Train Wiped Out a Town - The Lac-Mégantic Inferno 2013

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@congruentcrib
@congruentcrib Жыл бұрын
This is the kind of town I want to live in. The community came together and defended 3 strangers and instead focused their attention on a bigger company. They must’ve known they wouldn’t win, but still wanted justice for those who are victims. That’s a true community.
@allisonirvmiller4670
@allisonirvmiller4670 Жыл бұрын
@Carah ok
@omegadynamic7026
@omegadynamic7026 Жыл бұрын
It's rare to see such town people defended 3 strangers. Now that is good town folks
@omegadynamic7026
@omegadynamic7026 Жыл бұрын
@Carah just end it here
@BrawndoQC
@BrawndoQC Жыл бұрын
@Carah Get a life
@thepawchoe2749
@thepawchoe2749 Жыл бұрын
​@1099Wert ok
@iSapien1956672
@iSapien1956672 Жыл бұрын
I like how they told him to stay at his hotel after he offered, and wanted, to go back to the train, to see it and secure it for his own peace of mind, but they said “just stay there, no need to go back, get some sleep” and then charge him with negligence. Typical corporate.
@VancouverCanucksRock
@VancouverCanucksRock Жыл бұрын
With my OCD, I would have told the guy I'm going back to the unit. F that sh++
@almar456
@almar456 Жыл бұрын
If I'm seeing the timeline correctly, he would've been too late anyway, since apparently a fire fighter saw the train roll past mere minutes after extinguishing it. And the train operator was only called after the fire was under control. He was in a hotel in the other town, so I don't think he would've made it in time either way...
@ignorance72
@ignorance72 Жыл бұрын
The company didn't charge him, the government did.
@otosere2857
@otosere2857 Жыл бұрын
That phone call was probably what got him off the hook. He attempted to secure it and they told him to stand down.
@Neon_White
@Neon_White Жыл бұрын
You dont get to be absolved of responsibility just because some dude told you it's fine, especially when so many lives are in your hands.
@TheFr33zer
@TheFr33zer Жыл бұрын
I am from Lac-Mégantic. I was present during the tragedy. Seeing these pictures gives me chills. I can still hear the terrible hiss that this fire has been making all night. Bravo for the documentary, your information is correct and well explained.
@kayoh1233
@kayoh1233 Жыл бұрын
I'm glad to see you are OK at least ❤
@Guitars77OA6
@Guitars77OA6 Жыл бұрын
😢
@patatebanine4278
@patatebanine4278 Жыл бұрын
Jr suis desolé. Cela a dû etre traimatizant
@kata_travel_spirituality
@kata_travel_spirituality Жыл бұрын
So sorry you had to go through that :(
@junecoulthard8942
@junecoulthard8942 Жыл бұрын
WoW, I'm just in complete shock just watching this video. Can't imagine the nightmares you and countless others will remember for the rest of your lives. So happy you lived to speak of this tragedy. Thankyou Friend ❤
@ziggamon
@ziggamon Жыл бұрын
Man just hearing that conversation with Tom and his manager and then what transpired afterwards hits hard bro. Asking if he should go back and check on the train after he absolutely sure he secured it within spec, then finding out later that it was his train that derailed. That could have happened to any one of us that holds a job with some crucial responsibility. It's super fucked up that their company threw them under the bus but I'm glad that they were all acquitted!
@nolanmcleod2619
@nolanmcleod2619 Жыл бұрын
Yeah he tried to make sure, offered to go check. The company didn't want to waste the hour of pay I guess 🤦🏾‍♂️😢. This video was the best coverage I've seen of this tragedy
@katieandkevinsears7724
@katieandkevinsears7724 Жыл бұрын
I work for a major U.S. railroad. I absolutely know they'd throw mu under the train if a similar situation happened with me.
@AtillatheFun
@AtillatheFun Жыл бұрын
@@katieandkevinsears7724 I just wanna pop in and thank you for doing what you do. Railroads are essential for our society to function, yet you don’t get the respect you deserve.
@AspireC137
@AspireC137 Жыл бұрын
It was stated in the video that Harding did not secure his train within spec, even before the fire. He stated himself that he applied 7 hand brakes in total. With the slope the train was parked on however, he should have applied twice as many hand brakes according to procedure. That way, the train would not have able to move. Whether the locomotive's engine was on or not.
@gnarthdarkanen7464
@gnarthdarkanen7464 Жыл бұрын
@@AspireC137 Yeah, BUT how much of what he physically did was because of his training FROM THE COMPANY... and how much was just him saying, "Christ... It's late, I'm not doing anymore than that. She ain't going nowhere." ??? You see??? You DO NOT KNOW... AND with the confidence in his voice on the phone, he was doing what he was trained to do, as far as he knew ALL within spec'. We're getting the "actual spec's" from the video YEARS AFTER the fact, because they get referenced in the investigation and reports and court cases, all of it... REGARDLESS of what he was told to do in the classes, schools, refreshers, etc... on the job... BY THE COMPANY. Did he REALLY know better than to test the handbrakes with the airbrakes on? Did he REALLY know how many handbrakes were prescribed for that slope on that train??? OR is it possible, his "Training Supervisor" told him the procedure to test the brakes, and "As long as she ain't going nowhere, she's secure enough. F*ck it. The brass don't need to be paying you overtime for extra handbrakes you don't need."??? OBVIOUSLY, if we even could track down the trainers and instructors, they'll ALL tow the school's prideful "company line". "We hold our students and especially our graduates to THE HIGHEST standards around here, because when we do right, nobody remembers, but when we screw up, EVERYBODY DIES!" Right? You've heard those lines (or lines like them) before. God knows, I HAVE. It's almost always BULLSHIT... BUT you here the same "Customers and Passenger's safety is our TOP priority!" and blah-blah-blah... ...yeah... Then how is it so often we keep hearing and seeing about how you kill 50 to 1000 of them at a whack??? How is it that's not a "once in a lifetime" thing??? Highest standards??? ....yeah... MY ASS... ;o)
@PanduPoluan
@PanduPoluan Жыл бұрын
I'm touched how the citizens of Lac-Megantic didn't blame the three employees, and even stood by them.
@MOTANFOUTUNE
@MOTANFOUTUNE Жыл бұрын
It's because the three employees was thrown under the bus. The real responsible was the MMA (Montreal Maine and Atlantics railroads) owner and CEO. That should be prosecuted , but when you are multi millionnaire the law fear to touch you. Even with a 10 feet pole.
@Decenium
@Decenium Жыл бұрын
@@MOTANFOUTUNE capitalism baby!
@Killerspieler0815
@Killerspieler0815 Жыл бұрын
YES , fine people , they likely knew that the lowerst positions are usually the scape goats
@aweewa5659
@aweewa5659 Жыл бұрын
Canada is usually lenient with prison time.
@kylrfox
@kylrfox Жыл бұрын
The driver was purely innocent, the guy who was sent to check the train should have had prison time, or if wasn’t trained to do so then the guy who sent him should face prison time. Checking the train if it’s safe and then it ends up blowing a town up… well his check weren’t great then
@dillyboyq
@dillyboyq Жыл бұрын
Feel so bad for Mr. Harding.. he did everything he thought he was supposed to do and one little mix up (which definitely happened because he was the singular ONLY operator) screwed it all. Even after the first little smoke started, he offered to go back to the train and make sure everything was okay, but his superior told him not to and go to bed.. Harding almost certainly would’ve caught the error had he went back like he said he would..
@TheLunatrick
@TheLunatrick Жыл бұрын
Exactly I feel so bad for him cuz you know he almost certainly thinks about that about if only he just went back anyways to make sure everything was ok. He did his job and they tried to pin so much on him its just sad
@freedomunrestricted
@freedomunrestricted Жыл бұрын
Nope, he screwed up doing a proper securement test. And would have known it would hold if he had done it properly.
@steveprice1639
@steveprice1639 Жыл бұрын
Maybe so, but he did leave the locomotive running that kept the airbrakes on, those along with the seven manual car brakes did hold the train. The problem began after the fire when the 2nd engineer switched the engine off, probably doing the right thing as per procedure, that caused the air brakes to release and started the runaway. @@freedomunrestricted
@freedomunrestricted
@freedomunrestricted Жыл бұрын
@@steveprice1639 one of the biggest rules is that you are never supposed to rely on air brakes for this exact reason. That's why a good securement test requires ensuring the train holds with handbrakes alone.
@bshunter9290
@bshunter9290 Жыл бұрын
@@freedomunrestricted exactly, he came off easy
@regould221
@regould221 Жыл бұрын
This story left out a few details. When the engineer did the air brake test one of the devices on the engine that indicated that the air brakes were applied wasn't functioning so it indicated that the air brakes were not applied even though they were. The engineer did the proper tests but got fooled by the faulty air brake indicator that all the air brakes had been released. A second problem was that a device in the other engines that would have started the engine up automatically with low air brake pressure was not working. So basically it was the combination of several poorly maintained our broken devices on that train that led to the accident.
@ALLLL4him
@ALLLL4him Жыл бұрын
That makes more sense. Fact there was a mickey mouse fix in engine to start with shows lack of correct care. It was the perfect storm of train accidents. 😢 hope the engineer is doing okay. Wouldn’t want to be in his shoes. Poor guy.
@ALLLL4him
@ALLLL4him Жыл бұрын
@Donald Norfleet Don’t think safety was first on their minds. Its horrible. The engine patch alone shows you that. Bottom dollar outranked everything.
@kurtmooreca
@kurtmooreca Жыл бұрын
That and another thing that wasn't mentioned is that the fire department (while correct in judgement) had no authority to turn the engine off (only rail operators have the authority to engange and disengage rail equipment.), and in doing so triggered the following chain of events due to disengaging the air brakes by mistake. This was also compounded by MMA not sending out an operator to the investigation, instead relying on what we call in the industry, "The hard hat clowns" because they wear hard hats to look important, but don't know shit about operations at all. They were PR people out there trying to downplay the Fire incident to local authorities, not Rail People who knew proper rail operation and securement procedure. In short colossal fuck up on the Railroads part, and the fact they tried to sewer the Operator and Dispatcher is just par for the course. Always the guys with ties who fuck shit up, always the guys in the Hi-Vis who eat the shit. Was super glad when the labourers were acquitted and the Company held accountable. I can only imagine given recent events that the Crew of the Train and their Dispatchers are also going through a similar gauntlet for what happened in East Palestine Ohio, and NS is doing everything in their power to make it their fault and not the Companies Fault....and they will probably succeed, because they usually do. Its always "the little guys fault".
@ChristopherWoods
@ChristopherWoods Жыл бұрын
Sounds like a classic Swiss cheese disaster.
@wabi_sabi_vida
@wabi_sabi_vida Жыл бұрын
​@@kurtmoorecamy thoughts exactly. Anyone who assumes the authority to shut down a train should understand the basic functions of safely working around it. Not knowing that turning off the train impacts the trains braking system is ignorant.
@madeline3868
@madeline3868 Жыл бұрын
While Mr. Harding screwed up by not engaging enough brakes, a train carrying crude oil should not have had one engineer managing the train.
@williamcote4208
@williamcote4208 Жыл бұрын
It was company policy… basically he got skrewed by the MMA.
@kljl2
@kljl2 Жыл бұрын
Yeah sadly had company followed policy and had a second person it would have been physically capable to engage all of the brakes... I don't blame him at all he did everything you possibly could yeah he had a couple mistakes but that was it everybody makes simple mistakes And he couldn't have accounted for the fact that the firemen were going to cut the engine
@bookcat123
@bookcat123 Жыл бұрын
Especially if you don’t even let that one engineer go check on it after it catches fire.
@lrc3847
@lrc3847 Жыл бұрын
@@williamcote4208 there are exceptions where policies are overriden by certain actions. Yeah, the penalty might come later but the situation could be avoided.
@notpoliticallycorrect1303
@notpoliticallycorrect1303 Жыл бұрын
That image at 7:50 really shows the scale of the carnage,absolutely dreadful!
@ursulcx299
@ursulcx299 Жыл бұрын
A week before the disaster, the town had hosted the national cycling championship, it was one of the most beautiful venue I've raced at. It felt so surreal to think that the whole place was gone in smoke right after we were there. Returning there a few years later left me with such an hollow feeling in my guts.
@kronosomni2805
@kronosomni2805 Жыл бұрын
That's like the Lower 9th Ward in New Orleans, there are still empty slabs where there used to be homes. I can't imagine being there, the energy of death still resonates in some places.
@HoneyLee-r3q
@HoneyLee-r3q 9 ай бұрын
What happened there?
@LunaKatzma
@LunaKatzma 9 ай бұрын
​@@HoneyLee-r3q hurricane katrina comes to mind though it probably isn't the only thing.
@SouthernFlyer1011
@SouthernFlyer1011 Жыл бұрын
It hits me every time I hear this story overall I do not blame Tom Harding he did what he thought was necessary to operate the defective train and blame the inferior company he worked for
@Morpheen999
@Morpheen999 Жыл бұрын
It sounded like on the phone conversation like he knew he should go up and check on that train after the fire, and there is no doubt in my mind if he had of, he would've secured the train properly and this disaster would've been avoided
@theodoreneer4781
@theodoreneer4781 Жыл бұрын
@@Morpheen999 the only people responsible were the corrupt execs who chose to use subpar parts, profits should never ever take priority over safety, if they had used correct parts there would have been no fire nor would there have been a failure of the airbrakes and nothing would have gone wrong. This is another case of a rich company playing fast and loose with regulations and then blaming working men when something inevitably goes wrong
@sugarkane1571
@sugarkane1571 Жыл бұрын
@@Morpheen999 What did you think he was gonna do, chase down the train? Sure, he might have got a feeling it was his train considering the same train had some *issues*, but why would he think that the train was going to go anywhere with the brakes on? Also, don’t forget that the negligence of the company was what caused the first fire. Sure, if he spent 3 minutes on the hand brakes, the explosion wouldn’t have happened, but if the company care about the safety of their workers, neither the fire nor the explosion would have happened!
@CaseyP
@CaseyP Жыл бұрын
@@Morpheen999 disaster is always caused by a chain of events. It was the final link, but far from the only one
@Morpheen999
@Morpheen999 Жыл бұрын
@@sugarkane1571 If he went straight to the train after hearing that the firefighters had put out the fire, Instead of the Incompetent train workers that did nothing... He would've fired up one of the other engines to make sure the air brakes stayed engaged for the rest of the night
@ZombieSazza
@ZombieSazza Жыл бұрын
“So the coroners had to use DNA samples to identify them” So my late Step-Father Hamish was the ME for the Piper Alpha Disaster, was the last case he took because he couldn’t be in the morgue any more after that, dealing with that volume of burnt human remains is such a harrowing job it left Hamish with pretty crippling PTSD (during a time PTSD didn’t get much support and was heavily judged). So trust me when I say I really feel for those coroners, they had one hell of a task where they’re not receiving whole cadavers but rather parts of them, just small, mangled parts of people, images you can’t get out your head no matter how hard you try. I really hope the coroners had a strong support system, people who were able to love and support them, because it’s such an incredibly difficult job with explosions like this. Hamish died by suicide a decade ago, it was just something that never left him, and hearing about disasters like this where I learn the coroners dealt with similar circumstances, I can only pray they have lots of love, strong support and understanding, because even then it’s not enough.
@echokilo333
@echokilo333 Жыл бұрын
I saw your comment about him on the brick immortar video about the piper alpha a while back. I have thought about him and you often. I hope you're doing okay. 🖤
@draconiusultamius
@draconiusultamius Жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear about that, hope you and your family are alright.
@ItsJustLisa
@ItsJustLisa Жыл бұрын
I remember your comment about Hamish on the other video too. I hope the MEs and support staff on this disaster got the support they needed too.
@VickyCooksalot
@VickyCooksalot Жыл бұрын
I'm sorry for all your stepfather went through. And losing him so sad.
@ZombieSazza
@ZombieSazza Жыл бұрын
@@echokilo333 thank you for thinking of me and Hamish, that’s really kind! I went to Hazlehead park the day after the video to visit the memorial, just sat and talked too it. I’m hoping the coroners and their families feel a sort of peace at the Memorial Lac-Megantic
@WilliamHBaird-eq2hp
@WilliamHBaird-eq2hp Жыл бұрын
I met the engineer Tom Harding, years before the incident at CP in Montreal. A really good fellow. I am grateful the MM&A Short line Railway and owners were blamed for their bad decisions
@chandrabrown3375
@chandrabrown3375 5 ай бұрын
I am related to Tom and he is a wonderful person
@poika22
@poika22 Жыл бұрын
It seems crazy that one person could ever be in charge of such a large train. What if there's a medical emergency? People do faint, have strokes, heart attacks, allergic reactions etc. with zero warning sometimes.
@gxlorp
@gxlorp Жыл бұрын
Especially with all the heart injuries after 2021.
@paulrzzs3923
@paulrzzs3923 Жыл бұрын
I Imagine trains have a dead man switch, if you dont operate it every few minutes it assumes something happened to the operator and applies the brakes. Not sure it that locomotives had it tho.
@flyingmonkeydeathsquadronc968
@flyingmonkeydeathsquadronc968 Жыл бұрын
@@paulrzzs3923 Operator bypass safety features all the time, I know as a fact a train equip with that DMS mechanism was in an accident because the driver found a way to override as standard practice and entered a situation in which that safety equipment was designed for.
@jonatgan8546
@jonatgan8546 Жыл бұрын
@@gxlorp what happened?
@truesoulghost2777
@truesoulghost2777 Жыл бұрын
@@jonatgan8546the mandatory things…if that gives you a clue.
@LadyCooper
@LadyCooper Жыл бұрын
Lac-Megantic is taught in Canada as a "what not to do" for crisis communications. Shortly after the disaster, the rail company CEO was slow to respond, put blame everywhere else, gave insincere apologies, and eventually got someone to communicate with affected residents ... who couldn't speak French. The CEO also took over a week longer than it was safe to even visit the town (while the Prime Minister visited as soon as the fires were out). Another really sad point about this disaster is one of the buildings closest to the blast was the town's senior care home.
@gxlorp
@gxlorp Жыл бұрын
How is that sad? It would be more sad if it was a bunch of kids
@Choco____1
@Choco____1 Жыл бұрын
@@gxlorp what the actual hell are you talking about? A senior care home being in the radius of a disastrous explosion is an incredibly sad event! While it would have been worse if it were, say, an orphanage, the elderly are incredibly important parts of all of our lives, and to lose them like this is horrific.
@airplanemaniacgaming7877
@airplanemaniacgaming7877 Жыл бұрын
@@Choco____1 they're probably somebody of the most current generation (my generation. I hate being here.) who never learned to respect their elders. our seniors are the ones who did all the work for us to currently use and enjoy. They are the ones who helped work in times when there was less safety and less automation, and helped to bring the technology to what it is today. Treating them like dirt, when they have wisdom they can share to help make our lives easier and better, is akin to kicking a child in the face and telling them to grow up when they cry.
@Choco____1
@Choco____1 Жыл бұрын
@@airplanemaniacgaming7877 If this guy is of our generation, at least it means that he has lots of room to grow. Everyone's teenage years are cringe to them when they finally grow up.
@airplanemaniacgaming7877
@airplanemaniacgaming7877 Жыл бұрын
@@Choco____1 It's just an expectation at this point that things are going downhill. At least some can see that happening, wind up seeing it happening, or live their whole lives acting like everything is hunky-dory. Yes, I'm a bitter bastard. History tends to repeat itself, or creates a new thing that is somehow even worse than the last.
@DoctorV76
@DoctorV76 Жыл бұрын
My grandpa’s ashes were there when this happened. As you can imagine my grandmother was devastaded when this happened. The whole province experienced the tragedy
@TheAbyssoftheMind
@TheAbyssoftheMind Жыл бұрын
My heart goes out to the train operator. It's good that the charges against him were dropped, hope this all doesn't weigh too heavily on him. Hearing the recordings of his interactions before and after it all was great, I love to hear that kind of thing, it helps contextualize the event. The horror in their voices as they realize it was their train is chilling. You can hear him go over how many brakes he put down, at first in his head and then out loud, and come to the conclusion that should be right: seven. That little thing has me sold that he honestly didn't know about the rule about brakes on an incline, safety rules only reach as far as they're taught.
@MissMiseryLeigh
@MissMiseryLeigh Жыл бұрын
Agreed. I was oddly personally invested in whether or not he was charged. I'm happy that the charges were dropped.
@GreedWillEndUs
@GreedWillEndUs Жыл бұрын
Sure right, poor little train operator I hope he's well, the 47 persons that Died though they can fuck right off.
@-et37-
@-et37- Жыл бұрын
@@MissMiseryLeigh SAME. All 3 men couldn’t have known the extent of the problem.
@feraxks
@feraxks Жыл бұрын
The charges weren't dropped. He was acquitted of the charges. Big difference and I'm glad he was acquitted.
@MissMiseryLeigh
@MissMiseryLeigh Жыл бұрын
@@-et37- I find it especially enraging that they were used as scapegoats as the company did not want to take responsibility. Now that is greed at its finest. As far as the conductor knew, he was following protocal. I can only imagine what he goes through mentally, probably feeling guilty for the kives lost.
@jmm2000
@jmm2000 Жыл бұрын
Canada now forbids solo or one-person operations on all trains. A minimum of two or three personnel must accompany a train in Canada. As for the US, no rules have been forced to the rail companies to prohibit one person train operations.
@wematanye533
@wematanye533 Жыл бұрын
​@VP.Scarface No, it's because they claim there's no evidence that two person crews are safer than one person crews. However this disaster pretty well provides that evidence.
@kansascityshuffle8526
@kansascityshuffle8526 Жыл бұрын
The way these guys were arrested was over the top. Harding (I think) was taken by SWAT from a backyard birthday party.
@XMysticHerox
@XMysticHerox Жыл бұрын
@VP.Scarface Even worse idea. What do you think happens when an automated train malfunctions in a similar manner? There isn't even a slight chance someone notices.
@sabersz
@sabersz Жыл бұрын
@@XMysticHerox if corrupt companies can find ways to save money, they'll do it.
@biosparkles9442
@biosparkles9442 Жыл бұрын
@@kansascityshuffle8526 Christ, as if he hadn't been through enough
@WernerKlorand
@WernerKlorand Жыл бұрын
Among many videos with similar topics, this one stands out! It is very rare to find such a well-written, comprehensive and fair documentary! To top it off: no unnecessary voyeurism. A true gem, thanks a lot! I wish some creators take an example.
@wakeboardingandfishing1813
@wakeboardingandfishing1813 Жыл бұрын
I’ve heard this one before, but this narration really puts into perspective how horrific this must have been.
@LussiaNéron
@LussiaNéron Жыл бұрын
It was a very good informative video, but to me the missing part is HOW horrific it was. We talk about (around) 7 millions litres of crude oil, now imagine THE WAVE; witnesses describe a TSUNAMI of fire!!! It leaks in the sewage system, then fire was spilling out every manholes, in the house's basements, etc. Some people were running to the lake, others were running to reach higher points. No time to think, only reflexes that can save or cost your life.
@begbieyabass
@begbieyabass Жыл бұрын
For everyone
@sablalicorne2261
@sablalicorne2261 Жыл бұрын
Yes it's my town and it was felling like the end of The world y was kinda far like a kilometer away and the second explosion came in and all the sky lights up I was like this it it.sorry for my English 🤣
@zebraloverbridget
@zebraloverbridget Жыл бұрын
Same and I think this one is the first to really show that the operator really wasn't at fault. I am unsure if the other videos mentioned it or not, but I do love hearing that the town realized what the company was doing and stood up for the scape goats. It would have been so easy for them to blame them and be over with it all and yet they didn't.
@whoknows8225
@whoknows8225 Жыл бұрын
didnt they make a movie of this
@padd.240
@padd.240 Жыл бұрын
Fire dispatcher here, I work at the dispatch center who handled the disaster, barely got sleep for 5 days, it was a mess but even with the disaster, the help and support from everyone around was amazing ! Rest in peace 🙏
@pencerism
@pencerism Жыл бұрын
@@RoshanAntonyTauro what? what is so funny about this? jfc.
@JRTX93
@JRTX93 Жыл бұрын
​@pencerism its always people involving themselves to a situation when it's likely not true commenting something like " I was there"
@padd.240
@padd.240 Жыл бұрын
@@JRTX93 Well, I was there on duty, took the calls and tried to help people, so you're not quite right here buddy !
@jesuschrist7833
@jesuschrist7833 10 ай бұрын
Sure ya did
@HoneyLee-r3q
@HoneyLee-r3q 9 ай бұрын
What makes you think they are lying?
@clovislapointe3126
@clovislapointe3126 Жыл бұрын
I was 10 years old when this happened. I remember seeing it on the news and being told about it, but I never was able to grasp the full extent of the disaster until today. I now have a better understanding of what these people went through and who is to blame for what happened. I sincerely thank you for covering these events.
@Liam40
@Liam40 Жыл бұрын
I am a former freight conductor. I cannot overemphasize the importance of two-man crews. They could have prevented this. They genuinely make up so much of the safety of rail transport. You don't know the horror of working 12 hours or more, sleeping a broken four to five hours at a bunkhouse, only to work another 12 hours back home. Why is this a horror? You've been doing this for weeks, if not months, back to back. Your body is exhausted. Your brain feels broken. Your eyes close, and next thing you know you're 20 miles from where you last were. Your engineer, due to the advent of Trip-Op has nothing to do but hit the yellow RSC button when the tone chimes, or blow the horn. When you look over to see him, he's asleep too. You're doing 30mph with 30,000 tons of LPG behind you and you don't know if you went through a crossing without blowing it and took someone out. You don't know if the last signal you passed was red. You don't know if someone has been trying to contact you. All you can do is keep going to the next signal, praying it is green while both your engineer and yourself sit there horrified, but knowing if you report yourselves you'll be pulled into a formal investigation by the company and treated like a criminal. Lac Megantic could have been prevented. With the direction things are going, and the advent of single person crews? I don't think we've learned from our past sins. I promise you, with the track the large railroads are going (CN, CP, UP, BNSF, NS, etc etc), you will see another town wiped out. Not from mechanical defects, not from a loss of control, but because the railroads are removing those slices of swiss cheese that stop these disasters.
@beyondEV
@beyondEV Жыл бұрын
Not a bad thought. The real problem actually runs way deeper. It's the widespread believe that every regulation is "socialism" and bad. should only get people who, if the f*** up get 47 people killed get reasonable work hour and compensation (living wage). or do we include those where it's only their own health at risk?
@doubleutubefan5
@doubleutubefan5 Жыл бұрын
And one of the biggest things in my experience is training. I hired on last year with a local rail switching company. We stay on site and switched out cars for large customer. Usually handling something like .. about a thousand cars a day. Well we have shift exchange at about 6: 00. A few months ago its about 5:30pm and it's dark out cuz it's winter time. I had just finished my work for the day early and headed into the office to put my rail cars that I moved into the computer tracking system. For the next crew to be able to switch what they need and take the correct cars to the plant. While I'm on the computer, I all of a sudden felt the ground shake like an earthquake and I heard the most gut-wrenching screech of metal on metal. My first thought was holy dang. Something just derailed. Thankfully it didn't, but I found out quite quickly afterwards tuning into the radio.... the 2nd crew crew that was trying to come up the hill was in a rush to get into the office. Well they weren't speeding but the guy riding the shove was apparently unfamiliar with the yard and didn't realize that the switch was set to track one. They're supposed to go on the bypass track to get into track 7 and then park the train there. Well because the switch was thrown for track one and he didn't know better because he wasn't trained and he was new. He just simply jumped off the train. At 14 mph. The female engineer at the other end of the train had no idea so she had throttle at notch 6. And that's when they hit the parked ethanol unit train. 89 cars of loaded ethanol sitting and waiting for Union Pacific to pick up. I was told that the cars were lifted in the air and somehow came back down on the track. Nothing derailed. We got away with one that night and holy crap. I can't imagine what would have happened if the speed was higher than 14 mph and something caught fire
@FordRangerClassics
@FordRangerClassics Жыл бұрын
I love both these stories
@tompw3141
@tompw3141 Жыл бұрын
The train was parked, the crew getting rest. That would have been the same with a two-person crew.
@doubleutubefan5
@doubleutubefan5 Жыл бұрын
@@tompw3141 Even though the engine got shut down, the hand brakes should have been enough to hold it. Even with the air shut off when we go to change brake shoes on our locomotives which is a similar model of the one used to pull this train, I still have to go release the ham breaks even if I cut the air out. That being said, five locomotives or seven whatever it was, plus the buffer car obviously was not enough. Especially on the hill on flat ground. No problem. But being it was on a three or four percent grade it should have been way more. Of course, a procedure like that would take at least a half hour to set the proper amount of hand brakes which would have put him over his legal amount of time to work. When the other guys came to inspect the train to make sure he's all safe, all they had to do was check if there isn't the proper amount of hand brakes. Which they would have seen that there was the proper amount of hand brakes. It just happened to be that they all were locomotives
@davidcox3076
@davidcox3076 Жыл бұрын
A number of fire departments responded from across the border in Maine. It was an incredible task getting the cars sorted out and the fire finally extinguished. Much respect to the crews who took on the inferno.
@dgh6g33gf
@dgh6g33gf Жыл бұрын
I didn't know that, that's very kind from the people of Maine
@Snowstar837
@Snowstar837 Жыл бұрын
@@dgh6g33gf Mainers are very kind people in general from my experience. And the Canadians are as well - when we had a big apartment fire up in Aroostook County last year, some fire trucks from New Brunswick showed up to help.
@MAGGOT_VOMIT
@MAGGOT_VOMIT Жыл бұрын
@ 4:00 Why does Richard Labrie sound like "Lenny" in, "Of Mice and Men"?? Someone should walk Richard down to the river, tell him to close his eyes and ask him if he sees the bunny-rabbits. {0.o}
@XxMusclecarsxX
@XxMusclecarsxX Жыл бұрын
@@Snowstar837 happens a lot during power outages, we send each other workers
@dabkolay
@dabkolay Жыл бұрын
This reminds me of our local incident (Alvia accident). In Spain something similar happened, also in 2013. A HV train full of passangers derailed leaving 80 deaths and 145 injured. The train took a turn at 200km/h when it had to slow down to 80km/h. It also happened by a combination of human error and poor security measures. The train operator was called by the train company and was speaking with them and overlooked the one and only warning sign and did not slow down, causing the catastrophe. The operator received all the blame, but 9 years after the incident, laste year (2022) the trials began and we all expect the company to take its part of the responsability if not all the responsability. This is why security measures are important and have to be solid. RIP all the victims.
@htos1av
@htos1av Жыл бұрын
When the manager told the engineer "no" that time, and go to bed WAS the break point. The engineer would immediately notice the engine not idling. RIP to all, a big salute to the citizens. As a Floridian, I should add Lac-Mégantic to my list of winter vacation locations, it looks beautiful there.
@karabinjr
@karabinjr Жыл бұрын
didn't the engine burn? that's what handbrakes were for
@kevinspacey5325
@kevinspacey5325 Жыл бұрын
@@karabinjr if the engineer had went down there, he would have restarted the engine as stated in the video. He knew the train should be idling to keep the air brakes activated. If he was there, more than likely he would have applied more hand brakes as a failsafe, albeit he didn't apply enough while on a hill to begin with.
@karabinjr
@karabinjr Жыл бұрын
@@kevinspacey5325 but how would he restart the engine that has burned down. What makes you think it is in working condition?
@blackroberts6290
@blackroberts6290 Жыл бұрын
@@karabinjr Maybe they thought those engines were more rugged than Corollas idk
@kevinspacey5325
@kevinspacey5325 Жыл бұрын
@@karabinjr He would have tried. . . . failed. . . then realized there was a bigger problem involved. that was the point i was making.
@medjack6330
@medjack6330 Жыл бұрын
A friend of mine died that day in the musi-café celebrating a friend’s birthday. Hearing about that chilling event makes me relive it as if it was yesterday.
@jacquelinedara
@jacquelinedara Жыл бұрын
😢 I’m so sorry!
@leslieannvanhumbeck7630
@leslieannvanhumbeck7630 Жыл бұрын
Sorry for your loss.
@seanbaskett5506
@seanbaskett5506 Жыл бұрын
I didn't know the square root of jack sh*t about Quebec, but after hearing how the residents came out in droves to support the 3 guys who were scapegoated, that is pure awesome. Every time I learn about French culture (old world or new) I come away highly impressed. The French are just ungovernable. I like that.
@charlesdemers1197
@charlesdemers1197 Жыл бұрын
Bienvenue au Québec 🇨🇦
@doctornick17
@doctornick17 Жыл бұрын
historically the french didnt treat the natives in the americas like shit unlike some other countries *cough cough spain and England*
@doctornick17
@doctornick17 Жыл бұрын
they're pretty nice people
@HoneyLee-r3q
@HoneyLee-r3q 9 ай бұрын
Very true.
@Aenygma_
@Aenygma_ 8 ай бұрын
Oh Quebecers are governable alright. Just gotta wave a cheque in front of their faces and they do whatever you tell them to.
@accaliamurraymusic
@accaliamurraymusic Жыл бұрын
I feel so bad for Tom - I can't even imagine the level of guilt he must be feeling. It wasn't his fault, at all, but guilt isn't logical like that. You could hear it in that earlier call - his gut was telling him to go check on the train. But he was talked out of it. I wouldn't survive that type of guilt. I hope he's doing okay these days.
@lesleylawson8094
@lesleylawson8094 Жыл бұрын
He didn't put all the breaks on! It said it he didn't put them on
@EnclaveOfficer1776
@EnclaveOfficer1776 Жыл бұрын
@@lesleylawson8094 he would have had to hand crank every single one of the manual breaks on every single tanker car. That’s a lot of work and unnecessary if you have the air brakes on.
@vsbaretummysugastonguetech1540
@vsbaretummysugastonguetech1540 Жыл бұрын
@@lesleylawson8094 he did what he could, with the resources he had. He even double checked. It’s the fire fighters who unknowingly turned a switch that made this catastrophe.
@Swebloody
@Swebloody Жыл бұрын
​@@vsbaretummysugastonguetech1540 can't blame the firefighters, they are there to fight the fire, not there to learn about locomotives, the company should be to blamed, for sending trainees instead of professionals
@Swebloody
@Swebloody Жыл бұрын
​@@lesleylawson8094 even if he did put everything on, the engine went off and they clearly stated that THE BREAKS STOPPED FUNCTIONING BECAUSE THE ENGINES WENT OFF, so in the end it wouldn't even matter if he had 2 billion brakes on them
@AaronShenghao
@AaronShenghao Жыл бұрын
It's quite sad but common to use train drivers as scapegoats... The 2011 Wenzhou Train crash in China was also blamed on the train driver who died from impalement by the brake handle... Of course, later investigation led to China's railway reform, several people in charge were arrested and sentenced. The driver was hailed as a hero who stayed on his post and held on the breaks until the last moment.
@Pactastic042
@Pactastic042 Жыл бұрын
That's how you would get impaled by the break handle I imagine, not letting go of it
@nyalan8385
@nyalan8385 Жыл бұрын
“Ah yes you see, this disaster isn’t our fault, clearly it’s the man who was killed by the breaks fault, he should have held the break not died from it”
@lattenkack3592
@lattenkack3592 Жыл бұрын
you see, at least in china, someone, that is actually responsible does eventually get hold responsible. never seen it happen in any "western" country, but it frequently happens in china.
@Ben-mw9vz
@Ben-mw9vz Жыл бұрын
@@lattenkack3592 oh boy, you dont know the vast corruption that plagues both america and china. In america, corruption is acknowledged and there are laws a cunning individual can use to their advantage. In china, your born into corruption and the punishments are rare.
@HyperformA1
@HyperformA1 5 ай бұрын
When i was hired to work for CN, they sent me out to Winnipeg. The training is extensive. My first week at the training facility, it was 8 hours from Monday to Friday showing us videos of these accidents happening under not just CN's railways, but all rail company accidents Canada and US wide. Those accident videos really put the gravity of just how bad things can get when things go wrong or mistakes are made. CN adopted a new motto a few years ago. "Zero is possible." When i first saw it i didn't really understand what it meant but after being informed, CN believes that having Zero accidents or injuries or deaths is possible, I only hope that i have the opportunity to contribute to that goal so things like this don't happen to anyone ever again.
@andyhill242
@andyhill242 Жыл бұрын
I find it quite heartwarming that in their grief, the residents didn't blame the 3 employees; instead, quite rightly, blaming the companies involved,
@BuckeyeNationRailroader
@BuckeyeNationRailroader Жыл бұрын
As a railroad enthusiast, everything you got in this video is correct when it comes to railway operating procedure. Hopefully this educates the public more on why we need to fight for two person and three person train crews, as well as fight to have a guarantee of safety from railroad companies when moving their trains through urban areas.
@f40carz93
@f40carz93 Жыл бұрын
This terrible disaster reminds me a lot of the new Palestine Ohio disaster, and the negligence of northolk and southern
@brainrotmd
@brainrotmd Жыл бұрын
Basically like how airlines require at least two pilots on the flight just in case.
@danczehajek9165
@danczehajek9165 Жыл бұрын
​@@brainrotmdthe two pilots in airliners definitely arent there "just in case"
@freedomunrestricted
@freedomunrestricted Жыл бұрын
A second person likely would not have known he screwed up the securement test.
@ShawnCalay-hi6gy
@ShawnCalay-hi6gy 11 ай бұрын
You can kiss railways goodbye then, we are on the horizon of no one in semi trucks...actually already running in Arizona...railways need to compete....they won't stand a chance with 2 and 3 men crews ...
@saragrant9749
@saragrant9749 Жыл бұрын
The citizens of that town are examples of how humanity should behave. They showed compassion and empathy to the engineers involved with this tragedy. While it should never have been able to happen, it serves as an example of how people ought to react. I hope the town has been able to recover!
@wrendavey
@wrendavey Жыл бұрын
I remember this happening. I’m always surprised people don’t talk about it more
@defundhollywood3259
@defundhollywood3259 Жыл бұрын
I still talk about it. I live near train tracks and it really kind of scarred me. 😟😟
@jacintepst8975
@jacintepst8975 Жыл бұрын
there is a tv serie about it on club illico
@fedfan3079
@fedfan3079 Жыл бұрын
Seems like there is a Denzel Washington movie loosely based on this, except he stops the train.
@JenBelogura
@JenBelogura Жыл бұрын
So true. I still remember that day and I live on the other side of the country
@needsmetal
@needsmetal Жыл бұрын
@@fedfan3079 Wrong runaway thats Unstopable and the story of Crazy 8s
@KCKrumbcake
@KCKrumbcake Жыл бұрын
This is a common story shared around the Locomotion community. I asked my uncle, a Train Engineer about this. Apparently after Tom was released, he apologized to all of the families affected with tons of money.
@chloekhamxox
@chloekhamxox Жыл бұрын
Its also a very common story told in Quebec and Canada
@MPVP_
@MPVP_ Жыл бұрын
Rest in peace for those who were lost in this horrible event.
@jq8913
@jq8913 Жыл бұрын
My now wife and I went here the year prior in 2012 after I was searching for dark sky areas to observe the stars. I'd never heard of this place before and we absolutely loved it. Safe to say it was shocking hearing this had happened to a town we thought no one has ever heard of but had a special place in our hearts. It was our first trip together.
@SasakiKuso
@SasakiKuso Жыл бұрын
Bro what
@geoffroybergeron7272
@geoffroybergeron7272 Жыл бұрын
​@@SasakiKuso There is an area of the same name nearby with an observatory that is a dark sky reserve with limited artificial lighting.
@chloekhamxox
@chloekhamxox Жыл бұрын
Ive also been there and it’s absolutely beautiful
@MichaelAMyers1957
@MichaelAMyers1957 8 ай бұрын
​@GojoBiggestHater can you not read ? Buddy was pretty clear with what he said
@TJPDmember
@TJPDmember Жыл бұрын
Literally local to me, unforgettable event, so many family ripped apart, friends lost and a whole town completely destroyed... Many left because only living there was to much. The town is not even done rebuilding, and it'll take much longer before every one heals up from that. Your video is spot on! Thank you for caring!
@Peusterokos1
@Peusterokos1 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for covering this. I'm native from Quebec and this event that struck us ten years ago was harrowing, horrifying and everything in between for the whole province and nation. Its come to light once again through what should of been a moment of respite thru the televised series that we locally and proudly produced as our way to mourn the events, but its horrors reared its ugly face once again in a similar incident seen in Ohio as of late. While not at all as destructive as what we experienced, the ugly face of neglect by the railway companies of both Canada and USA have caused yet again an incorrectible tragedy. For it weren't the conductor(s)' fault, its those who delegate their operations not for safety but for profit.
@mlucas4144
@mlucas4144 Жыл бұрын
Watching this after what’s going on in Ohio right now and wondering when the next catastrophe will occur. One man crews are a terrible idea. PSR and other safety measures being cut so executives can remain paid well. Workers don’t even get paid sick leave. Between the government and the large rail companies/shareholders, no one takes responsibility and yet these tragedies keep happening. How frightening for us all.
@-zgizmo224-5
@-zgizmo224-5 Жыл бұрын
Even worse now, sense your comment there has been dangerous derailments in Huston, Detroit, and somewhere in South Carolina. Only time will add more to the list.
@oatmealman1586
@oatmealman1586 Жыл бұрын
*how freight-ening. (Buh dum tssss) In all seriousness though, there's a reason workers during the industrial revolution would simply murder their bosses and burn down their homes. The government won't ever hold these men accountable because they too are responsible, and not only that, they're on the payroll of these corrupt companies.
@Alantra.deJour
@Alantra.deJour Жыл бұрын
No. 'Accidents'.
@LennoxMatt1
@LennoxMatt1 Жыл бұрын
And it could have been prevented if lobbyists hadn't paid Congress to guy the laws passed after the disaster
@nerysghemor5781
@nerysghemor5781 Жыл бұрын
I am wondering how many of the non-implemented recommendations from this incident will be found at fault in the Ohio derailment and others.
@nebhuron9386
@nebhuron9386 Жыл бұрын
I've been there when it happened. I used to live at Lac-Mégantic when the train fell. I lost two friends at the time and seeing this video makes me bring back old, hurtful memories. CCN should have been held much more accountable to their actions since they shouldn't have had this much oil on their locomotives. RIP 🇨🇦
@xen0bia
@xen0bia Жыл бұрын
10 years later and I still life in a town in Quebec where trains carrying hazardous cargo pass through downtown every 3-4 hours. There even was a derailment back in the 80s when the town was less populated/developped (no casualties I believe, but still). Back in the days there was talk of rerouting the tracks to go around the town, but that fell through. That there's been little to no change is pretty worrisome and infuriating. The appartement building I live in is right by these tracks, so it's difficult not to think about what could happen.
@arakwar
@arakwar Жыл бұрын
There's no word to describe the anger we all feel in Quebec about companies refusing to implement the new security standards. They should not be allowed to run a train on our land without those. The train companies have way too much power over our politicians in North America, this needs to change now. Or we'll have another Lac-Megantic level tragedy on our hand soon, and then we'll only have ourelves to blame for sitting idle and doing nothing.
@Miniweet9167
@Miniweet9167 Жыл бұрын
We paid for the Canadian Pacific when we were forced to join Canada and we are still paying to enrich these bastards.
@airplanemaniacgaming7877
@airplanemaniacgaming7877 Жыл бұрын
Les Quebecois est les plus fort dans Canada. (apologies if I butchered it, it's been a while since I really used French, and I was never really good with not anglo-writing with it to begin with.)
@wilsjane
@wilsjane Жыл бұрын
I just cannot believe that other countries do not use the system that is standard in the UK, where the brakes on cars are held on by springs and air pressure is needed to RELEASE them, rather than applying the brakes. It is simple and fail safe, along with not needing a locomotive to be left running when a train is parked. It may sound like a problem in the shunting yard, but it is not. Coupling the hoses to what you want to move takes less than 30 seconds per car and requires no physical effort. You can then pull off, without fear of anything else following you or running away. I have seen more than a dozen videos of accidents of this type, including the one in Japan, where simply by closing the air supply valve in error, the driver killed himself and around 100 passengers. I believe that at least France and Germany use the same system as ours, probably along with many other countries.
@parolof
@parolof Жыл бұрын
@@wilsjane exactly, U.S trains technology is very dated and backward
@givemeyournachos
@givemeyournachos Жыл бұрын
I hate to be the bearer of bad news to your comment as it happened again, but this time in the USA! Look up the news on the Ohio train derailment. The destruction isnt to the scale as Lac Megantic, but a whole town is basically going to be turned into a superfund pollution site due to heavy carcinogenic chemicals. I hope that it finally changes things down south and pushes for legislation and law changes.
@nssrrailfan
@nssrrailfan Жыл бұрын
Just terrifying, I am a railroad enthusiast, and I am amazed of the great narration. Again, amazing work.
@screaming_cat2007
@screaming_cat2007 Жыл бұрын
And this is why we learn why a disaster/accident happens so we can learn from it and avoid a repeat. Those 47 lost helped save future lives but they won’t be forgotten. Update: forgot 7 people and yes I know this isn’t working out but people are still fighting to have the safety features added so this doesn’t repeat.
@joshacollins84
@joshacollins84 Жыл бұрын
Judging from one is the last statements in this video those lives lost are currently in vain as the new regulations are being skirted.
@vinniezcenzo
@vinniezcenzo Жыл бұрын
The US rail strike was partly due to the workers protesting unsafe conditions. The strike was denied and the same shortsighted dangerous practices are still in place.
@atiredbee9228
@atiredbee9228 Жыл бұрын
they are being forgotten though, like the vid said railways arent following the new regulations, theyre just ignoring them
@RedRoseSeptember22
@RedRoseSeptember22 Жыл бұрын
47 not 40
@dd-jm1md
@dd-jm1md Жыл бұрын
did you not watch and/or listen to the programme?
@JeSuisUnePatate
@JeSuisUnePatate Жыл бұрын
I've been there so many times before, and after... I knew one of those 47 victims... I can't believe it's been almost 10 years ago already... A new path been promised for those trains to avoid Lac Megantic, but trains still use those tracks... RIP to all those 47... 🙏
@tylern6420
@tylern6420 Жыл бұрын
You were there when it happened?
@Didyus
@Didyus Жыл бұрын
@@tylern6420 No.. the person has visited that place but not during the accident
@tylern6420
@tylern6420 Жыл бұрын
@@Didyus thats good
@JeSuisUnePatate
@JeSuisUnePatate Жыл бұрын
@@tylern6420 - The other guy is right; I wasn't there that night. I worked a few days per year in one of the business that been destroyed. I've stay in a little hotel near by, ironicaly the same hotel where the train driver been... That hotel been destroyed eventually because of the soil contamination of this disaster...
@DJB10T1C
@DJB10T1C Жыл бұрын
@@tylern6420 he said before and after the incident not during.
@JerryGerry513
@JerryGerry513 Жыл бұрын
Crazy you post this and East Palenstine, Ohio gets destroyed by a train derailment and nobody is talking about it
@6th_Army
@6th_Army Жыл бұрын
The last hope to avoid disaster was crushed when they told Harding not to go to the train. Even if he'd not get there in time to stop the train from going. Having someone to sound the alarm would have saved many.
@nancyharman4795
@nancyharman4795 Жыл бұрын
Good point about the timing -- his hotel was either 8 km or 8 miles from where he'd left the train, wasn't it? And a firefighter just leaving the scene of the engine fire spotted that same engine going by... Harding probably couldn't have made it back in time, even if he took the initiative to go, after having been told to head to bed instead. 😺💕🐾
@Jch434
@Jch434 Жыл бұрын
@@nancyharman4795 That begs the question that if he had indeed went, would word have been sent to the Rail employees and fire fighters to stay on scene until his arrival. Surely they would’ve observed the train as it started to move.. In the case of “better safe than sorry”, this is the sorry. 😕
@kannakity9732
@kannakity9732 Жыл бұрын
I work in logistics for automotive, and these railroads are so out of touch, but they have literally all the power. It's ridiculous that governments aren't forcing these companies to do the right things for the SAFETY OF THE PEOPLE. How much do they value a life? Mine is priceless to me.
@dissimulii
@dissimulii Жыл бұрын
imagine thinking the government cares about anything but preserving itself. i'm genuinely curious how people end up this naive and misguided.
@RichieD_21
@RichieD_21 Жыл бұрын
Oh they can most definitely put a price value on human life and they do. And believe it or not, life is cheap...
@dfuher968
@dfuher968 Жыл бұрын
@@dissimulii Well, u know, how u guys always make demeaning comments about us over here in the EU, and how all our laws, rules and regulations are robbing us of our freedoms? U can keep ur "free-dumb". Coz those laws, rules and regulations are there to protect us. Against dangers like this. Against eating toxic food. To ensure our rights as workers to work under safe condition at a livable wage. To ensure our right to privacy. Etc etc. Yeah, imagine thinking the government cares about anything but preserving itself. In actually democracies they do, coz otherwise theyre out. U guys can be as foul and insulting as u like, u only make us laugh at u for volunteerily living under a system, where the vast majority is suppressed by the top 1% by means of propaganda making u actually support the lack of laws, rules and regulations to protect u. U have "free-dumb", coz u actually support the system, that ensures ur "right" to live in 3rd world conditions. Hell, there are 3rd world countries, that treat their ppl better than u. And why? Coz u allow urselves to be told, that ur the best in the world, ur better than every1 else, so no matter how bad things are for u, dont worry, every1 else has it worse. So u accept the unacceptable. Yeah, imagine thinking the government cares about anything but preserving itself. Ur government doesnt, coz u chose it to be so.
@MrTigriuS
@MrTigriuS Жыл бұрын
Money. Most of the goverments gets a cut of profits from railways. And as you know. Railways moves large amounts of goods. So this cut is quite substantial. And that's why in many countries railways are called government within the government. They pay and politicians and institutions turns the blind eye. So they can do whatever they want. Most what will happen in case of disaster or incident they WILL find the lowest level worker who will be sacrificed. And his life will be ruined. While "elite" continue to make money at the cost of human and environment.
@kannakity9732
@kannakity9732 Жыл бұрын
@@dissimulii I'm not naive. I actually DO understand, but I can still be outraged and flabbergasted by it.
@traviszuluaga5672
@traviszuluaga5672 Жыл бұрын
Lack of maintenance is an unfortunate reality in the rail industry. I’ve had engines catch on fire while I’m on them and it’s not a good time. I’ve reported engines and been forced to take them as is. I’ve reported air brake issues and also been ordered to take the train out. Luckily, we never made it a mile outside of the yard. The crews get blamed for the companies lack of care. It’s a damn shame.
@alex0589
@alex0589 Жыл бұрын
You have to understand, it's not 47 victims, it's a whole community. What happened there is unthinkable. Every single person in the province knows about this, we all felt it. The owner of the company (16:33) belongs in prison.
@ve2novve2nov
@ve2novve2nov Жыл бұрын
Not true ! He is free like the wind !!
@The_Quaalude
@The_Quaalude Жыл бұрын
Free em
@alnabulsi313
@alnabulsi313 Жыл бұрын
Its remarkably wonderful that the local community supported the engineer rather than accepting his being singled out as a scapegoat.
@mrswimmytanker7422
@mrswimmytanker7422 Жыл бұрын
He did what he was trained to do and was told he was good so it was out of his hands at that point since they didn't even train the crew that showed up again not his fault
@ilyaslerouge1598
@ilyaslerouge1598 10 ай бұрын
​​@FarTooRight Didn't know fighting against your occupiers makes you a terrorist
@Penultimate1785
@Penultimate1785 10 ай бұрын
​@@ilyaslerouge1598 freedom of speech 🇺🇸😜
@vincentbaillargeon9139
@vincentbaillargeon9139 Жыл бұрын
My parents were raised near Lac Megantic. I was home the day of the tragedy with my family. It was the most devastating moment I remember feeling seeing this on TV news. When it happens close to you, it hits hard.
@snowclo135
@snowclo135 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for covering this. I had never heard of it before. Rest in peace to all those who lost their lives
@samichgrrl
@samichgrrl Жыл бұрын
I'm from Montreal and I remember the horror of this incident.....
@lightdreamer_
@lightdreamer_ Жыл бұрын
From Mauricie region. Was in LaTuque when it happened
@francklie6568
@francklie6568 Жыл бұрын
From Varennes. I visited Lac Megantic a couple years ago. Visited the memorial, it's quite beautiful and impressive, all those sculptures with there messages of hope and what they did where the previous MusiCafe was. Truly beautiful.
@Fattts
@Fattts Жыл бұрын
Trainman from Maine here. Half of my coworkers were employed by the MMA railway when this happened, and because of this incident I can say that we’re not allowed to leave trains on the tracks between the border (or maybe as far west as Jackman) and Lac Megantic. I don’t have a timetable for the other side of Lac Megantic but I imagine it’s the same.
@Lvlaple4Ever
@Lvlaple4Ever Жыл бұрын
Engineer sounds like a nice genuine guy.
@horrificplumpkin6266
@horrificplumpkin6266 Жыл бұрын
it's absolutely disgusting how many of these disasters are caused by poor, greedy, evil management who cares more about money than safety and they always get away with it.
@annegrey3780
@annegrey3780 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for covering this, it was huge news across Canada when it happened. It's incredible how extensive and fatal it was given how small the town is...this isn't a place with sky scrapers and densely packed houses and people.
@joshcourt1393
@joshcourt1393 Жыл бұрын
The timing of this is eerie…
@-Scotticus-
@-Scotticus- Жыл бұрын
I was living in New Brunswick when this happened - I remember wanting to know all the details but never feeling satisfied with what I read. This video was excellent and covered everything from all perspectives! Very well done! 🙌
@lightdreamer_
@lightdreamer_ Жыл бұрын
This happened not far away from where I am. I can remember where I was while I watched everything unfold on tv, updating friends on a forum on the situation. I was absolutely shocked. A few years ago, I went on vacation at Mount Mégantic national park and actually visited the memorial for the disaster. I live in the Quebec province, for context. Went to Cité de l'Énergie in Shawinigan with my best friend last summer and in the interactive museum of energy there were little docks with videos about the pros and cons of different energy sources. One of them included footage of Lac Mégantic and I jumped backwards in shock....
@HardDriveGuruOfficial
@HardDriveGuruOfficial Жыл бұрын
What an upstanding community. It's a travesty that they never got justice for their loved ones, and even moreso that they're still in danger of a repeat tragedy.
@heronimousbrapson863
@heronimousbrapson863 Жыл бұрын
It's incredible that the railroad would not require a fully loaded train parked on a downhill slope to be secured by derails or catch points.
@goose300183
@goose300183 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, parking a heavy vehicle pointing downhill just gives me the creeps in general. Here in the UK, lorry drivers are taught how to do this (first of all, avoid parking on a hill if at all possible). You have to choose a parking spot with heavy buildings or fences next to it. First you turn on all brakes, then turn the front wheels towards the obstacle (something sturdy like a concrete building), in case for some reason the brakes let go - it is likely the whole lorry would just grind to a halt against the building, or at least slow it down significantly. Then you put chocks under the rear tractor wheels. In any case, the brakes are such that if the air pressure fails, heavy springs jam on all brakes through friction. This is all for a 44 ton HGV, nevermind a 10k ton train hauling fuel!
@needsmetal
@needsmetal Жыл бұрын
One issue is the MMA had no money, illegaling cut every cornor, buying GEs that were prone to fire. Plus the oil, just a wonder it lasted 10 years
@nickluckovitch3288
@nickluckovitch3288 Жыл бұрын
Turns out the siding beside the main line had derails, but it had empty boxcars on it.
@Maine_Railfan
@Maine_Railfan Жыл бұрын
It was a common tie down/ crew change location. But since the track was considered the main line, derails were not installed since it would be easy for a vandal to cut the lock and set the derail, which could derail a west bound train at track speed. Since MMA let the track conditions deteriorate, it took two crews to get the train from Farnham to Jackman, ME. With MMA cutting so many jobs, in later years they would have the crew overnight in a hotel and take the train the rest of the way the following morning. The operator which took over the bankrupt MMA actually invested the money to upgrade the railroad, so trains could do the Jackman-Farnham portion in one shift eliminating the need for the crew change point.
@Maine_Railfan
@Maine_Railfan Жыл бұрын
@@needsmetal the C30's were purchased in the railroad's first year when they still had money. The C30 model requires extensive maintenance but is an extremely reliable locomotive. The unit would have never caught fire, had the block not been repaired with a JB Weld style material that can be purchased at Home Depot.
@shyrabenson9320
@shyrabenson9320 Жыл бұрын
It's a crazy coincidence that this came out so close to the derailment of a train in my state (Ohio) that was carrying hazardous materials
@boopdoop2251
@boopdoop2251 Жыл бұрын
I don’t believe it’s a coincidence that it isn’t getting much attention.
@massari4u
@massari4u 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for posting this documentary. N Scale Train Enthusiast here.
@tammyhollandaise
@tammyhollandaise Жыл бұрын
Something that made the disaster worse than previous crude oil derailments is the quality of North Dakota's oil. Their crude is particularly sweet; it contains far more volatile compounds than normal. All oil tankers up until this point were built to carry less volatile oil and were never upgraded for safety.
@2012TheAndromeda
@2012TheAndromeda Жыл бұрын
I cant imagine the guilt and pain those three felt, especially Harding... You can hear it in his voice that he truly believed he did everything right... I'm grateful to God they were acquitted.
@ElizabethMayo-sf4wg
@ElizabethMayo-sf4wg 5 ай бұрын
Your videos are, sadly, very well done!! Your narration is very good and I appreciated your talking at a rate so I can comprehend all the information!!!
@hrdknx444
@hrdknx444 Жыл бұрын
I spent most of my summers in my youth at our family cottage on the mountain overlooking the town. I remember being in all of the buildings that are now all gone. Literally hits home.
@SWOhioSpeedtesting
@SWOhioSpeedtesting Жыл бұрын
Great video and narration on this. Tragic but I might’ve gone the rest of my life never knowing this happened. RIP to everyone who went through this and prayers to all the families who lost loved ones.
@sirecarrot9124
@sirecarrot9124 Жыл бұрын
I'm from Quebec and I vividly remember when this happened. It was a terrible tragedy and many people here still associate Lac Mégantic with this event.
@YNomadicDusk
@YNomadicDusk Жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting this as it hit hard for many of us Canadians. To this day, if I hear a train in the middle of the night, I remember this tragedy, and hope/pray it will never happen again!
@UxB4D
@UxB4D Жыл бұрын
Being from Quebec and even from a town near Lac Mégantic im "happy" to see that this story isnt forget and their memories wont be forgot and those error commit again.
@ItsLuke350
@ItsLuke350 Жыл бұрын
this video aged real well in only 2 weeks
@stickynorth
@stickynorth Жыл бұрын
Growing up in a railroad town out here in the West this was always my worst fear. And to see it happen to the people of this town is horrifying... Also goes to show you the importance of safety protocols and proper maintenance to this very day and what happens when you cut corners to save a buck...
@tomdragamer
@tomdragamer Жыл бұрын
This accident shows that saving money by only having one person operate a whole train by themselves is a bad idea. Funny that airlines are now discussing the possibility of cost-cutting by having only one pilot fly an entire jet on their own... Can't see how that could go wrong, its not like we have plenty of examples why putting one person in charge is terrible for safety /s
@shadowsinmymind9
@shadowsinmymind9 Жыл бұрын
They can't legally do that though after what happened with that tragic flight where the mentally ill German pilot intentionally crashed the plane full of passengers into the mountains. They now have to have 2 or 3 people in the cockpit at all times. And no self locking doors
@tomdragamer
@tomdragamer Жыл бұрын
@@shadowsinmymind9 Exactly what I was thinking. There’s examples within aviation that pretty much spell it out that one person in the cockpit at a time is terrible, and it better not be a legal loophole they can jump through to make it happen.
@shadowsinmymind9
@shadowsinmymind9 Жыл бұрын
@Fishy excuse me? Who says that kinda crap?
@simonefeaster5131
@simonefeaster5131 8 ай бұрын
My late husband and I went there yearly in the late 90s and early 2000s as part of our annual vacation in Rangeley, Maine. I was horrified to hear of this disaster! People there were so kind and welcoming. I will never forget this disaster..and I was just a vague bystander. My prayers go out to all of the citizens impacted. So sad.
@HippoPete
@HippoPete Жыл бұрын
This is a story I had heard about, but your coverage was much more comprehensive. thank you for your work!
@Straswa
@Straswa Жыл бұрын
RIP to those 47 people and condolences to their loved ones. Typical that the railroad was use those three accused as scapegoats. Glad to hear they were acquitted. Nice vid Dark history.
@stevehill4615
@stevehill4615 Жыл бұрын
I'd heard of this story before but was shocked by the detail in this video that the train was single manned with a vehicle of this size and cargo you would think that it would be mandatory regulation that the train be multi operator as a normal procedure.
@kyleshockley1573
@kyleshockley1573 Жыл бұрын
Good point. I guess that's the cherry on top for all the cost cutting the company was doing at the time.
@dfuher968
@dfuher968 Жыл бұрын
Another poster mentioned in another thread, that Canada actually changed the rules, now requiring a minimum of 2 or 3 personnel to accompany a train. No changes in the US tho.
@MM-fe9mz
@MM-fe9mz Жыл бұрын
And leaving it unattended overnight is just craziness
@jakajakos
@jakajakos Жыл бұрын
@@MM-fe9mz leaving the train unattended is not the issue. The lack of safety measures is the problem (installing auto-stop devices on the engine, installing derailing devices on the rails and improving overall maintenance of trains in general).
@neovo903
@neovo903 Жыл бұрын
I thought there would have been a night shift guard or something, at the very least to stop a runaway train or potencial thieves
@SimplexSM
@SimplexSM Жыл бұрын
I went to Lac-Megantic last summer. It's a beautiful small town. The downtown has been rebuilt and its shocking how it looks like it's been rebuilt atop a warzone. It's kinda weird how everything looks so new (cause it is!)
@johnnobon
@johnnobon Жыл бұрын
I feel like it would be so easy to blame the operator without hearing the full story and his phone calls, when in reality it seems like he was perfectly competent and operating in line with the company's procedures. Pretty scummy that he was used as a scapegoat and really awesome that the people of the town stood by him and the other two guys who got thrown under the bus, despite the unimaginable horror and heartbreak they must have been going through losing so many of their own people.
@ReflectRx4u9809
@ReflectRx4u9809 Жыл бұрын
Well done again. I almost didn’t watch this because I have seen it two other times and yet, the depth and breadth of background is vastly different. There was no mention of air brakes, previous locomotive fires, etc. I am reminded once again why I enjoy your videos; accuracy and complexity of coverage. Thank you for giving reminders on why each little thing we do or don’t do can have consequences at any point in time even if all things remain constant 9 out of 10 times.
@burnyizland
@burnyizland Жыл бұрын
This incident is why when I'm house hunting I'm outright rejecting anything anywhere near a rail line. And to think, I used to live in a high rise that had trains travelling THROUGH my building. Shook the whole building, it was miserable, but never before this did I realize how dangerous it was! Those poor people.
@daviddelossantos6075
@daviddelossantos6075 Жыл бұрын
I used to work at a yard that could house 100+ rail cars. This event has haunted me since I learned of it and I think about it often. It’s absolutely terrifying.
@KnightShooter1
@KnightShooter1 Жыл бұрын
The strange thing is the exact same thing just happened yesterday in Ohio train derailed with toxic materials in it and it blew up and caught a lot of things on fire, people had to be evacuated, even started a wildfire
@S_A_S_H_A_
@S_A_S_H_A_ Жыл бұрын
I almost didn't watch this. This shocked Canada and was unreal seeing it on the news. Still troubles me 10 years later. Thank you for putting this video together.
@sorestedhebytheTumtumtree
@sorestedhebytheTumtumtree Жыл бұрын
When he said only one injured showed up in the hospital I thought good everyone else survived. But then he said 47 were burned beyond recognition.
@ActionZach
@ActionZach Жыл бұрын
Man the phone calls were brutal! I can’t even imagine the feeling Tom had when he found out it was his train.
@Eseseso494
@Eseseso494 Жыл бұрын
Over 40 deaths in a small town like this one? Jesus.
@wrosebrock
@wrosebrock Жыл бұрын
Why mention his name when apparently it doesn't mean anything to you anyway. Odd habit
@LilyKittyCatto
@LilyKittyCatto Жыл бұрын
@@wrosebrock god isnt real
@stevenschnepp576
@stevenschnepp576 Жыл бұрын
@@wrosebrock You ever hear what they say about assuming?
@paskcharron4542
@paskcharron4542 Жыл бұрын
@@wrosebrock It's ok, christinanity is all about forgiveness, why don't you preach what you teach a bit??
@cortanatheai6103
@cortanatheai6103 Жыл бұрын
I remember visiting lac Mégantic in 2018 with my parents. They told me about what happened, and the entire downtown was just a field. I'm happy that they were able to rebuild
@zachg9065
@zachg9065 Жыл бұрын
I feel so sorry for the 3 employees of the rail line and especially the operator of the train. You could hear in his voice that he was very concerned on the calls.
@mud5377
@mud5377 Жыл бұрын
Bless those residents of Lac-Mégantic! They very well could have gone along with what the company had said, and the company very likely hoped that would indeed be the case. I bet it was in no small part due to the people of Lac-Mégantic who didn't fall for the scapegoating of those employees who'd found themselves in such an unfortunate and tragic situation. The world most definitely needs more people willing to go the extra mile to understand the truth behind situations like these because I believe that often times those truly responsible avoid accountability through whatever means they can come up with. Thank you for the great breakdown of events, I hadn't heard of this tragedy before. I hope the lessons learned here lead to better safety protocols so such a situation won't be likely to occur again!
@johnnyssss8830
@johnnyssss8830 Жыл бұрын
I was camping in the south point of Lac Megantic lake the night of the accident with some friends. At one point we looked up and the sky was orange we thought at first that it was a forest fire. We decided to take a walk to the docks at the lake which was a 5-minute walk. It was there that in the distance we could see the town burning. And then we saw the mushroom cloud and the realization came over all of us that this was big and people for sure were dead. And then another mushroom cloud explosion and another. There was no big industry in Megantic and the closest thing I could think of was a lumber mill on fire. Never in my imagination at that time would I have thought it to be a train. The next morning we drove up to Mount Megantic and in the distance, smoke still billowed up towards the sky from the city center that was no more. Still sends shivers through my spine knowing how many people at that moment I was there were dead.
@therealdohos2607
@therealdohos2607 Жыл бұрын
man youre one of the few ppl in usa to cover any topic about incidents in quebec properly ...cheers for that
@c.y.a.n
@c.y.a.n Жыл бұрын
I live in Lac-Megantic and I want to thank you for the light you have put on the accident. I never really thought about looking at the detail of the tragedy but it is interesting
@alloworldmac2455
@alloworldmac2455 Жыл бұрын
I was there 2 weeks ago just to visit the region around Lac-Mégantic. Even 10 years later, you can feel that atmosphere that something bad happened. There is this empty area in the downtown that makes it feel so weird...
@andywagnac5255
@andywagnac5255 Жыл бұрын
This is video hits different with the train derailment in East Palestine, Ohio
@techguy3236
@techguy3236 Жыл бұрын
It sounds like the train company wanted to throw their employees under the bus by blaming the entire accident on them.
@sarameierhofer3887
@sarameierhofer3887 Жыл бұрын
I've always been told to never expect the company you work for to protect you if something happens. Money is one hell of a motivator.
@blaisebaileyfinnegan
@blaisebaileyfinnegan Жыл бұрын
Disappointed to find that fiend Ed Burkhardt is not currently roasting in Hell but is still busily promoting rail privatization as CEO and President of Rail World. His press scrum at the disaster site remains one for the record books in terms of sheer chutzpah and gall displayed.
@critical_always
@critical_always Жыл бұрын
That's because they did it.
@ammoniacloudz34
@ammoniacloudz34 Жыл бұрын
I remember seeing when the story broke, I was with my godmother whom had spent a lot of time in Lac Megantic amd knew a few of the victims personally. I'll never forget that day, it was heartbreaking.
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