[GL][T-328] EMD vs GE: SD70ACe vs ES44AC (Part 2)

[@bobbymoses5317]

EMD fan here! I really like that boxed nose on the front of the SD70ACe. Anytime I come across an old standard cab GP model it always gets my full attention. I miss the railroads of the 80's

[@kens.3729]

Thanks to Army Sergeant Rob for your Sponsorship of this Video but also for your Strong 💪 Dedication to Serve the United States of America. 🇺🇸👍

[@Rob-tr1st]

You are more than welcome.

[@BloodyPandaAE86]

i love the deep rumbly growl & low rpm turbo whistle of an EMD engine 👍🏻💪🏻

[@Trains21]

Me too.

[@ZombieSlayer-dj3wb]

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[@Rob-tr1st]

Thank you AC for the sponsorship of this video. You know how bad I have been waiting for this to drop! So again thank you my friend, and to all the viewers and subs your welcome, no need to thank me for my service, I was just doing what I loved to do. Please if you enjoy AC's video's then like, comment and subscribe in that order and please donate to his PayPal whatever you can! This is bar none the best trains information channel on the tube. Again thank you AC and damn it I love those Emd's.

[@Trains21]

What more can I say.

[@davidwilliams26]

Thank you for your service from a tired old SEABEE

[@ahmadclemons4963]

It always warms my heart to see EMD's on the point!! Gp30 is my favorite although they are rare!

[@ih1440]

As a railfan, I love EMD's. Our GP39-2R's rebuilt from GP30's are my favorite, and I love the spartan cab 60 and 70 series EMDs too. I'd like to see those GP30 carbody units receive yet another lease on life with a microprocessor control system like EM2000 or QES, and CCB26 electronic air brakes. Heck, even the ACes grew on me after a few years of working with them. That being said - As a mechanical employee, I prefer GE/Wabtec - there is one thing that gives them the cutting edge, and that is the much better quantity of technical support than Progress rail provides. I also love how they sound in notch 8. The "computer issues" you describe happen both on EMDs and GEs, no matter if they are FIRE or ICE screens on EMDs, or IFD or SDIS screens on GEs, and a hard reboot with the knife switch pulled is almost always one of the things to try to get any computerized locomotive behave right.

[@donstor1]

You did it again AC. Documentary style report with facts and figures to boot. Great job and it was fun and educational to watch.

[@Trains21]

Thanks Don, I'm glad to see that you're still along for the ride.

[@alexrobison19]

I wish all these people saying how nice the 70 series locomotives are could spend 12 hours in one haha. Loved that you mentioned our SD59s it’s been my favorite locomotive to run for a few years now. Great video.

[@nstrainfanyt]

I'm a fan for EMD. At least they dont all look the same like GE

[@stephenbroughman3231]

Railroads don’t care about how they look, only how they perform. In actuality, they look very much like the same locomotives until you get up close.

[@SocialistDistancing]

That's A very informative video and a few good quotes in there. I used to be able to tell you what every locomotive was at a glance, until the late 80s. I stopped paying close attention and now they all look the same. Now, I'd have to see the markings under the unit number. However, I always liked the EMDs.

[@iusetano]

I wonder how much wining and dining manufactures had to do to get sales from the railroads. LOL. Fantastic video AC. Lots to consider when buying.

[@Trains21]

Thanks Hans, you're so right.

[@stephenbroughman3231]

Business decisions, with the magnitude of locomotive costs, are not made on wining and dining, but on cost, efficiency, quality, ease of maintenance, and many other factors. It is obvious that GE presented a better quality product and service. That is why they captured 70% market share. If Progress rail can come up with the same, they will do better.

[@timmyfrierson2684]

GE for sure, because they are the workhorse of the railroad they will out pull a EMD all day long

[@jeffreycole9834]

I am more of an EMD fan also. A big part of the reason is that Jeffrey Immelt of GE took $ millions in a redevelopment grant about 30 years ago, and instead of upgrading the factory, Immelt shut down the plant and spent the money on something entirely different. Hundreds lost their jobs since the grant wasn't spent on it's intended purpose. Add to that, It is my opinion that EMD loco's are more aesthetically pleasing to the eye. I also like the way the EMD's are designed and engineered. That is my opinion of them.

[@RailfanNetwork]

Most engineers just signal to me that I am number one.....at least I think that's what that finger means. 😊

[@Trains21]

Of course that's what it means! Haha!

[@nstrainfanyt]

I remember seeing tons of stored Sd70m-2s in Thomaston, GA in January of 2022. There were loads of them and even some old ns gp59s were there. Aside from that, the rest were prlx kcs sd70maces.

[@ZombieSlayer-dj3wb]

Long live the mighty 2 stroke , give or take ges can last 30 yrs but anything before the sd70ace can last twice as longer

[@railfanmcneal2527]

My dad told me he like working with EMD locomotives then GE locomotives. Especially in show speeds and heavy duty also switching duty. And they respond quicker then GE locomotives, and not as show moving when doing switching duty.

[@TheAustinSubRailfan]

I’m definitely a GE fan! GE Genesis-P40DC, P42DC and P32AC-DM for life!

[@THE_IRON_HORSE]

Passenger foaming ahh 😂

[@calvingrondahl1011]

I see mostly GE in Union Pacific’s Weber Canyon east of Ogden, Utah.

[@tomcat428cj]

GE Dash 9's had the best reliability, most days pulling freight between shopping trips, NS converted a bunch on Dash 9 DC locomotives to AC locomotives.

[@mr.narwhalsgaming8240]

As a conductor for ns. I prefer ge, typically they have a full desk on my side so I prefer it.

[@mudenio5838]

ns GEs have half a desk where you can kick your feet up its the emds that have a full desk

[@tedferguson4082]

Trucks under the sd70 series are ruff riding

[@93greenstrat]

From one account I've read, EMD's own hubris left the door wide open for GE to woo customers with better customer service. They took the time to listen to what the railroads were asking.

[@Trains21]

I could believe that.

[@htssoutboardsboatstrains9784]

This video is an instant classic

[@MichaelN12]

The SD70M-2’s aren’t really all that great for the crews. While it’s a novelty to see them as railfans, a lot of crews don’t like them because half of them on CN and most if not all on NS were thundercabs. Not to mention all the confusing computers and electronics on board that fail a lot (at least on mountains with their sanders) and some are getting a little old and some are starting to blow a lot more smoke. The ACe is really the way to go in most situations, when they have a whisper cab at least.

[@sernajrlouis]

I'm biased. I love EMD's. Lol

[@TNandTXRailfan]

Agreed

[@Pensyfan19]

Great video! I assume most of the stored SD70Ms and ACes are due to their unreliability when compared to GE, and PSR related operations preferring GE over EMDs?

[@Rob-tr1st]

Also just wanna say that shot of 11Z before the pan out of the wide shot was some superb videography. Hopefully my new pixel 6 will take photos and videos in 4k and great quality

[@Trains21]

Cool! Can't wait to see what you shoot with it.

[@Waltervazquez599]

Excellent capture my friend like and Greetings from Argentina !!

[@jonym45]

I think that the SD 70ACe is a nicer locomotive that looks like a bull!!!

[@Trains21]

I like how they look from up above.

[@stephenbroughman3231]

The GE’s look sleeker and don’t look like they have a bulldog nose.

[@RonStanek]

You're right, I call the SD7OACe's, Brahma Bulls. They definitely have the look and win out on the sound. Now, if CAT/EMD can tie everything else back together again? Alittle competition never hurts. GE has stepped up. From what I've heard, their older units, u-boats, where garbage. Will EMD/CAT/Progressive take the Bulls by the horn? Or will Wabtec/GE win the bull fight? 🤔 Gored or Olé?

[@alcopower5710]

I think I’m kind of partial to EMD but obviously miss Alcos.

[@Trains21]

Understood.

[@detroitdieselseries5071]

I always wonder why GE never got to sell their locomotives in Europe where they could offer their financing deals there

[@Rob-tr1st]

Aside from the 80mac I think the 70M dash 2 is the best looking loco the railroad has ever had. Never been a fan of the F units or steam etc. Something about that 710G that just makes me giddy.

[@Trains21]

Yeah, I miss those fine, fine ladies called the 80s. They're a very close second to my first love. The SD40 series.

[@Rob-tr1st]

@@Trains21 man like I said before I'm only 36 and from all the times I remember my pops taking me trackside, I never can recall seeing an 80mac. That's one loco I'd give anything to see aside from the OG warbonnet.

[@Trains21]

@@Rob-tr1st I guess I'm lucky then, I've seen them both.. And got to sit at the controls of a Warbonnet.

[@Rob-tr1st]

@@Trains21 well hell yeah mean you're beyond lucky and blessed!!

[@fatlarry1184]

AC, sounds like you're giving CAT a bit more credit than I think they can handle. You and I know how they bailed out of the truck engine market ( fondly remembering that four and a quarter 1693TA) 😉 and the CAT Truck brand went nowhere. Hope you're right though.

[@Trains21]

Yeah, I know. But dreamin' is fun while we can.

[@SMichaelDeHart]

Where is part 1?? I looked back 1 year and couldn't find it.

[@joshostrowski8411]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZeXenerl7Bqbas here is part 1! from 5 months ago

[@SMichaelDeHart]

@@joshostrowski8411 thanks much!!

[@CSX_Doolittle]

There’s a CSX AC44CW in the thumbnail not a ES44AC

[@Trains21]

I liked that picture better than the GEVO.

[@franks471]

EMD had a long track record of having a great product, introduce one bad model and seems like everyone drops them. Guitar makers consistently make thousands of electric guitars every year that don't stay in tune, ppl praise them and pay really obscene money for 'collectable' examples. the world makes so much sense to me right now.....

[@raycross1783]

I couldn't hear the engine sounds..........................

[@jaygeist6582]

You or so right

[@atsf4life183]

I’m a GE fan🙂

[@jakescharfstein6352]

I’m with you

[@TheAustinSubRailfan]

I also personally like GE’s more.

[@CSX_Doolittle]

I would say the ES44AC is better but the SD70ACE isn’t a bad locomotive

[@michaelmcdougall4527]

Being track side Railfaning for years, I have Heard from the crews the GE cabs are the most comfortable ! A. Great 👍🏻 Video thanks AC

[@Rob-tr1st]

EMD ALL THE WAY!!

[@Trains21]

YOU KNOW IT!!

[@Rob-tr1st]

@@Trains21 That whine baby is music to any EMD lovers ears.

[@Trains21]

@@Rob-tr1st Especially mine!

[@Rob-tr1st]

@@Trains21 I understand bro, mine too! Check your p.pal

[@Trains21]

@@Rob-tr1st What am I going to do with you.. Besides make you the sponsor of another video! Thanks so much!

[@bellaxxi4116]

There’s a reason CSX sold all the SD70ACes they had.

[@THE_IRON_HORSE]

EMD FOR THE WIN BRUH 😂 with EMD you can do such more it seems, there many more rebuilts, you can make like 6 vareints of 1 locomotive type, like with the standers ACE you got the M-2, IAC, ACS, ACE-BB, T4 ACe ECT, EMD engines like you said do last longer, while GE engines are very tough, GE are built a lil more cheap that's why the dash 8-9 where consistly burning up, many more reasons, on the other hand GE locomotive are very good for DP survice, they have very well made locos like the GE genesis or es44 bla bla 😂 there so many reason, butt 🍑 both locomotives do have safe cabs, good truck design, air intakes pretty good, even though I think EMD locomotive are more costomizible, both EMD and GE have really good rebuilts in mind, kinda just depends on what you look for in a locomotive, either way both compines have came really far in my eyes 👀

[@spacecalander]

GEs AC power will always be better. Evident by the miles of 70MACs parked or scrapped by BNSF. If they were good we would see them and not the ES44ACs. DC power, the EMD 645 all day.

[@UnionCountyPhotography]

Gevo is best

[@moviewatcher1239]

I say that GE is the best I've heard about general electric a lot lately I just don't know where they're based in

[@stephenbroughman3231]

GE is no longer the owner of the locomotive engine business…it is now Wabtec. They are based in TX with mfg. plants in TX and PA.

[@moviewatcher1239]

@@stephenbroughman3231 aw man

[@ronart3468]

i see no hard facts. just opinion

[@UnionCountyPhotography]

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