Train Simulator 2017 - Route Learning: Sheffield to Manchester via Woodhead (Class 77/EM2) // 60fps

[@gwyneddboom2579]

A few tips to make this more realistic: The headcode for an express passenger train (up to 1977, after that all trains) was the two lights at the bottom left and bottom right. An ordinary passenger train was only the top light, a light engine was only the middle light, and all lights was a Royal train. Only use both pantographs when accelerating from a standstill, once you're up to speed you should lower the front pantograph unless there us something flammable in the first wagon behind the loco, in which case you can run with only the front pantograph but the speed should be limited to 100 km/h or 60 mph. Keeping both up doesn't help due to the wave motion caused by the first pantograph, and I think it might cause arcing. By the way, preventing arcing is the purpose of accelerating with both pantographs. It's best to accelerate as quickly as possible while drawing a maximum of 1500 amperes, to prevent overheating resistors. If you draw over 1500 amperes the line voltage can drop by up to 1/3 of what it normally is. Many trains used to have labels like shunt, series, and parallel, with drivers really trying to limit the use of those resistors. And also a small edit: Have you got any Dutch routes?

[@None-zc5vg]

Was "wave motion" one of the main reasons why the 1960-ish rebuilds of the 1949 "Shenfield" e.m.u's placed the pantograph in the centre coach of each three-car unit instead of leaving them at the cab-ends ?

[@gwyneddboom2579]

@@None-zc5vg I don’t know! There are plenty of MUs that have their pantographs on the can ends.

[@mickd6942]

On the real 77 and 76's if both pantos were down and if there was not enough air in the resovoir to raise the pantos then they would use a brass pump A bit like a stirup pump to manualy raise the pantos, seems to be a lot of steam workings between peniston and wood head but steam was banned in the new woodhead tunnel as there were no vent shafts excellent video , as some one who lived by the side of the line on the wath branch From about 1973 until after closure the woodhead route was part of my childhood and i have walked from penistone to hadfield and penistone to thurgoland tunnel and cycled on the wath sikstone section almost daylyi even had a load of 76 cab fititngs including vac gages speedos and the line amp and motor amp guages the toothed semi circle on the throtles and even one of the afore mentioned brass pumps, no idea what happened to them think my dad threw them out while i was working away, a sad end for britains first all electric mainline lasting barely 30 years

[@MagicM03]

As a 'Sheffielder' you murdered some of the place names but still a great video!

[@declangaming24]

He did exactly I'm from Sheffield and its depcar not deepcar

[@rodericstanley2258]

@@declangaming24 I grew up in Oughtibridge and often wondered why the station was Oughty Bridge

[@nicktheengineer5976]

Incredible detail in this simulation. Great work!

[@kenstevens5065]

Travelled this route a few times in the late 50's, always exciting not just the fact it was electrified resulting in good acceleration but the scenery, particularly the Manchester side with the reservoirs. I think the tunnel was lit the entire length on the sidewall and it took three minutes to pass through which equates to a speed of 60 mph. The coaching stock was usually pre BR mk 1, not particularly clean and never crowded.

[@petecolton8206]

Enjoyed the commentary and the video. In the 1950s the train would have been vacuum braked and you are also right that Morpeth boards weren't introduced until after the Morpeth crash so it was down to driver's route knowledge. Thanks for taking the trouble to do the video.

[@flyingporker100]

Excellent video. Thank you for sharing it. As to your point about warning posts for speed limits, I don't think they had them in those days. The route knowledge of the driver was paramount. Drivers were expected to know exactly where each signal and speed limit was and prided themselves in knowing at which point to start slowing down. It was a protracted process as they had to rely on the pitiful vacuum brake. I have done the Woodhead Route in Open Rails, and my experience with vacuum brakes was to go through the catch points at Tosside, having started to brake at Crowden. Whoops. Now they do have warning boards, but in Open Rails, I have braked hard, but the distance between the warning and the start of the speed limit was rather short...

[@ChangesOneTim]

Warning boards for permissible (permanent) speed restrictions weren't around on BR in those days, except approaching a few severely-restricted high-risk curves, junctions and stations. These were usually oil-lit stencil type signs. It was only during the 1970s that so-called 'Morpeth boards' started to appear. These were provided only where linespeed is 60mph or more with a reduction in speed of one-third or more, and had an AWS magnet that sounded the horn warning to the driver.

[@grumpyoldman47]

Just after Gorton station is passed. Gorton Works - where your EM2/77 loco was built - is passed on the right hand side, and then there's Gorton shed with its coaling plant. l think the large buildings then passed on the left are Beyer Peacock's; at the time of your film, they were still building steam locos, but they later built some 17s, 25s, and all of the class 35s It brought back happy memories; I can't remember when I first travelled the route (but it was in the 1950s), and I travelled it a lot over winter 1966/7

[@None-zc5vg]

One of our back-to-back neighbours (in a district that's since been erased from the map) was crushed to death at Peacocks loco works in 1958, when a metal panel fell on him. The job had damaged his hearing and he couldn't hear a warning shout. The Peacocks works closed in 1966 and the main building, dating from 1920, remained to be used for other purposes.

[@rodericstanley2258]

Just watched this. I grew up in Oughtibridge and went to Penistone Grammar from 52-59 on the train. Originally we had a C13 with 3 carriages, then these 1500 V DC electrics. Eventually Beeching shut the passenger service down in 1959 so we had to go to Deepcar on Sheffield bus, then a Yorkshire Traction which picked us students up in Stocksbridge, Langsett, etc,. He kept the freight part open much longer because of the coal, and Samuel Fox's steel works in Stocksbridge. I worked on their no. 2 arc furnace one summer when I was at university in Manchester. Back then, we would watch ManU one saturday and Sheffield Wednesday the next. he Owls were a good team back then.

[@rodericstanley2258]

I recall watching steam trains pulling through Wharncliffe wood from our house in Oughtibridge with my binoculars. All us boys were train-spotters, and had the Ian Allen books. There was a train every 20 minutes going through OB, so on wet summer days we did a lot of trainspotting. I could never understand why they shut this line down.

[@grahampearson5283]

The Woodhouse line was closed to passengers in 1969 but remained open for freight until 1981. The Class 77 were put on the transfer list only six actually made the journey to the National Railways of Holland (NS), the seventh being dismantled for spares. In 1986 the entire fleet was retired from the Dutch railways and two returned to Britain for preservation.

[@EpicThe112]

You are correct and furthermore and if you were to stand at the Border Stations where Dutch 1.5kv DC meets the West German 15kv 16.7hz AC OHLE at these stations Venlo Nederlands Arnhem Zevenaar Nederlands West Germany Emmerich am Rhein & Mönchengladbach. Lastly Bad Bentheim on the Hauptstrecke Hamburg Bremen Osnabrück Amersfoort Hengelo Amsterdam Centraal route one can see Class 77 meet with it's German equivalents the DB Baureihe 110.3 & 103. Goods trains 139 140 & 150 locomotives.

[@stuartwildridge5822]

All the diamond crossings and points layouts, some were made in Edgar Allen trackwork department on Shepcote Lane Sheffield.

[@felixthecleaner8843]

great explanations - loved it - thanks for this awesome vid!

[@PTGRail]

Thanks for your comment! :)

[@lachlanwoodsmith6064]

The head code for an express train is bottom left and bottom right and local trains have just the upper marker light on

[@amansgrangard6208]

Fun fact, one of the class 77 have be sold on in dutch railway or ns in the years of 1969 in renumber it to 1500 séries .

[@davelarge5095]

Brill trip, only thing missing was the noisy air compressor kicking in and out regularly.

[@rockystrains8891]

Hi PTGRail! Your videos are so amazing and I instantly click on the notifaction when you upload and I'm starting a route learning series for people who are new to British routes which you inspired me to do! Please keep it up mate!

[@JohnPW22]

Fantastic reconstruction of a peice of history!

[@blokeyos4733]

Love 1950's british stock hyped to see more (the correct headlamps should be the bottom left and right for an express passenger)

[@nikkob1252]

I like how you pointed out that in the 1950s engines only had one end, that's still the case in America, although you can look out the back in most, but it's very apparent that there's a front and back, when I first saw trains in Europe I thought two ends was a brilliant idea, and wonder why my country hasn't adopted it

[@adammoorby99]

Why is the current sheffield station never in Train Sim 😒 there could be so many more routes like Sheffield - Doncaster/Barnsley/Leeds etc. Manchester - Cleethorpes via Sheffield 😁 You know where I’m going with this

[@declangaming24]

There is midland mainline

[@barryholt9564]

I'm sorry, I'm not really a train guy guy, more like one of these people who don't really understand the shipping forecast but listen anyway because they enjoy the incidental poetry of it. Nonetheless I have a feeling your teacher would make a good racing commentator.

[@stuartwildridge5822]

As an old guard on that route I had to do route learning ,you haven't mentioned Black Dog crossing.

[@duanemitchell1275]

love to see the cleethorpes to manchester or manchester to cleethorpes. cleethorpes,grimsby town,scunthorpe,doncaster,meadowhall,sheffield,stockport,manchester piccadilly,manchester airport. and visa versa. another brill vid

[@am-vm8ew]

That route doesn't exist in train simulator yet.

[@samuelking4299]

Ptg rail could you do a route learning video on the Weardale and teesdale network in the Armstrong powerhouse class 40?

[@brianstevens7164]

Excellent informational video. Great stuff. Many thanks.

[@13021J]

Great video, my favourite route, would love to see you have a crack at the Wath scenario with the crazy 1 in 40 elevations, weight transfer and all the tricks.

[@nigelkthomas9501]

Never seen so many passengers at Ardwick before!

[@Hannah_taylor1237]

the cab gauges where modeled from the em2 in the Netherlands as well as the sounds

[@stuartwildridge5822]

Also downhill the motors put power back into the grid.

[@thisisbob1001]

Cycled between Penistone and Dunford bridge about week ago

[@AJBa83]

@PTGRail bring your camera and you could easily do a video on the old line, especially on the eastern side most of the route is either still in use as the Stocksbridge steel works spur line or the Transpennine Trail cycle route and the road bridges and tunnels are still there, and the remains of the ghost stations are all clearly visible. Woodhead is out of bounds but Thurgoland tunnel is open to ride through.

[@jackbarrowclough1739]

We need this for train sim world

[@GreyDawgh]

Epic stuff this. I just love mid 20th centaury industrial areas / look / feel England is such a great example, Woodhead in particular, of this era. I want to go back!! I need to find and befriend someone with a Blue police box, me thinks!

[@johnriggs4929]

In October 1967, I was an apprentice joiner, working on refurbishing an old farmhouse at the top of Huthwaite Lane, Thurgoland. I kept hearing this 'whine', then the clickety ckick of the coaches going over the rail joints. I hadn't realised, but I was less than a hundred yards or so from the South portal of Thurgoland tunnel. I was fascinated with these locomotives - all we had on the Colne Valley route by that time were class 40's, peaks, and a few old leaky aussies working the coal trains over the Standege. Great times, without a doubt. 👍

[@chrisst8922]

Trans Pennine Express has said they can't run all their trains because their drivers are watching this video learning the route.

[@JVerschueren]

You could compromise by using the F5 'hud' for steam locomotives instead of the more graphical ones.

[@oliverthegreatwesternengin8029]

Can I also find a speedo fix for the Riviera in the fifties King Class? That one is for me also in kph.

[@christopherwilson3442]

Very good, a few little bits not quite right, but in the main OK.

[@montyburnsgaming3609]

Just wondering, is the modern, current day Manchester to Sheffield route avilable for TSC?

[@emt43043]

Actually your wrong this route is still in used at the Sheffield end it only goes as far as deepcar for the steel workings

[@johnm2012]

That speedometer is very difficult to read accurately. That's a problem because the game only gives you 1 mph grace over the speed limit. I haven't progressed beyond using the HUD.

[@nigelkthomas9501]

Why was Woodhead not electrified to 25kv from the start? Things might have been very different had that happened.

[@grumpyoldman47]

I guess the simple answer is that it hadn't been invented when the electrification started in the 1930s! Completion was delayed by WW2 and the need to bore the new Woodhead Tunnel Also, the Weir Report had also advocated 1500v DC overhead for all electrifications schemes other than on the Southern where third-rail was already well established, although there was scope to use 3000v DC overhead if it could be justified - the GWR proposed the latter for it's electrification scheme for all lines west of Taunton

[@johnm2012]

The steepness of the route made the engineers really want to use regenerative braking. Regenerative braking could only be done with a DC supply in the 1950s. Use the motors as generators, match the generated voltage with the line voltage by adjusting the field current, and then connect the two. With AC you have to get the frequency and the phase correct too, which was too difficult then. So that forced the use of DC. DC means you can't use a transformer in the locomotive to step down the voltage so the line voltage is what is applied to the motors. So the relatively low voltage of 1500 V DC was chosen.

[@stuartwildridge5822]

You haven't mentioned the Signal boxes passed either.

[@rogercrick9813]

Peter, another fascinating quality video; many thanks. With regard to your plan for a Chiltern Railways route video, there is a recent video on KZbin by tstar2001uk. He is Chiltern driver and the video is a real life run from Marylebone to Birmingham in a class 168. It has a commentary and captions about lineside features which might be of interest to you. He has done videos of other Chiltern routes too.

[@TheDyIan]

How on earth did you get a straight 60 most of the time?! Lovely route :)

[@cliffwoodbury5319]

35:30 - Great camera work!

[@ronanlinsley7860]

Could you do a Woodhead in BR Blue route learning video? I know it’s a duplication sort of but the new stock for the route is fantastic.

[@thecreator224]

Being a local of the manchester area I must ask; is there a version of this route that travels via the Hope Valley line through Ryder brow and Belle Vue?

[@martinusher1]

There is a cab video of the Hope valley line but its relatively modern so the train goes through Stockport and the Disley tunnel. I haven't seen anything through Marple -- I traveled that route after the Woodhead line was closed and it was a poor substitute for it.

[@lukefrench3154]

noo but I also want the I live near reddish and brinnington they are my regular stations

[@0230179]

Very enjoyable

[@MsMariGaming]

You did set the lights incorrectly, I have a large knowledge of lamps and coads of the BR period, and you should have kept the top one off for a express or the two bottom ones off to a stopping passenger

[@glenagalt]

Full list of period train classes and headlamp codes here... myweb.tiscali.co.uk/gansg/3-sigs/svgh9ghb2.jpg

[@MsMariGaming]

glenagalt indeed as I know them

[@TheRollingBear]

Nice video. Keep it up! :-)

[@vincitveritas3872]

What's the constant clacking sound in cab?

[@trainmaniacstudios8216]

What is that irritating clicking sound in the cab?

[@davesowden4907]

Train Maniac Studios, that’s the over pronounced sound of each pair of wheels passing over the joints in the track, which sound to me to be 120 foot lengths rather than 60 foot ones. I doubt that the real thing would sound like that in real life but there’s some 77 footage of them in Holland here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oqCQeniYmMeqZrM I don’t think that you’ll hear a great deal of that in the clip as I would imagine that most NS track, even in 1986, would be mostly CWR. Also, early in the video on which we’re commenting, the amount of gantries that would, in real life, be needed to support the OHLE, is sadly lacking and I find that to be a major bug bear. The graphics in the video are very good though. An express passenger train would only have a light above each buffer lit too, to denote to each signalbox what type of train it was.

[@samuelking4299]

Ps I love your vids!

[@colinhodgkinson9104]

WHAT format is this simulator in Iam using window 7 can i use it where can i get it from

[@PTGRail]

It's for Windows PC. You can purchase Train Simulator on the Steam store here: store.steampowered.com/app/24010/Train_Simulator/

[@ScoutZz]

Yo PTG what are you pc specs

[@JayBansal2012]

There were actually 8 coaches on the train not 9

[@declangaming24]

The 9th could be a guards coach

[@declangaming24]

It's not deepcar is depcar.

[@flalingbashers2957]

Jesus how boring. I’ll stick to GTA 5