TP3: Lots of details and setup - No flying here

[@Kabab]

TP3 intro video: bit.ly/2BdtIe1 Table of Contents: 00:43 - Why move to 3" and AUW 02:41 - The frame video: bit.ly/2LZ5NoY 03:20 - Motors 30:12 - Motor Kv 08:06 - 1303 vs 1204 11:35 - 2mm press fit props 13:48 - BetaFPV or NamelessRC 31:35 - Reliability of Beta vs Nameless 14:13 - Build/solder guide 15:07 - My preferred build 17:00 - Cameras 21:10 - TP3/Micro formula for performance 26:36 - 1S 3" quad TP3 Frame: bit.ly/2OjpGZt 1303 Motor: bit.ly/2O7gc35 1204 Motor: bit.ly/2O7gGpV 3018 Prop: bit.ly/2OfK2Cu BetaFPV AIO: bit.ly/308ZZ4V NamelessRC AIO: bit.ly/30aNJRd Batteries, canopies, new different props and cameras are coming soon to the store. Been working really hard on which would be best options. Recommended 450mah 3S: bit.ly/2krhKbW Recommended 450mah 2S: bit.ly/2lW3JTW My preferred FPV cam is still this particular version of the Whoop cam as a standalone. It's what I used for most of this video. Let me know if you want us to stock this camera. I feel like I'm in the minority that likes this camera over any Nano cam. This camera will NOT fit the BeeBrain V2 mount unfortunately. The board is about 15mm wide and 13mm tall. bit.ly/2mhxaQp Also the Vtx/DVR I'm using. It works alright but not perfect. It's a happymodel product so it has reliability issues. I have two companies working on a new version. bit.ly/2lSn20p Tiny's LEDs: bit.ly/2MkvjE0 I'm going to start sending all the stuff on my channel randomly to my Patreons: bit.ly/2oGLP9b ▼Join my FB group for more discussion: Kabab FPV facebook.com/groups/379155946182689/ ▼ My typical 5" quad setup: -Hyperlite Glide Floss (will be re-released soon) -Motor 1750kv/ESC combo: bit.ly/2XAEHXH -WaFL’s Cap Cap: bit.ly/2GUpXxO -Battery: bit.ly/2ZoW2rq -FC: bit.ly/2XRc8G8 -FPV Cam: bit.ly/2Q7LfL7 -Vtx: bit.ly/2HsrASs -ND GoPro Mount 30deg: bit.ly/2WC15zc -ND Filter (if used): bit.ly/2WEmQ1j ▼My preferred goggles as of Sept 2019 bit.ly/2k5YNv5 ▼Notable motors: -Xing 2306: bit.ly/2Nqqr25 -Xing 2208: bit.ly/2y3te8R -FANTASTIC 6" motor: bit.ly/2LqghOZ ▼ 5" Sub $200 build that's still good -Frame: goo.gl/EpXQhZ -FC/4in1 Stack: goo.gl/HprVbj -Motors: bit.ly/2Nqqr25 -Props: bit.ly/2TUQsIg -FPV Cam: goo.gl/FDJhYw -Vtx: bit.ly/2NnO2Au -Starter goggles: bit.ly/2Mw0yNS -Batt pad material: bit.ly/2QGWhYb ▼ If you want to solder better: -Fantastic solder: amzn.to/2P5QM2W -Fantastic iron: goo.gl/DqBipa ▼ Lighting equipment: -Ring light: bit.ly/2ODSg9A -Panel light: bit.ly/2KmDApP -Power adapter: bit.ly/2YD5jHT -Tripod: bit.ly/2MDsMX2 -Mini tripod: bit.ly/2MGL4Hf ▼ Tips? Patreon: bit.ly/2oGLP9b -PayPal: www.paypal.me/kababfpv -Bitcoin: 1E4XZXoD4rS6MYWVWuenY7Kw2M1YgyNpoQ -Nano: xrb_1188ek5bd7tb9kw67asnp9o65byuoaxbtpxuznx1ribf75x78awywmakj55f -ETH: 0xD067F93811f2eC31CB1928901002dfdf9A492EF5 -LTC: La2KWYAjp4VT2Lq2M76pbjzXWvRyjpfCtG -Tesla Referal code: ts.la/bob40889 Please use my referral code if you're gonna buy a Tesla. You get some free stuff when you do and I get better status with Tesla.

[@Hiasibua]

The table of contents' order is a bit messed up. Here and in the description. ;-) Great video tho!

[@MCsCreations]

Hey Bob, about a build video, you don't need to make it if you don't want to. You can send a frame for someone to make a build video for you. Someone like AndyRC, who knows. 😊 I'm getting back to KZbin... And I'm starting to make videos both in Portuguese and English... But I have LOTS of videos to edit and so on... And you already sent a frame for Andy if I'm not mistaken. 😊

[@fcass]

I love your insights from hours of experience with the motors. No one else tells me things accurately like "Tends to race through the lower rpms giving you less low end control." etc. This is valuable stuff that motor companies and drone companies have not captured and shared before. Thanks dood. (And I guess this explains why I suddenly couldn't find that FC available. ;)

[@ruftime]

“Going fast isn’t everything” As I get older, I resemble this statement more and more;-) Thanks Bob, lovin’ my TP3! Happy flying my FPV Brothers and Sisters!

[@earlhelm515]

The older I get - The faster I use to be!

[@sixtofive]

TP5 here we come! Interesting discussion as always.

[@Leonsimages]

Me: Kabab: *talks for half an hour* Me: :)

[@tehllama42]

Me: MOAR. WANT MOAR

[@ariafpv]

The longer the video the better

[@IanBeaty]

So much useful information packed in here! This is one of the most interesting parts of the hobby. Thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge with us. I am super excited about the 5" toothpick. I have been wanting to do a build like that, but have not been able to get to that yet.

[@explosivefruits]

I’m absolutely fine watching you talk, I love just hearing you talk about stuff in general

[@EvPv]

i could sit and listen to all your stuff for hours, love it man. Also,i built a toothpick recently,about two weeks ago...using your frame with 1103 AmaxInno 7500kv runnig the HQ65T prop on 3S with the namelessRC board, the 410T i believe. Been great so far, no issues seems to have great consistency as far as esc performance too. Quite happy with it as of now anyway.

[@slipperysebastian]

34 mins, shut up and take my time boi ♥️♥️♥️

[@jonpacheco7581]

Really truly love your unbiased content and it’s really obvious that you do this out of passion. Thanks for all your testing so that we can save money and time. Aloha from Oahu!👍🏽🤙🏽😃

[@Kabab]

Thank you.

[@scottgivens27]

Just bought three TP3 frames!!! In stock now! 👍🏽 I

[@Silor]

I love the Kabab science! It might not be entirely correct but damn well works

[@SpikeJonesTheCr0oked]

I'm using the pickle /cube printed canopy and it has been working out well. I like that it has standard antenna tube mounts and a place for a crossfire antenna.

[@j.finesseflights1403]

Those crows were krackin me up😂 I jus knew you weren't gonna be able to talk through that ruckus!!

[@NicolaGuerrera]

I'm all in for the toothpick 5! I'll be getting the toothpick 3 as soon as the 1303 restock!

[@lrfpv5292]

So I'm kind of confused where you got those numbers for the area of the disk. Area is calculated as (pi* (r^2)), so in the case of 1 inch props, I got (0.5^2)* pi = .785in^2. Multiplied by the four props, we get 3.14 (or pi) in^2, which does not agree with the '12.6' for the 1-inch prop shown in the video. The same can be seen with 2.5 and 3 inch, where I got (1.25^2)*pi = 4.91in^2 and (1.5^2)*pi = 7.07 in^2 respectively. If we multiply both of these by 4, we get 19.6 in^2 and 28.3 in^2 for 2.5 and 3 inch props (4 props). I also calculated the 'percent more disk area', based on your numbers, and got similar numbers. Also, when I calculate it with the A = (pi) * (r^2) formula for 1 prop, I get pretty much the exact percentage differences that you got. The only discrepancies that I got were within

[@Kabab]

Well you definitely understood the point and yeah I used to do these videos really quickly back then and didn't check anything because I just didn't have time. I still don't have time today but I try to pay more attention. It wouldn't surprise me if all my numbers were somehow wrong but the concept is the same and the numbers don't quite matter as much as the concept

[@chrisbee5481]

@@Kabab your math is faulty, but the point is correct. I studied the correct disc area tables and come to the conclusion a 3.3 inch Prop is ideal. A 3S 110g AUW is great, but something inbetween the 3 inch 110g and new 250g 3,5 inch would be a new performance category

[@DroneOn]

Very good video. You hit the nail on the head speaking on the importance of factors in 1s and the limitations. In my opinion.

[@1LittleTinker]

I bet the ribbed bell does make a cooling difference, more surface area, just like a heat sink. Love the work here, pls don't stop :)

[@Rc_impulse]

1LittleTinker yes surely

[@brundlefly3658]

Since you have tested so many motors... there is still one you missed, although it's around for a very long time. I'm talking about the good old Brotherhobby Returner 1402 8100kv. I run these on a very light weight (80g) 3 inch build (Komori frame and HGLRC Zeus) on gemfan 3025 props and i absolutely love this combination on 450/550mah 3S. On top of that these motors are very durable - i bashed the heck out of this quad for at leat 1 1/2 years now and not one of these motors ever failed on me!

[@Kabab]

I've tested that one. It's good. Just a bit dated and making motors with brother is a bit slow and can be expensive. I've worked with them on many motors. They don't always listen to requests too.

[@sketchpv3080]

I also am running the BH 1402 8100kv on 2S on a 97g AUW 3” Toothpick and it’s great! Haven’t tried 3S but I’m pretty happy with 2S performance right now. Might do a completely new 3S build with the 1303 4800kv motors in the near future.

[@donphobos]

I am waiting with much excitement for the Babytooth motors and some canopies. I will order the remaining parts as they pop up in the inventory. This winter will be rather exciting, I might be able to start building late Autumn....

[@brianfreland9065]

Tha ks for the info! I just picked up parts from fpvcycle and i cant wait to put it together!

[@DanielSingerX]

I was going to make a video on my testing with these things and I agree on everything you say here based on my own testing. And it’s really cool that you are making this 3” 1s because it was a brain storm idea I had and will try after I got sent a pair of 1103 11000kv motors by mistake. Always look forward to your videos 😎😎 thanks for all the info

[@michaeljohnson6473]

I finished my babytooth last week.. I FINALLY got it to stop wobbling, and it’s flying rock solid.. So like 30 minutes ago was my first real rip outside.. I am in disbelief of just how fast, and nimble it is.. I can decide at the very last second to make a hard right turn, and dip under the trees. No matter how late I start the turn I can make it, and make the dip no problem... It has supernatural FPV flight abilities.. I’m not kidding.. If you haven’t built one yet.. DO IT RIGHT NOW!!!!

[@Kabab]

This is why I was so hyped on the setup. It's unreal how well it flies for what it is.

[@Adam-kb2mn]

Thanks.I love the info on 3 inch and smaller.They are great for flying aroung the park with out getting hassled unlike a noisey 5 inch.

[@UdonPenguin]

finally got to order that TP3. Really like the BETAfpv toothpick AOI and the AMAX 1303 with both HQ and Gemfan props all waiting a frame. so glad you have got stock shame I have to go with cheapest shipping. Amazing infomation as always.

[@Acestrex]

Awesome video!! I can’t wait for what’s coming in the future, sooo exciting!!

[@SSiXaXiS]

Btw bob the shipping on fpv cycle is amazing! Idk who runs the shipping side but they are doing a good job

[@Kabab]

lol thanks. very nice of you. We do it ourselves for now. About to head to the warehouse and pack the hundreds of orders that came in within the hour. I hope to get some sleep tonight...

[@SSiXaXiS]

Wow man that's awesome keep the hard work up! Hope you can get some help soon!

[@petermarky8055]

LOL, I got so exited that the motors were in stock that I ordered them and some 3018 props... It then dawned on me to check and see and the frame was available again, duh... place a second order for it and the Beta AIO. Wohoo!! Waiting by the mailbox:)

[@TheFlyingMechanic]

Finally. I've been waiting on the motors to come in stock. Thanks!

[@Kabab]

unfortunately they only lasted 2.5hrs -_- . more on the way

[@TheFlyingMechanic]

@@Kabab that's because everyone that flies this class loves it. Thanks for the hard work man. We appreciate it.

[@gamaxgbg]

Thinner rotors (the bell) are more efficient at higher speeds because they have less rotational inertia than wider ones. But you sacrifice torque and therefore control. This is why the 1105 are more efficient. Rotational inertia goes up with the square of the radius and linearly with the height while torque goes up linearly with both the radius and the height. For the same height, a 12-wide stator have 19% more rotational inertia than an 11-wide but it only has 9% more torque (which is actually power if we consider the same rpm, and 9% is a lot). (6mm radius x 5.5mm radius).

[@DoRC]

That ribbing probably gives the outside of the bell something like 50% more surface area so I'd imagine it would help cooling a decent amount.

[@fpvattitude8163]

Just got another set of 1303s still waiting on my others from amax but finally got the tp3 frame so happy i got two

[@stevo4535]

Yes yes, love these long rants.

[@noamamir0942]

ive tried whoop cameras runcam nano and everything, if you are a night time flyer nothing beats the high end nano cameras like racer or predator nano. with those cameras you can fly spots that would be unflyable with most other cheap cameras, its really worth the extra 2 grams.

[@doodlesdeluxe]

Regarding the 1S toothpick, there's some pretty lightweight all in one 200mw whoop cameras out there now. I use one from AKK from amazon on my 38g 2S 2.5inch Primo build and it's great. I have the crazybee board with spi reciever. Also, I bet we'll be seeing ever smaller 200mw AIO whoop cameras soon at the rate things are shrinking.

[@BornIIfly]

Hi received, „The flight controller with your name on it 😉“ Works & flies really great! When is the next batch with BlHeli_32? 🤔 Have upgraded the BlHeli-S to Jazz-Maverick. Sounds upgraded now too 😉 Best wishes & take care 🤓😉😘

[@JerryCalverley]

Great dratils regarding the tiny quad. I plan to buy the kits to build them in my @droneinterestgroup classes.

[@billsanchez2665]

Keep up the good work love to build ,all your designs are amazing

[@CookeCraft]

Absolutely brilliant content. Just received my order of 2x baby tooth frames 👍

[@SSiXaXiS]

I'm not even sure I want to watch this lol everytime a tp3 video comes out I spend money hahaha thanks bob!!

[@smcarmel]

@Kababfpv do you need a capacitor on your lead on the nameless board?

[@moparme2733]

Awsome info as always im rockin bolth beta and nameless and so far solid keep up the awsome work love all your products

[@donphobos]

Love the concept. I am located in Sweden, though, so shipping would probably get very expensive.

[@neojeets]

I'm grabbing a TP3 asap. Hopefully you get those sweet mint green motors in stock soon!

[@Kabab]

The mint motors are coming next week supposedly

[@Swedevideonet]

Hey KabobFpv, did you ever try those Brotherhobby 1402 motors? I'm curious what battery you might choose if you built the tp3 with 9100kv 1402.

[@Kabab]

that kv is sky high but I guess you could give it a shot on 2S. It would destroy the battery super quick however.

[@userunknown2771]

Hey, i am planning to build this with the Runcam Hybrid 2. Would you recommend it, or do you think that the camera size and weight would compromise the advantages of the TP3 ? My main concern is finding a good and large enough Canopy for the weird sized Hybrid 2. Any tips?

[@Kabab]

I'd honestly consider a bigger frame and setup. This one will not work out well. Sure you can jam it in there but it's not comfortable

[@chemistt]

Hey Kabab, really looking forward to Your Toothpick 5. Recently I was trying to build an ultralight long range 5" quad and could not find too many 30g frames. Also found out that VERY OLD 1806 2280kv Tarot (LoL) motors are the best I can get. Not for You I guess as they are more effective than responsive but I can get a hover on 4Amps (with 5" BiBlades). At Cruise about 6.7A and flight times for cruising up to 24 minutes on 2500mAh 18650 LiIon battery. Looking Forward to Your build as You have excellent ideas. Cheers.

[@Kabab]

Yeah I plan to give 18650 a go on it

[@chemistt]

@@Kabab or even maybe a SAMSUNG INR21700 40T as it has only 20g per cell more than a 18650 but has 4000mAh on sheet (IRL was able to charge it to 3500+ mAh which is better than LG 18650 cells that holds 3200mAh but gives you only 10A)

[@archer4922]

Gotta agree with you on the difference between the aio boards and a 16x16 stack. Did a direct comparison a cpl days ago. Same frame, motors, cam, vtx, rx the only diff was one had the betafpv toothpick board and one the iflight 16x16. You could tell a diff between the two. The one with the aio board just responded way better in the air. The 16x16 felt kind weird when trying to do flips and such. I guess the height of the stack made the difference, I donno but everyone agreed the aio board felt better.

[@Kabab]

What you felt is the difference between a lower powered fet and ESC design vs one that's more appropriate for the level of build. it doesn't mean one is bad and the other is good, it just means that one is not suitable for this particular application

[@archer4922]

KababFPV true true. The iflight stack is a good one. So is the betafpv. All I know is the beta one just felt more locked in more stable. And they both had your fpvcycle 1204 motors on them. I definitely want some of those when you get them back in stock. Really nice motors. I know I could just get the rcinpower ones I’ve seen on banggood but color wise I’m not a fan of the pinkish ones. At least for the build I’m working on. The ones on your site fit the color scheme perfectly.

[@Kabab]

@@archer4922 somebody else just asked about the beta board. I also just realized that we paid for entire shipments that they never sent. hopefully we will have more of those in just a couple of days. I also just heard from the motor manufacturer that processing time for the men's motors will be another 10 days before shipping

[@archer4922]

KababFPV awesome. I’ve got the betafpv HX100 but it has the slightly older board in it. Should still handle the 1204’s just fine. We shall see. I’ll keep an eye on the site and hopefully when they do arrive I’ll have the extra funds to get some. $$$’s been tight lately. But if I have to wait I have to wait. I’m a patient man. 🙂

[@finlayc121]

Have you thought of making carbon props in this size range? They would be light and strong and probably make a world of difference. Great video!

[@Kabab]

They existed way back when. Just very expensive to make and extremely annoying to balance

[@nikfpv3456]

I'd love to see a nice light/strong canopy that has a clean way to mount diversity receiver antennas instead of having to zip tie to the arms.

[@Kabab]

The eachine twig canopy is it

[@DoRC]

Could you make a video with your betaflight setup tips for these? I'm not that great at bf and have a hard time getting my built toothpicks to fly well. I know that there are a lot of variables but a general guide would be really helpful.

[@Kabab]

I have a couple. I really really do not tune much. I just work the TPA more than anything. I think I did a video "PID tuning in 2019"

[@DoRC]

@@Kabab what version of bf do you run?

[@Leonn_.]

Can't wait for the 1S flight.

[@djs134]

About to watch, hope he mentions 3” 1s 🤞🏻

[@aldenhauser9555]

David FPV ur in luck!

[@tarkusxfpv8010]

same here !

[@peterzingler6221]

I did 5inch 1s lol those brushed quads with the gearing work pretty good for that. Install some 0803 and a beta FC and you can fly on a 18650 for 20 minutes

[@michaeljohnson6473]

I am hoping that you can help me. I remember there was a list of settings to change to stop the babytooth from wobbling everywhere.. I thought it was the BF 4.1 tuning notes, but can’t seem to find it now. It also said how to fix zero throttle wobbles too.. Do you have any idea where that info is??

[@Kabab]

Move back to 3.5.7. I've never found wtf that damn wobble is from

[@SirShadeSquamous]

Bob, I'm having high throttle vibration on my build which has rcinpower 1204s running HQ 3x2s on 3s. Should I mess with the TPA or just try lowering the pids? Feels locked in on low to mid throttle, just above 70-75% is having issues. Also noticed its absent when I use flat lipos with less punch.

[@Kabab]

Try adding tpa. Increase it to 0.60 and breakpoint to maybe 1320

[@SirShadeSquamous]

​@@Kabab That did the trick! Thanks Bob.

[@arsalantavallali5959]

Hey bob, i notice that you say both motors are 2mm shaft however I'm looking at the rcinpower 1204s now and the spec says they are 1.5mm shaft, so which is? You had a special version made for you?

[@Kabab]

Yes we had a special version. The 1303 is the one that's default now. It's universally better than the 1204.

[@davdaya]

TP5.. omg.. u r moving tat fast.. bob.. tats great.. can wait for tat..

[@Kabab]

na this is gonna be a novelty and I don't even expect it to work. Not sure it'll even be for sale

[@terminsane]

Any chance to get a version designed for battery straps? Or a battery sttap that can fit on this lol I absolutely love my tp3, its my favorite quad. But i go through more rubber (bands) than drift car drivers

[@johnrosner8964]

Thanks love your product I will buy some spare arms and a couple frames Thanks for the info

[@spartan-fpv6936]

Gday Bob, great info i think you are doing and have done great things for toothpicks and micros alike, the canopy from the eachine micro has a screw mounted fpv camera and your two cameras dont have screw mount holes, would i make that much difference to fit a nano camera like a runcam nano and a light weight vtx if your running a 3s, thank you for your vlogs mate.👍🛸🇦🇺

[@djs134]

Is that new 20amp betafpv board just overkill on these builds considering the extra weight for 2-3s?

[@Kabab]

Yeah I'd say so. No need for the extra cost.

[@djs134]

This is my first winter in the hobby and I’m so disappointed that 40 degrees temps are here and my lipos seem to drain significantly faster now. 🙁, guess whoop season is upon us in the midwest

[@Kabab]

fly the TP3 from inside the house :-D

[@tehllama42]

Concept - Build Video Contest. Whoever makes the best build video gets that link from the channel, and you can just send them parts from the next iteration so they can early adopt that for you.

[@Kabab]

I'm definitely planning on doing a variation of that. 😁

[@ChristKrew-Rev1.8]

Hey Bob.... are you guys going to be staying with the 1s platform? If so I was wondering if you guys are going to be making a board for it or at the very leas lay down the usb port and lay down the plugs for the motors. Again.... loving the micro's as it is opening more option with clubs and flying around our neighborhoods. Another thing.... as a new pilot you are so right on control. We have a quad with 1105 5000kv motors and they are so fast and want to get away from us and not cut corners like I see other quads do in the 3 inch platform. lol... and if you put out a 3" bnf 1s quad.... you will be taking my money..... I have to buy for two.... me and the kid.

[@Kabab]

I'm working on three boards for 1s right now. It's incredibly awesome

[@ChristKrew-Rev1.8]

@@Kabab outstanding!

[@M.Goofy23]

Just built my first 3 inch toothpick from a beat up Larva X. Put the electronics on the eachine twig frame with rcinpower 1207 6000kv motors but it gives me battery warnings after a few seconds of flight and is too powerfull so i run it on 70% throttle cut. Could a capacitor help with those warnings and maybe improve flight time a little or should i try with 1106 motors? My only source of parts is banggood and i cannot find smaller 12xx motors. Maybe just go down on the kv? Help me if you can. Tnx. running 450mah 3s batteries

[@Kabab]

A cap won't help. Those motors draw a ton of power. That's the issue

[@splugereport]

Just ordered your tp3!

[@Kabab]

Did you just order literally right now right now? We just left the warehouse and I saw the order come in. Tomorrow it will go out... 😑

[@bmw-upgradech1665]

glad I found this vide about 1s discussion :) - 100mm HX100 SE 2mm Frame 4.9g - Eachine Novice FC/ESC 3.3g - runcam nano3 1.1g - NamelessRC VTX 400mw 0.75g - VAS Whoop vtx antenna = 0.2g - HQ biblade 65mm prop 0.5*4=2g -1s 550mha 13.6g GNB - TBS nano 0.5g + custotm monopole antenna 0.4g direct solder =26.75 - 1103 motor, which one god knows ????? (3.8g aprox) =41.95 AUW with 550mha + hardware and canopy 4-5g = 46-47g for a long range 65mm if I get correct motor It should do 6min I believe. Hope it some what helpful to your purpose, or at least not a wast of your time :-) those are motors I consider - AMAX 1103 7500kv 1-2s 3.8g w/o cable - no tests of efficiency, butt quality is better than EMAX TH I think - TH1103 7000kv no weight info, about 3.9g w cable - proven to fly 5min on 1s I believe on TinyHawk, which is heaver than my build by about 20g!) - Eachine EX1103 7000kv 3.7g w/ cable - SUPER efficient, but were not tested against 2 above directly (same as HappyModel Larva X EX1103 7000kv? should work on 1s too?) - Xing Nano 1103 8000kv or/and 10000kv are also looking interesting considering they weight 3.6g - no efficiency test beside chart on website (which we all trust haha)

[@Kabab]

There's gonna be a lot about all this stuff coming up in a couple weeks.

[@bmw-upgradech1665]

@@Kabab now that is exciting news haha :D thanks man, love your channel - one of very few as a matter

[@JarredBaines]

Bob, big 3d printer enthusiast / kabab fpv fan here. I've had much more success using PLAflex for 3d printed canopies - as you say, tpu is way too cushy in a crash and has far too much give to properly protect components. PLAflex is flexible but not elastic, a key difference. It's also a fair bit stiffer and I feel it may even be slightly stronger than TPU in a typical drone crash. You should see if you can get a sample or HMU and I can hook you up 👍 highly recommend based on how you feel about TPU

[@Kabab]

Yeah definitely pla is better but it cracks. Moulded is best. That's what I'll be carrying

[@JarredBaines]

@@Kabab no no man! PLAflex is NOT PLA - it's misleading... It's "like" a pla tpu blend (but technically it's not), stiffer but with huge impact and shear resistance unlike PLA which is very brittle and has less shear strength. I've never broken a PLAflex part but it doesn't move as much as you in a crash either. While I've got you, this video was awesome BTW - one of your best rambles yet for sure! Thanks!

[@JustInTime0525]

2 vs 3 blades on 2.5 inch prop?

[@Kabab]

Depends on the motor really. 3 blade is a lot more load then 2 blade. It'll make the throttle feel dull

[@klavifon]

Geat video and a lot of very usefull info about the toothpick. At the end of the video you talked about motor KV but you only mentioned 3S. Would you be so kind and recommend motor KV for 2S power train? Thanks!

[@Kabab]

The 2s motors are actually on the way shortly. The 1303 5000kv are pretty darn good on 2S also albeit not quite as fast as 3S. Ideally something in the 7000-8000kv range is better for 2s

[@klavifon]

Thanks. Will RCinpower 1204 5000kv do the job? I have a bunch of 2S 450 mAh batteries lying at home... Eventually I will upgrade to 3S serup.

[@Kabab]

@@klavifon yeah those work well too

[@jackjohnson5024]

Hello, I have a tp3 with amax 1303 5000kv motors. Auw with a 520 3s lipo is around 110 grams. It is running betaflight 4.1. What should I use for a tune and filter setting on it? Thanks.

[@Kabab]

Use default Emuflight

[@jesperholm3290]

Just ordered TP3. Wanna run 2S 450/550mah and have some hglrc 1104-7500kv that I haven't used, so thought it might be a good match? Would you go for 1105 or 1303 for 2S or would it be near the same performance? Wanna go for the new betafpv 20a board and crossfire + unify pro32 to make to semi long range.

[@Kabab]

I wouldn't recommend 110X for anything more than 1S on 3" and only 1S because weight is paramount on 1S.

[@jesperholm3290]

@@Kabab isn't this the AIO board to go for? Have you tested it yet? betafpv.com/collections/brushless-flight-controller/products/toothpick-f4-20a-aio-brushless-flight-controller

[@kestermartinez]

whats the aio camera are you using on the tp3? is it the eachine tx03? can you give a link please? thanks!

[@Kabab]

Links are in the description of the video 💁🏻‍♂️

[@djs134]

Newbeedrone has a new mount coming out similar to that v2 but it holds 14x14 cameras like the runcam nano 2

[@Kabab]

I've got two mounts coming that are great options. one is 1.4g, another is 1.7g and super strong. Also looking forward to the NBD mount too.

[@djs134]

KababFPV awesome, did u say either of them fit your fav whoop camera? I did hear u meantioned the eachine one, which looks perfect for the nano size cameras

[@Kabab]

@@djs134 neither of them do sadly. So annoying.

[@djs134]

So is 11,000kv 1103 the sweet spot for 1s from what you’ve tested so far with 3” ? I mean if one of them companies makes a bnf I’ll just order one as long as they don’t go nuts adding weight just to check a few more boxes. If not, I’m definitely gonna build one

[@Kabab]

issue with 1s is weight. It's gotta be ultra light. 1103 can manage a 3" prop. Not well but it can and weighs 2g less than 1303 or 1204

[@ariafpv]

I dont have a TP3 but I still watch every video and dream about one xD

[@NoPro420]

Found you

[@ariafpv]

@@NoPro420 pls stop stalking me😂

[@NoPro420]

@@ariafpv no

[@michaeljohnson6473]

Are the 1204 motors more powerful than say a 1106 motor?? I was planning to use 1106’s but may use the 1204’s instead...

[@Kabab]

1106 was way more power hungry for me. Also not quite wide enough to manage a 3"

[@michaeljohnson6473]

KababFPV Thank you! I think I’ll try the 1204’s after all..

[@CHUCKIT]

Bob... Are any of the 16 x 16 Stacks worth a crap? 20 x 20? Pros and cons between the two? For 65mm.

[@Kabab]

I haven't found any 16x16 stacks that are worth anyones time. The iflight one is maybe the best options but the darn interboard pins kill it. 20x20 is too physically large and requires multiple boards which will make it taller and distribute the weight more. 65mm works fine on this frame but no real point when you can run 3" maybe

[@ChristKrew-Rev1.8]

Hey Bob... where do you get those rubber spacers from? I have been looking everywhere for them and can't seem to find them.

[@Kabab]

The ones that go in the FC? They're available on banggood and unfortunately it seems nowhere else

[@ChristKrew-Rev1.8]

@@Kabab Yea the solid ones on the TP3.

[@Kabab]

@@ChristKrew-Rev1.8 those are the rubber insets that come with the FC

[@ChristKrew-Rev1.8]

@@Kabab Thank you sir.... ordered some from banggood as I like those better than the super squishy kind or nylon spacers.

[@hallio111]

hey, interesting to hear that youre working on a DVR... thought about the diamond vtx/DVR, do you have any idea when yours will be available?

[@Kabab]

I should be getting the final prototypes this week so hopefully just another two weeks to full batch.

[@hallio111]

@@Kabab sounds good! I might wait another few weeks then..:) the diamond is really good already.. but I think we can count on you to bring out something better with a decent price too! :) can'T wait to see what you got!

[@hallio111]

@@Kabab will it have a mic? Idk if a mic makes sense with that high frequency motor noise.. but still better than the audio from my Dom V3s when I fly micros..it is complete garbage..would nice to have that option .. think mr. steele:) I know he does not fly anything whoop like.. and the missing mic on all the whoop vtx's may be one of the reasons why...:) first whoop vtx/DvR with mic? would be awesome.

[@Kabab]

@@hallio111 it will but not gonna be that useful probably

[@muhkuh0816]

i loved your toothpick guides on the kababfpv site, and maybe there is a chance to get a tp3 BF setup guide ;)

[@Kabab]

there's someone working on one

[@MariomasterNSMBHD]

Did you ever try running Betaflight 4.1 with RPM filters on a TP? There is a BLHeli_S replacement firmware that allows it.

[@Kabab]

I haven't gotten around to testing it but whatever firmware is on any board I throw on a TP3 it flies amazing.

[@SpikeJonesTheCr0oked]

I have Jflight JEsc /beta 4.1 RC6 /rpm filters running on an equivalent build. It flies awesome. Motors stay super cool. It wasn't that hard to setup. Try it.

[@throttlenerd]

Hey man thanks, God bless you! I want a 1mm frame, do I have to wait or it’s uncertain when FPV Cycle will stock them and 1.5mm is also okay? Just want to follow your idea of minimal weight 🤓

[@Kabab]

the 1.5mm is gonna stay by popular demand. It's 0.9g more....I'm alright with that. I'm working on a minor adjustment to the design to optimize it for 1.5mm in the next batch.

[@throttlenerd]

@@Kabab Superb! How do we all know when this "next optimized batch" is in the store?

[@chrispfligler5892]

You have a link for the aio cam you recommend? I agree most of them are at least as good as any micro cams considering weight penalties. If only they were 100mw.

[@Kabab]

I'm working on making a new nano cam but links to the whoop standalone is in the description I believe.

[@chrispfligler5892]

Awesome can’t wait! I’ll look again. Thanks and keep up the good work

[@vollpfosten5249]

Cant wait for the TP5 =D

[@ronsanocki639]

Since we're getting technical here,.. Not a flock. They would be a Murder of crows. ;)

[@MrLoomis110]

What recommendation do you have for an actually AIO board to run with t-motor F13 5000kv? This ist my first project since around 4 years and it confuses me a bit.

[@Kabab]

The tuneRC poly AIO board is among the best options however if you stay away from betaFPV, hglrc, happymodel and various unknown brands, you'll be fine.

[@MrLoomis110]

@@Kabab The TuneRC board seems to be a good option for what you get. In my case is availability and service the problem. I life in Germany and the most shops run out off stuff, also it’s only a hand full left in the last years. Betafpv, Aikon are here in Germany one off the most available boards. Best for value could be Betafpv….. F405 V4 and F411 V5. What would you choose in my situation?

[@Kabab]

@@MrLoomis110 betaFPV is fine except that their boards literally catch fire from time to time and failure's are a regular thing. As long as it doesn't stop working, it's fine. Aikon is so much more expensive but does not have a 100% QC rate either however it is drastically better. I would personally probably go for the betaFPV if I had no other options because I just have a hard time paying such extravagant prices for these things. That being said, the aikon may end up being cheaper in the long run. Realistically, I'd recommend ordering from Banggood. I hate to recommend them but their shipping is drastically cheaper than ordering from the USA or anywhere else thanks to the Chinese government subsidizing it.

[@michaeljohnson6473]

Which frame do you suggest for a 1S, 3 inch build?? I am having a hard time finding one light as I want.. I am finding 65mm frames everywhere. It seems all the 3 inch frames are made for 3S.

[@Kabab]

The one that should be delivered today and in the FPVCycle.com store tonight...

[@michaeljohnson6473]

KababFPV wow I am very glad I asked you today? Perfect thank you

[@michaeljohnson6473]

KababFPV I am waiting for your 1S frame to go on FPVcycle. What motors are you using on 1S? Are those going to go on to fpvcycle also?? Thank you for your time, Mike

[@Kabab]

@@michaeljohnson6473 motors are coming likely next week. Frames are stuck in customs. Might be delivered tomorrow hopefully.

[@michaeljohnson6473]

KababFPV great, I am waiting to buy them.. One last question sorry, are the frames for 3S coming in the same shipment?? I need one of those as well.. Thank you for answering all my questions, Mike

[@HomeDronen]

This is the question that I asked; I have the Sailfly x kit, and I only want to build it with good parts which one of these boards, motors, canopy and Cam do you recommend for it, or direct me to one of your fabulous builds with the Sailfly x ...Thanks for sharing!

[@HomeDronen]

WOW, I was hoping you could help me with this one...Thanks any way!

[@HomeDronen]

I have the Sailfly x and I would like to know what FC boards, canopy and Cam would you recommend for a pretty decent build ..Thank you!

[@Clif_Brown]

When with the cool FPVcycle 1204 and 1303 motors be available again?

[@Kabab]

next week the 1303 'should' be in stock. the 1204 should come around the 29th. ultimately we're at the will of the manufacturer.

[@Clif_Brown]

@@Kabab Thanks for the update! Great video.

[@kVarfpv]

I always learn so much here 😊👍

[@miguelt.7997]

Just tried 1202 motors, you are so right, not good for anything, the extra power compared to 1103, is barely enough to carry the weight difference.

[@bobotley1172]

Hey Bob ,what is your opinion on the kv for a 2s 3 inch?

[@Kabab]

2s is fine for 3" but the overall load is higher than the 2.5" setup so 3S will hold up to the load better. You'll just feel a bit of sag on 2S and almost none on 3S

[@rawpicsfpv3516]

For some reason the colors on my Diamond DVR look really weird and kinda neon-contrasty... Also everytime i point my RunCam nano 2 from sky to the ground, the picture gets kinda white / milky and washed out for a Short time. Is that how the camera performes?

[@Kabab]

This kind of happens with all of the cameras that have that HDR effect. Are you sure it's the nano2 and not the nano racer?

[@rawpicsfpv3516]

@@Kabab yeah 100%. Is there anything i can do?

[@Kabab]

@@rawpicsfpv3516 try using it outside in the sun and see if it still does it?

[@adamhasan7370]

Like these types of vids (but I still love your flying more)

[@brandohim]

The inverted tab for sbus on my board is dead. Can’t get it to communicate w controller.

[@docktercolin]

So far the Rcinpower 1204 5000kv motors are good although I wish they would have gone a little higher in kv. I run them in a 68g rig with 3s 450mah and 2.5" Avans. The low end authority is awesome but the top end is a little lacking.

[@Kabab]

Increasing the kv would make the top and even worse. what you are stealing is a prop that is too much for the motors to manage you still get great low end but as the props gain rpm it becomes exponentially harder for the motor to push them. This is why I've stuck to twin blades. The throttle feel is fantastic across the whole range. I also just finished working on tri blade gym fan that should be coming out in the next couple of weeks. It makes the micro class perform absolutely insane. kzbin.info/www/bejne/g6e6aHeviKh6prM

[@SirCrashaLot]

1207 does sound sweet for T mount style super fast 3” racer. Maybe I need to check high cell count lipos and match low Kv, quality high cell 20x20 stacks are available. Hmn

[@Kabab]

I've found the taller micro motors to be really super high amp draw

[@HomeDronen]

I was hoping that you could help me with my question about the Sailfly x frame kit......Thanks!

[@Kabab]

Which question ? Maybe I missed?