Tramazzoni and molinetti

[@federicosuarez9198]

Hi Ilkka, Is it possible to do them in the same way but with a two handed sword? I mean, the tramazzone from the inside line and molinello from the outside line. Greetings from Argentina.

[@ilkkaouto]

It is possible, yes, though the there is some evidence that the terminology might be somewhat different specifically with the two-handed sword. But the actions themselves, you can practice them similarly with the two-handed sword and they are definitely used in the style.

[@Prospro8]

An easy way to think of the Tramazzone is that, if you're right-handed then the sword movement from YOUR perspective is clockwise, whilst a molinetto is anti-clockwise. Of course, if you're left-handed then it's reversed.

[@ganmiko]

Sorry, but I didn't understand yet, why are you bent the elbow when doing tramazzone outside of the sword arm (tramazzone di fuori della mano della spada, as somewhere the Maestri calls it)? Month ago I tried to cut some shrubs with tramazzoni, with sharp sword, and was clearly seen that only the tramazzone done with the straight elbow can really cut through it easily, as good as powerfull mandritto from g. alta to some lower left guardia, even if tramazzone is done from g. di faccia. But ones with elbow bent are very much slower and weaker. I mean the naturalness of strike or movement is not the best criterion in that unnatural rational art...

[@ilkkaouto]

Well, sure they can be done without bending the elbow, but I find them much easier to perform while letting the elbow bend - in comparison to the inside cut where he execution of the cut just from the wrist is very easy. Much of it depends on the exact position of the hand and so on... Certainly it is OK to perform the molinetti from the wrist only as well.

[@ganmiko]

Ilkka Hartikainen easier, yes, but if we mean exercice, when we do elbow bending, we have wrist joint and pronators untrained...

[@ilkkaouto]

Gennady Miroshnichenko Sure thing, I have absolutely nothing against practicing it that way. I simply have a feeling it is supposed to be done with the bending of the elbow, but as an exercise it would be good. Best would be to practice both. :)