TrackIR & iRacing with no virtual mirror! | MX5 at Rudskogen

[@bartylobethal8089]

As a VR user, I like the moving around. It's more natural than a fixed-screen view.

[@jesper.ordrup]

Free alternative: Opentrack + Aitrack+ your webcam. Got inspired by your last video and found this alternative that works 100%. Coming from using VR for 3 years it does take some time to get used to but after 5-6 hours training its starting to feel right. Im almost sure its a keeper

[@nikolaihowley]

You don't need AITrack anymore either. Can just set the Opentrack input to the Neuralnet tracker and handle everything in the one app. Seems smoother on my end that way

[@jesper.ordrup]

@@nikolaihowley thanks man. Will try that!!!

[@Ripperx121]

I use this method with a logitech camera. I didn't like the feeling of being blind with VR. Couldn't see my wheel and I just couldn't use it long. The camera method does work well. I have a ultrawide screen though.

[@legend_mode3454]

@@Ripperx121 hello could you show me a tutorial to follow? But then can I use the camera for both track IR and streaming? Thank you

[@dieterracing]

Hi, i also tested Opentrack and I got a little bad. What are your settings?

[@clintbeacock7663]

I think it really adds to the content. It basically allows us to see what you're looking at without you doing the GoPro thing. I also like that I can see when/under what circumstances you're checking your mirrors. It's a subtle way of picking up on the driving habits of others, but it's useful to me, as a pretty novice racer (if that makes sense)

[@dililloc123]

Babe, wake up a new Dave Cam video dropped!

[@studlydudly]

Never has an MX driver looked so cool.

[@Rich_Jamison]

Like the view from the Track iR as a viewer. No issues. Love having me another lunchtime DC video!

[@phillupson8561]

I'm liking the track ir content, keep up the good work.

[@TheFrontyer]

Excited for your opinion on trackIR, have no space for triples so this may be a good comprimise. I find these videos more enjoyable then triple screen content, as we get to see more of what youre seeing.

[@ChristDillingerBetter]

Have you considered VR? I don't have space for triples either, VR is a godsend.

[@TheFrontyer]

@@ChristDillingerBetter I have, but I am a student, so I defiently cant afford upgrade my computer and buy the VR equipment. Way too expensive for me right now.

[@MrAsus4870]

VR is interesting but it also requires very good pc

[@Daz5Daz]

@@MrAsus4870Depending on display selection triples can be even harder on the system than VR.

[@martinberg3970]

​@@Daz5Dazbut not track ir

[@seebarry4068]

Im going from vr to a TV with track ir. Like your settings, seem very natural.

[@exponentialbet6292]

It adds to the vids, as I can see when and where you're looking into the apex.

[@doug_vickers]

Nice racing Dave. I'm enjoying TRACK IR with the trucking as it is so much better than having the 2 virtual mirrors on screen. I can't get it to work in iRacing for some reason as it just wants to look down and left all the time. I don't mind the slight movenment on the screen but it may not be to everyones liking. Keep them coming. 👍

[@chanonmotheral8031]

Another great vid Dave. My PC is lower spec with a 1660 super and I5 10400F I have always raced on a single screen. With my PC I am able to run Iracing on a single screen with almost maxed out settings excepting I use virtual mirrors and have all other mirrors off. I tend to hover in the 2.7 to 3.1 k Irating range after 2 years, which is decent, but I think I can exceed that. Over the last year I have come to the conclusion that for me to progress I will need to be able to have better spatial awareness. Too many times I am involved in incidents that whether my fault or the other driver, could have been avoided if I could just see the relationship of my car to theirs. Space in my home is very limited. In fact I’m lucky to have a wife so understanding that she allows space for my rig at all, so triples or ultrawides are a no go. My options are VR or IR head track. I opted for VR and purchased a 2nd hand Rift S. It took many hours to find settings that at least offer a decent experience, but I did finally get it to a level that I am enjoying. The VR experience is incredible. My PC can only run it barely. The visual clarity of the monitor is superior. The immersion of VR is superior. Really looking forward to your conclusions on IR head tracking. Could I have the best of both worlds without shelling out near 2k$ for a PC that will run VR to my expectations? Look forward to your conclusions vid. Thanks mate for all you do for the Sim Racing community.

[@davecamyt]

I agree, vr is amazing, but comes at a cost. 🫤

[@iva_cramp]

I think it adds to the vids Dave , a more natural look ahead thru the corners ( anything else is better than single screen view ), thanks, keep it up 👍

[@paromanin]

agreed, even if he never uses it for competitive racing, adding it to the videos is great

[@daviderb3184]

I've been using Track IR , mostly in flight sims, since the first version and I like it for those sims. . I used to use it in iRacing but did not set it up when I returned to iRacing a couple of years ago. Daves Nurburgring video inspired me to dig out the Track IR 5 and retry it. I found that it works best (for me!) if only the yaw and pitch axis were enabled with pretty low curves and a small deadzone on center just to keep it from being too jittery. It does add an element of immersion particularly spotting apex but I have 2 main objections to it when used in iRacing. One is the personal preference of not liking wearing a hat (too sweaty). The other bigger issue is that Track IR is a head tracker rather than an eye tracker. Normally when driving in real life all I need to check my review mirror is a glance rather than a head turn as seen in Dave video above. I will keep using the virtual mirror because of that though I'll give the Track IR a longer trial.

[@leetrell1705]

This is really great content Dave. I've been looking into getting a face tracking software as an alternative. Also the Fanatec shifter you recommended me has already shipped. Really excited to get it. Thanks for the great videos!

[@Deniz1923]

I gave my old trackIR a try about a month ago on iracing, but couldn't wrap my head around how to set it just right, and gave up. Initially, it felt a bit faster and more natural to drive with, but my issue was, I couldn't get a proper setting that allowed consistent centering, and at the dominant hours I played, the sun made things difficult. With that said, I'm all ears now, and looking forward to your settings. I'll definitely give it another shot ! As for the viewer experience, I definitely do think it adds to it - seeing corner apexes/exits is better for the viewers IMO Dave. On a side note, I seemed to have missed you, by a couple of races yet again 😅

[@davecamyt]

Just a little.more testing then I'll be able to say either way 😁

[@Azdag070]

Good going there sir, I have been using my pro clip for the track Ir and my triples for some time. But like you said I turned mine down real low and don't do to bad. I can see way farther through the corner then before I started. The most I use is about 10.5 ~15 % max both directions looking left or right.

[@MrgreggllesRacing]

Splendid video would really love to see your trackir settings/profile. Your tracking seems more natural than mine

[@davecamyt]

I'll do a final video with my settings and I'll share my profile 👍

[@meawayfromhome]

Hi Dave, yes this is a good combo to race. Track ir looks very interesting, looking forward to your non review 🤣

[@BigMeanyVids]

I love my VR Dave but you inspired me to try Track IR again and I'm loving it. I recently picked up a 42" Oled as my sim rig display and it's nice to be able to use it more effectively as TrackIR is very reliable so far. I might not use if for iRacing where VR is pretty smooth for me but rFactor2 which I've been getting back into really is poor in VR but quite gorgeous on the Oled so I prefer the monitor. Don't have room for triple screen really and always preferred the 4k so the Oled + TrackIR is a great combo.

[@joey_wolfslayer8818]

Hey Dave, I’d be interested in seeing some wider angle, over the shoulder footage with a focus on YOUR pov to show case your triple set up! 😁

[@ccgjeremy7397]

Rudskogen is such an amazing track in the mx5's!

[@TobyDixon-o2q]

Very challenging at times, great once you're adapted too it though

[@agmos01]

I've always used a VR headset. So, I most definitely think TrackIR adds to the whole experience. 👍

[@chrismathewsjr]

nice to see i'm not the only one taking a huge FPS hit at the line on Rudskogen

[@GillesGPH]

Well i have a update. First official gt3 race with the trackir and i was on pole to finish p3 without a fault with the bmw. This thing is now can i say making me a faster with seconds. I use it on a 49inch samsung one on one with a bit of deadzone. Best helpfull purchase i did.

[@aviator1352]

The moving around doesn't seem to bother me like I thought it would. Looking forward to your overall opinion on the system. Cheers mate.

[@matthewbyrd398]

So tempted to buy and try Track IR! Just hate to blow the $150 if I don't like it.

[@davidlein2438]

I'm not sure how that guy survived that. As a rookie in road races, I did this race yesterday. I was low 1:40s and seeing you just smash a 1:35 on lap one is incredible haha

[@candyman1800r]

Practice practice practice repetition makes you faster

[@TrickyDicky77]

Looking forward to your final thoughts on TrackiR. Have you tried the TrackiR with triples on or does it only work with one monitor?

[@davecamyt]

It will work with triples 👍

[@spud3746]

I think it adds to the viewers' enjoyment, mine anyway. Looking forward to your views on TrackIR. I hope they are positive, even if you think 3 screens is better, as I don't want to make the space for 3 screens, plus I assume that is a far more expensive solution than TrackIR overall for the casual 'simmer'.

[@olafwolfen4167]

Awesome content Dave. Since you had ultrawide in the past can you add that to a mini ranking in your next vid for triple vs trackir. I tried trackir with single and didn’t like keeping my head centered even with large dead zone and really enjoyed upgrade to UW without trackir.

[@crazyoliver7877]

19:38 Good stuff!

[@Swiftmonkey]

Good drive Dave! Do you have all of the RaceLab overlays on your screen while driving or are you streaming some of them instead? Also, what earbuds are you using? I think I want to switch to earbuds for longer stints and am looking for recommendations lol

[@davecamyt]

No, I only have a few of the elements on screen. What I see is what you see although I have my iracing black box behind my face cam. These are the IEM' s. I use 👍 amzn.to/3qtaAG3

[@florianmaslofski]

another option for a similar effect as track ir for the video only might be to record all 3 screens and then use an eye tracker to shift the 16:9 view around in post, but i guess the monitors angle adjustment would make it look weird

[@faduf2047]

Great video 👍 How do you setup the sound to have so much back fire noise from the car exhaust?

[@tonybracing3255]

Have you tried triples with TrackiR?... I use this system without virtual mirror. My go to setup. Its a great compromise instead of VR. Good peripheral vision and head tracking.

[@raymondwagner3509]

Dave, where are your TrackIR settings? I ordered the TrackIR 5 and i want to try your settings 🙂

[@davecamyt]

#soon 😁

[@FATGUYRacing143]

I prefer triples I think I use the Racelab radar overlay and it’s a huge help for me….great video

[@LV426TravelAdvisor]

Definitely adds to the experience, kinda tempted….

[@LukeVesty]

I'd be curious to know what trackir is like on a super ultra wide.

[@Username_Invalid]

That’s what I use and is very immersive. Wider fov than vr and much better resolution.

[@willdarling1]

While you have it set up - try turning off the 3 rotation axis, and just use the 3 position ones (at 1:1 scale) Really enjoyed this on my triples - 'feels' like VR with nothing on your face!

[@MrMiniPilote]

Can you put the sensors on your glasses instead of a hat? It looks very good. Thanks for the content.

[@davecamyt]

That would be a great idea

[@GillesGPH]

Well you made me buy a trackir. Love it allready only need to get used to it. Brain need to make other calculations and muscle memory but it wil get better i gues. Im as fast as before only more prone to spin with the more powerful cars.

[@Racing69]

I think for driving triple screens are better. But for a video it looks more natural than the fixed front fiew of the middle screen. But at last all your content ist great so do what you feel. 👍🏼

[@ramborigs]

9:06 That was an odd moment. I wonder how often that happens. I'm assuming it was due to the TrackIR somehow

[@davecamyt]

Yes, could easily be my lighting or maybe the colours on the hat. I'll try a couple more hats 😁

[@Deniz1923]

@@davecamyt Dave, I use headphones like you used to have in your older videos, and you can attach the track clip into the middle of the headband, depending on the shape and the thickness. I threw in some tape to be extra safe tho 😅

[@cafepuschkin3955]

I think it looks great! But then I can't easily remember what it used to look like?! It would be nice to see direct comparisons, either side-by-side or one-after-the-other to get a clearer idea. Surely the only down side is missing the wordless stare at camera, that obviously speaks a 1000 words! Nice racing anyway!

[@markbagley9194]

Yes it basically ends up being a bit of a combination of the GoPro vids you used to do with POV. I think we miss being able to view what's going on behind though -maybe if you have the Picture in Picture also -not sure if that is a lot more hassle for you though

[@Vanbasten10Gaming]

Not sure if you look like a miner or a raver 😂, great insight into the possible though as always 👊

[@joelm.artins]

Isn't it weird to move the neck to the sides but have to keep the eyes on the same spot looking at the screen? Is it like that or am I missing something? For us the viewers I think it's pretty cool!

[@brianl1049]

I personally found it very distracting and unnatural when I had my track IR with my curved 34” screen. I ended up not using it.

[@VMVarge]

Dave, I assume you are going to use trackir with the triples too?

[@markwiffen8715]

What are you looking at when you turn your head wearing these? Looks like you have to move your head but keep your eyes looking at the screen?

[@davecamyt]

I look where I know the mirror will be if I move my head if that makes sense. Like when I look in the rear view mirror I look towards the top left of the monitor and it's there. Takes a little getting used to but quite natural after a while.

[@agmos01]

Dave, I think I was on a race with you earlier today (10AM your time)? Not sure it was the real you though because the car colors were totally different... 👍

[@staceybertran52]

Can you use Track IR with triples ? One screen is too weird for me.

[@martinberg3970]

This track and the mx5 are the easiest combination for me😂 having a hard time with the others just started tho

[@ninimaxx_heimkino]

@Dave Cam: Would you say that TrackIR with a 49 Widescreen could be a good alternative for a triple 27?

[@davecamyt]

Yes definitely 👍

[@tetley3737]

Have you tried Tobii Eye Tracker? With Tobii Eye Tracker you don't need to wear a hat and reflectors, and it also can track your eye movements.

[@davecamyt]

Yes I've tried it but it mounts to the bottom of the monitor and the signal gets blocked with the wheel

[@tetley3737]

@@davecamyt you can also mount it to the top

[@manic_miner]

While Track-IR works great for me in flight sims, something feels really off in iRacing. Glancing left/right is fine but when the head position moves back to the centre, I feel disoriented. I think it might be because our eyes move independently to our heads which move independently of the car. Hard to explain but I wish I could figure out a solution as VR can be uncomfortable and on a flat screen, I'm missing the natural looking into corners. @dave cam - would love to know why you decided to stop using Track-IR?

[@trevortwyman6247]

Well Dave,, i like it,,, its like we are with ya, and see what you see,, spot on mucker,,,

[@vincentpienaar9740]

I love the VR.

[@RYVENANT]

Dave-- do you use the Coach Dave setups or tune your own?

[@davecamyt]

If I can get a CDA setup ill use it. Much better than anything I could ever come up with. Although, this was a fixed iracing setup so couldn't change anything 👍

[@phippsa3]

Track IR seems better for content creation for sure

[@richmurphy8337]

What are you driving on you rig these days Dave?

[@FizznastyRacing]

So after watching this video I decided to dust mine trackIR off and give it another go, I'm being put into my split P1 before qualifying now.

[@devlifedotnet]

I'd kinda like to know if there's a benefit to it WITH triple monitors.

[@Username_Invalid]

Don’t have triples but it lets you feel connected to car, meaning you can tilt your head slightly and even glance to look into the turn. It would be set very minor for tripples but I couldn’t help but think it would feel much more connected. I use it with super ultrawide.

[@carlobagnoli6746]

I kinda prefer trackIR for videos, shame you can't use the 3 monitors but it gives a lot more information to the viewers.

[@regibson23]

Track IR confuses me so much. So you move your head to the side and that causes the camera to move. But that means you have to move your eyes the opposite way to keep your eyes on the screen?

[@davecamyt]

If you have subtle movement it's actually pretty good 👍

[@RacingWithChuck27]

The “arcade” mirror 😮Why not drive on the roof also

[@rayjubb8726]

I get that if you look to your right or left it’ll show you what’s there, but it’s still physically directly in front of you so you’re having to turn your head while you keep looking forward. Seems very unnatural to me. Can’t see what it could add to a triple monitor set up other than the quirk of having movement synced to your head. But then you have to wear the tracker thing. Loving the vids as per, Dave. But I’m looking forward to you going back to trips 😂

[@Jump83]

Dave could you try trackir on an oval for us ? Thanks and nice vid !

[@davecamyt]

I'll try 😁

[@HughMessenger]

I love my TrackIR and G9. I can't use VR, so this is the closest I can get.

[@JC_303]

What wheel is that Dave? Seen youve had it for a few vids now. Looks like a VPG?

[@davecamyt]

This is the Grid Porsche RSR 👍

[@JC_303]

@@davecamyt very nice, not a cheap bit of kit is it haha

[@davecamyt]

Haha, no it isn't 😳

[@JC_303]

@@davecamyt but it is very pretty. How useful is the screen on iRacing?

[@SteelRiverSims]

I think it's a nice addition and adds to the immersion but the little glitches I've seen are enough to cancel that out in my opinion 🤷‍♂️ Great race though, gonna have a crack at this one myself this week 👍

[@davecamyt]

I think that's my lighting and the hat colours tbh. I'll try a few different hats 😁

[@SteelRiverSims]

@@davecamyt 🤣 Bucket hat? Headband?

[@davecamyt]

Now your talking 😁

[@richardchristy5408]

Is there a referral link for this product?

[@davecamyt]

No, just Google TrackIR 👍

[@richardchristy5408]

@@davecamyt I will DuckDuckGo. But thank you. :D

[@ChrisCheeseBrown]

Little mazda looks more rapid than I remember.

[@CharlesK441]

2:34 Shame coach Dave doesn't do MX5 setups. Unless I'm mistaken

[@Lucasdelima04]

Does TrackIR impacts perfomance somehow? I want one but dont want to overheat my laptop

[@eltranza3590]

can you share your track ir profile for iracing ??

[@jean-lucgoudreault6228]

Tryed track ir yesterday, gave me motion sickness lol not for me

[@SosaKinkos]

TrackIR failed so hard for my setup. At least for the camera I used it had a tough time following me

[@candyman1800r]

I only every ,drive iracing using std car mirrors with 27" triples,but I'm VR now bloody hot I think I'm sticking with it feels realler to me ,I don't think that's a word 😂

[@davecamyt]

It might not be a real word, but I know exactly what you mean 😁

[@candyman1800r]

@@davecamyt safety rating ,wait til we get rain, you can kiss that good by then ,it's so much harder to get it than lose it.

[@alltheboost5363]

I really like the ir tracking. I just think 159 is pricy. I would probably buy it @ 89 or 99 but I would have to convince the wife and that would take time. but @ 59, I would have already bought it.

[@RatsoFatso]

Don’t mind the movement of the screen at all. When you check your mirrors I’d like to see it.i said gaggle right before you did! Great Minds! Lol

[@PebelWasTaken]

If you are gonna use the mirrors please move your face cam up so we can see the driver side mirror.

[@davecamyt]

I'm not sure what you mean

[@PebelWasTaken]

@@davecamyt when you looked over to the left to check your driver side mirror it was blocked by your face cam so we couldn't see what you were looking at :)

[@davecamyt]

Ahhh, I see what you mean 😁

[@stephen5736]

Y not use on triples DC?

[@davecamyt]

I'll be testing it but I can't see the point with correctly setup triples 👍

[@stephen5736]

Thankyou I was wondering it could enhance the depth perception? But seeing I don't have a rig. It was from mainly viewing yourself.

[@prosperow]

doesn't bother me looks real nice race

[@DC_F1]

TrackIR wouldn't work for me I move around loads in my seat - leaning round corners 😂😂

[@kidMclean]

It's great for the driver but as a spectator not so much

[@Kultivater]

I don't usually comment much on your videos. I started watching them a couple years ago when I got into iRacing, for the GT3 track guides. Personally I'm a VR racer. I race exclusively in VR, and can't stomach pancake racing. Whether it be triple screen or not, VR destroys it in terms of realism. If you have a good, high resolution headset(like the HP Reverb G2), the picture quality is almost the same. Track IR seems to help the pancakes in this area, but it still can't compete with VR, so I definitely won't be using it.

[@SerialDriver]

I don't get the point of moving your head but your eyes have to move to track the screen. Seems so unnatural. Just play vr, and also you will get real depth perception

[@oliese]

same, i think the iracing option to look into the apex and other movements when loosing the rear is more natural

[@Username_Invalid]

It’s very natural, and you don’t even have to think about it once setup. Pros - much higher resolution - zero performance hit - better for content making - can look into the apex and check sides - no fatigue - higher fov with a super ultra wide -more consistent for me than vr, don’t have to reset head position Cons- No depth - less immersion I use both but find myself using TrackIr more lately.

[@oliese]

@@Username_InvalidWith a wideangle monitor sure, but with a 16:9 one you cant check the mirrors because you run out of screen turning the head

[@davecamyt]

I'm using a 16-9 and I do it just fine 😁

[@Dirty20Gaming]

I like the idea of TrackIR but the hat puts me off. When I drive I sweat like a cold beer on a hot day as it is. Add a hat and I'd be dripping on the tech in no time lol

[@davecamyt]

I've got the track clip pro, but that's just an extra wire clipped to a headset I don't really use that often. This way I can use my usual headphones 😁

[@leopoldsteneras8949]

*Rudskogen

[@davecamyt]

Teamwork makes the dream work 👊

[@jasenhenry]

its not a sim racing video if they dont mention cold tires

[@mrsdavecam]

1st 😂

[@Robin_S78]

Grass Monkey is cheaper and more practical than TrackIr

[@winkiiiie]

this video shows how shitty Iracing "safety" rating. You ran an (almost) perfect race and still lost .1 SR and the one time that you could have actually got an SR penality, you didnt get one. iRacing team is sooooo lazy with that no fault system