Trans Activists: Time to Say SORRY - Andrew Gold

[@c.karnstein3299]

Hint: Narcissists will never apologise

[@Casseopeia777]

This is true. They are NEVER wrong.

[@unowen-nh9ov]

TRUE! & now non-binary want to redefine binary, father of 1 "more woman" than mother of 3, infinite dysphoria.

[@InterstellarDreams]

True. And I think a lot of narcissists are attracted to this ideology. I even remember there being sources showing higher rates of narcissism in the trans identifying population than in the standard population. Plus I suspect there are also higher rates of narcissism amongst the super hyper woke, overall. Then again, though..? I don’t think ALL TRAs, or woke people, or members of other cults, are narcissists. Some are also sincere believers, who have indoctrinated and empathy hijacked! Who sincerely don’t understand the perspective of non-believers and apostates, because the ideology itself paints them out to be HORRIBLE people, that you should never listen to. And people like that..? CAN wake up! But they also have TONS of inbuilt defense mechanisms, installed by the ideology itself, that protects it! So breaking free of it is HARD! And also, NOT done overnight! I really liked the “Seduced” documentary, made by India Oxenberg, about the NXIVM cult, and her involvement in it! Because I think she, too, was exactly this kind of person. A true believer, and not a narcissist! (The Vow is awesome too, btw.) And I was the same thing, personally, with gender ideology. So I know it exists. And some sincere believers CAN be woken up! But others can’t. And I think it can often be hard to know which is which. Plus not necessarily worth the effort, in the grand scheme of things. If it is someone that you really love, though..? That could make it worth it, for YOU. :)

[@SheridanM-dc1nk]

Narcs live in a fantasy world

[@Englandforever11]

They are not narcissists. They are misogynists, incel, fetish boys. A narcissist will never do anything in public that will make them look bad.

[@Dantegrey1]

My brother is pretty woke. He will laugh when I point out that it is a totalitarian and bullying movement. I kind of got him the other day. I have told him, what his "side" has been doing to Rowling. He agrees that it is wrong, even if he disagrees with her. My question then, were: "Will you write on your social media, where you very often write your political musings, that Rowling is being treated terribly"? He kept making excuses like "there are much more important causes", and "why spend too much time defending a rich Jet Setter..?" and those kindsof deflections. I asked him, if he would write it for my sake, as we are very close, and there isn't actually much, we wouldn't do for each other. I asked him if he would write it to prove to me that his side ISN’T totalitarian and bullying. He refused and laughed it off, but I could see his realisation and fear. I could see it there, right behind the grins and chuckles. It felt really good, even if I love my brother. Perhaps there us hope for him yet, somehow.

[@rongike]

if you have no belief in gender as a social construct and believe men and women should be able to behave and dress themselves however they want (within healthy decent reason ofc), then none of them NONE OF THEM can withstand your logic. their whole ideology depends on some very conservative nonsense while claiming to be liberal, so it's really easy to crack.

[@Catherine.Dorian.]

Try to get him to have his testosterone checked, 20 year olds have been having the levels of the average 70 year olds. Or show him videos of women saying how liberal men aren’t attractive

[@terrorists-are-among-us]

He's desperate to feel powerful like all bullies 🤯

[@Dantegrey1]

@@Catherine.Dorian. He is a geek in his fifties with adult kids like I am. None of us cares about any of that.

[@L_Martin]

I appreciate and agree with your point. At the same time it is even painful to go against certain people within THIS movement (anti gender) and it can be hard to say “I disagree with you, you are doing something damaging.” Why is it difficult? Not just because I don’t want blowback from my new tribe, but it’s more like I do not want weakness to show to the TRAs. I realise the flaw in this thinking, but it’s there nonetheless.

[@jyyyb]

Those who believe they are morally superior never apologise

[@ravens-crypt]

But with that mindset then they are not going to grow in a positive manner but in a negative manner. But they would possibly interpret it as a positive .

[@notyourordinarygran]

​@@ravens-cryptthey don't care..they are superior.

[@zephyr139]

Most people think they are morally superior in some way or another. Nobody thinks something believing it is evil and morally reprehensible.

[@jyyyb]

@@ravens-crypt exactly

[@markshepperson3603]

It’s not about morals, it’s about ideology.

[@clemdane]

They won't ever apologize. They'll pretend they never did it.

[@AlexAnder-rv1gu]

and once you've told yourself something, that becomes reality in your own mind over time.

[@fall174fps]

It's already happening. Barclays Bank blacklisted Mumsnet when they bank entered a partnership with Mermaids. The reason given was that "Barclays do not believe Mumsnet are supportive of the transgender and non binary community". Now it's like that partnership never existed; the bank has scrubbed, memory holed if you will, any mention of Mermaids from its website. Other corporate entities are doing the same as they realise that any mention at all, never mind actual support, of a contentious ideology is unlikely to drop any dollars to their bottom line. The Bud Light disaster was quite a shock to the type of arrogant narcissist who thought they could call their own customers bigots and get away with it. Billions of dollars in losses and the destruction of an entire brand says they couldn't.

[@fall174fps]

Barclays Bank and Mermaids. An association that never happened.

[@leont7956]

JK Rowling started out speaking in the calmest most moderate sounding way possible, being that the word women shouldn't be erased and the concept of sex shouldn't be obscured, she got absolutely torn apart for it. Transactivists and their allies repeatedly insisted no one is denying sex exists but they replace it with gender identity at every opportunity they get. and of course now she's got a bit more brash because she knows at this point they'll never like her, she's also never mentioned autogynephilia, which I don't blame her for, as it is completely possible to debunk their ideology without mentioning that autogynephilia plays a big role (it does) Overall I think it's great to have a woman as accomplished and reasonable sounding (even though I've definitely had political differences with JK) because society will look back at the way she was treated for speaking simple truths

[@leont7956]

(continued) with complete confusion

[@Jueyes-vg2gb]

I know, right. Really we should just demand all sports leagues and other women and male related things are based upon chromosomes, oh you claim you are a women, lets let the chromosome speak, and its saying you are a dick

[@panzer00]

They're normalizing a fetish while indoctrinating anyone they can so that it becomes a cultural phenomenon.

[@Phoneybeetlemaniacxs]

Autogynophilia isn’t real it’s made up the methodology would mean most humans are Autogynophilics All I want is equality where’s people can use the bathroom are the safest and we deal with actual issues facing women around sa and stuff like thst but if we did that they be told to shut up

[@captaincrash9286]

@@leont7956 FYI, if you want to edit an existing post, click on the three dots next to it and select 'edit'.

[@steelcrown7130]

Well said, and I am sure you are aware of the C S Lewis quote. "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive ... those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."

[@drhughjarse8573]

The more left you look on the political spectrum, the more accurate this quote becomes.

[@3rdEyeWide]

'If Fascism Ever Comes to America, It Will Come in the Name of Liberalism' - Ronald Reagan

[@0therM0ther.01]

@@3rdEyeWide That isn't a real quote and it is a reversal of a quote by Sinclair Lewis: "“When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross” THIS WAS EASY TO FIND.

[@carpepoulet4943]

damn good quote

[@jennifermarlow.]

We call it "The Big Lie".

[@honey3762]

"I never agreed with it" "I always thought it was weird" "I always though the surgeries and HRT was going too far" That's exactly what we're going to hear

[@drhughjarse8573]

Agreed. A lot of 'Mistakes were made (but not by me)'.

[@davidgavin7280]

Will we f***. The maddest jibjab super enthusiast full fat covidiots still run around catching cooooffvvid every 5 minutes after jibjab number blah blah

[@okcoolbro3]

Ya, a lot of "I didn't know that was happening" , "I was misinformed or lied too". A lot of pretending it never happened. I'm already seen that in several things the last couple of years. A lot of gaslighting.

[@kimberlyf4888]

I don't need to have these people own up to the things they've done, I just want them to be stopped. That will be justice enough.

[@austinjt4264]

Justice is for when you admit you're wrong and doing something to compensate your actions. Stopping is just an admittance of defeat. Once they bored enough with life... They will create something anew and bother us again.... Ahhhhem... the Capital "B" people... First they want Equal Rights. Then they want your schools. Then your jobs. Then your houses... Now you're money too. I've watch a meeting where hundreds of them said if White People have more than one house or having an empty house... It should be given Freely to B people. R0bbing Walmart & Target... It's not a crime anymore but a neverending reparations 😂😂😂. That's what you get... A society filled with criminals who identified as Victims. That's what happens when no one beings held accountable for the shitty things they've done. Unless people face the consequences of their bad choices... They will never learned. If you don't learned to be human... You will always be an animal. That's what sets us apart from animals... We learned, we grew... We adapt and we changed for the better once we learned our old ways were wronged.... that's why we don't burn women with bad hair like they do in the old days during Salem Witch trail.

[@NisGaarde]

_“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”_ Carl Sagan in The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark

[@bunille]

Reminds me of abortionists. You can literally tell them all of the Homo sapiens evidence and they still don't care, may even admit it's a human but they'll do it anyway.

[@NisGaarde]

@@bunille That's not what this quote is about. In the slightest.

[@panzer00]

​​​​​​@@NisGaardewhy cant it be about abortion? The concept presented in the quote can be applied to the pro-choice agenda. Why did you use that quote in this context but he can't use it in that context? What is the original quote about in the first place? Are you misappropiating the quote to confirm your own bias? I'm just questioning your logic. The quote makes sense in many different contexts.

[@BrObstreperous]

@NisGaarde René Girard was right: Human sacrifice is the hallmark of "the demon-haunted world," but doesn't disappear under techno-barbarism masquerading as "science." Uterine refugees NOT welcome!

[@NisGaarde]

@@panzer00 The point of the quote is to remain detached from an agenda or narrative. Science is not about picking a side because of how it makes you feel. It's not about morality or emotions, not about personal beliefs or values. It's about what is objectively true, to the best of our current understanding. And acknowledging that new evidence may overturn that understanding as it presents itself. Many people have a hard time with this. _"Last month you told us to do X, now you're saying we need to do Y! Make up your minds!"_ This is basic scientific illiteracy. Science is about remaining agile to the best available evidence. And not get bamboozled by things we'd like to be a certain way. Remove ego and emotions from the equation as much as possible. That is the challenge for all of us.

[@AProudDad]

The activism destroyed half my family. I won't be forgetting or being quiet about it anytime soon.

[@colinrobson1969]

Destroyed my family too. Gave me a mental breakdown in the process, I won't be forgetting any time soon either

[@jamesdellaneve9005]

I am sorry for your loss.

[@okcoolbro3]

Ya I wouldn't let people gaslight you into forgetting

[@planetclay]

so brave!!!! BRAVO JKRowling!!!

[@justsome-guy7596]

... and I'm very impressed by the courage that Andrew is demonstrating here too. Even showing a modest degree of sober reflection and analysis of this subject matter, is risking horrendous backlash. Andrew - stay strong!

[@planetclay]

@@justsome-guy7596 oh yes....so brave!!!! BRAVO Andrew Gold!!!!!!

[@mallorieryan9573]

I never demand or expect apologies, but here's the thing. Unless a person who has wronged another (or others) volunteers / offers a sincere apology, they can never be trusted again due to their lack of personal integrity and accountability.

[@michaelhoudecki3657]

Very true

[@tripleyoker2049]

💯

[@dcollins4679]

A sincere apology is too little too late when the damage has been done to children, vulnerable adults and women.

[@patmanchester8045]

AMEN! when did admitting you were wrong become cowardly?

[@michaelhoudecki3657]

@@patmanchester8045 It's not. They see apologizing as weakness and they're all about power. It's pathetic, really

[@banedon8087]

With the exception of a few, we will never get an apology for any of the terrible mistakes, errors, and malignancies of the last decade - those in the wrong will simply go quiet. It's unjust but it is very much human nature.

[@domm6812]

And thus, in a way people never really learn from their mistakes because they discover there's no consequence. They find they can keep making terrible decisions without properly considering the consequences to others and face very little long term consequence themselves. It always reminds me of politicians ...there are so many who have destroyed the lives of others through corrupt, greedy, self serving or stupid actions. They should be forever shamed for it, or in worse cases jailed. They never are ...and nothing changes.

[@deahmcneill3240]

It's not a true apology unless you take ownership of the behaviour. When you are certain, the offender fully grasps what is involved and is moved by that knowledge an apology will be accepted. To say I'm sorry/I am a victim, is pointless.

[@Monkey-fv2km]

Some will learn, some will seek to keep quiet the fact that they were on the "losing side", but most are just social sheep going with the flow of their clique and won't even think about it. Obviously some will also maintain the ideology, but these will be a tiny minority of a minority.

[@dcollins4679]

It's getting worse and ain't going to stop anytime soon.

[@bishbashbosh999]

Their argument is no longer about equality, its now about superiority.

[@rclooper2843]

There will be no apology. There will be some sheepishness from the ones with a conscience and a whole heap of gaslighting from the rest.

[@Morbazan125]

Children are exposed to far too many adult concepts they don’t understand from far too early in life and I’m not just singling any one topic out it’s all of it.

[@dcollins4679]

Most adults don't understand the implications of gender identity politics.

[@AnneTeahan]

I’d like big pharma to be sued or held accountable. But I learned today the reason their drugs have not been licensed for the chemical castration of children, is that they cannot be sued if a drug is prescribed ‘off licence’. The next hope is that the surgeons and endocrinologists who have done such harm, might be on the receiving end of retribution in court and in reputation. Especially if they have no regrets - it would at least deter others from harming children. As for the MSM who have encouraged the practice, by either avoiding reporting it (when will BBC report on the WPATH files) or encouraging children to dislike their healthy bodies… perhaps they are just waiting for everyone to forget.

[@billyhotrocks]

Great work Andrew👍🏻

[@Zero41sv]

This is an interesting question. I dont typically believe in 'rubbing it in' or flogging a surrendered opponent. Repairing the dangerously large divides in our society is very important. But. But.. this demonstrably harmful ideology has done untold damage to impressionsble young people, the careers of medical and scientific professionals who objected, the careers of a great many others, the fabric of our society and the integrity of our academic and governmental institutions. That's dangerous enough to warrant some form of recognition.

[@oggyoggy1299]

Okay

[@charlesbruneski9670]

Even when they can be forgiven, they should not hold power again. Their decision making is dangerously, harmful, evilly flawed.

[@kmrk4055]

I hear what you're saying and I agree with the sentiment but surrendered isn't the same as defeated. You can surrender but still believe your own BS and live to fight another day. These lunatics need to be utterly defeated such that they totally understand how wrong they were and once that happens there is no need to rub their noses in their defeat because they have mentally moved.

[@jkkjeldsen8249]

I wouldn't hold my breath.

[@tmc7903]

I protested against the UK having nuclear weapons. Now I'm a grown up (and a parent) I realise how important it is that we have them and just hope we never use them. I had a really interesting conversation recently about subcultures and how they used to be driven by music (I was a grunge/metalhead in my youth). Now subcultures are driven by social media and gender is the 'thing'.

[@austinjt4264]

Good you woke up... People in the west rarely do... That's why it really amaze me on how the W.Government is capable of brainwashing an entire Western Civilization on such a large scale. Take China for example... To try to explain The Real Amazing China to the west is like playing the flute to a cow, an absolute waste of time. I used to wonder why China Government does come up with something to combat US on their Anti-China rhetorics but now I know why.... It's a waste of time & resources. But China is now open to the west and have a Passport Free Program to which they are called "Foreigner Enlightenment Program". 😂😂😂.

[@eldictator1]

Good point. Each subculture had their cause, the Tik Tok generation has gender and race. Hyper sensitive, hyper reactive, no middle ground

[@Bjorn_R]

I saw a woman from CIA talking about her experiences with criminals and terrorist years ago. *"We are all the heroes in our own stories"* She said, and it has stuck with me ever since. No matter how cruel the action... peoples minds find a way to justify it.

[@_tgreg1]

Good on her! Legend! On the right side of history too.

[@Gingerblaze]

Appreciate your mentioning the film "The Remains of the Day".

[@lonewolf8667]

I need to watch that again. Last time I watched it I was way too young to properly understand it.

[@ixlnxs]

Great movie but I'm glad I read the book first. The book is so much more than the film

[@kevinwhelan9607]

They are utterly shameless and have zero humility. That's scary. Greta Thunberg is a classic example of this, and the trans' "community is jammed with them, all feeding off their utter certainty. Scary. Very scary. Why the media give them so much attention will have to remain a mystery for now.

[@michaelhoudecki3657]

It's no mystery. Enemy!

[@Gullvivas]

Greta Thunberg are not shamless,she is pissed at ignorant people! who deny climate change exist -and power men who dont bother about their grandchildrens future! Dont compare her to trans cult/community.

[@grahamcole1539]

Many of them support the terrorists Hamas and their sick death cult Religion too

[@itsallgood8347]

Greta has already deleted a Tweet about the world ending. The world is still turning, and she is still talking.

[@chillwinston8961]

Rudolf Hoss did show regret. He stated before he died “My conscience compels me to make the following declaration. In the solitude of my prison cell, I have come to the bitter recognition that I have sinned gravely against humanity. As Commandant of Auschwitz, I was responsible for carrying out part of the cruel plans of the 'Third Reich' for human destruction. In so doing I have inflicted terrible wounds on humanity.”

[@suzanneja710]

Many believe that his contrition was superficial and skin deep. It’s hard to believe that anyone who reached the depths of depravity that he did, can resurrect enough of their humanity to have genuine feelings of remorse. It is more likely that he said what he said out of self interest, in order to minimise the judgement he would receive.

[@juneelle370]

@@suzanneja710 we know we are in ego when we don’t want those who are lost (and do great harm to themselves &/or others) to return to Love, to their original good… to return before poisoning lies infected their spirit. When we try to “other” (monster/non-human them) and inflict shame (in the sense of saying the bad came from their core and that core was always there and they can’t escape it), then we participate:create a humanity that is shame-based-not growth oriented. Shame-based people cannot introspect, for fear of what they will find-for any error they find they will consider permanent rather than fixable. They will be quick to judging others in a shame-based way - forever projecting blame onto others to avoid internal shame. Being in love or ego (superiority) isn’t set it and forget it- it’s a daily practice/inquiry. When people are in the spirit of Love, they can judge their own thoughts and actions and correct them…. and the more we can do that, the more we can prevent making the worst kinds of mistakes-like getting into tribal ideologies that are founded in selective sociopathy.

[@suzanneja710]

@@juneelle370 If someone professes to not believe in the sorrowful expressions of a sadist and mass murderer, this doesn’t mean they don’t wish for that person to find redemption. How did you conflate those 2 things?

[@rdm3373]

​@@suzanneja710 Nazi apologists have amazing mental gymnastics

[@juneelle370]

@@suzanneja710 of course we can’t trust, we can’t release horrific criminals from prison. But IMO we do have to believe it’s possible for someone (and a large part of a nation) to reach the depths of depravity and find their way out of it and want them to do it-hope that in their heart it’s true even if on an individual level we can’t and shouldn’t trust it … because if we “other” these parts of humanity (monster them-deny they are human) we deny/fail to look for wrongs within ourselves. And what happens to people/nations who deny the wrongs within themselves? What happens to people/nations who only see the wrongs in others? They eventually become the “monster” themselves and cannot see it.

[@TheRisky9]

JK Rowling isn't who they need to be apologizing too. It's the kids that they pressured to transition that they need to be apologizing to.

[@domm6812]

It's entirely possible it should be both

[@Phoneybeetlemaniacxs]

No is forcing kids to transition you di know in the U.K. it takes people up to 2 year to get an appointment

[@Susanrogers-pt9mf6hx1w]

Wouldn’t it be both?

[@deahmcneill3240]

Both, I should think.

[@TheRisky9]

@@Phoneybeetlemaniacxs Tell that to all the kids who were pressured to transition... Oh lemme guess. They were lying.

[@ThePhobos100]

Nor will Daniel Radcliffe or Emma will appologise.

[@michaelhoudecki3657]

What'd they do specifically? I don't doubt they did things wrong lol, I'm just wondering

[@ThePhobos100]

@@michaelhoudecki3657 Basically threw her under the bus and they dare not try to defend her, so in a way they are cowards. It was JK Rowling that boosted their fame.

[@drhughjarse8573]

Handmaidens both.

[@michaelhoudecki3657]

@@ThePhobos100 Thanks

[@facthunt2facthunt245]

They've never once insulted her. They simply have different opinions to her. That's allowed, isn't it?

[@audrareed5954]

The greatest gift one can give oneself is learning to move on without requiring apologies. Insincere apologies are worse than no apology. Actions speak louder than words.

[@rongike]

I find that once true understanding is reached, apologies serve no more purpose.

[@CodexIndia1]

Over 40% of them have regrets.

[@michaelhoudecki3657]

Give it time,

[@juliesheard2122]

So far.... how many in 20 years?

[@ipercalisse579]

Yes... in 2020 it exploded, now 3 years later the shit is coming to surface

[@austinjt4264]

Over 90% actually. But half many didn't speak out due to shame. And the other half off themselves before they could told their stories. 😢.

[@amandamantz]

As Helen Joyce wisely predicts, the ones who will never be able to admit their mistake are those who sacrificed their children to the cause.

[@InterstellarDreams]

Two things I don’t think should have to be mutually exclusive: admitting that you were wrong, and that you were INDOCTRINATED, (into whatever cult or manipulative ideology you fell for, be it gender ideology, or something different), AND still apologize to the people that you hurt because of it!!! I was a sincere gender ideology believer, who got brainwashed as a vulnerable teenager, and it’s been hard to accept that I used to support completely immoral things, like puberty blocking healthy children, because my moral compass had been ideologically hijacked. But I still DID!! And to put it in the best way I can put it..? For years, I felt like my soul had been smeared by something dirty and disgusting! Without me even knowing it, until I finally saw through it, and then.. EWWWWW!!! And just the fact that that could happen to me, and I was able to be THAT wrong!!! It made me really doubt myself, my own morality, etc, for a LONG time. But I think I’m past it now, I no longer feel dirty and disgusting, and I have also forgiven my younger self, because she sincerely did not know any better. And yet..? Yet..? You can go through that whole process, AND also apologize to the people that you’ve hurt! I was personally never extreme enough to just straight-up DISOWN people for having the “wrong” views. But I will admit, if I found out that someone did not support “trans”, it definitely made me think less of them, overall. Plus I would let them know that I found their views horrible. Which.. I have since apologized for that, and let them know that they were right, and I was wrong! (They all forgave me. ❤) And it wasn’t even hard to do, really! Because my self-concept has never been one of: “I am always right, about everything, and can never be wrong!” Another thing: our culture really sh1ts on people who change their minds, and own it! Which I think needs to change! Being able to change your mind..? Is a really positive trait! And then owning up to it..? Shows that you’re capable of integrity, honesty, and humility! So I am personally quite proud to be the kind of person who WILL readily admit it. That’s just one personal anecdote, right there. But I hope it can maybe inspire someone, or give some food for thought to people who NEVER believed in this, or.. whatever. Also, for what it’s worth, I REALLY appreciated the original JKR Tweet!! Especially considering that what finally peaked me, after years of questioning and gradual deprogramming, was me seeing how the supposed “right side of history” treated her, after she wrote that incredibly reasonable and compassionate essay about her GC views! She’s much more hardline and outspoken now, and so am I, so I freaking LOVE that! But I will always remember where it started, and how EXCEEDINGLY mild her words were, back then. And the kind of CRAZY threats and disproportionate as f*ck reaction she received, even over THAT.. So much love to her. ❤

[@joge2468]

This should be obvious to anyone who *ACCIDENTALLY* stepped on someone’s foot, yet still apologized.

[@JD-xd4sy]

It's very hopeful and meaningful that you wrote this, having been on "the other side." It's a symbol of someone with good morals.

[@michaelhoudecki3657]

Good that you recognize it, but everyone knows better. to add, your self concept was you are right and everyone else is wrong. I'm glad it's not anymore

[@silverhawkscape2677]

The Problem is that the people you hurt were hurt so Badly they will never forgive you.

[@JD-xd4sy]

@@silverhawkscape2677 How do you know this? Unless this individual personally handed out puberty blockers to children, I'd say it's very forgivable to come to terms with something like this. A vast portion of society has been hijacked by this cultist belief system, and of course people are gonna adhere to the doctrine if the authorities and government does.

[@stac3426]

She is so smart and so concise. I admire her so much.

[@susanyorke-u7b]

A brilliant channel, love it. You talk sense.|Im a bit tipsy but I cant help feeling sad for all the children that are being convinced that they are a different sex, puberty blockers are so damaging, this TREND has got to stop. too much damage is being done, as the many detransitioners are stating. I was terribly upset about what happened in the olympics , what will it take to stop the madness. Its a mad world

[@seansabhaois]

Touché... it's a mad World indeed.😐👍🥂 chin, chin...

[@UnitedKingdom-hi3ij]

They'll just move on to next year's trendy protest. They'll then pretend to forget.

[@Robin838]

When they all leave school or "uni" they will lose contact with one another. They might grow up a little, and find that they cannot always hang out with their old mates, and have to live and work alongside adults who have no time for this crock of crap. When the Charity Commission closes Stonewall, companies and the BBC dump the rainbow rubbish, and people start sueing the doctors and surgeons who lied to them, hopefully they might start to realise they were wrong.

[@okcoolbro3]

​@Robin838 idk crazy cults always find a way and it's even worse now sometimes with the internet. Many will move on but some never will

[@twylotwo]

When did GM become the norm for health care of children? Sue them and hold the butchers accountable.

[@NeilBarratt]

I was young once and dumb many times.

[@michaelfry4513]

Doctors need to face consequences

[@PonyboyGarfunkel]

I often post the following request on "trans" and "atheist sites: " Please provide a J.K. Rowling quotation that you consider transphobic." I often get many responses, but not once have I been provided a quotation. Generally speaking, the responses suggest that they hate me. Oddly, I have found "atheist" channels to be equal to "trans" in hysteria over "trans" ideology. Skeptics my ass. They either will-not or can-not answer straight-forward question. I suspect it to be the latter.

[@karagi101]

I’m an atheist and I am against woke trans activist ideas. So are most atheists. Famous ones like Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, Michael Shermer, etc… I think you are seeing a small subset of the atheist channels.

[@alansmith4748]

I'm not sure what the connection between trans and atheism is?

[@tubester4567]

BS, Most atheists were against this from the start. The atheist community doesnt exist anymore because the feminists and trans activists tried to hijack the movement to push their own ideology,. in the end they succeeded. This caused a huge civil war in the movement a few years ago, and most atheists left the movement. When Matt Dillahunty was forced out of his own organisation, it was all over. There are still many videos on KZbin about what happened. By the way, this strategy by feminists/woke left of taking over other movements has been going on for decades. The woke left has hijacked many causes from the environment to even the Palestine thing, but this is basically how they took over mainstream politics, our institutions, universities and media. There are even many churches and religious organisations pushing trans and woke left ideology so dont blame atheists for this mess.

[@tubester4567]

BS, Most atheists were against this from the start. The atheist community doesnt exist anymore because the feminists and trans activists tried to hijack the movement to push their own ideology,. in the end they succeeded. This caused a huge civil war in the movement a few years ago, and most atheists left the movement. When Matt Dillahunty was forced out of his own organisation, it was all over. There are still many videos on KZbin about what happened. By the way, this strategy by feminists/woke left of taking over other movements has been going on for decades. The woke left has hijacked many causes from the environment to even the Palestine thing, but this is basically how they took over mainstream politics, our institutions, universities and media. There are even many churches and religious organisations pushing trans and woke left ideology so dont blame atheists for this mess

[@PonyboyGarfunkel]

@@karagi101 I am thinking of prominent KZbin channels like "The Line" and "The Atheist Experience."

[@EM-KeepingtheFaith]

Thank you Andrew. Your legacy will outlive you Sir

[@Fifi-wv3bd]

Up here in Scotland there was no discussion allowed about trans gender issues and the impact of proposed legislation on biological women. I emailed by SNP MSP several times and no information was forthcoming.

[@flowermeerkat6827]

The SNP is full of evil idiots! Scotland! Why did you ever put these evil clowns in power?

[@reviewman]

They’ll regret it just not enough to apologize to her

[@simonamayaprice]

ex trans kid here. we need to take each and every doctor who conducted these surgeries and prescribed these hormones to court for malpractice. only once we see the worst offenders behind bars will people own up to their mistakes

[@lystic9392]

We have to protect free speech and vulnerable people such as our children from the radicalized who hold and act on irrational beliefs.

[@lystic9392]

@@cristina8868 The ability to effectively spread ideas among the population, which to me means the ability to make use of the effective public square of that time and place (X). (Considering the power big tech holds over what are effectively our 21st century public squares where the ideas are actually exchanged, I don't think it's meaningful or adequate to limit protected speech to what is directly hindered by government. We've seen with Twitter and Facebook how the government can censor through pressure placed on big tech. And if big tech does it on their own, it can still affect our points of view and our elections tremendously.) Though there is a problem: There is a rational defense for free speech but our free exchange of ideas failed at protecting us from irrational extremist ideas that look to effectively strip us from our rights. (Such as DEI and its ability to openly enable institutionalized racial and sexual discrimination in a way that is barely challenged, not kept in check despite it lacking a rational or scientific foundation.) So I think there should be efforts underway to protect us from bad ideas. The market of ideas is not sufficient at warding off terrible ideas that are too scary to stop or too enticing to embrace. What we see is that some ideologies can create enough of a social pressure or threat, and /or pretend to be aligned with our values such that people will allow them to spread almost unopposed. Basically circumventing the immune system of our circulation of ideas.

[@davidsfoxes]

When I realized I had been living in the bubble of fake news and group think, I apologized to all the people I had felt I'd been particularly egregious to. When I saw one of them I was expecting to have a struggle session where I explained how I woke up but all he said was "You get it now?" I said "Yes" and then we just carried on as the old friends we were. On the flip side I'm now being ostracized by my friends who are still trapped in the bubble and have no idea what is going on. I'm glad to be out. I've been trying to pull some of my other friends out but I'm starting to believe that its something we each need to do on our own, there's no amount of links and videos you can send which will break the propaganda spell. They need to notice the inconsistency, follow it up and start their own journey to enlightenment otherwise it will never stick.

[@Honey_Badger_xx]

It seems to me that a lot of people NEED magical or mystical thinking, they can't accept reality without some type of mystical aspect. Therefore, when the magical/mystical thinking of traditional religions starts to loose popularity and disappear from society there is a vacuum created, a perfect space for new magical thinking, new cult thinking to take hold.

[@freakydeaky1435]

I nearly agree, however I don't think the mystical aspect is necessary, just very common. I think that the role which religion and social justice ideology share is that of a straightforward call to action: People want a cause to follow with moral import so as to furnish them with a clear right and wrong and identifiable good and bad guys. Most issues are nuanced, however, and it's hard to come by rational reasons to demonise others or view every issue through a simple paradigm, hence, belief systems capable of filling this role predominately involve some extra-physical or supernatural element to bypass all the complications to going on a warpath.

[@IIIIAmSHODAN]

spoken like a true ape who knows nothing about the history of humanity

[@kymmaraldo1365]

I have long wondered if there is any coming back from this insanity. I fear that for those young people who have been mutilated, there won't be.

[@jaywalker1233]

that’s the tragedy - there is no way to reverse what has been inflicted on their victims, and there is no holding to account for those who inflicted the pain, suffering, and loss of life

[@terrystewart1973]

There's a great little German film called 'The Nasty Girl' (Das schreckliche Mädchen) from 1990, based on a true story, (that of Anna Rosmus and the town of Passau in Bavaria), that addresses this. Sonja, a German high school student, enters an essay contest, and chooses as her subject "My Town During the Third Reich". She does a great job of finding out too! It turned out almost all the leading families of the town were dyed-in-the-wool Nazis, and had been from even before the Nazis came to power. All this is rather different from what they subsequently claimed; that there were no Nazis there ever, and that some were even "resistance heroes" (such as the editor of the local Catholic newspaper, who _in fact_ wrote pro-Nazi editorials and urged his readers to pray for the Fuehrer). Further digging shows her finding the existence of the eight concentration camps in the area, that had been airbrushed from the town's memory, along with the once sizable population of 400 Jews who had once lived in the town, and whose property had been stolen before they were killed. This doesn't go down _at all well_ ! And no, there were no apologies from the one-time Nazis for their actions.

[@gabymeyer8003]

Thanks for mentioning that film, I must look out for it.

[@bottomley20]

It’s as Helen Joyce said, these people will have to go to the grave believing they did the right thing. The alternative is unthinkable, living with the knowledge that they have irreversibly harmed their children.

[@michaelhoudecki3657]

Well that's too bad

[@billtruttschel]

I proudly stand with you and J.K.R.

[@tracyaf6084]

They’ll only apologize if their lawyers make them to avoid a lawsuit.

[@akashajones6079]

You think teenagers have lawyers? No one is trying to sue teens.

[@tracyaf6084]

@@akashajones6079 they’re not all teenagers. She already had one activist apologize after contacting her solicitors.

[@corrinemcewan248]

"The Remains of the Day" is one of my favourite movies, as well. 🇨🇦

[@shiina29]

There needs to be a reckoning for the misogyny that allowed this all to happen. The complete and utter disregard for women and our rights MUST change.

[@karagi101]

Misogyny? Women have never had more equal opportunities than they’ve ever had in all the history of humanity. You must be young and didn’t live through the period when there was actual discrimination based on sex.

[@sun7siren]

⁠@@karagi101 You must be joking… surely? Trans ideology is the biggest indicator that misogyny is alive and well in the cultural zeitgeist. For example, biological women in female sports are competing (and losing) against biological men who “identify” as women. Women are literally being forced out of their own spaces in favour of men… if that isn’t discrimination based on sex, then I don’t know what is 😵‍💫… There are many more examples of this sex based discrimination happening in the workplace, schools, female prisons, r*pe crisis shelters, etc. The list is endless.

[@juneelle370]

@@karagi101 you have a major blind spot if you don’t see the erasure of rights of women through the change of definition of women as a problem based in the lack of respect of women and girls. And yes, there are countries that are worse and yet the denial of misogyny is the core of misogyny… when harms/crimes are done and the victims of it are dismissed as nothing, what could be more disrespectful? Even in America, do you think women have equal respect culturally? The core of misogyny is disrespect. People don’t have to be exact to be equally respected.

[@karagi101]

@@juneelle370 I hold to the definition of a woman as a biologically born female of our species. The problem is that feminists have embraced trans ideology which is trying to change that definition. As for respect… That is a secondary issue. The issue is equality under laws and policies. That is now in place. Respect is something earned. Women have been given equality and it’s up to women to use it to earn respect.

[@Ann-qe6py]

It's not all about rights. When trans women mock women that's misogyny. When they think they can dress up like women they can just become women without having to go through the experience of girls and women that is a big insult to women.

[@Ryo7_7]

The Dunning Kruger effect is definitely prevalent in their ideology and a lot of self-loathing projection.

[@TheOverlordOfProcrastination]

I work with kids, and all of those who actually know who JK Rowling is dislike her. They’re being taught by activist TikTok influencers.

[@flowermeerkat6827]

I'm starting to think there is no good reason for TikTok except to teach young people how to be stupid.

[@deepoole820]

I doubt if there will be apologies even if they one day realise their actions were harmful. JK stands up for LGB and all women. She's a hero.

[@jozsefizsak]

You're a fine fellow, Andrew.

[@malenkapolkowski3392]

Thank you Andrew for your relentless pursuit and exposure of what we’re “Not Allowed” for our own good ‼️🙏🏼👍🏼

[@jeanplacanica7814]

True ! Good on her she’s wonderful.

[@theresearcher253]

In four years, I've seen a shift in attitudes towards the pandemic. If you read the comments sections now, you'd think that most people were against lockdowns and masks and were sceptical about vaccines. In the future, it will be hard to find anyone who ever supported trans ideology. It will all have gone down a memory hole.

[@priscillaroberts7945]

Reminds me how when i went to live and work in germany, everybody insisted their dads / grandads had been in british prisoner of war camps from early on. I was almost embarrassed for them but made my disbelief obvious. I feel sorry for the trannied kids but their parents and the butchers should be in prison.

[@pipinpip]

Apart from the Trans people I suppose. One in eight Americans now say they know (or are) a Trans person. That’s a lot..

[@theresearcher253]

@@pipinpip But what does trans actually mean anymore? A tiny proportion of these are what we used to call transexuals. The bulk of them are cosplaying male fetishists and confused young girls.

[@jeidafei1165]

This reminds me of what J.K. Rowling wrote in Harry Potter, "People find it easier to forgive someone for being wrong, than for being right". Dumbledore also said the only way to heal the soul is genuine remorse, but it is very difficult and painful. When Harry gives Lord Voldemort one last chance to show remorse for all his crimes and heal his soul, he simply laughs in derision. Remorse is indeed very, very difficult and painful. It requires great humility and courage. So, naturally, few people manage it.

[@TessaTickle]

This essay was perfect. Powerful. Thank you.

[@Focal_Paradox]

I no longer believe it's just naïve confused people being dumb. It's a deliberate, coordinated and international effort.

[@lornocford6482]

I agree.

[@laurykristensen6239]

A well thought out agenda backed by big $$$

[@upStomp]

History will judge them in the aggregate, but, sadly, as individuals they'll merely be forgotten.

[@jolesliewhitten6545]

Narcissists feel superior and NEVER apologize.😊

[@juneelle370]

It’s like the “are we the baddies” skit. Most crimes/injustices are committed with a sense of morality (they THINK that what they are doing is right, no matter how wrong.) My sense is, those that engage in extreme injustice do so without any real/deep challenge to those beliefs or introspection… so when they are faced with judgement of the wrongdoing, they again shy away from any real deep introspection that would lead to real repentance, pain in knowing the harms caused. There was a play I saw that had these lines (paraphrased) that apply to these concepts of moral growth and why there is resistance to it. She said- I know you’re my husband and you will eventually convince me that there is no hell (he was a pastor who’d changed his mind on hell) but the person I will become who believes in no help doesn’t like the person I am now and the person I am now doesn’t like the person who believes in no hell. It’s internal triangulation-people have fear of external judgement so they judge with a quickness and in alignment with the ideology/group they are in (and without much internal inquiry at all-because of fear of being outcast… it’s why people should KNOW they are in ideological danger if they oppose free speech and don’t want to engage in orderly debate for the purposes of truth and finding flaws in one’s arguments or the ideology you are being taught) … and the same process happens internally based on past, present and future self. People don’t know how to love themselves though they’ve made deep mistakes and even have hurt people… so they avoid the introspection and focus on projection -scapegoating the ideology alone while learning from how they hurt others while believing it. It’s the difference between healthy guilt and shame-- guilt is accepting responsibility and getting onto GROWTH and making amends if possible… it’s admitting mistake whereas shame says--you, yourself are the mistake… which leaves only internal implosion or external explosion of projection. Most people say “I am good” and then reverse engineer every mistake… this leaves no room for introspection or growth. Others say, I want to do good… so they realize they can make mistakes and will introspect… they can grow from this place. If people knew more about how to love themselves (truly-to love love and love truth) they could admit errors and grow. Ego is a severe judge and is hierarchical and damning which leads people to completely avoid introspection and to follow the crowd, fearing judgement and join in on judging without examination.

[@shainanash8518]

Greatest pod cast. Am Yisrael Chai.

[@SaraAllen-ui5wz]

I ❤ J.K.Rowling

[@MaybeeT]

Sadly there will never be a reckoning for this. It became mainstream and too many are complicit. It will slowly fade and when some try to get justice the system will minimize it in to nothing

[@Linda-pg3so]

Well said, Andrew👏🏻🇦🇺.

[@eutectoid1]

Brilliant analysis - this channel is stellar!

[@NorthernObserver]

Liberalism means never being wrong. It is one of its unrelenting flaws.

[@diannebdee]

Wrong. I'm a Liberal and I abhor trans ideology and agree with Rowling. I hate woke and want a return to civility and reality. Don't pigeon hole all of us.

[@jasonwismer2670]

Ever speak to a conservative? This is a people thing, not a political thing.

[@Catherine.Dorian.]

@@jasonwismer2670Conservatives usually have facts to back up their beliefs, liberals have feelings

[@jeblmknctmabtaldlr]

@@Catherine.Dorian. not where I come from. over here, conservatism is ten thousand percent feelings.

[@Jueyes-vg2gb]

we are no longer living in liberalism, dont let those communist freaks on the "left" steal the world liberal, they are not liberal, they are "progressives" or "communist" and basically the worst human beings among us

[@Linda-p3d1g]

I'm still thinking about this. Thanks for presenting the different perspective.

[@adamandsethdylantoo]

The problem with progressivism without tradition or even dissent as a moderating force is that even the most diehard progressive will eventually be “out”. Rowling was calling people racist for hating black Harmonie only about a year or so before she fell out of favor with people for being “transphobic”, and she more than anyone has had to experience first hand having everyone you concider your friends flip on a dime overnight and then berate YOU for “changing”.

[@MimosaRose]

I can’t imagine the depths of sadness and regret detransitioners face. They are on an island. We need to support them.

[@madameovary1303]

There may be some rare exceptions, but most will never apologise or even admit they were wrong. It is infuriating but sadly very typical human behaviour. Most people lack self-awareness. I observed this early on in my friends who would hold firm opinions, change them completely and then be genuinely unaware that any kind of change had taken place. It was baffling and made me interrogate my own opinions even more - being conscious of how my thinking has evolved is such an important part of knowing myself.

[@deanvm9158]

Proud of JK I never thought she would go on like this despite it all Well, we are going to win. Go JK! Support from the 🇵🇭

[@alexsolomon7991]

Rowling makes too easy a target. She's literally a rich white billionaire living in a castle. That doesn't justify the vitriol.... Its just too easy to sling arrows in her general direction.

[@tripleyoker2049]

Except her success and castle were celebrated BEFORE she spoke up in defense of women and children…

[@flowermeerkat6827]

She could be a billionaire except she's give a whole heaping lot of her money to charity. Look it up. Before the trans nonsense, I disagreed with J.K. Rowling on quite a few things. (I'm conservative and she is very liberal), I havne't even read her books, but I admire her courage and bravery. So maybe you should consider how "easy" a target she is. She's a self made women who was a single parent who had to leave an abusive husband. I still disagree with her on a lot of issues, but she is the bomb diddely. The woke SJW wish they could be as bad ass as she is.

[@taydriver5199]

Your point in the beginning reminds me of the time I went on a dating app previous to meeting my fiancee. I’m a lesbian and there was a trans woman messaging me saying I am homophobic because I didn’t want to date them. I wasn’t ever rude, just said I am only attracted to women who were born as women. She told me I was ignorant and was so pushy. I’m sorry but that whole encounter reminded me of how frustrated some MEN are when they are rejected. It gave me such a terrible feeling, This is men praying on lesbians in a space they are suppose to be alone in. Pissed me off.

[@Ann-qe6py]

This is terrible and we know that lesbians have been kicked off websites because they don't want trans women on their websites. How entitled are these trans women. How about some boundaries? Back in the day we did not have to deal with these issues and would have see this for what it is. To all women we get to say -no - it's a whole sentence. No.

[@adrianmeyer2157]

They'll never say sorry as they only see themselves as the holiest of holies.

[@AngusKart]

Good of you to bring up Rinder and his atrocities which seemingly have been swept under the rug, his being treated as a "hero" in present day. I remember Rinder in the 90s, there were plenty of videos back then of him treating protesters terribly. We know he did far worse to those still inside the cult.

[@thirdactwarrior317]

I’m sure JKR really cares…not at all. She is un-cancellable and she knows she’s right.

[@laer.393]

she’s so badass imo

[@stephenbrookes7268]

When I was a teenager I have to be honest that puberty did not hit me like a tonne of bricks. My parents were quite inert on such matters. If I asked my dad about the "Birds and Bees" he would refer me to my mother and vice versa! So I asked my best mate's slightly older brother who gave me lots of p!55 taking misinformation so I just went to the library and studied it for myself. The very fact that I was smart enough to realise, that things I was being told might be nonsense and to refer to factual sources for my formation of opinions, has been one of the course that has guided my life. My own children, both of whom are very dismissive of any parental guidance that they have received, both feel that we did very little to set their principles or how to deal with life's traumas. They simply do not realise that they think the way they do because of the parental guidance we gave them. Being able to do your own research, not listen to false prophets, not following the crowd, not jump on band wagons etc. as well as the standard ideas of being a good citizen, are precisely the very high principles that they bought into as pliable children. I watched other parents dealing with their children as though they were toys for their amusement, little dolls to dress up, teaching them to parrot their ideological ideas, doing absolutely everything for them, not allowing them any latitude to discover the consequenses of making errors, not allowing them any access to risks or danger, living their lives through their children. I felt this would make their children fail to launch or even produce adults that could not or did not want to become adults. I now see the adults that they have become and it isn't a good look!

[@lillith77]

They would never apologize and should never be allowed to forget. If they're just forgiven to let bygones be bygones, it's just a matter of time until the next bandwagon comes along

[@michaelhoudecki3657]

It'll be the same people. The people today are the same as they were back in the 30s/40s

[@mikeydflyingtoaster]

There will never be apologies. People will convince themselves they always thought the way they will come to think and JK Rowling ‘took it too far’ and ‘alienated moderates’.

[@ThePhobos100]

i probably don't agree with JKs politics for the most part, but when it comes to stating biological facts. i can't disagree with her there.

[@IainFrame]

They will never ever apologise. At most, they'll deflect.

[@robertdagge200]

As a youth I never felt passionate about anything whatsoever (except maybe more alcohol). Seems I missed a lot

[@flowermeerkat6827]

I know! Dating and partying and maybe looking for a job. What's wrong with young people nowadays? I don't think I ever talked politics with friends or lovers.

[@CloudyWolf713]

Everything alright?

[@DreamsOfFinland]

Appreciate you & your guests so much. Trying to protect kids & families & women's right to exist done with such eloquence is a treasure.

[@almanediligence9505]

People get tattoos and regret them later! Gender surgery is going too far. Wait and give time to make the right decision!

[@honeybunch5765]

I love her straight forwardness. Good on her.

[@karldraper4123]

Tyrants will never apologise...ignorant hypocrites!

[@blip-2024]

They may be embarrassed and sorry about their behavior BUT they will NEVER admit it or apologize.

[@tedthesailor172]

Someone as internationally awesome as JK Rowling is above those micro-bigots...

[@garethevans3600]

Very insightful. I really don't see anyone apologizing. You can turn to some of the egregious happenings of the Covid period - masking, vaccine mandates, especially school closures - these people all still have jobs and careers and are even writing their memoirs. Students are hassling Jewish students after Oct 7 with no thought. I just don't think we are who we pretend to be - after WW2 there was a genuine shock and horror at what occurred but that has faded from memory and we are again the same ignorant, aggressive, insular beings magnified by 1000 through social media.

[@chubsteriffic]

I’m absolutely sure Dunning Kruger is a paper company in Scranton PA. ;)

[@aoifebooth4273]

If she ever gives an interview about all this I hope it's with you Andrew, you are definitely the leader on this in the media.

[@stuartmunro2474]

They imagine that LGBT means never having to say you're sorry.

[@duncanmcmillan9558]

Unfortunately I don't see those who have osteracised or attacked or cancelled people with other views being ever cognizant enough or humble enough to apologise for the harm they cause. My own eldest child has cancelled me from their life for over 4 years because I defended JK Rowling on Trans issues. Too many get punished in the dark while the oppressors stand in the light, beating their chests claiming because they have been wronged that they are right. Its sad that we live in a world where civil discourse and healthy open debate is in rapid decline.

[@suestatham-yi4uo]

Well said❤