a media group that also presents the japan's stockmarket index

[@cb250nighthawk3]

Okay, I'm getting a copy. 😂😂😂

[@JJ20182]

I've been telling people that the BYD hybrid is far more advanced than Toyota's, and finally, they're starting to believe it.

[@jacobfoster3021]

How is it more advanced? I haven't been able to find much detail on BYDs.

[@GS-lf4rk]

@@jacobfoster3021take some mandarin class and start watch some Chinese car review channel. That’s the only way.

[@wanderingwalle8726]

​@@jacobfoster3021BYD DMI DMO DMP are all EV at heart, compared to toyota THS and Honda IMMD which are ICE based hybrids. BYD is much better at electric drive trains, control, batteries than Toyota.

[@Modern_CarWorld]

​@@jacobfoster3021Search for DM-I and DM-O SYSTEM

[@dalao2yang]

​@@jacobfoster3021BYD just released the new sea lion hybrid car this week. 2.9 L per 100 km! One filling run 2000 KM.....crazy.

[@Kay-cy9vi]

Biden just broke the American dream to own a chinese car😂😂😂😂 Americans will be jealous about the neighboring Mexican for their dream Chinese cars😂😂😂😂

[@Klentung8989]

An Aussie who collected their Tesla after ordering it has recieived a nasty shock just two weeks later. Jason C from the Sunshine Coast said he ordered a Model Y RWD for $60,900 plus on-roads. Two weeks later he spotted a price drop of $5000 to $55,900 for the same deal.

[@Claro1993]

Funny thing is my local BYD Dealer happens to be beside a Toyota dealer.

[@katherandefy]

Good to know the details especially about NMH because I certainly recall when that came out as rechargeables. Like AA and AAA batteries for small stuff. Really old tech now.

[@BMWHP2]

The best question is, WHY? Why is Japan refusing EV's. They have no oil production, they had lots of nucleair power with a lot of electricity . . .Why that are they still betting on H2 ?

[@amandagrant4331]

Because Toyota needs to protect its ICE supply chain (including components such as engines and gearboxes). Hydrogen energy vehicles pose the least threat to ICE. When Toyota found that it could not stop other manufacturers from producing EVs, the only thing it could do was to confuse the audience.

[@gregbailey45]

The Japanese don't like admitting they're wrong. Ever.

[@yulusleonard985]

Because Japan auto industry is under the rule of JAMA, in which Akio Toyoda is the chairman.

[@zenden9]

@@gregbailey45 At least, they are pragmatic enough to abandon their hybrid and use BYD one when they realize theirs are outdated...

[@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck]

Practically, Japanese execs are terrified of relying on China for lithium. But they - and EVeryone - have no choice.

[@mrmawson2438]

Afternoon mate

[@jimgraham6722]

Perhaps explains why around here Toyota service centres are doing maintenance on BYD BEVs.

[@davidpickard9393]

I drive a hybrid because it is nearly as smooth as an EV at 2/3rd of the price. The mileage I drive is not enough to recoup the extra cost.

[@yourcrazybear]

So in other words a waste of money.

[@dollarmerchtree4587]

We hope Toyota uses the Blade 2 battery for the next generation of EVs in the US.

[@tomtube1012]

Maybe the new Toyota hybrids will finally support "real" L2 charging. I "almost" bought a Prius Prime until I found out that their L2 charger operates at 1/5 the power of "real" L2 charging. Prius Prime max charging is 3.3 kW whereas "real" L2 maxes out at 19.2 kW. Public chargers charge you based on mins of use, not amount of power you use. So it'll cost you 5 times more to charge your Prius Prime at a public charging station. (I live in a condo that's not EV equipped, so I would have to rely on public charging.)

[@yulusleonard985]

The reason why Toyota phev batteries last longer because it slow to charge. With Prius Prime storing its battery inside vehicle if it can use fast charging it will blow up and can kill you. Just like dozen of 'burning chinese ev" which actually phev. So far only the LATTEST Chinese phev with battery UNDERNEATH the vehicle can use fast charger safely which BYD are best seller.

[@tomtube1012]

@@yulusleonard985 Well they can store it UNDERNEATH the vehicle lol. I'm not sure what your point is. My whole point is that I hope the NEW hybrid will support full L2. And you admit that it can lol.

[@yulusleonard985]

@@tomtube1012 Prius still store the battery inside the car. Chinese hybrid can fast charge because they use LFP.

[@yulusleonard985]

@@tomtube1012 So far only new Chinese hybrid put batteries underneath the car.

[@tomtube1012]

@@yulusleonard985 So what? This is a NEW Toyota hybrid, so why can't they put the batteries underneath the car like NEW BYD hybrids? lol

[@leedaq7767]

damm who knew Toyota would buy BYD tech!

[@ttkddry]

They have a joint venture...

[@mikewallace8087]

It's Toyota tech being manufactured by those people . Toyota has their own quality control departments installed in the factory to make sure they are not cheating quality control.

[@gregbailey45]

​@@mikewallace8087So BYD is really Toyota? Give me a break...

[@Mr11ESSE111]

who knows for how long if BYD start to be unreliable !! Toyota was buying BMW diesel engines too few years ago but reliability was crap

[@DW-op7ly]

@@mikewallace8087 ​​⁠there is a reason Toyota is losing out to BYD these days As BYD is producing high quality cars, stop with the ignorance and do some research before you post

[@warheadsnation]

Up to now there were no plug-in hybrids under $20,000 anywhere. BYD just announced the new Qin Plus DM-i PHEV for $11,000. All-electric range of 34 miles. Hm, do you think costs played a role in Toyota's decision?

[@jerryk6343]

I have owned 2 Toyota.. 1st one back in 1990 and it lasted 350,000 miles with no problems..today a Toyota hybrid 2021 and it averages 6 liters/100 km with lots of hilly driving. Excellent cars.

[@FrancisFjordCupola]

Around the turn of the century Toyota seemed forward looking, but it felt like they stagnated in that time and place. Were they busy with making progress, their batteries would gradually improve (bigger, more electricity, range) and eventually should have introduced plugging in and recharging. Now I did not keep track, but I cannot remember anything like that happening. So in effect, the Prius remained the less worse option but then with less promise for the future for the future came and left it behind.

[@ChickensAndGardening]

Yet for all that rhetoric about Toyota being a dinosaur, their cars are still high quality in construction & engineering, and they are famous for "running forever". If you buy a Camry today, it will still be working 15 years from now and 200,000 miles later. Can you say the same about BYD? Reports are coming out that BYD's components are cheaper and have a "made in China" type of quality that means they won't last as long. But time will tell.

[@justme6275]

can't beat em join em

[@drtk722]

What platform? Understood diy platform... would be interesting

[@glennrmarks]

This is probably for the Chinese market. I have driven a Toyota Yaris Cross hybrid (here in Australia), I drove 1,000 km and got an average 4.5L per 100 km. at 110 km/h on freeways. The only reason I would look at their hybrids is that I can't afford an EV. There is a window at the moment where Toyota might do well, but this will change once EV's get cheaper. I have had my RAV4 for 25 years, in that time it has blown a tail light globe, water pump seal and timing belt (that's the full list of replaced items, apart from consumables). Have you ever owned a Toyota? This is all based on first-hand experience, nothing to do with advertising. Love your work but you can't be right all the time. You certainly keep me informed on whats happening.

[@user-wp5kx7tv1v]

你有机会用更少的钱买到性能更好的产品 不是应该更高兴吗😂

[@ilollipop100]

I had to roadworthy my 1993 Corolla the other day. 3 light bulbs needed replacing.. Cost me less than a $1 for all three. That was it. Sailed through the test.

[@gregbailey45]

Toyota do good, reliable ICE. But they've dropped the ball on EV's and now it's too late. They're screwed.

[@glennrmarks]

@@gregbailey45 agreed, I would never buy the BZ4X.

[@wcrash9361]

Hard to believe these figures as hybrids don’t do well on freeway driving as the battery only gives limited range in hybrid mode

[@agusedyanto3324]

It is true that Toyota's hybrid technology was superior in the past, and times have changed, now BYD's hybrid technology is the most superior, Toyota's decision to collaborate with Hybrid BYD is right

[@rogerfroud300]

Absolutely, but it's too complex now, with that trick gearbox.

[@miked8121]

Toyota owns the current regular hybrid market with its 5th generation Prius design introduced last year. The secret sauce is its Electronic CVT with mechanical first gear. The motor is an integral part of the CVT. Only Toyota makes it. (Ford got a license from Toyota for its Maverick Hybrid.) I own one in a Corolla Cross Hybrid and it is awesome and extremely dependable, unlike plugin hybrids. Plugin hybrids are much more expensive. The battery in a Toyota hybrid is only 1.3 KWH while 30 or 40 KWH in a plugin hybrid. In several years, Toyota will offer every model it makes with the current hybrid option.

[@user-jh6vt8vx4v]

Toyota just start cleaning up their back log. I wait2 fxxking year for the Sienna. And the hybrid system is even weaker than the previous generation hybrid. That pitiful 4 banger couple with more pitiful motors are so under power, it turns a every day high way overtaking a freaken chore!!! The driving experience is so bad that I dont think I can hold on to it till warenty expire before trade it in for something better.

[@rambo4war]

My 2015 GS 450h got 15 mpg in the city! Averaged 31 mpgs on the highway…..severely underperformed is an understatement, now I’m enjoying 120+ mpge in my model S which I dumped the Lexus/toyota for, never getting a gimmicky hybrid from those guys unless it’s a tiny Prius

[@WTCHME]

no it didn’t. i had a gs450 and never saw economy anywhere near that

[@williamfrench9973]

It is not accurate to say that Toyota’s PHEVs have “not sold”. They have sold all they can make - and with a 1-2 year waiting list in the case of the RAV4 Prime.

[@ilollipop100]

Genius from Toyota. Like the deal with Suzuki. They get another company do to the work and stick their badge on it. That saves on having to develop whole new models. For now all they have to do is carry on making hybrids and they're printing money. Demand for hybrids is through the roof. They only have 5-8 days supply in the USA and you have to wait months for one is Australia.

[@lailailai1215154]

BYD cannot enters US market. BYD and Toyota team up to make money . It is a win-win for both or them.

[@cuteandfunnyearthlings2863]

Toyota will say China forced them to use BYD systems if toyota want to continue to sell and make their cars in china, that sound legit yeah?

[@JohnLee-tb3nh]

Meanwhile BYD is getting bigger than Toyota. Eventually BYD will swallow up Toyota.

[@cuteandfunnyearthlings2863]

Toyota will say China forced them to use BYD systems if toyota want to continue to sell and make their cars in china, that sound legit yeah?

[@JohnLee-tb3nh]

Yep, looks like it. I was wondering how Toyota was going to survive when China kicks them out. 30% of sales come from there.

[@jasons4045]

I dare them to say it in front of Chinese consumers. LOL

[@jonevansauthor]

Bosch make their batteries for power tools using Lithium Ion by the way, and I can't think of any industries much more conservative than builders. They switched because it was past time. The guys who have been in our house this week, have a Makita radio that looks like it could survive the apocalypse. You can also get a clip on attachment for the battery that adds US ports, so you can charge your phone. Builders are also using JCBs that are battery operated now. Toyota is stuck in the past and it's really sad. There are still uses for NiMH batteries, but those are waning and mostly relate to really specific niche use cases. I'm getting new electronics now that would previously have been battery operated, but are now USB rechargeable and have built in Li-Ion batteries. Alarm clocks, torches, hair trimmers, handheld vacuums etc.

[@JoeyBlogs007]

Toyota hybrids used to be dual drive, systems ( motor to wheel and engine to wheel ), so less efficient overall. However, newer Toyota hybrids have evolved to include more advanced powertrain designs that optimize efficiency and performance apparently.

[@foolishEmporer]

That is wild that Toyota is going towards BYD tech. Does it point to a company that is worried about catching up after NOT joining the EV revolution?

[@yourcrazybear]

Toyota is the joke that continues to give. First they are to incompetent to realize that EVs are taking over. Then they are to incompetent to create and produce competent EVs in any respectable volume. And now they are too incompetent to even compete in hybrid technology.

[@user-os4fd4yl8z]

If you can't beat them, you join them.

[@homerbeer943]

If Shenxing batteries are as good as they say, why are companies wasting time and money on hybrids??

[@user-wp5kx7tv1v]

因为总会有笨蛋 忘记给电动车充电😂😂

[@glennrmarks]

because they are still new and cars are designed years in advance of hitting the market. They need to get a return on all that investment.

[@zenden9]

Who build the charging pole? You?

[@homerbeer943]

@@zenden9 who built all the gas stations? Who built all the schools? Who built all the roads and bridges?

[@agusedyanto3324]

HEV is useful for countries and regions where charging is not evenly distributed, such as in developing countries

[@celery9248]

BYD has been taunted for being tuned like a Toyota... Ironic

[@buixote]

I had no idea that Toyota were still using NiMH. What a joke. I've rebuilt some battery packs for tools replacing NiCd with NiMH... weight isn't so much an issue in this case, but NiMH have not come down in price... ok for tools, but insane for vehicles.

[@ChickensAndGardening]

The newer Prius (since 2022, I believe) use lithium ion, not nimh. Keep in mind that NiMH is a "sunk cost" technology - R&D and economies of scale long since achieved. Therefore it's more profitable to use NiMH. However for performance purposes i.e. going 45 miles in BEV mode, they were forced to change to lithium. It's a sacrifice in terms of stability and safety though.

[@user-jh6vt8vx4v]

​@@ChickensAndGardeningno, the nimh cell are pretty fragile as well. The thermal runway has been a problem since nicad battery. Since they use membrane to seperate cathode and anode. It was not as promenant back than since we have never use battery in such large scale. But, year, when the membrane compromize, the cell is gonna blow regardless if it is Nicad, Nimh or lithitium

[@rusty358]

Toyota should improve wiring by going away from soy based insulation. Also could improve connector quality, especially the leaf type contacts which build up corrosion over time.

[@qilu2004]

BYD phev is generations ahead of the rest of the industry. Sam is ignorant about plug in hybrids.

[@rogerfroud300]

Toyota's move to BYD's platform is a humiliating climb down. It looks like they can't even make a viable PHEV, let alone that imaginary Solid State Battery they were going to have in 2019. What a joke. Toyota need to get a grip, scrap the Hydrogen ICE and Fuel Cell nonsense, and figure out how to make a proper BEV. It's the only type of car they're going to need in future, and they're doing absolutely nothing at the moment to make that happen. It's driving towards a cliff with its eyes closed.

[@yo2trader539]

Why? They're selling to Chinese market, so Chinese quality will do. Japanese media always reported that Solid State Battery will be produced around 2027.

[@ChickensAndGardening]

Toyota makes great hybrids and PHEV's. But they're competing with BYD selling equivalent (or better) vehicles at half the price, so they need to fight fire with fire.

[@GS-lf4rk]

If a company got beat in PHEV by BYD, there is no shame on that. We tend to say there r two types of BEVs. Tesla or other. Guess what. There is only one type of PHEV. Just BYD. Others? Where r the others that can it be compared with.

[@jasons4045]

Define Chinese quality, LOL. Don't believe in Toyota seriously, they are good at making empty promises.

[@pascalbruyere7108]

NiMh works for ever. I have powerful bicycle lights from 20 years ago as well as a bunch of AA and AAA batteries: all work. NiMh work 3-4 years max. That’s what you have on your smartphone: they don’t like to be cycled, NiMh doesn’t care.

[@PaulS-yl6hk]

the only thing that sticks out in my mind of BYD is ev Fiyah's!

[@hewittzhong]

Toyota will adopt BYD DMI system, wholesale

[@pascalbruyere7108]

Ok so what does it do, how does it work? Prius style? Volt style? i3 style? Or other? There is no information in this video.

[@murat8194]

Rumor is that Toyota is seeking to buy Blackberry trademark as part of their new branding strategy.

[@Fomites]

Lol 😂

[@undisclosedthai]

No. I think Blackburry sounds like Chery (or cherry) or Geely.

[@machoopichoo2]

That's Blockbuster news.

[@Slaytheday388]

Why would they use BYD’s plug-in technology when Toyota has the best plug-in technology in the world right now? I work for Toyota in our plug-in hybrid technology is flawless

[@1rjona]

I think advantage of nickel hydride batteries are they don't light up like lithium ion batteries. Also Toyota has been making them for a long time

[@martinwinlow]

Woo-hoo! We're all saved!!! (... NOT!).

[@kl9518]

Just like American and UK bus companies use BYD platforms and technology for their electric buses.

[@mrmawson2438]

Cheers mate I'm 45

[@gregbailey45]

Apropos of what? Oh, ok, got it.

[@haoruchen4216]

They knew this all along but they just couldn’t do it themselves.

[@cuteandfunnyearthlings2863]

Toyota will say China forced them to use BYD systems if toyota want to continue to sell and make their cars in china, that sound legit yeah?

[@nfzeta128]

More like they refused to. Toyota is a car giant, they just didn't want to bother investing much in EV tech.

[@tonyarntz821]

If it's not Hybrid Synergy Drive, don't touch it. I'd have to be pretty desperate to go back to VCR technology, ie: clutches, belts, fixed gear ratios. That rubbish should have stayed in the 20th century.

[@AO-ow6tt]

If BYD's technology was not superior, no way would Toyota use BYD DM-i 5.0 system.

[@ubermenschen3636]

Toyota will build plug-in hybrid pickup truck and box truck using this BYD power train. Expect to see these vehicles in N America, soon.

[@MrSparklespring]

With all your critics on Toyota, the brand is know for its' excellent reliability, I highly doubt that BYD can make the same quality at the moment. They haven't proven anything in Europe so far, including their sparse dealerships who have still to prove themselves. Selling your car is one thing, building a good dealership for aftersales and maintenance is another thing. For now, Toyota, Lexus and Honda, stand at the top for quality production. Although chinese manufacturers make giant progress, they are still not as good as these japanese cars.

[@James_Ryan]

Ni-MH is used everywhere in industry, especially in space and the military where dependability and durability are concerned.

[@timogronroos4642]

Ni-MH is also better in colder climate where Lithium batteries suffers

[@anwarsentinel1752]

I remember back in the 90s lap tops used to have Ni-Mh batteries however they moved to Lithium ion in the late 90s and early 2000s for some unknown reason.

[@handyandymeister]

@@anwarsentinel1752 You get much higher energy density (kwh/kg) with Lithium.

[@handyandymeister]

@@anwarsentinel1752 You also get 10x lifespan with Lithium. It's a no-brainer.

[@anwarsentinel1752]

@@handyandymeister tell mr musk I said rip tesla

[@JIMMY-nz1ld]

I personally prefers BYDs hybrid over toyota bcos it actually makes sense for saving fuel. You get to drive like an EV all the time. Even if you put your foot down full throttle.

[@michaelfung4629]

Great for the EV sector.

[@johnbowman476]

I'm getting really tired at looking at the shit choices for cars we have in the US

[@cb250nighthawk3]

What about your choices for potus? 🎉

[@johnbowman476]

@@cb250nighthawk3 Loi!

[@machoopichoo2]

And 99% of us can't stand going to a stealership.

[@ChicagoBob123]

Not mentioning in the US we have interest rate of .99% for 72 months for the model Y and the RWD long range? Now it's a crazy good deal.

[@mikewallace8087]

I agree , someone is crazy to offer that loan percentage as it disregards the increasing inflation rate.

[@ChicagoBob123]

@@mikewallace8087 but it makes me want to buy one

[@mikewallace8087]

@@ChicagoBob123 maybe you want to cuddle with your own gender but not me.

[@nfzeta128]

Just make sure you don't go anywhere near those 72 months.

[@ChicagoBob123]

@@nfzeta128 don't understand

[@sergeikuznetsov5800]

NiMH do not burst in flames frying passengers above

[@MagnumiPad]

Why don't they use BYD's, BEV's?

[@user-jh6vt8vx4v]

Toyota still not ready to convince the board to go all in Ev. I guess

[@jogana6909]

PHEV still retains the ICE engine and gearbox. The large production capacity owned by Toyata will not become useless.

[@larryevans6739]

They do. Chinese-market BZ3 is basically a BYD Qin Plus EV under the skin. Toyota Sport Crossover EV concept was made by BYD. BYD and Toyota started a JV in 2020, which has essentially resulted in BYD supplying BEV powertrains to be assembled by FAW-Toyota and badged Toyota. “We aim to combine BYD’s strengths in development and competitiveness in the battery electric vehicle market with Toyota’s quality and safety technology to provide the best BEV products for the market demand and consumer affection as early as we can.”

[@Leafbinder]

Well the FACT is Hybrid Cars have about twice as many Parts that can break and its a waste of Batteries when most people wont use the electric part of the car on average.

[@captiantim1]

I can't get a byd or a reasonable priced Toyota 😮

[@zenden9]

Anybody still unconvinced about BYD DMI 5.0 tech? If not surprising Japan license BYD tech for hybrid.

[@Ask-a-Rocket-Scientist]

What I can’t figure is why hybrid car makers aren’t upgrading the batteries to 7.5KW so they can qualify for the $7500 credit.

[@agusedyanto3324]

Maybe this will make the car's weight too high, which is not in accordance with regulations

[@frankcoffey]

All BYD and Tesla have to do is reinforce what Toyota and others have been saying until it's too late for them. Yes, invest all your R&D budget into Hydrogen and hybrids....that's a good idea.

[@ibvocean]

Almost 80 miles per gallon just f*ing mind bothering 😅😂

[@williamsloggy5144]

And Subaru?

[@cuteandfunnyearthlings2863]

Hydrogen is still too new and too early, electric cars they been around in the 70's and 80's, the first one is in 1830, and ev is still improving all the time.

[@rogerfroud300]

If Hydrogen was any good, it would have taken over ICE years ago. However, the fact is it isn't better. It's too complicated, too expensive and too inefficient.

[@rockycata6078]

Lead, follow, or get out the way. Toyota is losing their lead in every sector, and now have "no choice" but to follow BYD ...into a losing hybrid platform.

[@Thulebeez]

Very good move Toyota they must go all the way in even BYD BEV technology. For next generation of BEV Toyota must outsourced the mechinical part to BYD and only do body design work with Toyota badge.

[@pd2152]

Toyota is the most reliable car or truck you can buy- until they rolled out these new turbos

[@Ahda108]

BYD can just use the Toyota Bage to sell their cars here in the U.S... i think t will be better than the noodle Prius

[@larryevans6739]

Or just package up their powertrains to be assembled by Toyota in North America.

[@Muricans1776]

The Big Guy won’t like this…another 10% in the envelope might let this slip past the new U S A EV tariffs.

[@neildolan7177]

Keep your friends close & enemies closer.

[@StewartMidwinter]

I believe that Toyota is still using nickel metal hydride batteries for one simple reason - they can be charged thousands and thousands of times, and they are cheap. When the battery is so small that it's completely used up within a couple of minutes, it's important to be able to recharge it many times.

[@kenoliver8913]

Nickel is CHEAP? You are joking. And up-to-date LFP batteries can also be charged thousands of times and are a lot smaller, lighter - and cheaper.

[@ainschuntayleuhn1147]

Sam: Look how efficient Trains are. A Fuel Powered Engine Drives a Generator which Powers Electric Motors. Why not Cars? The Gas Engine would be Very Small and consume only a Small amount of Fuel. Many benefits including low cost and in turn affordable to the masses.

[@jaaklucas1329]

Had it for years, Chevy Volt and others. Called REV tech. I believe. More coming and Edison motors makes class 8 semis like this.

[@KJSvitko]

Adapt, change or go bankrupt. Toyota is too slow to go all in on electric vehicles. Legacy auto dealers are a nightmare for legacy auto makers. They gouged customers trying to buy electric vehicles. Legacy auto dealers abused their customers by adding market price adjustments to gouge their customers for EVs They added pricey add ons and other costs to pump up the prices and their profits. Tesla has the right idea. Buy online. No hassle. No sitting in a show room for hours. No salesman BS. No crazy markups. No I have to see my manager BS. With Tesla you can buy a vehicle in 5 minutes or less online. The dealers have no one to blame but themselves. The dealers are dragging the legacy auto makers down with them. The problem with legacy auto makers having slow sales leads back to the legacy auto dealers. They try to talk people out of buying and EV and want to put them in a gasoline car.

[@JohnLee-tb3nh]

Except Hyundai Group. Hyundai Group is going be #1! Already 3rd, only behind Toyota Group and VW Group.

[@xinfuxia3809]

Scott Kilmer will wave his arms furiously for this news

[@frequentlycynical642]

Ha ha ha times a thousand. That man is so maniacal whack a doodle.

[@yoyohighness]

If Toyota is using BYD's hybrid engine instead of its own, what does that tell the world about Toyota's Hybrid tech ？

[@chrisheath2637]

We will see more and more of this - Legacy Auto "partnering" with Chinese manufacturers. Dare I say, they will pretend they still produce them. But once they hand over the manufacturing to Chinese companies - they are admitting defeat - they simply can't produce compelling EVs and have given up. Their last gasp at being viable is hybrids - but EVs will soon be so good, reliable and affordable that hybrids will be considered yesterday's tech...

[@justice4g]

toyota sticks to the old battery tech because it's cheap and the battery's are small enough that the weight doesn't really matter

[@yulusleonard985]

BYD and CATL battery are cheaper. this year they reach $55 per kwh.

[@C0wCakes]

Plugin Hybrid engine efficiency is highly dependent on people actually plugging in recharging most of the time. Recent Studies you and other media have mentioned most people don't do that and use petrol most of the time, and in doing so are less efficient than an efficient ICE vehicle. But it makes them feel good. Still it's funny that Toyota will effectively be a BYD subsiduary company.

[@jogana6909]

If doesn't want to charge, no one will buy PHEV and give up ICE. But the market is honest. In April 2024, BYD sold 134,465 pure EVs and 177,583 PHEVs.

[@larryevans6739]

If the economics have running on electricity as being less expensive (which it is most places), people will plug in their vehicles. The studies that claim many people do not plug in their vehicles were based on company cars (a frequent perk in the UK) where they were reimbursed for fuel. If you do not pay for fuel, the incentive to change behavior is not there. In China, fuel is expensive and charging is relatively convenient. In addition their PHEV's are designed to run as EV's first (rather than a hybrid with a plug added as an afterthought), with electric ranges far beyond what the Volt offered. As such, most people in China plug in.

[@rkox88]

Looks like Toyota has finally seen the light. They went the wrong direction with hydrogen now they are trying save their relevance in the car market

[@machoopichoo2]

Good luck even getting a PHEV (AKA fake EVs) - it takes like a year from order. Toyoda can't even make hybrids properly now. Cue the bankruptcy music.

[@dadsfave]

What's this "if you don't believe me you have been brainwashed" crap??? As a driver of a 20 year old Prius I know first hand how good they are. Who do you think you are? Russell Brand?

[@chingtuckmeng1122]

Keep your ULTRA modern toyo junk

[@miked8121]

@@chingtuckmeng1122 The 5th generation Toyota hybrid introduced last year is even more fuel efficient while being 30% more powerful than the previews model. It's a win win. It will be offered as an option in all Toyota model in a couple years.

[@user-jh6vt8vx4v]

​@@miked8121I can tell from current gen sienna. The 4 gen hybrid is not better than 2nd gen used on u60 highlander

[@lchristophor3107]

You need to try or have a close friend who drives a BYD hybrid before you could doubt what is said here.

[@miked8121]

@@user-jh6vt8vx4v The 5th Gen started with Prius, then Corolla, then Cross Hybrid, and it is rumored to be in RAV 4 next year. It is being rolled out to other models after that. There are 2 versions. The 2 liter hybrid and then the 2.5 liter hybrid for larger vehicles. I never even considered a Toyota hybrid until this 5th Gen was introduced.

[@wangyiran66]

It is kind of pointless to buy these new models in China. But, well...

[@eddiegardner8232]

Toyota is the GM of Japan.

[@frequentlycynical642]

And yet 99% of Americans have never heard of BYD. And probably 90% of general auto enthusiasts, either. I think, as Toyota bet on,. EV's will never take over the green marketplace entirely. Plug in hybrids are the practical and logical choice for most consumers for many years to come.

[@jaaklucas1329]

BYD pretty much blocked out of America because its Chinese. BYD do make Ebuses in N. America.

[@markrowland1366]

This year the head of Toyota asserted that he frequently lied, as thid is how business is conducted.

[@snodgee]

Your statement isn’t exactly true they are not buying BYD , they have signed a agreement to design and build new equipment

[@kallekas8551]

They won’t…😂

[@Slaytheday388]

Maybe they are only going to use their hybrid technology in China for some reason

[@ekhoury1000]

Toyota hybrids are the EV nerds cryptonite.. ultra efficient without needing charging. Here hes talking about PHEV which is useless tech that Toyota don't even make ( I think )

[@vinterskugge907]

They do - the RAV4 has a plug-in hybrid variant.

[@jacobfoster3021]

@vinterskugge907 rav4, prius, and in some markets chr and crown have phev versions.

[@mikestone2740]

You are nuts. Do you drive abn env ?

[@colinnhl1414]

Oh Toyota!

[@ommanipadmehung3014]

Om!

[@carlcadogan4510]

Yes by now Toyota should have moved on from Nimh batteries

[@sosomelodies659]

Swappable batteries is the future, not plug-ins.

[@machoopichoo2]

Battery swap is a terrible idea and a big part of why Nio is losing money, hand over fist. Just a few examples...the battery pack can't be structural, it's a battery constrained world, and this is a huge capital outlay for Nio.

[@sosomelodies659]

@machoopichoo2 They're not losing money because of swappable batteries. It's something else. We change out forklift batteries all day at our wherehouse. We have about 20 forklifts Each battery weighs 2000lbs . It works and it's quick. Only 7 to 10 minutes. Been doing it for 24yrs. In the USA.

[@machoopichoo2]

​@@sosomelodies659 Massive capital outlay, especially when considering the swapping station. Are the batteries the most expensive part of the forklift and part of the structure? Batteries charging speed is increasing exponentially and will eventually come close to the time needed to swap a battery. Each model and even variants within models need different batteries, so there will be many types of batteries needed at every station (i.e., more capital and lowered economies of scale). Also, what about lineups? Now, Nio is losing a sh!t load of money on gross automotive margin, like every other BEV maker (excluding BYD and Tesla), which is also part of the problem.

[@sosomelodies659]

@machoopichoo2 These all sound like excuses. But hey if you prefer high speed charging and risk burning your house down, be my guest. I don't like the communists but they're doing it right with swappable batteries. The question now is how to make it profitable.