REACTION: Battle of Lordaeron Cinematics | TradeChat

[@Dularr]

"Sylvanas, who hurt you." .... well .... Arthas

[@SpiceCh]

"Arthas" is exactly right. She wants her revenge on the humans for what their prince did to her and her people. The fact that the Alliance stands in the way of her goal makes them targets as well. The humans (Arthas) made her what she is.

[@Stadt101]

@@konyadake1602 you dont get it, Arthas chased after the sword and armor of the LK after he was warned on what it will do, he didn't care, and cause he didn't care it lead to millions of deaths. thats her Hate, thats her pain, she protected humans and elves and was betrayed by the human race cause they didn't stand against Arthas and stop him from going after what cursed him.

[@oliverwilhelm6171]

My own reaction: "WHAT. MAGES CAN DO THAT!? ...CAN I DO THAT!?"

[@leedriver7029]

Sylvanas:*attempts to kill every man, woman, and child in Gilneas* Everyone: oh, that Sylvanas! Sylvanas:*burns teldrassil* Everyone: this is too far!!!

[@anonymousfx5254]

Ye and also Horde burned Stormwind during previous war and everybody was like ''Oh it's ok thats why it's called Warcraft '' and when Sylvanas burns Teldrassil everybody like ''Omg she is pure evil and moral grey''

[@dorkhanr4559]

White Lee Ross she was under the orders of Garrosh in that attack i think

[@StoneDouble0]

she was under orders to attack but not to use the plague. she was ordered not to use it but did so anyways.

[@johnd5574]

People always want to bring up Gilneas, but they forget three important things. First, she was under orders to attack it. Second, she allowed non-combatants to escape. Third, "salting the Earth" aka plaguing the city was the Forsaken's revenge for Gilneas doing nothing and hiding behind their wall when Arthas took Lordaeron. Sylvanas DID NOT attempt to kill every man, woman, and child in Gilneas, she let tons of them escape. This is different... it's like she's gone full crazy/stupid, because there was nothing to really gain from burning the tree. What I do like is that both Saurfang and Baine had words with her about the dishonor of it all... what I dislike is that Lor'themar has said nothing, and frankly he should hate it the most because the exact same thing was done to the blood elves, just by Arthas and later Garithos and even Jaina in the purge of Dalaran.

[@kylekane3106]

The orcs did worse things to the Alliance during the first and second wars, than Sylvanas has done in her undeath. The orcs pillaged entire villages, burned stormwind and had the intention of taking Lordaeron. When Sylvanas was told to take Gilneas, she subtly told Garrosh that she take it for the Horde, saying it would be a great out post for maritime warfare. Garrosh agreed, tasking her with the siege of Gilneas, but to not use the plague. She did so anyway. But now with Teldrassil, that is the same thing as the plague in Gilneas except the people would be burned to death instead of void of life.

[@alexwolf551]

"This is the most Sylvanas thing ive seen since the B U R N I N G O F T E L D R A S S I L That was precious.

[@Tofushoots]

"Who hurt you Sylvanas?" Umm... Could probably put that one on Arthas... Or her sister's betrayal.. Or her people refusing to take her back when she died to protect them.... Or any number of other reasons from her lore..

[@Rex200024]

VeganMachine Alleria had a good reason for betraying Sylvanas.

[@swagnone619]

Rex The Mighty Not Alleria! He means Vareesa in the War Crimes book

[@jeffreygamble4217]

Okay but right??? She has her right to be a cold bitch to just about everyone.

[@wraithflaire1639]

Rex The Mighty betrayal is the betryal no matter what the reason.

[@tzshadow123]

I feel people with the most ammount of wow things in their room is the one who knows less about the lore

[@i.m.3940]

WoW 2004: yo lemme kill this dragon WoW 2018: flying ships, bork bork, Sylvanas almost kisses Manduin Woah, what a turn of events i'd say.

[@greenumbrellacorp5744]

bcz legion had no literal spaceships with deflector shields and main laser beams, not at all... oh and wormhole+hyperspace drives, sadly we didn't get an xwing mount heh

[@Duryism]

"I'm not even Alliance and that was really cool!" My exact sentiment... Arcane cannons? Yeah, she's bad ass.

[@stephyspillz]

A perk of being Arch-mage is not having to pick a spec it looks like :)

[@Rose-Badwolf]

"who hurt you sylvanas"... well now that you mention it i do recall a magical sword being thrust into her chest

[@realUlfricStormcloak]

The Flying Dutchwoman.

[@joshcoleman2922]

LEEDLE LEEDLE LEEDLE LEE

[@an_eternalflame]

Besides that it seems like Hook’s ship, when it’s carried by the fairy dust

[@Zeryurijin]

You heard of the flying Dutchman? Well now we give you the Flying Dutchess!

[@enahuk]

Eastern Kingdom? I thought you said Weestern Kingdom?!?

[@anonymousfx5254]

The Flying doucheman would be correct here.

[@JH-pj8nw]

I loved Sylvanas' dialog and voice acting here.

[@amouramarie]

Same! I am Alliance and I will do what I can to put that banshee in the ground where she belongs, but she is SO GOOD at being bad. There's really no character like her.

[@alexwolf551]

He talks bitchy.

[@hellfire2615]

i love how anduins entrance is reflective of arthas!!

[@FantFrei]

just because they both entered the same room once ? omg voljin is garrosh because he sat on the same throne

[@aethewulf4787]

Fant Frei are you serious? They even used same music. Its Easter.

[@hellfire2615]

Fant Frei A golden haired boy clad in armor wielding a magic sword coming to take out the ruler of lorderon...yeah definaly not a call back at all

[@SergeantColdgirl]

hellfire2615 Right? Even Anduin is being accompanied by the other leaders. Just like how Arthas was accompanied by subordinates.

[@probablyanoldgod320]

hellfire2615 not to mention how he looked up to the sky, just as Arthas did as well. I actually loved that little call back.

[@joncastle9707]

Sylvanas has always been like this, the only difference now is that she has nobody to hold her back, she doesn't have to be calculated like she was when going against the wishes of the warchief.

[@George2001k]

This is the most Sylvanas thing I have seen since...the last time I saw her....

[@terpintime21]

People call her a villain but how often are the undead ever seen as hero’s? What other race can say their existence was originally started purely out of evil? What “good” way is there for us to exist? We cannot have children. Each and every member of the Forsaken had a life amongst a the living at some point and passed on. We were then raised and given a choice to stay within the fold and follow our Dark Lady or venture out on our own into a world that will hate us purely for existing. We tried to join the Alliance but were seen as abominations no different than the creatures controlled by the lich king. Amongst the Horde we are allowed to exist, but are often used as front line cannon fodder because we are already dead. Our number are not infinite, we are not immortal, or immune from being wounded. You tell us to do what is honorable but our existence isn’t that simple because no one would choose to exist like this. To keep from extinction we must rip new souls from the grave and put them on the path of damnation. It is not pleasant, it is not joyful, it is a fact of life for us. We are the Forsaken. You see our Dark Lady’s action and vile and villainous. We see them as those of a leader who’s grown tired of having hers and her people existence objected too. We are the Forsaken and we will keep moving forward.

[@terpintime21]

Alright so if you read this and are getting ready to write about everything I got wrong 1. I intentionally left stuff out, I wrote this as more of a propaganda piece then one of facts. 2. I wrote this for fun and I feel so-so about it. So please be kind. That’s all. Go nuts

[@blackvial]

Alec Vall it fits for the Forsaken, they are a dying race that is hated by one faction and barely tolerated by most of the other

[@Scottoest]

I don't understand the idea that Forsaken even need to "procreate". If the life of the undead is an accursed one of damnation, then why would you put other people unwillingly on that path? Why not just live if you want to live, for as long as you can, and then if your "people" eventually die out, then all the better - because it means no more people have to suffer what you did? "We need more of us" isn't an explanation, it's an action. Forsaken are essentially sentient zombies, who already lived lives as other races, then died. There's no reason they need to make more, and no moral justification for doing so. "It's a fact of life for us" is an epic dodge of responsibility for what they are doing to people who have died and are at rest. I completely understand why current Forsaken don't want to just kill themselves - go and live for as long as you can live - but it makes no sense why they need to create more. Humans procreate because we age and die. If you're a Forsaken of sound mind and moral grounding, you should WANT to see your "race" eventually die out, because it means no one else has to go through what you've gone through. By raising more, you're just expanding the suffering for selfish ends.

[@Scottoest]

This just reinforces the utterly immoral, indefensible position of Sylvanas and the Forsaken. "I need more arrows for my quiver" is not a moral position. Creating more eternally cursed, damned zombies for strategic reasons, is not a moral position. It's evil. You're taking people peacefully at rest, and not only forcefully conscripting them into an army they never chose, but essentially damning their souls for all time in the process. I can think of nothing more evil.

[@OisinDebard]

"Who hurt you Sylvanas?" Well... Arthas.

[@MarkLee1]

Arthas is long dead.

[@chajei9885]

Ailee Georsua That's the most retarded thing i've ever read. I know she died and all but you trying to explain it just made it look so childish lmao. In fact that was one of the reasons why she now cares for the forsaken if not fully then a little when garrosh went for gilneas she denied garrosh to use the forsaken as fodders

[@pygmyhorde1821]

Lol i was gonna say "How do you want that list, alphabetical, chronological, or numbered from least to worst?"

[@thedruidsofkalimdor]

"Your home..you desecrate that throne wiTH YOUR FILTH!" this part shook me up so much. As a Warcraft player from the beginning, if there is one kingdom that I feel strongly to..its Lordaeron. And the fact that Genn feels that strongly towards the throne of Lordaeron really signals a massive shift in his character. Genn always felt Gilneas was the strongest human nation, and that they were doing Lordaeron and the others a charity for helping when the Orcs invaded, reluctantly. Even further, he sealed his kingdom off while Lordaeron was ravished with undeath, to the screams of civilians shouting for refuge at the Greymane wall. His ego is gone, he is showing regret for his actions, its nice to see him passionate towards a destroyed monument of human civilization, that isn't his own.

[@kristofferstoa8585]

The plot is based on the fact that she predicted the siege of lordaeron when she burned the tree on a whim to snuff out hope (after Saurfang failed his duty). That is why the entire Horde side is basically one big evacuation of the city. The plague trap at the end is not really that horrible, its scorched earth tactics that has been used several times during warfare. She is giving up her home willingly, but she is not going to let anyone else have it either.

[@SpiceCh]

To be fair, she's also dead-set on getting her revenge on the humans for what their prince did to her and her people. If it means killing a few allies and civillians, she won't think twice. Her end-goal is to put Stormwind to the torch and turn the humans into Forsaken - part of her might even call it a mercy, being reunited with their fallen kin in undeath.

[@cainabel6356]

Yeah, good tactic for a sore loser.

[@elementengine]

So just letting her enemy take it and gain a foothold is a better option? You dumbass.

[@tshandcrafts9018]

The whole plot is a hole!!!!! LMAO!! I LOVE your voice you are so adorable when angry I am so glad I came across your channel!

[@DagothDaddy]

So after Old Soldier every horde player made a male troll shaman now every alliance player is gonna be making a female human mage

[@bgreaud]

How many will be names "zappy boi"?

[@jonasspjuth]

i have leveled a worgen hunter in 3 days just cus i wanted to see the starting zone again, and most cus of Gen need a old wolf cinematic to counter the old solider one, love that old dog =D

[@DagothDaddy]

AsapKarma they are the only Warriors as cool Gnome Warriors

[@anthonybeam8173]

My Alliance main is already a human female mage Wentworth

[@LyneaSilver]

I've always had a Frost Mage since TBC because of Jaina in WC3. You're just now catching on?

[@aster4jaden]

I don't care what anyone else say's she's still MY Warchief.

[@GenericUsername-qp1ww]

a shit Warchief

[@Shiirow]

she may be the warchief now, but she will be everyone loot pinata in the end.

[@PrinceVega]

Did anyone notice how Baine stared at Sylvanas? 5:15. He did not seem pleased.

[@SpiceCh]

Pretty much all of the Horde leaders know that what Sylvanas is doing is wrong, but they stay loyal to her out of respect for tradition as well as Vol'jin's choice.

[@PrinceVega]

Yup, Jens, pretty much. It is a nice little detail added to the cinematic.

[@ShinKyou918]

Yup. Looks like he's... (/sunglasses) ...sick of her bull.

[@swagnone619]

ShinKyou918 *queues music* YEAAAAAAAAH

[@0ctaviaPony]

baine is kind of a spineless leader. He acts tough at times, but in the end, he excused the humans attack on Taurajo, he bowed to garrosh, he bows to sylvanas. He never takes initiative when he sees an injustice. he waits for someone else to stand up for what he believes in, then he follows them. he isnt a leader. he is a follower.

[@TradeChat]

I have no idea what happened at the end of this video lmaoooooooo. I am so good at this.

[@PechaDee]

I thought I had a stroke lol Thank god

[@bigbiscuit_137]

TradeChat 😂😂😂

[@b14id3]

Can we talk about the fact the Horde has lost 5 Major leaders where as the Alliance has only lost 1?

[@kylekane3106]

Blaide A116 actually, the horde has lost 5 leaders, you are correct, but the alliance has lost 7, one for each of the original kingdoms of the Alliance. Most of them were lost before the 3rd war except Genn Greymane, and Terenas Menethil who was the start of the 3rd war, then king Varian Wrynn died in Legion

[@maximus5263]

and old horde?

[@b14id3]

Kyle Kane Yes while that is true that is pre- world of warcraft, if we are talking that the horde has still lost a whole lot more

[@b14id3]

Kyle Kane I was specifically talking about in game representation, where the alliance leaders have heavy plot armor where the Horde leaders don't.

[@dharkann]

Enough already. It's your rabid faction leaders that kill each other anyway.

[@chill9871]

sylvanas just went full cersei lannister

[@LordBloodraven]

I know a lot of people were worried that Jaina was going crazy like Sylvannas. Just remember, her youth had been spent abandoning her friends and home by running away from the fight. First she fled to Kalimdor, abandoning Lordaeron and leaving Arthas to continue down the path that led to him becoming the Lich King. Then, when her father's fleet waged war against the Horde, rather than pick a side, she ran again and her father died. Now, the doubts of whether or not she could have made a difference give her clarity in with these new battles. Now, she's done running away.

[@valeryivanishin483]

First time she "ran away" into fight against the burning legion and protected the world tree. Her father was a ptsd maniak who had to be put down. Theramor was destroyed only because it became an alliance invasion point into the barrens, not because "lol dumb human helped us once - lets screw her over".

[@Servellion]

Problem is when it came to her father, she was right. Daelin was consumed by hatred and was willing to grind his forces to dust trying to eradicate them. He outright usurped Theramore from Jaina to do this.

[@mapip4119]

Dearie, Sylvanas is not crazy. The policy of the alliance is crazy. When they began to attack the mining sites of Azerit. This is very similar to modern politics, when one state intervenes in the affairs of the second, and when the response measures follow, it screams for justice.But Silvana has "balls" to give a hard answer. I'm an alliance player and I'm sick of rats alliance policy. I'll transfer my main caracter for the horde. For the horde! And for the my new queen!

[@zimmo0112]

You're right it does reflect modern politics. Thanks for proving that you're nothing but a Putin lap dog.

[@AzoRevan]

Needless to say, you're completely wrong, and contradicted not only by the in-game, but by the written material too. Sylvanas wanted this war. She wanted to capture Teldrassil, but she thought she was too smart for her own good, and thought she could break both the nightelves AND Saurfang AND the Alliance at the same time. Too many traps at once, too many goals, and she accomplished nothing of what she set out to do. Now she's sitting on a barely supressed civil war (Saurfang is keeping the lid on it for now), granted the Alliance a revanchist cassus beli, and severely misjudged even the Horde's willingness to go through with war crimes. Your new queen will be deposed soon. By your own new people. Hope you'll help them, or get blighted by Sylvanas when she gets tired of your uselessness.

[@rileykenney7381]

"Why is she like this." She has always been like this.

[@WickedFlamezZ]

Navhkrin what about this wasn’t calculated? Or do you have a better way to calculate for a magic plot armor ship? Redo ALL the Forsaken quests and come back. She has always been crazy, the only difference is now she has the resources to do this on a global scale being the warchief

[@pwnulater]

Navhkrin what are you talking about? She purged greymanes city just like the tree, but no fan boys have their eyes closed

[@SpiceCh]

Navhkrin she's 'simply' making the humans pay for what their prince and king did to her and the people she was sworn to protect. Sylvanas's entire existence is practically nothing but torment, and the only afterlife that awaits her is filled with more of the same. Her end goal is more or less to destroy Stormwind and turn its inhabitants into Forsaken. Only when the humans all share her tormented existence will the scales be balanced. Sylvanas doesn't really care about the Horde and only allied with it out of convenience and necessity to ensure that she and her Forsaken followers could live in relative peace after the Alliance wanted little or nothing to do with them. She only remotely cares about the Forsaken - who share her existence - and the Blood Elves, her old people. She'll happily sacrifice Horde forces and civilian lives if it hurts the humans and those who would help defend their capital. The only reason she has any claim to the position as Warchief is because Vol'jin chose her. This is also pretty much the only reason why the other Horde faction leaders haven't turned against Sylvanas yet - because they respect Vol'jin's decision. But so far, Sylvanas has done nothing but prove everyone's worst doubts and fears, and this to the point where even old soldier Saurfang is starting to doubt his warchief.

[@mielliot13]

to be fair, if Jaina hadn't shown up out of nowhere, this move would have wiped out the symbol of hope for the alliance (Simba), and killed greymane, who basically ruined her hope of a lasting future for her people's long term survival.

[@jayelit]

@Navhkrin SHE WAS ALWAYS LIKE THIS SINCE DAY 1...THE FORSEKEN JUST WANT TO DESTROY ALL THE LIVING IN AZEROTH

[@J-Nigma]

Cersei Windrunner thought she had The Alliance with that wildfire but she didn't expect winter to come when the daughter of the sea, Elsa Proudmoore showed up to save the day.

[@drosnelochmir6346]

El Jefe oh, I'm loving this plot titty twist here

[@hadayaramadhani7835]

Haha she really looked like elsa

[@antoniog5675]

Yeah, at least jaina saved genn, alleria and anduin... so sad for the rest of the soldiers that died inside the keep

[@intensity98]

This reference to GOT is priceless!!

[@Dubbartist]

She was prepared to loose, that's why the second cinematic.

[@aquibkhan4072]

That's awesome. I remember watching this cinematic in one of your streams.

[@CritScratch]

Can we get "Welcome to the Jungle" playing when Jaina shows up?

[@FukaRado]

it fits so well. I have just played it and when there was "very sexy lady" there was Anduin xD

[@reboundTTV]

Immigrant Song!

[@xxEi8htyFou4xx]

YES

[@DavidKimseyshatterglass]

I would love to see that

[@wowshun]

Someones seen Megamind :D

[@shiverpunt]

By the way, I really like your videos. Fun to watch, you're always genuine and I love seeing people react and talk about things they love with passion. Cool stuff! Keep it up! P.S. Chin up fellow Hordie! Maybe Blizzard really is taking a long way around. There could be a turn later that we may like. I'm not optimistic at this point, but to paraphrase the trigger warning elf, "Can't kill hope."

[@voidwalker6581]

Long life my Queen Sylvanas ,, Best leader ever >> Burrrrnt it hell yea For the horde

[@kristofferp5480]

Yeah genocide sure is fun!

[@drankydrank1]

BURN IT

[@drnerdrage2535]

"She's never been this evil" Yeah, she has

[@ShaneshaS]

She’s not even evil, sorry you’re too naive to see the truth

[@dragorank8167]

@@ShaneshaS LMAO, you cant be serious

[@Kingtot]

I wonder how many capital cities Sylvanas will destroy? 2 down..

[@thofus]

As we know that the Horde will control Kalimdor and Alliance wil control The Eastern Kingdoms everything that regards to the other faction will fall in those places.

[@altarium4220]

except for Silvermoon/The Exodar because y'know... software limitations

[@m3xicanvoodoo]

3 actually, Gilneas, Teldrassil, and Lordaeron

[@baby_llamaGG]

you beat me to it

[@sylermran]

yup plague and worgen all gilneas fault lol

[@martinscheu2528]

@TradeChat: time to join the alliance! We have Anduin. … and Jaina

[@Griffinmore]

So it looks like the Night Elves, Worgen and Forsaken are looking for a new city to call home. I get the feeling that Gilneas might become a focal point in BfA at some point. A bit of speculation on my part. Looking forward to getting off of work and running that scenario.

[@Nick-fi1yy]

Well theres been map markers and locations alluding to a Silverpine Forest Warfront so its definitely very likely that Gilneas will be relevant.

[@Dularr]

Stormwind for the new Forsaken capital city.

[@philipanderson7581]

RMHansen *Gilneas is TIGHT!* i hope we go there

[@wolfstar_productions]

Could be.. I wonder if Dalaran will return to its original location - it is not needed over on Broken Isles anymore.

[@kristofferp5480]

Would be strange if they didn't do anything with Gilneas now. The big issue was that Undercity and by extension the horde was right next door and since that's not a problem anymore now would be the perfect time to reclaim it and rebuild it. It's a very good spot with great access to the sea which is more relevant now than ever before since we're going to kul tiras. It would also just be really cool to see the Gilneans now return the favor to the night elves and take them in during their time of need!

[@woxineaucrows7355]

I love your style missy and will sub. keep up the good work and enjoy I was horde in vanilla but changed when the Lich king came.

[@Rizerr96]

I know a lot of people are screaming "Garrosh 2.0" right now, but I don't think even Blizzard is that short sighted as to see why it'd make a terrible plot line. There are too many reasons NOT to kill her off as a raid boss, or even boot her from the Horde as Warchief. Blizzard has something planned for Sylvannas and the Horde. She will never be "good", but I highly doubt she will be evil. Only time will tell.

[@rockdie9522]

I would love to see her in a badass role like they did with illidan during legion.

[@KingRigo2000]

She's already evil. Burning down a tree that only held civilians is evil. There's nothing morally grey about that.

[@mattyone78]

I did the quests on the alli side, and Genn was in Teldrassil, along with a few others. Saying only civilians is fake news.

[@KingRigo2000]

mattyone78 Genn only showed up towards the end to get his wife out of there. But yes, there were a few key people and soldiers there - at most 20. Compared to the near 1000 civilians Alliance players try to save. Doesn't make a difference if there was still a small contingent of the military held up in there, it's still an evil act to burn it down with all those civilians.

[@mattyone78]

Which means not only civilians, my initial comment stands.

[@danieljohansson9419]

I must say though, replaying WC3 lately Sylvanas is kinda snarky even before she became a banshee :) I think one of Blizzards biggest mistakes with Sylvanas in general is that she didn't have much screen time before now, I hear alot of people calling her cold and calculated yet in all the side media that was never really an image that got portrayed, I for one atleast see no cold calculations in her suicide when she jumps off of Icecrown performing a Saruman dive onto spikes :P I am glad that the direction the story has taken has spurred such hot feelings in the player base, even if I personally would've loved seeing Sylvanas going a different route, all she has done sofar to me atleast feels very much in line of the character she was portrayed as in all the media outside WoW (again that's an issue) love the vid though and am looking forward to BfA :D

[@jayoungr]

When you say "all the media outside WoW," are you thinking of _War Crimes_ and _Before the Storm?_ Because they were both written by Christie Golden, who is the only one who writes Sylvanas as an overemotional hot mess prone to temper tantrums.

[@kabanhakkar9181]

I am the only one who likes more this silvanas

[@joshuafoster8726]

I love this sylvanas

[@artemrasputin1831]

Same. I love Dark characters being...dark and not giving any shits.

[@paulkearney7077]

She's following her character development since Cataclysm. She blighted Gilneas and took much pleasure in it, attempting to find survival and a place for the Forsaken. Same with the Stormheim storyline, where she trapped Eyir was was going to steal what I can only assume was immortality or some form of life. Everything she is doing is to save her people, to find their place in the world. "Honor means nothing to a corpse."

[@keihndeth]

... she isn't BECOMING anything. This is how she has been since WC3 and Classic WoW. Go rewatch the Undead character intro cinematic from Classic WoW. This isn't something new.

[@AnthonyKagegariVT]

What? Sylvanas has always been this way? Where have you been? In Warcraft 3 she referred to those under her command as expendable arrows in her quiver. In Vanilla in the Undercity she experimented on Horde and Alliance NPCs. In future expansions she plagued humans in Silverpine and Hillsbrad and she took over Gilneas and she used the Valkyr to take over Andorhal in the Western Plaguelands and tortured Koltras because he was friendly with the Alliance after beating the Scourge there...I don’t get how you and so many people missed all this as Horde players...

[@jcolem2005]

Sylvanas sounds like azhara anyone notice that

[@EijiShinjo48]

Josh Coleman Maybe this Sylvanas is Queen Azshara in disguise 🤔

[@jcolem2005]

Eiji Shinjo I agree plus aszhara is incredibly powerful in the ways of magic and illusion... No doubt after the fall of sargeras she noticed and decided to make some moves

[@mavblur1]

That's what I'm hoping.

[@juromaru777]

That was a great video! Loved your reaction.

[@texbc2000]

jaina has become the mother of dragons.

[@greymanefxi6404]

James Mcgown more like mother of boats.

[@voidwalker6581]

U mean mother of pigs

[@honv1990]

Void Walker nah mother of my children

[@amouramarie]

I mean, if she and Kalec can get around the species barrier....

[@tstar-mike5831]

Just finished playing the scenario on both sides and watched the cinematic for the first time there. What did you think of her conversation with Saurfang?

[@DenSchimmige]

For lady Jaina ^^

[@cainabel6356]

For the Arch Mage!

[@weeabooshunter4759]

For The Alliance, now and forever!

[@michaelcoffey1991]

Great reaction :) an LOVE seeing Sylvanas for whom she has ALWAYS BEEN. Evil and Selfish. AN yes the Jana boat was wtf omg amazing.

[@derekisazombie39]

Sylvanas is such a badass, Best Warchief so far. Then again, I main an undead. Hehehe

[@GenericUsername-qp1ww]

best Warchief? so making the Horde tthe obvious bad guys makes her the best Warchief to u? or is it simply cuz "undead boobies"?

[@merrythoughts1306]

Just a quick recap here. Sylvanas was driven, but not devoid of empathy, while she was seeking to destroy Arthas. She actually cared for the undead as she identified with their plight (as it was the same as hers). She even became obsessed with finding a way to have the undead "procreate". After the fall of Arthas she felt there was no longer any reason to continue her cursed existence. She threw herself off the Frozen Throne and landed on saronite(the blood of the old god made metal). As she died(again) she saw nothing but horror and darkness awaiting her (perhaps a false vision from the old gods). She was approached by Valkyrie who offered to save her before she succumbed completely to death. She is now driven to stay alive at any costs and has become bitter as her existence has become what it is: bleak and pointless beyond staying alive(at least this is what she has come to believe). This has led her to a rather bleak view that the the only purpose to be found is through strife, by creating or overcoming it. How much the old gods play into this whole situation is unclear, but I guarantee they will be making an appearance as the story-line progresses.

[@JPooger]

Sylvanas sure don't like cities.

[@lokilexx]

In the book about Arthas, it has a chapter in it were Sylvanas is watching them test the blight on a human girl they have captive and she is all smiles pretty much licking her lips at what she is watching. they test it on a one of her people as well but she does not get off to it as much as she does watching the human girl's fear and suffering.

[@Ľubor_Fabian]

look Jaina face on this part 4:09 little secret !? :-\

[@vld7759]

Just found out what happened, was busy singing on the sea.

[@frydsaman6857]

idle animations dont find their way into cutscenes...

[@odesel]

Yeah, she found out about the tree in that moment, cause before she was busy singing on the sea and levitating the flying dutchwoman out of the sea lul. So thats why she was surprised

[@FRugar7]

So then... how did she know to just show up at UC if she was JUST learning about the burning...?

[@Austin-no4vs]

She looked confused.

[@PrimetimeD]

Really enjoy your reaction videos Panser. Thanks for sharing your feels. :)

[@Mijochda]

I swear to god if Sylvanas becomes a raid boss and not the leader of a new faction Imma be so pissed. That's my queen right there. FOR SYLVANAS!

[@MrWowtanking]

I truly deeply hate her and want her dead. But ...i got to agree with you that she shouldn't be a raid boss. A new faction with undead races of all kind would be cool.

[@vincevince2414]

YAS. I can't with those ''honorable orcs' anymore who would rather die then protect the futur of their people. A new faction would be amazing.

[@drankydrank1]

I'm 100% for a new faction. These Horde snowflakes can have their "honor". And die with it. Victory for Sylvanas was what I was told 13yrs ago, and what I'm still down with today.

[@SirReffo]

I don't want to spoil anything, the chance of a new (playable) faction is extremly unlikely. But I do believe she'll either sacrifice herself in some way as a form of redemption OR leave the horde and create her own "faction". Her becoming a raid boss is unlikely. Read the new book "Before the Storm" it ends with something I will spoil below this. SPOILER WARNING! In the book, Arthas sister, Calia Menethil (The rightful heir to Lordaeron) is discovered to be alive. Then she is killed by Sylvanas, but brought to the priest orderhall and ressurected by Alonsus Faol (Undead) and Anduin as a sort of "holy undead", a merge of light and dark. It is possible that this is buildup to a new ruler of the forsaken (but that is speculative).

[@reaper61989]

Mijochda she’s definitely gonna be a raid boss. They basically turning her into the new Garrosh

[@ZephWraen]

4:09 "You put the torch to Teldrassil" watch Jaina's eyes. She wasn't even aware Teldrassil had fallen.

[@munrawow]

I still waiting for Vol'jin's words "no one will understand" to make sense

[@toggtlas7099]

JPGard - Oh please, too much faith in Blizzards writing. They just invent lore as they go. In Cata they promised Garrosh as leader of the Horde would make sense to the players. Nope. Just insane.

[@drewhernandez2680]

when Panser laughs as they hearth away...LOL classic! made me laugh too

[@angryeldritch7476]

Sylvanas is amazing

[@GenericUsername-qp1ww]

nah, she's a nutjob/undead Hilary Clinton

[@Einomar]

KazuHiashi Nope not in anyway amazing, just annoying.

[@angryeldritch7476]

Sounds like a bunch of babies but okay

[@bejmal86]

Sylvanas's story is a pretty common story-type, its a cycle of trauma that began with Arthas. Arthas made the same compromises to save his own and that led to his fall. Along the way, Sylvanas was one of his many victims. Her way of overcoming that trauma has tragically led her down the same path as Arthas, it didn't have to, but her path was one of the ways that characters can act in that situation.

[@bethbearmacethatguy]

It's called scorched earth.

[@Shiirow]

the scorched earth tactic is the military equivalent of licking all the cookies because you couldnt have any. the act of a desperate and petulant child.

[@namic2007]

I would like to point out the following. Sylvanas: At the start of the battle she evacuated her people even when she was sure they would win. When things went south she was the LAST to leave the UC. Tyrande: When the battle of Darkshore started decided that they were so powerful they would win and didn't evacuate anyone. At the first sign of trouble (Malfurion's injury) turned tail and hearthed the Stormwind. The Night Elves had plenty of time to evacuate that tree, but decided to let their egos prevent them from thinking they could lose. The people who died in the fire, their blood is on Tyrande's hands.

[@EijiShinjo48]

Sylvanas, Alleria and Vereesa the 3 HOT sisters 😍 If Blizzard kills Sylvanas like Garrosh i will Rage. Garrosh i didn't care about him because was a Garbage Character. But Sylvanas is another story, she was always a Good Character since WC3, she deserves to live

[@Firestream175]

Sylvanas just used some actual war tactic, called 'scorched earth' . If you can't win destroy everything the enemy could somehow use for themself. Her trap failed, but she left the Alliance leaders with nothing but dead people and nothing to gain. I think she played her cards better than in the burning of Teldrasil event^^

[@mhdoe]

I love Sylvanas more and more every day and the Alliance keeps walking into trap after trap FOR THE HORDE!!!!!!!!

[@ndaemon1718]

For The Forsaken! :)

[@bizerker1497]

I've played that quest on both sides. I like to see both stories. Well done!

[@FancyTophatDude]

I'm waiting for the day nathanos just once in his goddamn life says no to sylvanas!

[@Five050]

Haha, I know. He's such a door mat.

[@stormscoming16]

he's gettin that sylvanas booty, no way he will say no

[@breebrazel2920]

I don't think that's ever going to happen. His current human body is the body of his cherished little cousin, who Sylvanas presented to him as a replacement for his crumbling form and he willingly accepted for the ritual. Oh, and his cousin was alive when he made this decision, by the way.

[@Dubbartist]

Why? All is going according to plan?

[@sacrosby]

Breeana Brazel oh wow...I've always hated that douchebag Nathanos!

[@88rixadzin88]

Never relished in torture? Have you played Western Plaguelands quest line? She seems to draw quite a bit a pleasure for pulling that BE Death Knight (don't recall his name) underneath Undercity to "reeducate" him.

[@bethbearmacethatguy]

I love it, they lost Darnassus plus the massive amounts of men and resources in this battle and got nothing. We lost a dusty sewer. For the Horde! For the Warchief!

[@tinkywinkywonky6903]

Punished Snake since when you became like this snake?

[@rivh4246]

Mooni queen When we found out snakes can take out armies as weak as the ones the Alliance has.

[@LeChevalierduLys]

Anyone remembers the exchange between Sylvanas and Garrosh in silverpine, where she says the only way her people can survive is by creating more forsaken and Garrosh tells her she is becoming just like Arthas? She is waging a war against the living, she doesn’t care about the living. Even the Void says “She is the true enemy” ...

[@TxnBBQ75]

Bubble Hearth FTW! haha

[@ZirionSpitfire]

I can wholeheartedly say that something is up with Sylvanas. I'm not saying she's out of character, and I'm not trying to justify the stuff she's done recently, but with Christie Golden and similar writers of her ilk behind the story I can't help but feel like there's more to this. Blizzard have been purposefully leaking things for BfA which we now know to be false. I feel like this is all a misdirection to make us think that she is THE big bad guy. I mean we are obviously going to be dealing with Azshara and N'Zoth… So why all this build up for the war?

[@Shiirow]

because Blizzard is just lazy and want to continue screeching For the Horde at Blizzcon.

[@eduardobissani]

She didn't relied on torture prior to this? Like she did when she made experiments with Alliance prisoners, even with those Horde "volunteers"? Or when she bombed Gilneas? Maybe when she enslaved and tortured Odyn's val'kyrs, wich by the way were on our side? If she's not into torturing, why she kept developing the plague? Why did she went against the orders of Garrosh? Enough with this "Sylvanas was an anti-hero" or "she's not evil" crap, her character arc is evolving and if Blizzard plays the redemption card on her I'll set fire to my whole library, because she is not willing for redemption anyway.

[@ndaemon1718]

Redemption is for the living. The forsaken will slaughter anyone that comes in her path. :)

[@sforzie]

Jaina: I BROUGHT A BOAT, WHAT UP. Everyone else: That is both hot and terrifying.

[@davincentcode3662]

I play horde, always have, but I freaking love JAINA!!! Always have... xD

[@vinayshravan]

Sylvanas is a mere pawn, the moment she fell of icecrown and was impaled by saronite her mind was not her's anymore saronite the blood of yogg saron not only tears the body apart but corrupts the the soul as well, she constantly gets whispers like "They are coming for you..." and "Kill them all... before they kill you..." the battle for Azeroth is probably between two old gods

[@Obsidiankid]

Sorry, totally wrong. She has always been playing cat and mouse. She has always relished in torture. It's always been who she is.

[@alisunchained]

Wowhead has a nifty collection of lore bits from the novels, including an argument between her and Saurfang that hints at the motivation being, "Make the world one kingdom, and make it Undead." While I don't do it justice, if that's what they're aiming at here, then I can definitely see the "morally grey" bit.

[@Vicioussama]

Jaina ftw. Also, Arthas hurt Sylvanas. She's been this bad since Vanilla lol. Do people forget her research into plague to kill all the living and such? Yes, it was used against her in WoTLk, but she still has been pretty bad.

[@ndaemon1718]

yeah but.. the plague 2.0 had way less calories! For the Forsaken!

[@KN_Dingowarrior]

When one fights an Evil they Directly oppose for long enough, more often then not, one then lives to see themselves become Evil. Good writing Does Not = Good Feelings Good writing = that Spark that ignites any Powerful feelings You can't put Human Ideals on Sylvanis, IT is a dead thing that lacks any positive emotion or empathy. IT can no longer understand the Living.

[@swr1240]

Never loved Sylvanas more than I do now. 😍 Best writing since Wrath. For the Horde! FOR SYLVANAS!

[@kristofferp5480]

Yikes

[@salmarwow]

For the Horde? Don't be silly. At the end of the expansion your warchief will scream "For the Void!".

[@kristofmagyaros2410]

you should read the short novels then. Its states the the void is literally afraid of Slyvanas, and wants her dead at any cost. While the Alliance willingly let the Void in to its rank with Alleria.

[@MarkLee1]

Best writing? Four imbeciles enter the throne room with the intent of killing or capturing an enemiy (and a war criminal), but instead just talk and try look scary, yet let the enemy approach their king. But the enemy, because it decides to push them back, levitate a couple of seconds while screaming, instead of using those couple seconds to slit the king's throat, turns out to be an imbecile as well.

[@TheBloopers30]

This is legit the worst writing in the game.

[@MirrorDomains]

It never occured to me there would be a horde side of this.... curious. So you didn't get to see Saurfang get captured?

[@DeathMarch]

The influence of what Alliances' streamers think is in full effect to Horde players thinking. Don't be that Horde player. The alliances broke the peacepact when they attacked her in Stormhime, they attacked the goblins and kept gathering Azrite in the tree from OUR continent to gain power; that is what made her do that. She is doing it for the Horde. If the motivation of the attack on Sylvanas and the goblins is because what happened on the broken shore, they are the ones who need to fact check their reasons not us. Sylvanas is not a Garrosh she is a better version. Vol'jin knew that, " Many will not understand" His dying words. For The Horde.

[@DeathMarch]

JoJo is not an anime fact check these 2 incidents. SI-7 attacked first; days after that the league came, then we attacked. Why? It looked like round two of the assault. With the Dog and Sylvanas the attack on her was not for nothing but vengeance. Anduin does not know of either attacks. He just follow what the dog tell him( Just like Arthus ). Arial too doesn’t know anything ( the look on her face when Anduin mentioned the tree is obvious that she doesn’t know a thing of why they are attacking.) yet she was willing to kill! Why for revenge.

[@worf786]

I didn't know Anduin had a type of font on his side =)

[@DeathMarch]

Larryg “Under da sea”

[@Drakhesh]

Not to mention Greymane never even got as much as slap on the hand for breaking direct orders, attacking an ally during the Legion invasion, and both stealing and destroing the Alliance airship - all to fuel his own vengence. Anduin loves to talk about peace, but does jack diddly to actually strive for it. There can be no peace, if one side does not bother with upholding it.

[@piko7769]

Death March Gaming Uhm you YOU should have shared the azzerite since it was in neutral territory.

[@margisama]

Also note...including that moment in before the storm, that brief moment of hesitation when she handed him her bow was the third time we've seen Nathanos hesitate over her orders. It would be an interesting parallel...Alleria and Turalyon's relationship is becoming strained, and now it seems Nathanos and Sylvanas aren't quite as perfectly in tune either.

[@marcofigueroa7131]

THE DOUGHTER OF THE SEA HAS ARRIVED BITCHES

[@marcofigueroa7131]

Ok crazy theory....that's really Aszhara using the Sylvana's body, thas why we haven't see the Aszhara warbringer video and that's why Nathanos always hesitate with Sylvanas commands. jajaja

[@Vagenlitefoot]

why are they making the Horde the bad guys. up til now neither side was evil. I'm so out on this expansion.

[@blackvial]

Vagenlitefoot because they are locking a lot of this story behind a pay wall to get the motivations

[@441greenleaf]

no, as you see saurfang and that tauren are resisting her slowly. horde is not bad. sylvanas and unforsaken are

[@salmarwow]

There are more than enough Horde which are not Sylvanas-style bitches. Saurfang is the first which comes to mind.

[@MintyCoffee]

Sylvannas was always evil. Know your lore.

[@cks796]

See you at launch.

[@TuberoseKisser]

It's so heartbreaking to see both Teldrassil and Undercity get destroyed, I loved both zones and were the best of their respective factions, even as alliance I would go to the ruins of lorderon and as horde I would go to Teldrassil.

[@Loug522]

Jaina did look badass in this cinematic, but I still trust on whatever my Queen has planned. Lok'tar Ogar!

[@meldarions4458]

has anyone realize yet that she has out moved the alliance twice now in three weeks lol and the second time she almost killed the alliance leadership off. lol she is a banshee and dead lol the name of the game is win.

[@ZoeLycan]

Oh look that's the 3rd City Sylvanas destroys so far (Gilneas included, for you Hordies that know nothing about lore and never seen the Worgens intro) (your welcome) So silvanas is still good in your eyes? Not the story you wanted to hear? Well maybe know you can start to understand how Alliance have felt for the past 13 years. oh wait you are Horde... you won't...and celebrate the burning of teldrasil, just like those who celebrated the 9-11

[@the_corbo_blanc4119]

Hey kid have you forgottent the story of your favorite dogs? Yeah that's right they closed their doors and didn't help Lordaeron when the Scourge killed everyone. It is just justice that they lost their kingdom. And Sylvanas did nothing but protecting the Hordes anyway so idk what you are talking about anyway.

[@huntera.4623]

Allen Walker - They defended their people no matter the cost. Just as Sylvanas supposedly is now.

[@ZoeLycan]

Allen Walker exactly you don't know, and know nothing. Go play both factions if you want to learn the full story, the Alliance waits for you

[@ZoeLycan]

Oooh wow, a Horde baby calling Alliance a 12 year old... That joke got old in classics. Let me guess you are 13, sure a big boy in its teens. Sylvanas is evil and has no honor, accept it

[@the_corbo_blanc4119]

What honor? this is war you want to survive? you kill that's it.

[@filosuu]

Notice Jaina's eyes in 4:09 when Anduin talks about Teldrassil.

[@jasontobias9856]

Is anyone else wondering where she sent Nathanos off to? Or was it just to get the ship ready for flying away?

[@Deltabull9]

It’s not about “if I can’t have it no one can” it’s about bleeding even more alliance forces. They had their entire army their and opportunity missed if sylvanas didn’t kill as many as possible. The warchief is thinking the long term survival of the horde and that means tough decisions have to be made.

[@captaincindy_]

When Anduin and his followers made entrance to Lordaeron, that moment was so iconic, it gave me shivers and goosebumps. As if it was a deja-vu of the downing of Lordaeron in Warcraft III

[@Snagprophet]

Im watching this six months later and it's still not gone anywhere

[@stanleyho8009]

You’re really horse?! I love Sylvanas! ❤️ from a lot of your reactions it seems everytime you support alliance. To me it looks like you everytime pretend to be horde and are actually for alliance. I mean King Anduin dying + Glenn, Jaina and sister Windrunner is just great. Sylvanas all the way badass and best warchief. I couldn’t wish for a better warchief, she is the only warchief that truly gave us justice and crushed the alliance on another level

[@aislingyngaio]

"Sylvanas has never been like a cat toying with a mouse." How quickly you forget the way she poisoned arthas with a paralyzing arrow purely so she can relish in his slow death back in TFT.

[@mole62ssf]

What happened to Saurfang? And Zekhan? (Zappi Boi). Haven't yet done Alli side and hope it tells. They couldn't just fall without word. A week before knowing?

[@2891ef]

This is all a strategic move from Sylvannas. She got rid off the alliance stronghold in Kalimdor and gave up Undercity in the eastern kingdoms, so that all of the horde will gather in one continent (Kalimdor). Thats where silithus is and where most of the azerite is located. Looks to me the a making moves to have control of that resource. while taking down as many alliance in the process as she can.