Train Driver VLOG 006 - Trains Never Speed - Dad Rail (HD)

[@szymongorczynski7621]

A passenger who monitors the speed of trains and reports them... What an interesting fellow.

[@hmjmh7]

Grassing someone without proof

[@Artomotive]

Polska?

[@jameswingrove7421]

The sort of person you’d avoid at parties.

[@SlothyGal]

They would've known anyway lol

[@montyburnsgaming3609]

I’m surprised you can even get apps that monitor the speed of trains. Even so, 103 mph in a 100 is hardly a big deal.

[@paulm2467]

As a train driver it becomes second nature to drive at line speed, so much so that I’m the same when I’m driving my car, I automatically drive at dead on the speed limit (sorry if it annoys a following driver, it’s virtually impossible to break the habit). The white diamond means that you don’t have to contact the signaller if stopped at this signal, he knows that you are there from his track circuits or another detection method.

[@PTGRail]

Hey Richard. Thanks for this video, it was quite interesting. As someone who makes training/route learning videos for Train Simulator, I’m always looking to drive as realistically as possible. So it’s always great to hear from real train drivers. Keep up the good work! :)

[@matthewthecoffeeguy]

Didn't expect to see you here :P Love your videos :)

[@PTGRail]

Matt // mattdoesthings_ haha, thanks man! :)

[@matthewthecoffeeguy]

Sneaky reply you deleted I see... :P "I’ve watched a couple of your vids now and quite enjoyed them"

[@PTGRail]

Matt // mattdoesthings_ I mistook you for Dad Rail here lol :p So rather than embarrass myself I tried to delete my reply quickly ;)

[@matthewthecoffeeguy]

That explains why I thought people watched my videos. Maybe one day ;-; :P

[@superlynx98]

Who the hell complains about a train being too fast??

[@danwoodhouse9290]

Must be some ponce whos got an app on thier phone that no one else has got thats measures speed

[@ben.taylor]

If a train's doing 70 in a 45 limit, let's say around a corner, that'd cause a fairly big jolt to the passengers

[@grahammace5060]

Probably Karen.

[@1mach28914u1]

@@ben.taylor more than a jolt. Most likely derail.

[@ben.taylor]

@@1mach28914u1 That was an expression.

[@itchyvet]

As a retired Train Driver over 30 years, cutting my teeth on slow goods, then fast freight, going to passenger, then suburban passenger, I can categoricly state, ALL train drivers employed during my period, all exceeded the laid down speed limit at one time or another. The Holy Grail during my service was BEING ON TIME. So how could any driver catch up time spent shunting, or passengers dawdling before getting on train? We also had major issues with East-West trains as well. Trains leaving Sydney were expected to maintain time tables, allowing proper sharing of perway and crossings. However, in reality, times were lost for various reasons. Drivers were ENCOURAGED, (and rewarded with monthly bonus's) if they managed to make up time and brought their train back into the time table as laid down. YES ! Locos today have speed recorders, but with PRIVATISATION companies rarely take out the log, after all, if things went O.K. why stir the pot ? Given all the above, there was an incident wherein such a train had made up more than 3/4's of an hour and the driver was very reluctant to slow down when approaching CAUTION signal, advising him the next would be STOP, at the crossing loop ahead. The driver believed the train he was crossing would be clear in the loop when he got there, thus he did not reduce his speed. Coming around the bend, he saw a STOP signal facing him, meaning the opposing train was till hanging out on the main at the rear. He applied a minimum reduction to his 100 wagon length, which turned out to be insufficient to slow his train in time. He passed the signal at STOP, and collided with the last four wagons still on the main. These wagons contained petroleum and diesel. His two locos derailed, fell on their sides and ruptured the tankers. TWO innocent people died as a direct result of his actions. His Co Driver and a 14 year old boy who was promised the trip as a birthday present. Two locos were written off after burning for two days. Inquiry found excessive speeding and inappropiate operation of train was the cause of the fatality. So, NO ! don't tell me train drivers don't speed. Another time a passenger rail car was running late, the driver decided to make up time by SPEEDING. Unfortunately, the public saw what was happening and reported it, as did passengers who were being thrown from left to right as the prepared to disembark on arrival. The Driver was asked to explain, his responsewas, "was my train on time on arrival or was it late ? He received no punishment whatever, he was three weeks short of retiring. So NO, don't tell me Drivers don't speed. They most certainly do when it's appropiate.

[@DadRail]

I'm surprised that punctuality is put before safety. Here in the UK the train data recorders are constantly scrutinised, and speeding is a big no no, You could loose your job over it.

[@AnubhabKundu]

@@DadRail thats one reason why we dont care about schedules much. Safety is of paramount importance and everything has to be done safely and it does cost time for doing certain tasks the right or the safe way.

[@3040-f9g]

I had a punter going nuts saying there was something wrong with the brakes. He didn't know about W.S.P.

[@tssssL3R]

I have just subscribed to your channel because I have just found my love for trains,thanks Richard and thankyou making these brilliant videos.X

[@alanrobertson9790]

Although model railways are interesting I'm glad you are talking about train driving as that is a much rarer subject.

[@franktuckwell196]

When i was driving networkers had only just come about and i learnt on 51 s, 57 s,63 s and 455/6 and the whole depot had to learn 465/6 s and we just set the speedset to top allowed speed.

[@thedumgamer2046]

South Croydon station, You can see east croydon station but the trains seem to accelerate so hard that they blow you away from the platform, Dad rail, I have a challenge, Go to a station like south croydon or a station with many trains an hour and try to get as many honks from the trains as you can in 1 hour :)

[@callum646]

Brilliant video as always! Was at Celcon near Sevenoaks today watching the trains go past the factory as I was waiting for my lorry to be loaded, wonder if one of them was you!

[@DadRail]

Not me Ive been having a day off. But i do sign the road through bat and ball so could be me in the future

[@MatthewTaylor16]

Celcon is on the section of track between Otford and Borough Green if I remember rightly?

[@DadRail]

Fair enough thats on the maidstone line i don't sign that. I do the bit from Sevenoaks > Bat & Ball > Otford but not the Maidstone to Ashford section

[@MatthewTaylor16]

Ah yes of course, I assume you have to know the Bat & Ball - Chislehurst stretch for when the Knockholt line is closed?

[@DadRail]

Thats right, We sign as far as St Mary Cray Junction where we rejoin the mainline at Chiselhurst. Not a route we take often. Infact i need to book a refresher around there, which is great because i will get a cab ride in a 700!

[@richardleney9932]

Hi, I though it was something to do with telephones. Since it is blank, I guess that there isn't a phone provided. Those with marking or letters, need some kind of action or warning when using the phone.

[@kristinajendesen7111]

It's funny how your brain gets used to knowing what speed the train is doing. I called my guard one day and asked what the speedo was doing in the back cab because it didn't feel right. He said 95 (line speed at that time 90). Mine was showing 90 so I had registered the difference even though it was only 5mph. Carried on though because I was driving to what was shown on my speedo and reported it later. It's also funny how some of our 159s are faster in one direction than the other (depot don't believe us).

[@grenfellroad8394]

Kris Jenders we have similar on GWR with the 165/166s, different speeds attainable at each end.

[@brianburns7211]

Here in North America we are required to time ourselves through a measured mile. Too large of a discrepancy is a mechanical defect, and the speedometer needs to be recalibrated. More to the point, speeding can not just get a driver sacked. There’s also liability. See what happens if you are speeding, and a car or pedestrian gets hit at a level crossing. With the trend towards lawsuits, this could put your home and all other assets in jeopardy.

[@bb-3653]

It's true, once I noticed a 321 going 3mph over the speed limit. It was 90 but was going 93 when I looked ar my speedometer. Sometimes I listen to the pitch of the motor on a 465 to gauge how fast it may be going, sometime drivers usually go one mile per over the speed limit if the late, but the rails and the train is likely able to handle 10 to 20mph over the limit before a disaster happens

[@inversnecky4155]

@@bb-3653 I think car speedos are deliberately calibrated to show a few mph above what you are actually doing, so the train wasn't necessarily speeding

[@bb-3653]

@@inversnecky4155 idk because typically, when they do speed, you can feel the driver braking to reduce it and then it shows the speed going down. And also I've gotten used to the motor sounds at specific speeds, so i can notice when the speed limit is potentially being breached for even a couple seconds . Sure though sometimes speedos can operate on averages rather than the actual speeds, esspecially when there is bad signal. But usually drivers don't actually speed so your right. Sometimes the speedo goes up for a second then balanced out to the actual speed. So I understand that. I've used a bunch of speedo app overtime anyway. Otherwise what's the point of having car speeds if they will ALWAYS be wrong. You feel me

[@barryrayner]

Is it something to do with rule 55? A white diamond sign on a signal post means that the driver is not required to contact the signaller because a telephone is not provided, but the presence of the train or shunting movement is indicated to the signaller by detection. ( I cheated - I used Wiki). I just love trains and have both the main train sims (Auran & the Steam). Love messing about making routes and driving a steam engine pulling up to 2000 tons of coal - plenty of wheelslip and at 70 mph takes about a mile and a half to stop! Love the videos and I did drive a real deltic on a heritage railway as a present from my wife.

[@franktuckwell196]

I got my drivers key in 1993, but left network south eastern in 2005, so all routes that i drove on have changed. Thought that the vlog about london bridge would actually show what chan0ges have been made to platforms and routes. Are any of the route learning videos still available?

[@geoffhurrell8478]

I once momentarily clocked a FGW HST at 129.3 mph near Slough (using a Satmap 20 gps) ...... then came the running brake test!

[@DadRail]

Ahh that old chestnut!

[@paulm2467]

The chances are that your app was wrong, gps isn’t that accurate for speed checking, especially over shorter distances.

[@tgm9991]

There was a story in the news not so long back of a TPE 802 doing 140mph on the ECML apparently he reported himself.

[@tgm9991]

@@deadaccount2048 he'll be in much more bother if he didn't and his bosses learned about it about it from someone else or if they pull the data off the recorder which from what I've been told they can pull at random to check up on drivers.

[@AyrshireAirsports]

Hi Richard. Late to the party, but a great channel. I've applied recently to ScotRail for a trainee driver position. I'm a retired airline pilot, and found the discussion on speed interesting. Particularly that the speed is a limit, and you can drive within that limit depending on energy management etc. My thought was how does this impact on flow along the section of track and delays, is there a minimum speed you must drive? As an airline pilot, air traffic control would assign us speeds to fly for separation, if we flew "free speed" it could create or reduce gaps. I appreciate the railway is a block release system, but if you're driving a 70 section at 50, does this slow trains behind you? Cheers. Martin

[@brianburns7211]

Are you required to check the accuracy of the speedometer? Here we have certain mile posts which are test miles. They have been verified to be exactly 5280’ apart. We have other places where mile posts are not exactly a mile long, due to line changes over the years.

[@AnubhabKundu]

Analog speedometers can have upto 5 kmph (or roughly 3 mph) error.

[@AnubhabKundu]

Thats why we have 5 kmph tolerance in place.

[@MatthewTaylor16]

Whenever I'm on a Charing Cross service that started at Hastings I always wonder if you're driving :D Great videos btw

[@DadRail]

Thank you, If you see me out and about come and say hello.

[@AnubhabKundu]

For Indian Railways the rule is that LPs cannot go 5 kmph beyond the max allowed sectional speed limit. Like if my speed limit is 120 kmph you can do 120-125 kmph and not beyond 125 kmph. If you DO overspeed beyond this, the pilot is suspended and a lot of enquiries are there.

[@DadRail]

I love hearing how other railways operate

[@AnubhabKundu]

@@DadRail thanks for your reply. Please check my channel out on trains. You may subscribe if you find the content entertaining or enjoyable.

[@TravelJackJourneys158]

Thank you for shouting for you my channel I will put a shout when I film my next Travel Jack Journeys

[@DadRail]

you are very welcome. no worries :-)

[@stuartmenzies8358]

Quick question. Did anyone question the passengers app or smart phone and more specifically if it was calibrated? ps keep your videos coming, they fantastic!

[@csxrensville5105]

Good video, you learn somthing new everyday. I think the symbol is something to do with denoting the start or end of a block section. But don't quote me on that! 😁 Keith

[@DadRail]

Thank you, you are thinking along the right lines there it does have something to do with signalling

[@csxrensville5105]

Dad Rail Hi, ok so along right lines eh. Well maybe it denotes something to do with track detection of a train in a section? So the driver does'nt have to do something? But what I have no idea! 😊 Keith

[@louisstokes1930]

Love the video's, want to become a train driver as soon as im old enough! (For now ill have to stick to signalling)

[@DadRail]

Thank you, Train driving is a great job, but signalling must be really interesting as well

[@louisstokes1930]

Dad Rail it has it good sides, aiming to be a MOM as my next step then after a couple of years would love to be a train driver, keep up the videos & hard work by the way.

[@DadRail]

I think being a MOM would be great. Lots of job variety.

[@itchyvet]

@@louisstokes1930 Driving trains makes you anti social, as the shift work involved can get you down. It's also not good for your health either, as eating meals at inappropiate times does your body no favors.

[@szymongorczynski7621]

@@itchyvet Same goes for signalling jobs

[@grzegorzbrzeczyszczykiewic7482]

Diamond sign: No signal post telephone provided at this signal but the presence of the train is indicated for the signaller. Also can you please explain the various level crossing signs on the lineside?

[@DadRail]

Correct ! I'm going to do a level crossing video soon, with all the different types of crossings and the line side signage.

[@grzegorzbrzeczyszczykiewic7482]

That's great! Hopefully you'll introduce your viewers to the Rule Book and Sectional Appendix, just like avgeeks often learn about the technical side of things themselves before watching pilots' videos.

[@JheoFaul66709]

The white diamond indicated that the driver should not use the line side signal post telephone as there is insufficient space to do so safely. Great video again :)

[@DadRail]

Thank you. Im afraid you are wrong about the sign. The sign you are referring too is a white diamond with a black cross through it.

[@JheoFaul66709]

Dad Rail ah well worth a try, atleaest I've leant something, cheers

[@nothisispatrick5725]

There is a thing on high speed trains called atp

[@PottersVideos2]

Unfortunately it's not used except on HS1, the GWR and the Channel Tunnel.

[@codysayle]

@@PottersVideos2 Most certainly isn't used on HS1 nor the Channel Tunnel, only GWR and Chiltern lines

[@marcuspotter5590]

@@codysayle I didn't know it was used on Chiltern, but it is definetely used on HS1.

[@codysayle]

@@marcuspotter5590 Not it is not used on HS1, the TVM430 signalling system is used on HS1

[@noneofyourbusiness1199]

I wonder if anyone can help me understand. I know that when the speed limit is increasing, the train can begin accelerating once the rear of the train has passed the sign. However, when the limit is decreasing, the train must be at the signposted speed by the time the front of the train reaches the sign. But how does the driver know in advance about the change in speed so that he can slow down? Is there a pre-warning? Or does the driver need to be able to memorize the route and all its changes? Thanks.

[@tgm9991]

Some speed limit changes have advanced warnings there is some guidance as to when they should be provided but I'm not sure what it is. They get called "morpeth" board after a curve on the ECML that was prone to derailments due to overspeeds and then got them fitted but for the most part drivers are expected to know the route like the back of their hand including all the speed limits, level crossings, signals, routes you can go from the signals and stations and they aren't allowed to drive alone unless they do.

[@AnubhabKundu]

Oh yeah. Drivers are warned of approaching speed limits.

[@russiandrivers9986]

Here's an idea: why don't they put speed humps on the rails?

[@trainmastergeneral]

You say drivers never speed...you’ve obviously never experienced a Leeds driver! Same drivers every time will take the unit (on the line I work on at least) way beyond the 60mph speed limit to anything up to 75/80mph!! Then they coast it down to around 45mph before accelerating again, just so we don’t arrive early at stations. May sound ridiculous and unbelievable I know but when you spend so long trundling along at 60, you know what it feels like and what the engine pitch should sound like which makes it rather easy to tell if going above 65.

[@DadRail]

Wow, Do they not get pulled up on it by Driver managers when they download the unit?

[@trainmastergeneral]

You’d think so wouldn’t you! But I suppose if they aren’t arriving early at places all the time then there’s no cause for suspicion and hence they don’t get caught

[@DadRail]

It would flag up on random downloads, unless of course they are being tipped off :-)

[@kristinajendesen7111]

Here's a question for you. What does two vertical lines on a blue plate indicate? Often seen in the London area. I've got many people with this one including trainers up the school.

[@DadRail]

Ooh thats a good one. Im not sure. At a guess i would say that it is GSMR related? or something to do with OLE Gap? Do tell lol

[@kristinajendesen7111]

Dad Rail - Platform 11 😂

[@DadRail]

hahahahah got me good. I think I'm going to drop that one into a future video if thats ok :-)

[@kristinajendesen7111]

Dad Rail - of course. No problem. Don't forget to ask it at work too especially with the newbies fresh from rules 😁

[@harrischalk]

Watching this on Christmas eve for some reason

[@DadRail]

Replying on Christmas eve whilst peeling the sprouts :-)

[@harrischalk]

@@DadRail aha I agree :)

[@nothisispatrick5725]

That sign does it mean its a wong way running signal

[@bulwinkle]

I reckon pass both sides. :)

[@adam.m6735]

When you were saying about delays and speeding, My train from Windsor was half hour late (Fuck you SWR) and it changed into a FAST train only calling at Wimbledon and Clapham Junction (I was not affected by the fast service because I got off at Twickenham.

[@TheAudiostud]

I was watching one of Geoff Marshall Videos Watford to Harrow-on-the-hill and I noticed a single white aspect signal, would you know what that signal means buddy ? I've liked & subscribed

[@akarouge]

It might be a repeater. It is usually on curves where the next signal might not be visible. It shows if the next signal is green or not.

[@richardleney9932]

In Wisbech, there was one to denote the road crossing status. The crossing didn't have any barriers. I think the white light flashes when it safe to proceed. This crossing is long gone now but there are talks to bring back the line😀

[@73APhotography]

That’s the Underground’s version of amber...

[@PhilSmith71]

The single white light is a fog repeater. If the signal ahead of it is showing a proceed aspect (green, double yellow or yellow), then the white fog signal is illuminated. If the signal ahead of it is displaying a danger aspect (red) then the amber fog signal will be illuminated. Even though they are fog signals, they tend to be illuminated all the time.

[@joshuahalla.k.a.controlla6333]

Judging by what he said, it sounds like he drives a class 375 with southeastern Railway. Am I right? ☺

[@buksi6342]

Yep, out of Hastings.

[@bb-3653]

On the SE mainline I assume

[@JintySteam1]

so if you are going down hill, and you are at 70, the train slips over to 71 but you brake so correct it, do you still get in trouble?

[@DadRail]

Generaly speaking you would accelerate to say 67 - 68 and keep slowing down to theses speeds when you hit 70. As a rule 1 or 2 mph over the limit isn't going to get you into trouble, so long as you correct it promptly.

[@nstrainmaster2]

Certainly not like the old days! I'm an American living in Chicago, but British railways have been a interest of mine for many years! If I had a dime for every old British Rail driver I heard bragging of excessive speeds!

[@nstrainmaster2]

In America we can get away with 4-5 over!

[@tp175]

That sign looks like a costing board.

[@patrickspeaight9154]

Thank you, for highlight ' how speeding is subjective sense. Forgive for mentioning it, not everything you say is very important, have you tried ti gentle your voice down, then raise to highlight a remarkable point. Allowing us to your life is really good, and dispelling your traveller's ignorance is very welcomed. Thank you, Patrick, Northamptonshire

[@szabados1980]

Did your boss really call you to the carpet edge based on hearsay? Why hadn't he checked the recording beforehand? In a case like that I would suppose there was another reason why he wanted to see me.

[@FM60260]

The passenger complained publicly about their driver speeding but they were the one illegally monitoring the speed.

[@henryyuill1382]

Do you get to choose which depot you're based at within the TOC ? And what trains are you licensed to drive?

[@jimd8a635]

Signal on track circuit block system I think

[@ZLDSmogless]

Would you recommend a career in locomotive engineering or train driving

[@TheMiz_0]

Both if possible

[@itchyvet]

Loco engineeing would be good, every night in your own bed, and no debilitating shift work or meal times at ungodly hours.

[@TheMiz_0]

@@itchyvet who told you that. ? I am loco engineer and I can tell you miles of walking on track when loco breakdown. Inspection testing under the loco. Shift work out in all elements of weather. Cold snow. Middle of nowhere. Unless you are in workshop production or rebuilding post it still require shift work

[@akarouge]

Good drivers:Oh the speed limit is 90mph let's keep that Me: FULL SPEEEEEEEED

[@bb-3653]

I love when drivers go fast and stop hard in stations make me feel like the trains being used to the best of its ability !!! I just love fast rides lol, fast 465, fast 377 and 375s ..wish the 465s went 100mph too but oh well.

[@AnubhabKundu]

Those old Networker family trains have old equipment.

[@bb-3653]

@@AnubhabKundu their still pretty functional tbh..

[@TheArkamedBat]

Same.

[@bb-3653]

@@TheArkamedBat if you ever go on a class 377/6 at night time when there's less rail traffic , some drivers will do that, or during day time rush hours these are among the quickest electrostars on third rail , the 5 car ones.

[@montyburnsgaming3609]

Not me, I much prefer a smoother ride, strictly speaking drivers should not go above step 2 and go down to step 1 before stopping.

[@XPlaneAviation]

103 in a 100? Seems like the type of person who would sue a company if his armrest was broken

[@AnubhabKundu]

3 mph is 4.8 kmph. In india the over speed tolerance is 5 kmph over the set sectional speed limit.

[@russiandrivers9986]

That symbol means Tekashi69 is getting on board at the next station

[@thedumgamer2046]

I suppose thats why Southern Rail always seems to be braking soooo hard at east croydon, and why they do this wierd ACCELERATE TO THE SPEED LIMIT then brake straight away. Its quite annoying because your leaning back because of physics, then you suddenly lurch forward... Ouch...

[@TheArkamedBat]

You can hold on the bars.

[@PottersVideos2]

Personally I think coasting is a bad idea, I would just accelerate the train and keep it there applying the brake when needed Edit: Actually I don't know what I'm talking about, please disregard the above comment.

[@DadRail]

If I'm running late then that tends to be the best driving technique, but during normal operation we are encouraged to drive in an eco friendly way and the timetable generally allows for this.

[@PottersVideos2]

Agreed

[@routemaster3877]

Great vid

[@DadRail]

Thank you :-)

[@TG9910]

They reported it for 103? Jeez

[@DadRail]

They did, and I would have been told of for it if it had been proven.

[@TG9910]

Dad Rail that seems a bit silly to me, for one had you really been going 103 it would've been within any reasonable margin of error, that's just my take. I would've been annoyed if I was in your shoes haha. Keep up the good work anyways

[@DadRail]

Yeah it does seem a bit stupid, but they are pretty tough on speed. I know someone who triggered a TPWS overspeed sensor for being 0.01 MPH over and they still got done for it.

[@FabianEason]

I can't believe people actually think the gps tracking on their phone is that accurate. If they tracked the train on a strava or something, and then looked at the map of the journey, they'd see it darted left and right of the track as the gps tracking lost track. They'd also see they'd burned 5 million calories jogging at 103mph, go eat a well deserved cake, and stop bothering the railway staff.

[@everythinggaming7938]

😂 what idiot would think a phone records speed the same as a train does 😂 😂 Probably the same type of idiot that would actually try and catch a driver out for speeding and go to the bother of reporting them for going 3 over 😅

[@DadRail]

Takes all sorts! Some people just love to drop others in it!

[@AnthonyFurnival]

Wow, I can’t believe someone would complain about what they believed was a 3mph infringement - I mean, if they thought you were substantially over then fair enough but 3mph is petty! I hope someone from Southeastern wrote back to tell him he was wrong and worded it in a way that made it clear how sad he was 😂

[@DadRail]

I did ask the company to reply to the tweet stating that it had been investigated and they were wrong but they never did. - I was tempted to reply myself but it could have put me in hot water for social media policy ect.

[@AnthonyFurnival]

@@DadRail it’s really frustrating that they didn’t reply to cite that it hadn’t been investigated as it infers that the passenger was right! I know there’s a desire not to upset the passengers but I am a big believer in standing by staff and ensuring that they’re protected from false allegations etc - after all it’s the drivers, guards, platform staff etc who keep the network running