Trail Bike Vs XC Bike With Annie Last

[@literallyanythingelseother]

Loving the xc stuff, but maybe a bit more of hardtail/not 7k xc bikes. It's awesome to see the XC content, but there is a massive different between XC pro racers and like 90% of people who ride xc

[@tristansaucedo6395]

They do stuff that applies to to pretty much all bikes...

[@literallyanythingelseother]

tristan saucedo What?

[@gweflj]

Yeah that's the trail bike. Hardtails suck for anything but less tech XC racing and even then most would be better off on FS.

[@Errorcode403]

+gweflj but they are alot of fun :)

[@marcelinorocha949]

+Russell Aaron thu es bonita e linda is brasilian gars!

[@scottcampbell10]

"Extra button & extra hose just weight you dont need." There would be more added weight on the bike if you forgot to take a shit in the morning

[@huwhigginsworrall340]

+Scott some racers do get rid of the paint, however I would rather have my frame weigh 50 grams heavier and get tons of money from sponcers.

[@mikeg2939]

+Scott I'm sure xc riders would cut their ears and noses off to save weight if they didn't need them to keep their glasses in place

[@coen8323]

Huw Higgins worrall I bet there is a lot more than 50 grams of paint on your bike

[@babylon4953]

It all ads up

[@BR525]

Thank you!! As a complete rookie I appreciate someone has taken the time to make this video and explain stuff so well.

[@matthewwarhurst1638]

You should do a video where you do an XC course with a dropper post and without a dropper post to see whether the weight gain is worth it.

[@andybloomer]

Now that's a video worth doing, my guess, way faster with a dropper. All that time they make on the climbs completely lost tip toeing on the downhill section

[@mikeg2939]

+Matthew Warhurst In one vidio Neil and Slugger did ride a trail without using the dropper posts. Can't remember what the reason was but it will probably still be available to watch.

[@SpMoose]

I'd take the additional weight of a dropper post and do without the bar ends.

[@jacobdent8465]

Please do some hardtail stuff!

[@gweflj]

Why? A motorbike mag wouldn't be stupid enough to review something with only front suspension.

[@gmbn]

+Jacob Dent coming soon!!!

[@jacobdent8465]

+gweflj considering they aren't a mag and they don't often talk about motorbikes (Neil rides a crosser) and also most of the 'beginner' mountain bikers that benefit from how-to's the most ride hardtail's as they are easier and cheaper.

[@gweflj]

What's there to know? You'll have shit rear braking and grip and the geo will get steeper when you least want it to.

[@wnm6373]

+Jacob Dent check out my latest video of a sick trail at gardasee which is sooo long!!! subscribe and like if you enjoyed it :D ty for ur support!

[@ericjonpo]

Annie: "...and I've got bar ends." Neil: ... Annie: ...

[@dbpooper7512]

Maybe do a video on cycling etiquette. Things like passing (or being passed) on single track trails. I always feel as though I'm behaving rudely.

[@trevanthomas7242]

Yield to uphill riders and tell them how many are in your group on the way down. That's about it.

[@anonyesshadow3602]

Trevan Thomas No. There is much more to it.

[@thingsdemystified]

Did they talk about wheel size? What about gearing? Brakes?

[@irelandstudios]

Hey guys, just made my new mountain bike edit! Complete different approach to your usual edit...hope you enjoy! Cheers! 😄😄😄😄

[@Ahaggah]

I think having a dropper post is totally worth it, even though it's heavier than a regular seatpost, having a low saddle just helps so much more on the descents than saving that little bit of weight does on the uphills.

[@DavidBrownFan]

I was actually a cross country die hard but fell in love with trail riding or enduro and I'm converting my almost purebred aluminium xc bike to a 140mm trail bike hardtail it's going great so far!!

[@MrCaiofern]

+David Brown Fan I've done something similar to one of my XC too.

[@erichopham]

What have you changed? What bike do you have?

[@DavidBrownFan]

+Eric Pham i have a scott aspect 620 so far ive purchased rock shox tora 318 forks and a dropper

[@erichopham]

+David Brown Fan what dropper? Still got the front derailleur?

[@DavidBrownFan]

+Eric Pham for now i do have a front mech and ive borrowed a rockshox reverb for an enduro race as ive not saved up enough to buy my own

[@dannyboy8183]

I chosen carbon fiber cranks, handlebars and dropper seatpost for my specialized stumpjumper carbon my over all experience I love how it rides on the climbs not sacrificing downhill handling

[@wxdTSU2brt]

I see Annie as GMBN presenter, she was perfect :-))

[@justincase7109]

+LogicalVolume I'll second that!

[@fauziyudiashari9456]

+LogicalVolume you can say that again

[@StonnieDennis]

Thanks!

[@thingsdemystified]

I think this is more of a race bike vs trail bike comparison. Aside from the weight and strength differences, there really isn't that much of a difference between the two other than the dropper post. Both bikes can do pretty much the same thing. What separates them may be if you take them downhill. I'm guessing the XC race bike may not be as durable. The difference between 100mm and 140mm is 1.6 inches. That doesn't seem like much. I just slapped a 150mm 36mm fork on my XC bike (came with a 100mm fork), and now I'm having fun doing all mountain stuff. I love this fork! Sure the back is stuck at 100mm, but that's no different than a hard tail with a 140mm fork.

[@VAX1970]

She was a breathe of fresh air

[@symontabbenor2186]

I love the way you get biking celebrities on your videos. Keep it coming !

[@davidfried1356]

Good overview to cover the basics. I will share this. Thanks!

[@teeevjed9660]

Look how sceptical Neil looks at her when she is explaining something. :D

[@johnc6508]

Thats because he wants to sniff her saddle

[@cartermacrenaris705]

john c lol

[@ns671fr]

Lol

[@MrTay675]

Neil and Annie do a great job as presenters together and really hit a huge audience with their styles and experience. More videos should come from this.

[@Xzefreeman]

One thing that keeps away enduro from people is their expensive bike builds, you can get a lightweight XC hardtail for about >1000$ now with a decent fork and groupset. You guys should do videos on hardtails more, there is this new trending enduro hardtails around the web thats making huge hits. bikes like, commencal HT, Modraker vantage, Specialized Fuse +, Dartmoor Hornet, NS surge evo, raggley mmbop etc i could go on and on. As a Student with an XC bike and using it to shred on gnarly singletracks, I'm planning to sell my XC bike and move on to build one of them AM hardtails. I reckon i could spend less than a 1000$ on a good Commencal HT build.

[@iainthavinthat]

I don't agree with you. I think that a real lightweight XC hardtail is a lot more expensive than a decent AM hardtail.

[@Xzefreeman]

+iainthavinthat oh sorry, i forgot to mention i was comparing a lightweight XC bike to an Full sus Enduro. :D Im planning on building an AM hardtail soon and its gonna be cheaper than a usual XC builtbike.

[@petayV8]

After riding a fs for 2 years I'm building a hardtail because I miss riding one. They are fun

[@bricksinthemail5543]

Thanks Annie - love your work!

[@unavailable352]

i wish my girlfriend would look at me the way Neil looks at Annie

[@jackfitzpatrick668]

+Andrew Vallejos RT

[@fbiopenup4773]

Sceptical ???

[@samdanin4125]

are neal and annie together?

[@TheJofrica]

Not even, y'all thirsty

[@Forgiven209]

Lmao🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@kshred3043]

The main theme of this video was weight versus strength. It would have been really interesting and informative if the actual weights of the two bikes were measured and revealed.....

[@korup7ion951]

i have found due to the lightweight and suspension lockout of XC bikes they are easier to adapt for road riding, just putting slick tires on mine i'm almost as fast as a road bike i want to try changing the gearing and putting some drop bars on it

[@haitz4]

You could do some hardcore hardtail stuff tho. They are perfect for people that are low on money, and want to try some enduro/am/trail/freeride. Im talking about cheaper ones like Dartmoor Primal/Hornet, NS Eccentric etc.

[@Pienimusta]

Full susp XC, what is this heresy ! Awesome bikes ;D

[@noweyout4855]

Damn, Don! What have you been doing to your bike? Those dings on the downtube are heartbreaking!!

[@gmbn]

+Wey Nguyen I lent it to Scott!

[@MahipalSingh-ph5xy]

Wey Nguyen xx

[@JuanPaoloBernardo]

Wonderful and informative! Thanks guys!

[@drewcama5481]

Bar ends!? U mean I can put my old bar ends on my new bike with out looking like a total looser? Totally good, well explained the differences. Neil your at your best with a bike in hand not behind a desk. A+ in presentation.

[@pablod3734]

I go to trails with my $700 hard tail rockhopper and I have a blast every time !!! Maybe some day I will upgrade for a fancier bike full of shiny colors and more agresiva look but for now I feel I have more than enough.

[@MrCaiofern]

XC girls are usually so beautiful, the most beautiful women of the cycling world. Annie is definitely one of them.

[@BenTheBikerBoy]

+Caio Fern Emily Batty ftw

[@luisafonsorocha1005]

jollanda is the best ;)

[@viktorlenart1125]

+Caio Fern Pauline Ferrand-Prevot, damn

[@luisafonsorocha1005]

+Uki i don't think so. But it's your opinion ;)

[@klmemamp5001]

WTF? Are you on drugs?

[@jgmtb7688]

brilliant video guys thanks 👍

[@rcthunder7778]

OK so I need to know soon, I'm looking into a bike better than Walmart lol, I see the Norco 7.4 with extra small frame, it's over my price range but does have everything I need plus some, so that is an XC bike (right?) but I need to be able to do it all, so ride around town, jump up and down curbs, and stairs, but I also need a bike that will go down trails with a few dirt jumps, I'm a wus so I don't do much but it's enough to look cool lol So what do you guys think? Should I get the bike or keep looking and find maybe a trek even though the one I seen in my price range didn't have disc brakes As I've said I need to know soon, hopefully before Thursday! Thanks guys most people are super helpful

[@JustinIsJustout]

Keep doing what you're doing! Its awesome!

[@locar12]

love this comparo. cheers!

[@harsdensus88]

Is Annie sister of Tom Last in gcn?

[@Chrissummerill]

Yes.

[@ledcessna158]

Didn't know bar-ends were still a thing.

[@ledcessna158]

+poolehart Boooooo

[@augustbj1]

+LedCessna And 640 mm bars. That's just ancient

[@kawaspresso3228]

+LedCessna I don't have bar-ends on my 720mm XC handlebar

[@TheGrundigg]

+Kawaspresso lol 720 xc sounds like an oxymoron :P I am wierd and run 440mm xc with bar ends and I still rode quite hard dh stuff :)

[@TheMatt365]

+poolehart "urns"....hehe. not many people got that I bet.

[@esparsap]

More Annie please!

[@peterjagt]

It would be nice if GMBN would do a bit more XC videos. Annie could do that job perfectly!

[@michiganoutdoors8439]

I have a flat bar dual sport and I am wondering what i can do with it whether it road or it be low intensity mtb. I have front forks that i can adjust or lock out, about an 1 1/2 to 2 inches of stem and some what thick tires you could probably still consider them road tires though.

[@alantaylor6691]

I like that concept, "low intensity mtb". That's my cup of tea!

[@naushilb]

Hey guys, can you do a video on building a backyard pump track? =)

[@alerma7]

Thank you. Trying to find proper size.

[@bramfronik]

nothing about the geometry? wheelbase, head-angle and seat-angle?

[@sldkjfasljfwaoptiuwa]

+bramf head angle should have been one of the first things covered in this video.

[@sldkjfasljfwaoptiuwa]

+bramf head angle should have been one of the first things covered in this video.

[@gweflj]

It's GMBN man. Did you expect to learn something? Clearly Annie is clueless and Neil is hardly a tech guru is he? No offence intended. They're both amazing riders in their respective disciplines.

[@johanneskastner3875]

Anyone else noticed Annies voice? Awesome!

[@joeyates6267]

Can you do a video on Carbon fibre mountain bikes vs Aluminum Mountain bikes

[@sebagesche]

yhank you very much guys for posting more and more xc stuff, its awesomer XD

[@mikebunero6147]

flat black paint scheme is sweet

[@Fluterra]

Make no mistake: a lightweight XC bike is WAY more fun, even for non-racers. Easier to pedal, more nimble... they cost more, but oh so worth it!

[@alantaylor6691]

Really? Cool! I'm thinking of making one out of chinese carbon and second hand highish-end groupset parts. I think I can do that for about $1,500 USD. Would you consider 10kg as lightweight XC bike? What about a full-rigid lightweight XC bike, would that be viable if you're not going too fast?

[@TheROOTminus1]

"Whereas with XC you put the saddle in the perfect height for peddling and then just get on with it" I imagine super light droppers will be a focus for designers to make them a worthwhile option for XC.

[@saisubhamsaisubham3863]

Neil which your favourite bike cross country, trail , enduro , Down hill bikes.

[@JustFrana]

the thing with rims was bit odd ,Roval Sl"s are carbon and strong as shit...But not saying alloy ain't strong I mean look at spank and hope....

[@pauliebass85]

My legs hurt from the amount of times Annie mentioned the word 'climbing'...

[@neptunevibe]

Annie Last is called like that because in competitions she always finished last.. which is her thing. So we can trust her!

[@enduromaseti1651]

Hi can you make a video with fork rebound set up configuration?

[@RMaier2249]

great vid but 640mm wide bars? That is super narrow for xc bikes these days

[@OsellaSquadraCorse]

+Rob Maier 'cos it's a Female rider with narrower shoulders perhaps? ;)

[@renategaffney4872]

Make a video on how to do an endo turn

[@terryvallette3022]

yes I really like the fatbike! want to really get it upgraded for heavy trail riding. the Colorado trail is my greatest endever. and want to do it with my fatbike. can you help? I'm currently building a yeti hard tail fatbike with a fox 34 front fork.

[@richardruns4cake]

Really good film

[@mortokai9]

Neil only said to drop a comment if u had only cross country set up tips..... so obviously the Don's bike setup is so on point that even a world cup racer can't even compare lol

[@Max_Mustermann_]

@ 3:18 Just because it is carbon doesn't mean it is light. My scandium seatpost is lighter and costs about half as much.

[@bullseye0112]

good stuff guys thanks! what type of dropper post are you using Neil?

[@Henryduk]

I think it's a reverb on this bike

[@moritz9294]

I think Neil not only wants to ride his bike to day

[@jobursch9564]

im in love

[@hedemalmcarl]

I use a trail bike for XC but then i just have a slightly long stem, i like mine short otherwise for anything 30 REAR AND 20 front? I like 25 rear and 30 front

[@Bacciagalupe]

Nice

[@sebastien_8578]

I saw some kind of pink rings on Annie's forks. Is that for customisation or is it an help for setting the pumps ?

[@Overdozeofthedemoscene]

the saddle position is interesting... :) i think the frame is too big for the owner.

[@hamadmohammad9772]

Are the angles of both the seat post and the front wheel different between these two bikes?! Does the trail bike has more slacker angles ?

[@m00nchildblues]

most Olympians have a personality of a rock.smile more girl you have lots to be happy for, like that free $15k bike!

[@alvarofue]

You missed the brakes! Those rotors on the XC bike look tiny lol.

[@E620SE]

+alvarofue 160mm front and rear, just watch her presentation of the bike

[@aledska]

1:29-1:36 did we just catch Neil looking down there?

[@HOTnannes]

Can you use like an Trek Fuel EX 29" for xc racing and training, and still got the travel for some fun all around trails? Or is it better to buy a full on xc race bike?

[@jisjohn1485]

What's the difference between trail and hardtail

[@EnderOnFire14]

I need to see some sibling rivalry between Annie and Tom.. Surprised they both weren't in the GCN vs GMBN videos.. :/

[@janmichaelportugaleza405]

Should I get a XC fullsus bike or a hardtail?

[@Forestamp2024]

what about bike geometry is it different(what kind of geometry bike need to have to call it a trail bike),and i saw some "hardtail trail" bikes,what do u think about them they are without rear suspension but alot cheaper than full susp trail bikes!

[@patientestant]

I ride an old hardtail and race it in XC. Our course can be very bumpy (6-12+ inches tall bumps) and the descents are often on DH trails. I'm not super competitive, just having a good time. When I do get a new bike it will definitely be full suspension (FS). FS definitely helps climbing over obstacles especially when I am pushing so hard that it is hard to stand up. A rock that or bump that is a few inches can really kill momentum when climbing. If you don't have really bumpy trails, or you're not racing, etc, hardtails are a great way to save money.

[@Forestamp2024]

Yeh but im speaking about trail ones and XC ones,there is difference between hardtail trail and xc bike in geometry handlebars stem e.t.c so im asking what kind of hardtail is considered as a trail hardtail if u know what i mean! :)

[@JoeriVanGinneken]

maybe you can do a Fox vs RockShox vid , a huge discussion point in the MTB community.

[@OsellaSquadraCorse]

+Joeri Van Ginneken They could.. but why? What happens when Magura, Maverick, Marzocchi or Suntour ask that question..? Perhaps they could do a Marzocchi vs Rockshox vid, or an RST vs Rockshox vid, or a Manitou vs Rockshox vid - those were all "huge" at times before..? Just because narrow-minded people want to bitch about this brand vs that brand, doesn't make a worthwhile use of time & HD space ;)

[@ivanenage6545]

Neil looks like he's inlove. hahaha

[@dapperlygrungy3189]

OMG!. I'm a first time buyer. I'm already confused. I don't want a beginner bike, because I want something that will be full proof should I ride more often. But then, I don't need a competition bike. Which should I buy? I saw a Cannondale Spra for $1050 USD. Is this a good bike?

[@ムース-r5d]

which is better for tricks, xc or enduro/trail?

[@TriRussell1]

Why don't you put grip tape on the bar ends?

[@superchunkymonkey9191]

I have a hybrid between XC and trail bike

[@vessela84]

All the way! I put a 760mm bar and 50mm stem on my Merida one-twenty. Love it! Oh, and also flats :D

[@alantaylor6691]

Can you explain this hybrid? Does that mean the tyres are about 60mm, no suspension, and that the tube lengths and angles of the frame are specced in between an XC and trail bike? I suppose maybe what you're describing is a full-rigid mtb?

[@jtrent3960]

please you guys have a casual race

[@iangirling4943]

oooohhhh. that negative rise bar though......

[@thomasmcmichael508]

If I really enjoy a downhill bike compared to a xc bike, would I still be able to effectively use a downhill bike on a flatter bike park?

[@patientestant]

I would say no. The DH models for the companies I am familiar with have 8 inches of travel, weigh 40+ pounds (unless you pay a lot of money for premium), and have poor pedaling efficiency. An all-mountain or enduro bike would be fine though and they still have a lot of travel, but have the geometry and components for pedaling.

[@cameronroche9239]

+Global Mountain Bike Network Hi guys, something else you could have included was brake rotor size, generally a bit bigger on a full sus trail bike than the XC bike. Also, I have a couple of video ideas, you should do "A day in the life of a GMBN presenter", and "How to make a GMBN video". Cheers! :)

[@jtrent3960]

just please ride your bikes!!! we started watching your channel because we love watching you guys ride!!!!!!!!!

[@heinrichkleist3473]

Re: seat posts: "In cross country, we just get on with it." Ja Annie Last!

[@nickash5]

Do a cross country and dirt jump bike hard tails all with fat tyres. Trail ride set up and shoot out. So many full sus bikes out there. I feel like the odd one out at the trail. I sold off my full sus years ago.

[@haggis2210]

Neil's face when Annie said bar ends

[@anguscunningham3157]

Dear GMBN, in all the scenes with the XC bike there is a rockshox button on the handlebars? is this just to prove a point or is being used for another device which isn't shown. thanks

[@deecarter1059]

fork lockout

[@dynamitekid8967]

earned a sub. + like! awesome video love it! I love both your bikes! Take care and have a nice day!

[@charlieseymour3403]

Bar ends? Diddnt realize I was in 1996

[@joshuaandrews2982]

where is the pro bike vid mentioned at the end?

[@DanieldelaGarza]

is it wise to have the stem that lower? She has the bearings out in the open never saw that before on any other rider!

[@patientestant]

I think you are talking about the spacers on the fork. Those are just rings on the fork tube to adjust the height. The bearings are still below the stem.

[@Trail_Shreder]

Why remote lock out? It adds weight because of the ose

[@gmbn]

But it's easier and safer to lock out on the fly, immediately out of a technical section before hitting a climb or when you're shoulder to shoulder with another racer. It's difficult to remain at 100% in a race and operate something no remote like a lockout on a fork or shock. It's worth small weight penalty

[@MrPll577]

How hard can you ride a xc bike downhill in rocky areas?

[@yuifung33]

oh Neil GT bike got scratch on the top & down tube. Will it affect the life time of carbon frame?

[@gmbn]

+yuifung33 no affect, it's just the top layer of paint! Scott