Trackmania Player Reacts To Controversial New Strategy Causes Havoc In Trackmania!

[@Sleepyhead080808]

At least 8 inputs? ok brb spamming air brake

[@jarzz3601]

wirtual jumpscare

[@mariusmeyer3243]

That's also the main problem with the rise of AI in general: Humans often dont like thinking on their own and just replicate whatever someone else did to achieve something similar. While this is a basic survival strategy (i.e. don't eat this berry because your buddy just died after doing so), with AI it starts to snowball like crazy. I'm seeing this daily in my work (at university) when doing research or looking at other people's work like student's theses. More and more people just resort to AI doing the work and don't show any effort besides asking "someone else" to think. While this can be a mighty TOOL, it shouldn't lead to stop thinking at all, because like this, you don't develop skills, you just copy what others did without understanding any of the basics behind it, leaving you completely helpless when having to do something completely new. With Trackmania tools, it's the same, you suddenly get loads of people who are pretty decent at the game, but as soon as something new drops, there's just a few people left actually putting in the work (and also having the fun of discovering new stuff), while everone else feeds off of their effort.

[@bluwlvrine]

This kind of AI isn't thinking though. It's just brute forcing a solution.

[@High_Rate136]

@@bluwlvrine Is that not what all AI is? It is just an iterative process until a result is reached that matches expected solution?

[@Deebus]

@@High_Rate136no AI is different

[@goodgamer-yf2il]

I do not think it was AI. You wouldn't need to use AI if all you were doing was feeding inputs into the game and then checking if the course was completed. That same task could be completed by just running through a list of all possible sequences of 1-frame inputs for a given length. Ie. making a list of all combinations of 8 inputs and trying each one.

[@melchiorr508]

I literally had the same idea with a guitar hero chart like a year ago, where you look at the guitar hero gameplay instead of trackmania, but making the chart was way more difficult than it sounds, so I left the idea

[@freja3187]

he sounds like an ai generated voice was surpriced it was a real person speaking

[@Lightmoon-_]

but his videos are interesting :p

[@larrymccandless8723]

'You shouldn't be trying to win using tools for an equipment advantage. Because it simply defeats the purpose of competition.' Is a completely false statement. Every competition evolves. High jump competitors used to jump in a completely different way, until the equipment used could soften the landing. Runners had heavy shoes until the equipment developed to the point where lightweight shoes are the norm. I feel this is in the same category. Unless you can PROVE a human didn't directly control the inputs to the keyboard/joystick/wheel the records count.

[@aguywithgames3135]

This is a little different from IRL sports, don’t you think? I get what you’re saying, but the simple fact that you control an entirely separate entity that can only make mistakes when you do kinda requires a different perspective.

[@gothfalcon]

I like that they are planning to give a new leaderboard. That is a very good compromise

[@bobbythebuilder7109]

@jnic have you see the video of the AI learning to play TM? You gotta do a react on that one brotha

[@juneydapps8042]

completely agree with u jnic

[@bobbythebuilder7109]

What a fucky day for me to watch this... todays totd is llehtarE ft' saghzs.. am thinking alot of you that watch jnic and tm content on yt are gonna know the track.. im still quite new to the game so my times wont be nearly as good as many of you that read this.. but the first grass section on todays map, seemed like the fastest way thru it was a good line and least amount of steering as possible.. ie. low input strat?

[@greenstonegecko]

I know the main argument for NOT banning it is "it was preformed by a human"... But the route and turns were still invented by a computer. You aren't showing any skill by replicating whatever a computer told you to do. Imo it should be banned because it lacks human decision-making. If you aren't making the choices then why should you be allowed to compete against other humans? Go play with the other TAS'ers.

[@Freakmaster480]

Trackmania has used brute for algorithms for routing in the past.

[@MozzarellaWizard]

@@Freakmaster480 And that's not a problem. People still drive the tracks without the precision of TAS, and example being e02, or Hockolicious

[@vectorlua8081]

@@MozzarellaWizard Laughs in Hock.

[@lilbullet158]

I played TM for years. right back to the days of ESWC _("Gentlemen Start Your Engines")_ when I got the game on a free disc on a PC magazine. Then moved to Nations... Then to United... I've created 1,000's of maps, had 100's of Awards, under Dozens of different names; in fact, I'm pretty sure some of the maps I created years ago are still being played (which is a bit freaky). I actually gave up the game because of all the Cutting Nonsense. It ruined the game for me. And 'YES' it is *"CHEATING...!"*

[@kyledavis2873]

When tf did jnic turn from trackmania dude to trackmania daddy?

[@3msEEv]

How 'bout you link the actual video? Edit: Thanks!

[@sk8erJG95]

He gives you the exact title and the creator...you can manage the small amount of work it takes to type it in yourself, I'd hope.

[@3msEEv]

@@sk8erJG95 It's not about how smart I am about these things. He took someone else's content and made his own from it. At least make it as friction-less as possible to watch the original content. If he actually provides additional value people won't switch to the original video anyway.

[@MozzarellaWizard]

He did

[@3msEEv]

@@MozzarellaWizard Thanks for letting me know. I did an edit.