Trade Cirrus Vision Jet for SIngle Engine Turboprop?

[@myvideo2228]

Prices are way off. New PC-12 is $6.5-7m. Best option in the turboprop category is the Epic E1000GX (34k ceiling better than TBM and PC-12, 333kts, and 42-45 gal hr. ) and it’s much bigger than the TBM. Significantly cheaper maintenance as well.

[@aaronstokes2883]

Agree!

[@Vejitasei]

I can not afford (yet) the turbine of my dreams. I look at the E1000GX vs TBM 960 a lot. I like the wider cabin and larger useful load of the Epic. However, I like the Garmin auto land, G3000, and FADEC on the TBM. The G1000 is just old. I currently fly an A36 with the Dynon system, and I love the option of touch screen or knobs > knobs only (yes the NXi has the key pad). I mostly fly solo or with the g/f. I care mostly about range and useful load. I have taken 6hr flights in the A36.

[@myvideo2228]

@ Must have some bad info…. They have a service network and actually do an amazing job, even have a progressive maintenance plan so you can avoid a long annual and any significant down time. Warranty work for current owners has been easy and typically they overnight all the parts to the service centers. They have been known to fly parts and mechanics if you go AOG. The experimental owners banded together because they loved the platform bought the company for going bust. They needed someone who could provide cash to sustain the certification process. A fellow owner of an experimental Epic of both Ukrainian and Russian roots decided to provide the cash needed. The majority stakeholder now lives in California and has been an exceptional partner to Epic. They have over 80 Certified Epics in the wild now. Including the one i own… you won’t find a disappointed certified Epic owner. And are on track to deliver 4 deliveries per month.

[@aaronstokes2883]

@@LowandFast357 That's not correct. I own serial # 58 and it has been VERY reliable. Already has 160 hrs in 8 months. Has the most reliable and common engine on the planet. Anyone will work on a PT6. Especially if you are stranded. Their new operation is very impressive!

[@aaronstokes2883]

@@myvideo2228 100% agree. what serial # you have? I have 58.

[@AeroSafe]

Tony, there will be a lot of opinions posted here. Many of them from people who do not have experience flying these aircraft, let alone the money to afford purchasing and maintaining one. Carefully consider the source when you read these comments on your videos. In order to make an informed decision, you need to outline what your mission is 95% of the time. How far are you going, how many people will you carry, how much baggage do you want to take? There will always be 5% of your mission where it makes more sense to charter or fly commercially than use your own airplane (distance, weight, etc.). I fly a 2013 TBM 850, G1000. It is an incredible machine, very capable, and does everything I ask of it. Our mission 95% of the time is light weight, 1000 miles or less, and relatively short fields. For these flights, it is perfect. An aircraft like this will have much higher capability than you do as a pilot until you are well trained and comfortable. Which brings me to my final point... No matter which of these aircraft you choose, I implore you to bring a safety pilot along for at least the first 100 hours in the airplane. The safety pilot would preferably be a current CFI with experience instructing in the exact make and model aircaft. If you choose a TBM, I can introduce you to some TBM instructors, which you could also find through the TBMOPA network. Good luck!

[@Petemitchell0341]

What’s the mission? Narrow that down and you’ll have an easier decision to make. How long are your trips typically going to be? How many passengers? Wife/kids? Are you ever planning on carrying cargo/toys? Bikes,e-bikes, ski’s/snowboards? Etc. Will you fly clients around? If so, will they have friends, spouses, family? Route out several cross country trips with the different speeds from the three different aircraft. I think you’ll be surprised how much time (or lack of time) you actually save. The airspeeds aren’t that far off from each other. Additionally, the Vision Jets shorter legs will waste a whole lot of time adding an extra stop on a trip just for fuel. Can’t go wrong with the PC-12 as far as space, comfort, reliability, service/support, resale, BUT overkill if you’re a single guy who flies alone. Again, what’s the mission?

[@ChadBrinkerhoff]

Two of my favorites, Epic E1000 GX and Piaggio P-180 EVO, Last one is a twin turbo-prop with top speeds of 400 mph and seats 8.

[@NicolaasVanderwey]

Only problem with the P180 Avanti 11 as you can only haul four of your 690 pounds that’s nothing

[@scottmonroe6522]

I fly a Pilatus NGX and although it’s a bit slower than the others, there’s no comparison in cabin size, payload and comfort. The PC-12 has a true executive level cabin and is equivalent to a Beech King Air 200. Throw in the short field capability and it’s hard to beat.

[@jacobvaillancourt5205]

Epic E1000 takes the cake and gets above more weather, too.

[@Badge-vo7hq]

Epic E1000 GX! It’s a beast

[@rickdc3]

Best aircraft in that range is the Eclipse Jet. Two engines, fast, FL410, only 60 gallons/hr at 340 knots, and much cheaper to maintain than my previous Meridian. Really comfortable in the 4 seat configuration with tons of baggage space. My 4 year maintenance was $42k. Next year will cost about $5k. 2 year after than about $10-15k. Cost is around $1.2-$2m depending on hours, Auto Throttles, and avionics package. I recommend less expensive 2.08 version. Much quieter and smoother than a TurboProp. Passengers don't need headsets. Think commercial airliner.

[@Atrociousnes]

Tbm might be your go-to then, but the enclosed bathroom on the pc-12 is nice 😂 but honestly, if you can afford it, pc -12 is the move

[@uberanalyst]

I went thru the same comparisons, and bought an Epic E1000GX. It beats the Cirrus, TBM, and PC-12 in nearly every performance metric while burning less fuel, and carries 6 adults and their luggage with full fuel. I can cross the US with only a single fuel stop, and being able to fly at FL340 lets me get above weather that the other planes can't. Takeoffs with 1200hp are exhilarating...and (unlike a Cirrus jet) it's nice to be able to throw the prop into reverse on landing to get into shorter runways.

[@TonyJavierTV]

Nice! Thanks for the info. Seems like a lot of people are talking about the Epic on the comments. Let me know if you recommend a certain year.

[@aaronstokes2883]

As an Epic owner myself I agree.

[@ScottsSynthStuff]

I came here to also recommend the Epic.

[@vicking2364]

It makes sense to compare a TBM with a Pilatus but the Vision Jet stands alone. Flying the first two with their semi partitions, passengers comfortably sitting in the back while you're alone in the front seems like you're driving your own limo around while flying the Cirrus is like driving around town in your Escalade with your friends in town.

[@typhoonjenkins8330]

Used Piaggio P-180 2010 or beyond. A total no brainer. The Cirrus Jet is awesome on the inside and the tech is so awesome. The exterior is horrendous looking. The P-180 will do 1750 to 1800 miles, has a max ceiling of 41K, and is very fuel efficient. Max speed is around 400 MPH (land speed) They're the cat's meow. My buddy had one and it was ultra luxurious. If you're serious about a jet, check out the little Honda's too. They're awesome.

[@pasadera1]

Also why are you comparing the tbm 850? Theres the 900 series with the 960 being the newest

[@nicolasespinoza573]

price range probably

[@GerardoLiraSolis]

I noticed your search for an aircraft and thought the Piaggio P180 might be of interest. Despite having two engines, its fuel consumption is competitive. It also offers impressive speed, a spacious cabin, and a compelling purchase price in used units. I believe it's worth exploring further in your evaluation. P.S. You have a new follower now

[@TonyJavierTV]

I will check it out! Thanks.

[@GolfKata]

Honestly if buying private JETS is a way to "save" on taxes, that implies there are some major issues with taxes in this country/industry.

[@iantaylor052]

You haven't said what your main mission is? Is it hauling you and 6 people around long haul more often than not? if it is, then PC12 is the way to go. If its to carry mainly you and 2 or 3 others, then TBM 900 / 960? You would get clearer guidance if you were specific on your mission. Have you ruled out a DA62? Or an older Meridian / Piper M500 / 600?

[@lewieford6416]

Take a look at PC-12 accidents. In a few instances, moderate icing and turbulence have triggered auto pilot disconnect in ímc conditions. Also, the PC-12's outside dimensions are larger than small jets. I walked into a hanger with a PC-12 and some Cessna Citations and it was noticeably larger, and took up more space.

[@tdefresco]

What about getting some return on your investment with a leaseback to a 135. I believe the PC 12 is pretty popular among charters

[@marc1027]

I have about 1700 hours on a twin turbine Shorts Skyvan. While turbine engines are relatively safe, I have experienced an imminent engine failure due to external fittings that transport the oil. For that reason, I would suggest considering a twin, such as a King Air.

[@zachofalltrades2578]

Look into a King Air. Dual Engine turboprop. Plenty of passengers and payload with great range.

[@jeffreyhughes7107]

Have you considered the Piper M700 (or 600)?

[@iamericjoel]

I will go for a used PC -12, for the same money budget, you have the best of all words specially load capacity/washroom.

[@THELIFEOFPRICE]

Nice video on the comparisons and like how you shared how you have gotten to the place of being able to afford them and use them as a tool. I watched a video the other day here on youtube where and engineer and / or physics professor compared by turbo props are far superior to the vision jet in every single way. I just searched trying to find it but cant. There was people in the comments saying cirrus was contacting him to remove the video because it wasnt a good look at all for the vision jet. The guy that made the video ended it with - the only thing cooler / better about the vision jet was simply you being able to SAY - I OWN / FLY A JET =D Depending on how much room you need the EPIC turbo prop looks cool too.

[@TonyJavierTV]

Thanks for the info and good perspective. There is something about owning a jet but may go single engine.

[@THELIFEOFPRICE]

@@TonyJavierTVfor sure. as I’m sure you already know - at the end of the day do whatever it is that makes YOU HAPPY but I think in this comparison the data all points to the turbo props winning🎉

[@bartoszskowronski]

what's a time to cruse level? when your fuel economy is showed, and also cruse speed. short climb time can be more important than better speed/fuel burn, especially on short flights.

[@hockeydude15966]

The epic 1000 might be a good option! Also a westwind is a good option. Can get them very affordable like $500k but you need 2 pilots, they cruise at Mach .74-.76 got a 2300 mile range and load it up with whatever and whoever you want very robust airplanes also!

[@denniswagner3962]

What about the Epic E1000?

[@StudyWithMusic-mo5nl]

Right? Was thinking the same

[@vandalMav]

I evaluated everything in this market segment (M700, TBM, PC12, SF50 and Epic) and the Epic fit my mission and has exceeded expectations. BUY EPIC!

[@ictpilot]

Tony, like one other person said on here, what's your typical mission? Rule of thumb in the aviation world is what are 90% of your missions and start from there. The times when you need to go outside of that, you can charter or rent. By the way, are you out of Wichita?

[@dirkl9652]

I know absolutely nothing about these planes but what about the learning curve and the comfort level of flying each?

[@elbywest5977]

Both are great choices, but please take a look at the Epic E1000gx, it's very similar single engine turboprop,

[@dollahite7]

Epic e1000gx brother. Best single engine turbo prop available

[@pasadera1]

Wait for epic 1000 upgrade with auto throttle, auto land, etc

[@TonyJavierTV]

@@pasadera1 interesting. When does that come out? The 550 has auto throttle.

[@pasadera1]

I have asked them and they said “coming soon”…. Once that update comes it is the best plane available for what you are looking for.

[@Frank-n6u8o]

Your stats and pricing is incorrect

[@KuschallRacing]

i heard that the eclips is out of busines ?

[@jonwhite9872]

Phenom 100ev is another one to look into. In the light jet category I personally would take it over the Vision. They are right around 5million, two engine, fly higher, faster, farther, operating cost 1,500 per hour, beautiful interior, lav and also ramp appeal. Epic is amazing.

[@ВАДИМ-ч6н4я]

Eclipse 550(500)???

[@LookingForAnswers1111]

things you have missed most is Landing/takeoff distance and Gravel and ruff surfaces. You can pretty much land the PC-12 almost anywhere in a 750 meter strip... and also the ability to remove the back seats and even carry 2 full size motorcycles on board ...

[@johneshoffnerjr9823]

I fully agree with reader below; look at the Epic E1000GX. Also consider the Honda Jet and Stratos Aircraft (development issues). It's tough when your heart beats "Turbine" and your brain says "turbo". Question is, If you bought a prop, how deep would you sigh every time a jet taxied by? Let us know what you decide.

[@FLYWITHBLAKE]

PC12 and TBM don’t require type ratings and annual recurrent training like a jet would. Only other factors for the turboprops would be what insurance requires. Turboprops would still be the more cost effective option on maintenance and training.

[@j-flyerpg65]

If you’re looking for performance, safety, and mission capability you should look at a Garrett powered Conquest or Turbo Commander. A JetProp Turbo Commander will give you 2,000nm range, up to 35,000 ft ceiling and fuel consumption as low as 52gph BOTH Engines. Can seat up to 10 ppl depending on configuration. Plus the safety of two engines when flying in the regimes a turbine or jet powered airplane will operate. Nothing compares.

[@collinyoung2711]

The BIG problem with the CIrrus Jet is in order to have it worked on and under warranty, you have to pay $600 per hour, prepaid per year. That is before any fixed cost. A friend has one and is very tired of sending Cirrus 95k per year to fly his own airplane. If you don't fly that much, same price. If you go over, $600 per hour. Another buddy has a TBM 940 and flies faster, farther, at half the cost. I have flown both and the TBM is a better aircarft. Both great airplanes but the prepaid annual warranty is a deal breaker for me.

[@paul-akers]

I’ve been flying a jet prop for eight years crossing North Atlantic three times buy the Cirus. Why …… 90% of the time my plane had just me in it. You don’t need to haul around a bunch of weight. Nobody wants to sit in a plane more than four hours. I did four hour legs nonstop and they’re not fun! Having Range and going slow is like being constipated. The key in aviation in my opinion is simple, agile, modern and small.

[@bivibuddydan]

Runway lenght for take off and landing? Reliablity of turboprop vs pure jet?

[@nicolasespinoza573]

PC12 wins runway performance and Grass/gravel runways are no issue. TBM is more delicate and needs longer rwy

[@passionateGTR]

Can you compare Vision Jet with Piper M700 / M600? I love how the Vision Jet looks, but in most cases, it has worse efficiency.

[@smacfe]

The single most important thing for you to do is to carefully define your mission profile. How much will you carry, how far for your average trip, and the runways you will use. You mentioned short flights, so speed is not as important, as you will arrive within minutes with each alternative. If you are looking at longer flights, carefully evaluate what your load/fuel/range equations indicate. A Pilatus for $2.5 million is going to have been abused and likely have a runout engine. While they are great airplanes, any decent one will start at $4 million as these are higly desired as medevac and cargo planes. A single turboprop has many other advantages over a jet especially in insurance, training and maintenance costs. Another important factor is the proximity of a dedicated maintenance facility to you. We found that having a dedicated shop close by really made a huge difference in cost and up time as you are more likely to correct problems before they become serious/expensive/time consuming. It's hard to put ego aside and make the intelligent decision, but best of luck with whatever you choose.

[@almarasco1792]

Go with a older peletis. And put Garmin avionics in it, great plane and easy to fly plus it does have bathroom, congrats on your success.

[@343jonny]

Never mentioned maintenance costs of each. Of all the costs of ownership, this maintenance is by far the most important.

[@keithwofford4600]

The Epic is good, I agree, and comes in at about $4.6 million new. Have done demo flight, climb performance is superb. Avionics upgrade to G3000 and radar would make it more compelling.

[@charlesmarquardt3755]

I'm a 300 hour PP SEL and don't even have high performance/complex time and haven't flown in years due to $$ but dream of having your problem on which turbine or jet to buy 😅 . My gut reaction opinion on if it were me I'd get the Pilatus as it really seems to have the best bang for the buck in terms or outright utilitie and has an enclosed toilet. Higher fuel burn yes a little more hangar space yes but if you can afford the plane you can afford a bigger hangar . As for the extra fuel it would depend on how often you use it and typical distance flown

[@Aastan]

TBM 910,920,930,940?

[@mts982]

there have been incidents with the TBM 850, including some when the aircraft was about to land. Witnesses have reported that the aircraft can potentially turn or roll towards the left and lose control. Experts recommend that purchasers of used aircraft carefully inspect the engines and landing gear.

[@TonyJavierTV]

@@mts982 thanks for the heads up on that!

[@Brockds]

Would recommend watching "Why the CirrusJet is So Slow" by XPlaneOfficial. He takes you on a deep dive on a single engine turboprop vs Vision Jet. I'm sure you will closely consider full fuel payload capacity and runway performance, especially hot/high conditions. I hope you find the right aircraft. Cheers.

[@justinasmilusauskas5722]

I am real pilot, flew TP for quite some time, TP always wants to be a jet but will never be one :) Now flying Eclipse Jet, (350h logged) Eclipse has really good support now and it is a real twin jet designed for single pilot.. If you need more info PM.

[@jasoncrandall]

You have 2 choices….. SETP or make the jump to a CJ3 or bigger. The SF50 is a turd. The TBM and PC12 have double the range of the SF50. The SF50 is not a jet. It’s a ducted turbofan. The Pilatus is a non-ducted turbofan. Your prices are waaaaaayyyyy off. What’s your budget? I’ve owned PC12, SR22, CJ4, Bonanza. My old Pilatus is in your thumbnail

[@auhs70]

Stall speed on the PC-12 is way slower than the other two. It can land on grass or gravel strips.

[@mr.ginnationfunlifestyle3891]

It’s all about your money and mission? Right? You need to talk more about your mission. Generally speaking in todays market the Epic 1000 is a blast. A top notch aircraft. Fits that one in your budget and mission. Truly go for it. Coming up auto throttle and autoland in it. That’s the date to go for it. If the mission is more payload, more passengers and gravel strips to land on , the Pilatus is the one to go for it. But this one needs also some decent training to be safe with its complex systems. The TBM and the Cirrus jet would be third choice to me. Its not all about the parachute. And the customer service of Daher seems to be to verify. If you have a big pocket, a more often long range mission, need speed and a sexy ramp appeal, take a close look to the Piaggio Avanti, the Ferrari in the skies with ultimate luxury and jet performance in costs of a turboprop. 😊

[@dsinha99]

I didn't understand why TBM850 and not the TBM960 if you're comparing it with the Pilatus, or even the SF50? The TBM and SF50 will both end up at 4.5M. The Pilatus is probably more like $6M. The Epic EX1000 is another one to consider. Also, one of the huge advantages of a TurboProp over a VisionJet is their stopping distance, and therefore the additional number of fields you'll be able to get in and out of.

[@trevoC132]

TBH, the TBM/Pilatus would have seemed like the no brainer move up from a Piston Cirrus IMO. I love the Phenom 100/300, but my realistic goals would be the tbm/pilatus. Personally I prefer the TBM for the extra speed, but the reality is it doesn't fit my missions in Canada as well (grass strips) as the Pilatus. Pilatus is way more versatile. If you aren't shy of large twins the King Air fits a bit of both of these bills (off strip capability and size) but adds much more cost in maintenance etc..

[@trevoC132]

Not sure why you are comparing a newer pilatus interior to an older TBM... TBM's have newer models also. They both have new and dated interiors if you want.

[@trevoC132]

Most importantly, the Phenom 100 or Cirrus Jet's range makes them too limiting IMO.

[@htschmerdtz4465]

As a retired corporate and airline pilot, I like the speed of a P-180 Avanti, but that is a much bigger, much more expensive aircraft to buy and operate. (For reference, all the planes I discuss here can be purchased with good cosmetics and maintenance for $2 - 4 million USD; new prices will vary considerably). For +1,000 nm trips with pax loads averaging 6-8, the P-180's speed, futuristic looks and prestige (Ferrari-marketed) pedigree give you a near jet-like 405 KTAS experience. If your trips average the industry standard 500 nm, the PC-12's similar-sized cabin gets the job done, in exchange for a 100 knot slower cruise speed. The upside is roughly 40% better fuel economy and bank-vault tough Swiss construction. If your passenger list is most often fewer than four, the TBM series or and Epic E1000 should make your short list. The Epic has more payload but slightly shorter range; at full fuel, the Epic offers about 300 lbs more payload. The E1000 hits a higher cruise altitude and slightly higher speed, while burning slightly less fuel, powered by a similar, but slightly down-rated PW PT 6 engine. The EX seems to have a longer cabin, but there is some dispute over this. What is not in dispute is that the Epic has 6" more cabin height and cabin width; those inches make longer trips a skosh more comfy. Epic worked hard to make the airframe noticeably quieter with less vibration than the TBM series. If you want to fly fast, expect 328 KTAS in the TBM, with slightly over 330 KTAS in the Epic, both on roughly 65 gph of jet fuel. As for maintenance costs, the price of overhauling the pair of PW PT6s that power the Avanti, is closing in on one million bucks. Style? The TBM is a solid aircraft with styling starting to get slightly frumpy. Nor is the TBM as strong as the E1000, which is certified in the tougher utility category. Economy cruise in the TBM is an advertised 252 KTAS, with 260 KTAS for the E1000, both burning roughly 40 gph. Cabin experience could make or break your decision because your club-seated passengers have so much leg room in the E1000 that they don't have to intertwine their legs as they would in cabin of a TBM. If looks are a factor, the E1000 looks like it was dipped in glass, with a no joint, minimal rivet carbon fiber airframe. The airplane has a large ramp presence, and a unique semi-elliptical wing that speaks efficiency and speed. What the E1000 does NOT have at this time is a TBM-style Garmin Autoland system that can put the airplane safely back on a runway in the event the pilot becomes incapacitated--something of a tech miracle. 75 GPH Cirrus Vision jet is still faster than anything here but the Avanti, according to AOPA's recent flyoff between it and a TBM 940. With pricy fuel, that old saying, 'how fast do you want to go?', --'how much money do you have?' can be updated with a second consideration: 'how much fuel do you want to burn?'

[@michaelhurst506]

You seem to have focused on used turboprops. Although not many around, perhaps a used Epic 1000 meets more of your criteria

[@r0dnee]

Pc12 for space and range payload tbm for speed and altitude

[@JBalloonist]

FYI not all TBMs have the pilot door. It’s only on the newer (900) models, and even not on all of those. steveo’s 850 did not have it.

[@iheart545x39]

If you can afford and have the space for a PC-12, you'd be crazy not to. Side note, for this kind of money I'd have a 20 year old King Air 200.

[@nekodacolvin1412]

The cirrus vison jet has the garmin three thousands for avionics

[@grahampetersen335]

Vision jet is a jet for people that need to say they own a jet, get a turbo prop, they sound cooler anyway.

[@aidanconley1510]

Piaggio Avanti… 385 ktas, 90 gph. 10 seats, and the cabin feels like an XL. Parts availability is surprisingly high with the exception of brakes and windshields. Buy one with new motors for around 3 million… put it on programs. Or buy an Avanti I with mid time motors for 1.5

[@ronarnott1801]

PC 12 think 8 seat Suburban. TBM 850 or 900 series think 6 seat sports car.

[@343jonny]

Wait for a Beechcraft Denali...if they ever certify the thing 😂

[@nyuscdjs]

I’m sorry but you have so many facts wrong. Prices are wrong. You can’t buy a new TBM 850. The Vision Jet doesn’t have G1000…it’s G3000. Please do some better homework before you make any decisions.

[@keithwofford4600]

No one can touch a new PC12 NGX for less than $7 million. Also need to look at maintenance cost and especially insurance. Insurers have grown wary of turboprops with owner pilots - it is a 10,000 lb plane versus 6000 for the SF50. TBM works great for some, but has a history of prop strikes due to low distance between prop and ground; also has high cabin altitude, and small pilot seat (which matters for those as not as thin as the author here).

[@theaviator06]

Ya. Your off on new prices. Pc12 ngx is base about $6mm. TBM 960 is $5.5mm. Phenom 100EV new $5.5mm.

[@adeshpa01]

Most of this analysis is incorrect. The Cirrus cruises at 311kts and burns 55 gallons per hour at cruise. It holds 296 gallons. That’s similar to the 850 in the table yet somehow the 850 magically goes an extra 600 miles. The Cirrus avionics also is not G1000, it’s a variant of the G3000.

[@treezy2x31]

Tbm sounds best

[@rigilchrist]

Turboprobs need much less runway than a jet. This means more options for usable airports.

[@BrentDoeksen]

A used Vision Jet is 2M and a used TBM 850 is 2M. But the VJ will be built in 2018 and less than a 1000 hours, a 2M TBM will be a 2006 and have 3,000 hours on the plane. You will probably want to spend $200,000 upgrading the avionics of the 2006 TBM.

[@aaronstokes2883]

These prices are too low. Also, the pilatus is in a totally different category. It is MUCH bigger. Can have as many as 11 pax in some configurations. The vision jet also requires jet engine program. Can end up well over 100k per year on top of all other expenses. I would look at the Epic E1000. That's what I went with.

[@EdmondSmith-u8o]

Epic 1000… speed, room , longer range. Full seats and full fuel. End of story

[@MAGApepe]

epic e1000 :))

[@r0dnee]

e1000 or Denali

[@davidking3011]

Tony, You never defined your mission. How far do you regularly travel? How many passengers? Most focus on speed. It's about useful load! Range! Also avionics. Pilatus doesn't use Garmin like your Cirrus. Pretty big learning curve. 90+% of PC-12's are professionally flown. Most TBM's are owner flown. Buying a jet is very expensive to maintain with all the engine, maintenance programs plus no multi engine time will require a LOT of mentor pilot time and expensive insurance! Based on a mission of 750 miles average with 4 passengers, if speed isn't a big consideration, think about the Tecnam P-1012 Traveler to build twin time if a jet is where you want to end up. For useful load think Kodiak 100 , Tecnam P2012, Maybe after 500 hours of those go for TBM or new Beechcraft Denali. ALL those aircraft use Garmin avionics. Best entry level jet with cheaper insurance, get your feet wet in a Citation Mustang. Then look to a larger jet if you can afford to move up. Hull insurance, maintanance, parts availability, and factory support are great on the Citation. Enjoy!

[@thatguy7085]

They are larger aircraft. Circus jet was made to be simple and safe… not fast or roomy

[@danielreuter2565]

The biggest thing for me is where you can take it. You can get a tbm or Pilatus in pretty much anywhere. Vision jet uses a lot of runway and will preclude use at many ga airports. High density altitude also has a big impact. Sit in a tbm before you go any further. It's known for having a pretty tight cockpit. Might be fine, might not. Also your Pilatus prices are way off. If I was buying in this class I would be looking hard at the Epic.

[@markjones338]

Piper fury

[@williambeatty7781]

I always what these people do to afford these aircraft ?? Buying and maintaining these aircraft costs a fortune.

[@williambush7971]

The Vision Jet is one of the ugliest planes ever made. Looks like they finished on Fri. afternoon and suddenly realized they forgot the engine. They just glued in on top and went to happy hour. Its not only ugly it slow.

[@kleinbergers33]

platus turbo prop.

[@isaiaszapata1065]

Such a bad and misleading video.

[@bobwferguson]

Kodiak

[@mts982]

cirrus jet 5 adults and 2 children -90 pounds or under.

[@bogdanskutkiewicz5217]

Well, if your business advices are similar to your aeronautical knowledge…. I wouldnt be your customer. Too many errors and wrong assumptions in this wideo.

[@romeobravo3793]

The Vision Jet is a toy. The PC-12 is an airplane. Need I say more?

[@diggy-d8w]

I'm not a pilot but I've come across 3-4 PILATUS PC-12 incidence that ended rather badly. Something about the auto-pilot coupled w/ icing and the tail control surfaces. Forgive my lack of proper wording for any of this but I'm throwing it out so you can double check what I believe I saw. Now is the time to research it, as you said. I know you'll do your due diligence in this matter..... peace & GB ALL

[@TonyJavierTV]

@@diggy-d8w thanks for the info! I think someone else commented here about something similar so something to definitely check into.

[@diggy-d8w]

Yes Sir, Mr. Tony > so I went & grabbed 3 videos that talked about what I told you. Again, I'm not a pilot or acquainted w/ the airline industry but I got these for you just in case you get the time to look. I may be off base but didn't like the fact that 3 of these happened in the same bird. For a newer plane it shocked me, do with it what you will. peace Pilot Debrief Channel kzbin.info/www/bejne/ppyrZ56bmK6YeMk Nelons Family Crash kzbin.info/www/bejne/hmHPnaOiYrtmaLc That Killed 4 Generations! kzbin.info/www/bejne/enfHpX9nqtl_bK8

[@mts982]

too many accidents with the pc-12.

[@nmvi226]

Most of them pilot error

[@albertattwood8746]

What you have to ask. Is what do you want out of the plane. What do you want to do with this plane. Everything is a trade off. So have a good look at what you want . Not what other people say.. hope this puts your feet back on the ground . 🦘👍