Things get crazy on White Rim Trail Overlanding - Part 2

[@handymanmlewis9566]

I've watched lots and lots of these types of vids. That has got to be the consistantly most dangerous trail so far by far. Hats off too you young man and her for not bailing on you!!! What a woman!!!!

[@janisblack2183]

You are an excellent team! You must have driven Jeeps in the Marine Corps. Pulling a trailer through all that? The wrong move and the trailer could have rolled the Jeep too. Katerina is irreplaceable! What a good spotter and good sport! Nothing like the trails in Utah and Colorado. Love your off road adventures. Keep ‘em’ coming! ❤😊

[@deathvalley1592]

TERRIFYING VIDEO. MY 17 YEAR OLD BOY HAD TO LEAVE THE ROOM AFTER JUST A BIT OF PART 2. AMAZING YOU SURVIVED THIS ORDEAL. AFTER I WATCHED THE VIDEO I JUST COULDN’T GET ANY SLEEP. THANK YOU.

[@joebledsoe257]

This has my butt so puckered up that I had to leave the room. Beautiful trail. Bravo great job of driving it. Wonderful spotting job!

[@1malikalik]

❤ Catarina is highly indispensable and an integral part of these extreme expeditions. Thanks for the incredible videos. Very helpful and equally enjoyable

[@bmwinfo7764]

Great video, thanks. Just added it to our bucket list for 2024.

[@yiyoparraga3894]

This two videos were well made! Good narration and off road tips! I thoroughly enjoy it. Great job!

[@gilbertmartinez6538]

Treacherous ...I have never been on trails any worse that that. ...those low light shots were great ...enjoyed watching from my comfy sofa!!

[@chuckcarter2315]

Just did the white rim trail last week. It was great watching your video and reliving it all. It was way more intense than I was expecting. When you combine the unmaintained roads with being 2 feet from the edge of a giant drop off it was quite an adrenaline rush. Thanks for making the video.

[@GATORADDAM]

I just did the trail 2 weeks ago after another crazy monsoon. Trail was pretty torn up. But what an adventure! I give you huge props for doing it towing a trailer. And myself for doing it alone without a spotter.

[@larrymenefee4111]

I did the WRT on a motorcycle in 2006. I now have a jeep and want to try it again. Went there last year but all trails were closed due to rain. I`ll try again in 2023. GREAT video,Thanks,looks like I will need 2 days...did it in 1 day on the bike.

[@kevintoffey8036]

I'm doing it on a CRF300L end of May. I'm happy to camp but can't get a spot. Was it too long of a day on a bike?

[@senditkevin]

​@@kevintoffey8036I'm looking to do it next year on a 250L. I was there this summer and did Hells Revenge/Fins and Things/Hurrah Pass/Gemini Bridges. Now after watching Trail Mater all summer I've been able to write down about 15 or so trails to do when I go back.

[@YvanGuay]

Very good and well done. Thank you very much

[@SnowManson]

Loved this series, can tell a lot of work went into it. Glad you still took the time to pull over and film while sweating out the gas mileage. Great commentary throughout.

[@TrailTraveler]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@rynopeers]

We were just in Utah last week and talked about doing White Rim next year, but wasn't sure if we wanted to. These 2 videos have been the best and most descriptive videos on White Rim I've seen, while doing my research. The trail looks awesome! Definitely putting it on the list for next year! Keep the videos coming, great work!!

[@fletcherbrown728]

Finally! We get to see the boss. Loved your dialogue but would rather hear more of that wonderful, sexy, accent of Katerina. You go girl.

[@madalinapodaru362]

This video is simply AMAZING, you definitely have some top notch skills off road driving! I have always wanted to do this trip but now taking a real glimpse on the actual conditions and difficulty of the roads, I think I may have just changed my mind 😆 You got rewarded with some breathtaking views! Great job for your partner Katarina! You guys make a great team! I don’t usually subscribe to channels but yours definitely deserves it! Well done!

[@TrailTraveler]

Keep in mind that this was immediately after a monsoon that really did some damage to the trail. Search for White Rim on our channel and watch our newer video after the trail had been repaired.

[@richardspanos1818]

The two of you did a great job, now you know what your capabilities are so next time you'll feel more comfortable going. and yes yuou'll run out of gas LOL. especially in that gas gusler that's why I take five gal tanks.

[@TrailTraveler]

The main issue was that we did this spur of the moment and didn't properly plan it out. In more recent big trips, we carefully map the route, calculate the number of miles, and then figure out how much case we need to make it. Our recent videos about the Maze District are a great example of route planning/gas calculations.

[@CatsMeowington]

Wow! Thanks for this great adventure I went along with you folks! I'm in my computer cave in New England at 11PM and was absolutely gasping in Part 1. I will finish this tomorrow evening sometime after the ballgame. Just incredible and your point about this vast place and wonders of the world is spot on. Hope you all are doing fine!

[@CatsMeowington]

Wow again! So glad you made it safely out. The scenery was spectacular all the time, what vastness and views mile after mile. The Green River was so beautiful. I want to thank you for doing this for me. I will be promoted you and this video to everybody I can. Thanks again and remember to bring enough gas!

[@TrailTraveler]

We are so glad you enjoyed it. I highly recommend a few of our latest videos where we go into the Maze District of Canyonlands National Park. It is just as, if not even more, amazing!

[@jeepinwithjulia]

Yikes! Shelf roads are not for me, but it's fun watching you do it!

[@ericb.4358]

Just awesome scenes! Thanks for a very detailed series of this trail that my buddy and I ate planning to do in October, 2024. I've seen White Rim Trail from the Canyonlands roads and now want to drive it. Both my buddy and I are backpackers so we know how to prepare for the camping aspect. The DRIVING ASPECT is another story. Hope we will be prepared! I did by the book on tis trail and am watching every video on it that I can find. WHY didn't you show your camp setup??

[@tomlauritzen9522]

I did the white rim trail late August 2023 Solo. Boy sure would have been nice to have someone to spot lol.

[@pi.actual]

Did the WRT 8 years ago. We knew going in that it was impassable at the end due to flooding of Green river so basically did it twice. As beautiful as it was I think I got my lifetime's quota of desert scenery on that trek and have no plans of ever going back again. I much prefer the mountains with rocks and trees rather than just rocks but hey, you gotta do it once.

[@robbryan1812]

Just did the whole trail in an f150 ext cab 8’ bed and 6” lift. Very tight with the tires over the edge in more than a few places. The turning radius made this difficult. I must say a lot of these very steep ascents and descents fried my nerves. Loved it but I would never want to go through it again. Did the whole hundred miles in one day because we wanted out!

[@jason8795]

Great two part video!! Nail biter!! I think you probably made it. Thanks for a great video!

[@Rubi747HVY]

This is most certainly one of your best trail stories.

[@bradshutler9356]

I do a fair amount of overlanding and there are times when trying to estimate your fuel consumption mileage can be off by more than you think. I carry 10 gallons of extra fuel on long trips due to only having a 19 gallon fuel tank. On 3 trips this was barely enough so now I plan for a refuel stop even if I have to drive out of the way by 10 to 30 miles to do so. Just the way it is sometimes. I was hoping you would make it.

[@chuckshoemaker1742]

Oh crap, part 2 looks way more technical than part 1. Scary as h... !

[@tdg911]

Amazing scenery. Thanks for bringing this action to us.

[@rodhester2166]

So lucky to have the adventures out there.. Cheers.

[@greghull3189]

Nice touch on the spaghetti western music.

[@gipstetz6720]

Loved part one. Hope you made it. Watching part two now. Good luck.

[@aa-xh2cg]

We did white rim back in September, three weeks after you did. Definitely agree it is much trickier now than described. Beautiful and worth the trip though if you can snag a camp spot.

[@bryanlewis8891]

Love the Hang 'em High music. I expected Clint Eastwood to materialize at any moment. 2 great videos !!

[@garyacker7388]

You won on the gas situation, I would have been sweating bullets. We filled my Jimmy in Green River and drove in from the Shafer trail until it was half spent the night and drove out on potash to Moab. I got a motel for my wife and daughter like I promised her. Great times. 👍.

[@davidterrie7661]

Great video. I'd kill to take that trail. My 2018 Sahara says nope. Ditto for driver. Amazing job getting through.

[@TrailTraveler]

A Sahara with good all-terrain tires would do just fine. If you watch our newer video about White Rim, you can see the trail is in much better condition now - kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5jOYp6jg7B3mNU

[@edwardrichardson3878]

We ran the WRT August of 2020 and it was way better than what you experienced, but still scary. Our stock Grand Cherokee TH didn't have any problems, the driver was sweating it. Thanks for the video, good luck.

[@ACBC11]

Kudos for doing that with a trailer! 🤙🏼 We were on that trail the first weekend in October and it was a little better than what I saw in this video. One rig with a bigger trailer than yours turned around at the hogback climb as he didn’t feel comfortable. I wonder how much longer this trail will remain open. The erosion taking place is pretty intense!

[@aw_overland]

We were in the trail last June. Was amazing! But following Google maps we hit the trail in backwards! I had to stop a couple times because upcoming traffic! I spent the night at hardscrabble and then we when back, I had to drive away to Deathvalley. My trip started on FL. By the way, my rig is a 16 Ram 1500 2wd, 4'' lift on 33'' . I'm planning to visit the area again and spend at least one week. I had extra fuel with me, 4× 5 Gal. Jerry Can.

[@paulbaker2680]

Awesome 2 part series. Amazing trail. But, Katarina at 36:21 🤣🤣

[@TrailTraveler]

I was wondering if anyone would notice that

[@travisclemmer4152]

Thanks for the great videos. They really gave me a good idea of what to expect. I ran this a week ago in my JT in a single day. The decent down hardscrabble still had some ice and snow which made things interesting.

[@LostThymeOverlandAdventures]

Big nope nope nope. I’m glad to watch your video so I know not to go. Beautiful, but I’ll enjoy vicariously through you.

[@KapitanWalnut]

Paused at 28:58 to make my prediction: I think you made it, but barely. I've driven white rim 4 times, and each time I've had range anxiety, but didn't need to tap into our spare tank. We usually drive with our windows down with no A/C just to preserve fuel! I've seen Teslas down there on that trail, I can't imagine the range anxiety they must have.

[@garyacker7388]

Tesla! Are you kidding me. 😳. Of course there's a charging station down there 🙄

[@JeepCherokeeful]

It’s actually “range reality”

[@peterstubbs8587]

I am absolutely going to travel on that trail, at some point. That was epic!

[@dogface2022]

awesome adventure, thanks for the ride..

[@The800Dragon]

Man, what a great video. Thank you!

[@Djarvis2]

Did the same thing. Came out on fumes in the winter at night. Switchbacks were ice

[@katlindstrom8667]

this trail scared me and i only saw it on video..i was holding my breathe for you in a few sections. holy cow !! the scenery tho is outstanding your video should be be mandatory for anyone even considering driving on this trail kathryna ?sp. is so pretty, she sounds russian and such a good sport going over those trails

[@TrailTraveler]

Kateryna is Ukrainian actually.

[@GATORADDAM]

Fantastic video! I can't wait to do this trail in early Oct.

[@daltonsband]

i tow a smitty scout i wish you had a rear view of the trailer sometimes lol see how it looks and what not

[@pmurphy12667]

trails off road is a good site but they do miss calculate quite a few trail ratings from our experience. You are spot on with your review and for us with our expedition trailer this would definitely be up there on the scale for sure.

[@JKTrail]

I think you misspoke in saying you were climbing Murphy Hogback, that was actually Hardscrabble Hill, confirmed by the fact that you camped at Hardscrabble CG. Happy to report that as of April 20-21, 2022 the nasty washout area you descended before reaching camp has been repaired. We did an out and back, from the north end, on those dates; the Park Service was working that section with fresh gravel and heavy equipment including a full size road grader. SMOOTH. The wash was soft sand, giving some motorcycles trouble, but easy with 4WD.

[@TrailTraveler]

HardScrabble Hill is later in the video and I didn’t refer to it by name. When it is getting to be sunset, that’s when we did Hardscrabble

[@travelingman21000]

Part 2 was better than part 1, Hardscrabble shelf road (starting at 5:37) without a doubt the worst I've ever seen it as shown by your video. NP service did remove that boulder which was a concern of mine. Many gas powered vehicle have cut it close on this trail, but you made it . I'll be checking out your videos! this was a great video and I doubt our TC's could have gotten pass that boulder!

[@joshuaatkins5197]

Appreciate the review. Dont think I'll be taking the superburb anymore.

[@phillipconnolly5020]

Having rolled my 392 off roading and totaled it, I know what some of these off camber moments feel like it. I want to get back out, but still not read yet.

[@SnowManson]

Man that sucks, love the 392’s, glad you made it out ok. Where did this happen?

[@MonacoMike]

What an awesome adventure. I did the Shaffer Trail two years ago in my stock Ford F-150 Crew Cab 4x4 with stock tires. I've read reports about the White Rim trail and had contemplated trying to drive it in my stock truck but now am having seriously second thoughts about it. I think one of my biggest fears is meeting someone coming from the opposite direction. I would think they should make the trail one way on alternate days or something. I can't imagine what you would have had to do in many of those areas if you met on coming traffic, especially towing your trailer. GREAT VIDEO. After I started Part 1 I had to stay glued until the end and now it's 2 AM ! and it was totally worth it. I would have loved to see your camping setup.

[@TrailTraveler]

We just posted a video from a few months ago and the trail was in much better condition, but yes, there are a few spots where oncoming traffic would a major issue. Fortunately, we really never see to many people on the trail since only 25 vehicles a day are allowed.

[@MonacoMike]

@@TrailTraveler What is the title of that video, or link for it? I would like to view it. I'm still wondering if my 4x4 F-150 , with just A/T tires would be adequate. I about flipped with I saw that truck coming at you and they were towing a flat bed trailer. I can't imagine having to back up on one of those shear cliff side portions let alone trying to do it with a trailer attached! Isn't there an unwritten rule about which vehicle is supposed to back up when presented with that scenario ?

[@TrailTraveler]

@@MonacoMike Here it is - kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5jOYp6jg7B3mNU - The rule is that the vehicle going uphill has the right of way unless it is safer for the uphill person to get out of the way,

[@MonacoMike]

@@TrailTraveler OK, Thanks. I'll be sure to check that one out. I'm currently watching "White Rim Trail - The Adventure Ends". I think now I'm pretty much convinced NOT to try it in my F-150, even with my mirrors folded in :-) I think something like a Polaris UTV might be more to my liking although I don't know if one of them will carry enough gas to make that trip. BTW: You've got a new subscriber 🙂

[@HapNStance]

Great continuation of your part 1. What would you have done this far along if the road was impassable due to high water or washout?

[@TrailTraveler]

We would have had to turn around, knowing we would run out of gas. We had a Zoleo for satellite communication if we had to contact emergency services to bring us gas.

[@HapNStance]

@@TrailTraveler Glad that you are so well-prepared. I drove the Shafer Trail and Potash Trail about (I hate to say) 40 years ago in a Rambler with my wife. Yes, a Rambler. There were a couple of "obstacles" that were problems. One was going down the Shafer Trail switchbacks. Snow was melting across the road creating very slick mud. We had to slide around a couple of the turns...very scary and close to being a disaster. Once past that problem, there was no way we could go back up. Then on Potash Trail, there was one crossing of a gully. Lots of big loose rocks...not the best idea for a 2-wheel sedan. I had to get out and move a couple of the rocks so that we could get across. I must have been a little stronger then. Elephant Rock was another one we did, but in a Bronco II...still a big challenge. Anyway, I am enjoying your videos immensely. Keep 'em coming.

[@baloghlcb]

I was supposed to do White Rim back at the end of August. But of course the day I was supposed to start it and the night I was camping, storms were rolling through and there were flash flood warnings. My camp site was Potato Bottom, and after talking with the rangers they had told me it was my choice, but they highly recommended canceling. So as much as I didn't want to, I canceled. Much safer and I would rather do it when it's sunny than while it's raining all day. Some of those spots because of the washouts would have been pretty tight in my F250. I did end up going to Canyonlands and made a day of it in the rain, just didn't go on any trails that day. Oh well, just means I have to go back to Moab and try again haha.

[@MidwestAtvGroup]

Great video very educational, I'm planning to go with my family next year in summer and wondering how would Toyota Tundra CrewMax would handle these trails and also what was the month of the year you went there?

[@TrailTraveler]

You would do just fine. This video was on Labor Day and we have also done it in March and October. Just check weather and river conditions first.

[@ifster7273]

I did this about 20 years ago. An extra 5 gallons of gas went a long way towards the end. Also, I don't remember it nearly as rutted as it seems now. Then it really was an "easy" trail.

[@steveludwig4200]

Great trip!

[@russshull9652]

Big climb ahead

[@staceysmith2697]

No way that was a 6 or 7 trail rating , great video. I can’t believe how much the trailer & being in 4L eat you fuel up, trailer would have to go.

[@TrailTraveler]

If you watch our newer video on it, the road was in MUCH better condition.

[@DeanJohnson67]

Glad you made it... and having seen it all i'd still do it in the JT-R but you making it through with the camper in tow is not something i'd try having seen you do it. The good thing is you have a tough trip under your belt pulling the camper over long offroad distances needing 4L often in tough spots so your fuel estimates will be much better going forward. My JT gets 9mpg avg over 1100 miles pulling my 4k Winnebago Hike from Chicago to Leadville but gets 3 to 4 average from Denver to Leadville ..

[@StevenvonBriesen]

Awesome! Thanks!

[@donfarnquist439]

loved watching your video on this trail. i rode the white rim trail march 2022 on a yamaha tenere 700 adventure bike. interesting watching the differances of bike vs jeep. i did the entire trail in one day on 3 gal of gas. hard to believe jeep is that bad on fuel offroad. interesting that even though i only rode it once i remembered almost every spot watching you go thru it. i found myse;f answering you on which way to go (when you had to do 3 ptt turn...lol)

[@TrailTraveler]

6000 pound Jeep with Aires down tires pulling a 2000 trailer Offroad. Yeah, the gas mileage sucked!

[@donfarnquist439]

@@TrailTraveler if you ever geet to western montana you ned to run your rig thru magruder cooridor. 100 miles thru the mountains all offfroad. no sign of humanity anywere. lots of camping areas and beautiful scenery

[@TrailTraveler]

@@donfarnquist439 will do!

[@blueduster74]

Doing this with a trailer slowed you by half it seems. It’s been 15 years since I did this trail and it was nothing like this. We may do it next April, guess I’ll see what shape it’s in. I think my Ramcharger w/o a trailer will fit.

[@mikesskyranch]

I did the whole trail on my mountain bike last year… Took 14 hours

[@TrailTraveler]

Impressive! That's a helluva ride.

[@billwaterhouse5894]

Holy crap, that was sketchy...as you mentioned, wait for part 2. Anyways, I stopped where you said to, I say you'll just make it out but will need gas to get to Moab from trail end/head??? We shall 👀

[@llew777]

Gas is like firewood and beer....... if you think you have enough get more

[@pennmikael]

i was able to book the same campsite in a few weeks. last minute trip as well. how arduous is shafer to hardscrabble with no trailer?

[@TrailTraveler]

With no trailer it is pretty easy, especially when the trail is in good condition. During this trip, the conditions were the worst they have been in a number of years.

[@ifster7273]

Hi, how was this compared to the Rimrocker? I've been on the White Rim (no trailer) a couple times and will be doing the Rimrocker, with a 6x8 trailer. Thanks.

[@TrailTraveler]

Rimrocker is not much more than a gravel road. No obstacles to really speak of.

[@ifster7273]

@@TrailTraveler Thank you.

[@krashnpa]

This trail would have had/will have the better half putting claw marks in the oh-sh!t grab handles! One thing I noticed on our Gladiator is the fuel gauge and miles to empty are a little overzealous in the calculation. Not saying it's right or wrong, but at one point pulling our trailer we were at 1/8 of a tank and 35 miles to go. After we unhooked at camp, I went and got fuel and by the time I was at the station, I was at 70-ish miles and a quarter of a tank.

[@donaldfuller4625]

What was your mileage from gas stop to gas stop? Great couple of videos! Very informative.

[@TrailTraveler]

My average from gas station to gas station was around 6mpg

[@loucatozzi7656]

I wonder if you could have left the trailer at the Hardscrabble and driven out to get gas if that would have made enough of a difference in your fuel consumption on the second day.

[@TrailTraveler]

That very idea was under serious consideration. We decided to keep going and be very frugal with gas and we could have dropped it at several points along the way out.

[@craigc6090]

Great video! When you started, did you have a full tank? Just estimating some mileage as my Jeep usually gets 330 miles on a full tank, so I’m guessing I’ll be ok even though I’ll use more gas using 4 Low etc.

[@TrailTraveler]

We had a full tank plus a 3gl Rotopax.

[@williambanzhof9739]

EXCELLENT!

[@septembertwenty-nine9989]

WOW.

[@TwoXJS]

In your opinion, can this be done in a raised roof 4x4 van that is capable of 3/5 trails??

[@TrailTraveler]

When the trails are in "normal condition" it shouldn't be any problem. This particular video was right after monsoons had done a lot of damage to the trail and I would not have recommended a vehicle like that.

[@dennisr7452]

Great video. Maybe you should rename it to White Knuckle Trail. 👍

[@TrailTraveler]

I like it!

[@Escape.Idiocracy]

Titan fuel tanks- spare tire carrier mounted fuel cell. Best money spent when traveling into remote areas!

[@phillipmurrieta1]

Im curious about the Long Range America aux tanks.

[@FamilleJalbert]

When did you did the trail? October? Great video, I just discover you, Tumb Up and I subscribe. From a French Canadian Montreal.

[@TrailTraveler]

Labor Day 2021

[@lisoliveira]

I have no idea if you're going to make it out. I just paused the video to go take a high blood pressure pill 😳😂😂

[@lx5171]

do you think my stock F150 with 33' KO2 could make it? planning to return to Utah and do some back country campings

[@TrailTraveler]

Normally yes. Only after a big rain storm can things get pretty bad.

[@lx5171]

@@TrailTraveler thx for the quick reply, enjoy your trips!

[@dennisr7452]

We think you made it.

[@TheFremenChick]

I think you made it!

[@TheFremenChick]

I'm glad you made it!

[@ericb.4358]

You had to "rely on the kindness of strangers" for gas! (my bet)

[@darrenboone681]

Can't wait to get there

[@capt.stubing5604]

The Whiterim is great. But the distance between campgrounds and the lack of ability to reserve them came make doing the trail less than ideal. You’re lucky to get campsites with reasonable distances between them. By the way guys, there is gas right when you get back on 191.

[@TrailTraveler]

You reserve the campsites via recreation.gov. They go very quickly. They come out every few months on the 8th of the month at 7am PT.

[@stepfour]

What do you air tires down to?

[@TrailTraveler]

The short answer is "it depends". For normal off-roading, we will generally go down to 13-14. For worse conditions like snow, very rough surfaces, or rock crawling, we will go down to 9-10. Doing something like White Rim or The Maze District (we have just posted those videos) we only went down to around 18 in order to not totally kill our gas mileage.

[@stepfour]

@TrailTraveler awesome, thank you. Great video! I'm hoping to get out there and explore.. I'll keep watching your adventures!

[@bengashi6208]

You made it

[@andreabush4553]

How long would you say White Rim takes to go all the way through?

[@TrailTraveler]

It’s about 90 miles and you will average about 10-15 mph. Add in stops to see the sights along the way and it’s about 12 hours

[@colinrogers5419]

Do you think this trail would be fine and a F-150 with a small truck camper?

[@TrailTraveler]

Should be totally fine

[@mikegregory2990]

Do you think my stock GX460 would be able to make the White Rim Trail? I'm thinking June 2022.

[@TrailTraveler]

It really depends on the trail conditions, but generally speaking, yes.

[@davidterrie7661]

So, stock Sahara Unlimited. Stock tires. Anti spin rear Dana 44 HD axle. 6 speed manual. Novice Jeep driver. Once trail damage repaired is this doable?

[@TrailTraveler]

Steeet tires, big nope. Decent all terrain tires, yes. We were there recently and it was in MUCh better condition.

[@davidterrie7661]

@@TrailTraveler Dueler A/T

[@TrailTraveler]

@@davidterrie7661 should be just fine

[@jeepinwithjulia]

White knuckles is more like it.

[@anthonyrenaud5783]

Great Video. What part of Colorado are you from?

[@TrailTraveler]

We are a bit south of Fort Collins

[@natesutton7423]

Is the camp sites first come first serve? Or is a reservation required?🍻

[@TrailTraveler]

Reservations are required, get them through recreation.gov

[@johnpeschke7723]

challenging? Dangerous i think!

[@richardplunk3910]

you make it