Tractor Configurations | Compact Tractor Buyers Guide Part #2

[@johncarlos7810]

Imagine how hard it would make it if all salesmen were of this caliber. Great job!

[@benjamincoulehan2239]

100% best presentation on KZbin. Very well done!

[@clcphoto]

I wonder how many Kubotas Messick's sells for other, less professional and lazier dealers. I know I've bought two locally from a dealer who didn't seem to know the first thing about the tractors they were selling. Thanks Messick's!

[@MessicksEquip]

A lot.

[@Nerfamus]

​@@MessicksEquip I would make my next tractor purchase from you in a heartbeat, but 9 hours is a long way to drive.

[@Morpheen999]

I wasn't sure about additional hydraulics, But I opted to get everything right away and put it in the finance cost.. and I'm glad i did!! Dual rear remotes are great between a hydraulic top link and chute rotate on the snowblower, and hydraulic angle on my blade those get used a lot! And i ended up getting a Grapple so the third function is a must!

[@wildbill23c]

I wish I would have with my BX2680. Being new to tractors, I let my salesman talk me out of the 3rd function kit and a set of rear remotes, wish I wouldn't have listened.

[@matthewm8021]

@@wildbill23c the rear remote kit on the BX is BX2419. It was about $400 when I bought mine a few years ago and it takes about 4 hours to install on your own if you have basic mechanical ability.

[@wildbill23c]

@@matthewm8021 Can you run a 3rd function kit and a rear remote, or is it just one or the other? I'm waiting for my dealer to get my 3rd function kit in so they can install it ($1200-1300 for the kit plus install)....eventually I'd like to have a rear remote as well, but can this tractor have both?

[@matthewm8021]

@@wildbill23c I didn’t have both, but I believe you can.

[@pyroman6000]

Those ballast options won't seem so expensive the first time you pick your drives up off the ground, or the tractor gets squirrly on sloped or uneven terrain. LOTS cheaper than a hospital stay, a funeral, or a new tractor. Weight can also be important when running many types of powered trail-behind equipment. It's not fun when your hay mower, or loaded wagon is pushing YOU around, instead of the opposite. That's one reason that when you step up into full on AG utility tractors, that they are so much heavier- even at the same or fewer horsepower. That, and it helps with traction. Some good explanations, Neil. Thank you!

[@vintageMIDI]

When I look for tractor details and solid, useful implement advice.... this is the channel I come to first. Thanks for explaining it all so well.

[@jGoodloejr]

Well done Neil! Good presentation.

[@tangydiesel1886]

Weights can add a lot of performance. Stability, loader capacity, and traction are helped greatly by proper ballast.

[@Skynd303]

Great job buddy!! Sell your honesty and not the product! Would love to meet you someday!

[@joshroten3997]

Very informative for a newbie like me. I wish there was a Messick’s closer to where I live (near Bristol, TN).

[@A..n..d..y]

If you get a chance, could you do a similar guide for excavators?

[@JCWren]

3rd function and rear remotes are the one thing my dealer screwed up. I was a first time tractor buyer, bought a L4701HST. I asked if I should add a 3rd function or rear remotes and was told I didn't need them. I didn't completely understand what I needed them for, and now I'm semi-seriously considering trading up and making damn sure I get a 3rd function and and at least two rear remotes. Can't run a grapple and can't run a hydraulic offset flail mower or a hydraulic log splitter. Other than that, been really happy with the 4701, and other than a sheared bucket pin (manufacturing defect), haven't had a single issue with it.

[@scottelder3141]

You can add 3rd functions and rear remotes pretty easily. I put a WR Long 3rd function on my grand L in a couple of hours. The grapple is a game changer.

[@justadbeer]

I'll 2nd Scott's comment on a grapple being a game changer, and he's also correct about adding on that 3rd function valve. As far as running a log splitter off a rear remote, don't waste your time unless you have all day to split a log. It is painfully sloooow and for the price, you can buy a tow behind, tow it out with your tractor and have one person splitting logs while one of you is using the tractor/grapple to cut and haul logs to the splitter. As far as a flail mower, they make offset flails that use your PTO, otherwise, rear remotes can also be added.

[@JCWren]

@@justadbeer I'll probably do that if I keep the 4701. I'm kind of wanting a cab now, along with R14 tires. That combined with the cost of adding the remotes, and it may just be worth trading up. As far as the flail mower, it would be PTO driven. However, the offset is hydraulically controlled. The 4701 makes 39HP at the PTO which starts to exceed the gearbox rating on the manual offset versions.

[@JCWren]

@@scottelder3141 Adding the 3rd function remote is a lot easier than adding the rear remotes, from everything I've looked at. A grapple isn't an essential item for me as I also have a mini-ex. Not as good at moving brush as a grapple, but definitely better for handling logs.

[@jimmcknight3021]

We had the money for a large down payment so we just rolled in the cost of the third function and 3 rear hydraulic ports to our Grand L. We also added the hydraulic assisted skid steer quick attach. The labor is the same to add one , two or three rear ports. With all the new thingas they are coming up with on compact tractors, we wanted to have plenty of ports. We love the 3rd function and the hydraulic top link in the back.

[@fredlovitt3561]

Hi Neal. Several years ago I had the pleasure of operating a Kubota 3710 with a GST transmission. Is that still an option?

[@jayhuyssoon9486]

Good afternoon. You said that the BX’s all have the same frame, I think I heard that the BX23S has a stronger enhanced frame from the factory to compensate for the weight and operation of the backhoe, that the other BX option frames don’t have. I understand that putting that frame enhancement option is significantly more costly. Am I wrong.

[@MessicksEquip]

The frame on the 23s is different to accommodate the backhoe. Its the same size.

[@plcwboy]

@ 4:09 Why do you have the SMV upside down?

[@patrickgeorge310]

May I suggest your next video. Can you please do a comparison of electronic pto vs cable. Include the details on the inside of the transmission like clutches vs cams, and what might make one better than the other. I can’t seem to find much information about this subject.

[@wbar4398]

I’ve got a 15 year old L5740 with HST. The problem has never been getting the power to the ground with the HST. When you apply the power and your tires spin, it’s a traction problem. I’ve got ag tires and have never been disappointed when I need the power.

[@364pgr]

Very informative!!

[@wademizelle3433]

I watch all your videos. A lot of folks say the New Holland tractors are LS only rebranded. Are you confident about the availability of parts and dealer support way on into the future? Thanks and keep te videos coming.

[@MessicksEquip]

Parts are a numbers game. The best availability will always be from the biggest players.

[@TheTradosaurus]

There’s a guy on a tractor forum that installed a turbo on the L2501 ace got 35 hp at the PTO

[@berthongo8531]

Very good! Thanks.

[@fhuber7507]

Today... 10 acres or less, I would be looking at one of the new electric compact tractors. Capable of an average of 4 hr of work per charge is common That's enough for the small "hobby farm" This is still a bit of an "early adopter" attitude, but the ones I have seen offered this year are looking like winners.

[@MessicksEquip]

IMO, they are a decade off from affordability and practicality.

[@blessed7fold]

Correction: Those things don't add "cost" they add value which is why they are sold at a premium.

[@TheTradosaurus]

AG tires only unless you are mowing manicured grass

[@scottsymons6152]

What is the largest Kubota tractor with an open station, no cab.

[@MessicksEquip]

M6 something. Like 120hp

[@WELLTHATHAPPENS]

i wish they still make cabs for bx1870 Kubota

[@MessicksEquip]

Curtis does.

[@WELLTHATHAPPENS]

They sayed they don't no more ,I was truly disappointed

[@ryancrazy1]

Can we get an R14 tire video? It's been a year since the last I believe. Would also like to see the Bar turf tire in dirt/mud/snow since it did so well on turf

[@MessicksEquip]

Yes, but afterwards all we're going to sell is R14s and I have too many r4s in stock.

[@rob1733]

@@MessicksEquip 🤣😂🤣

[@ryancrazy1]

@@MessicksEquip dang, they’re that good? Haha

[@dmhipkins]

Hi Neil! What is likely to be the best month to get the best cash/finance price on a new mid-size Kubota tractor?

[@davidferris4563]

Not to sound smart... But the only time I have found is when the lot is full of unsold tractors. And no one has money to buy them. The rest of the time is just a matter of going to a couple or more different dealers and get a quote based on the spec's you want. When I got my LX2610 in the fall of 2021 shopped 3 different Kubota dealers that were within a hour drive. The best was the dealer that was Elite certified the difference more than $5,000 from low to high. To get that I told each dealer I would pay cash. Was using the equine discount and was willing to wait for one to come in from Japan. Took 3 months for it to come but was worth the wait.

[@MessicksEquip]

Kubota's programs hardly ever change. It doesn't really matter.

[@rob1733]

Thanks for these guides! I have watched a lot of your videos...maybe all!... and I can't say I have ever seen you talk about the MX series. Our local Kubota dealer thinks an MX5400 would suit our situation best, but I haven't seen you ever recommend it. Why would I want that over an equivalent L series? They seem so similar.

[@MessicksEquip]

Use the search tool. I have videos on this very topic.

[@rob1733]

@@MessicksEquip Ah.. Thanks. Seems they were some time ago. And it seems you prefer the niceties of the L series. Ours is going to be used in fairly messy areas, so maybe that's why our local dealer suggested it... Why pay more for deluxe stuff that will likely get scratched or scraped, I guess...

[@Skynet-1]

When did you shoot this? I have snow on the ground.

[@arthurr8670]

It could have been very recent. NE had snow a week ago, this week again, not sure about the following week though.

[@jameslmorehead]

I find it ironic the B series has a higher flow hydraulic pump than the entry sized, but larger, L series. This is due to the B series having the mid PTO option, so it needs the extra flow.

[@donaldstrishock3923]

I firmly believe Not so. I Have the brochure specifications right in front of me. Having almost absolutely nothing to do with a mid-mount PTO. The L2501 engine spins at a low RPM @ (101ci) engine vs. L3301& L3901 @ 111 ci engine & FASTER governed engine ,but ALL the SAME hydraulic pump.

[@jameslmorehead]

@Donald Strishock Well, yea. The L series all have the same pump with the same frame size. What does that have to do with the B series? Just to give some clarity to my original post, the small L series run a 5.25 gpm hydraulic pump for accessories while the B series uses a single 8.3 gpm pump for steering and accessories. The L series has a second, isolated hydraulic loop for the steering.

[@BeingMe23]

Actually HP is not the main performance of the machine. It's more about torque. The single most important part of a diesel is the % of the torque rise. Which is the strength of the engine's ability to overcome come a load.

[@Elem7777]

I don't entirely agree with you about HP "doing nothing" but yes it is a critically important factor and one often missed when comparing different size tractors with similar HP, like a 26hp BX, B or L. Yes, they all have the same amount of horsepower on paper, but they do NOT have the same engine, and that L may have 50% more torque from its significantly larger engine. It's maddening that none of the manufacturers advertise the torque given all this, I simply don't understand it.

[@peteschiavoni]

My wife came up with the best way to choose a tractor- she wants a New Holland because it matches her truck. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@jwm6314]

Man, every major manufacturer should kick you a million dollars each for this work.

[@scottelder3141]

Tires should be loaded if a loader is installed. There should be no option to not load them. Dealerships are being sued when a tractor with a loader rolls because there was no ballast. Manufacturers require ballast with a loader, and dealerships can be found negligent if they sell a loader tractor without tire ballast.

[@risby2]

show how to change oil filters on new 2017 Holland t4.75 with loader, the engineer's who designed this should be fired.

[@Валерий-в3ц]

Какая.цена.у.этого.минитрактора.кубота.с.фронтальным.пагрущиком.

[@angrydachshund]

Let me save you some regrets later: GET THE HST OPTION. Just take my word, and cough up the money for HST.

[@uncouthboy8028]

Disagree on the gear drive. You've got no business being on something as dangerous as a tractor if a gear drive is too complicated. Select a range, select a direction, select a speed. Adjust the RPM for fine adjustments thereafter.

[@morrismonet3554]

It's not about being too complicated. Hydro is way better for loader work.

[@uncouthboy8028]

@@morrismonet3554 I'm replying to what Neal said.

[@arthurr8670]

It's more complicated with loader work. Lowest gear going into a pile, but transport you want something faster. Might have to reverse, switch between low, medium, high, as well as the actual gear. Yeah not complicated when you know the system, but not simple when you are new to it.

[@billmoretz8718]

@arthurr8670 mainly depends on how often you use the loader. If it's not every week and you use pto alot the gear is a better option. Gears are also better on steep ground. While hydro maybe fine at first, as the tractor ages then slippage can be an issue.

[@morrismonet3554]

@@billmoretz8718 Depending on use, hydro is still the better PTO option. Like when cutting tall grass or brush where you keep the rpms at 540 PTO and run into heavier or lighter spots. You can instantly speed up or slow down the tractor for the conditions, while maintaining constant rpm.

[@kh867]

First.

[@JCWren]

And?