Trans Dudes From History, Vol. 1

[@jackisnotabird]

Thanks to everyone for your thoughtful comments! It makes me really happy that so many other people enjoy learning about trans history as much as I do. Volume two is now live so click here to watch it! kzbin.info/www/bejne/fonKXq19mqhgibc

[@flow_dojo]

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[@flow_dojo]

Thank you so so much for including intesex and 2S in your forward in this ^_^

[@toswingonastar]

“trousered woman bites policeman” is goals

[@carterkentboi]

What they did to him is not goals. Read between the lines.

[@kanedistler7409]

The quote from Riki Wilchins reframing "There have always been transgender people," as "There have always been cultures which imposed regimes of gender" is such an important shift in perspective. It's easy to forget that gender diversity is perfectly natural and beautifully human in a world that insists the opposite. Thanks for the reminder, I needed it today!

[@ethanesposito85]

sorry but transgender is still and was always a medical condition that has existed for a while. and gender is not a social construct, gender roles are.

[@ShallieDragon]

Looking forward to this series! So much of trans historical accounts focus on transfeminine folks, so it's very refreshing to see something focused on transmasc people. Keep being awesome!

[@ethanesposito85]

trans men* we are not ''transmasc people''

[@ethanesposito85]

transphobia

[@bodhimayo2530]

@@ethanesposito85 havent watched the video yet but an important thing to keep in mind with historical figures is that we do not actually know how they would identify using modern terminology! broader terms like 'transmasculine' (of which trans men are a part of) definitely feels like a more correct way to refer to people who, during their lifetime, did not have these labels and identities to choose. Many very well could have been nonbinary, some may have even been butches seeing as female oppression is why its so difficult to find trans men throughout history. Im a trans man myself and understand the frustration that comes with a label that implies lessened masculinity, but i think @shalliedragon chose the correct word for the context :>

[@asterismos5451]

There's also Albert Cashier, an American Civil War soldier, who has an awesome musical biography of his life, written by trans men and played by trans and non-binary actors, mostly. (It's called The Civility of Albert Cashier, and you can watch a video-taped version of it by buying it or asking the creators very nicely. It also has an album but there are so many scenes without songs that I recommend watching the show instead.)

[@newsjunkie7135]

I love that quote from Riki Wilchins, "It's not so much that there have always been transgendered people; it's that there have always been cultures which imposed regimes of gender." This is so true it gave me goosebumps!

[@ambientjohnny]

So there have always been sexist stereotypes in societies... and now "trans" people perpetuate those stereotypes, base their entire personality on them, literally validate sexist stereotypes, and still claim to be on the path of progress... it makes zero sense. Being a man or a woman is not a costume or set of behaviours one can adopt to become one, one is born either male or female, which is the prerequisite for becoming either a man or woman upon reaching adulthood. Redefining man and woman as based on sexist stereotypes is pure sexism and regressive in the extreme.

[@marieadams7753]

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 Hi from Wales in the UK Jackson 👋😘. Im a 'Cis' Woman probably old enough to be your nan 🤪 but I just wanted to say I stumbled across your channel earlier today and I have to say I luuuuuuuuuuv it! You are an amazing channel creator and present such an interesting and educationally informative channel with such a perfectly balanced style! You certainly clarified many issues I have previously wondered about and you do so light hearted with a sprinkle of humour 😆 Looking forward to joining you on your your enlightening journey , sending live your way 🧡💛💚💙💜 🌈 A big shout out to Harry Allens mother (and all supportive parents of trans children) for evidently loving, listening and truly believing in thier children born trans which no doubt can make a difficult life journey feel a little easier! 💖

[@Miss_Lexisaurus]

This was so worth the wait! I love learning about Queer folks from history, it's such a great reminder that we've always existed and we do have a long, awesome history.

[@FinntasticMrFox]

We're starving for information like this, thank you so much for taking the time to do this research and share what you found!

[@terrajonathans29]

This is amazing and very interesting, and somehow makes me feel powerful. Thank you for this video

[@gotramen]

You did the intro to this video with so much respect and I love that. Thanks for teaching us a little history Jackson

[@jaccrossan810]

You can really tell you took the time to do your research and to be as respectful as possible!

[@littlestpineapple2898]

Very excited about this bibliography! Thanks!

[@jackisnotabird]

Heck yeah, bibliographies rule!

[@bettyreads222]

really enjoyed learning this history; thanks jackson!

[@sethmcgee9550]

I wish I was in the future because this rules and I love hearing about this

[@austenclayton7006]

This is such a lovely, heart-warming, and much-needed series! Thank you for shedding light on these stories! 😊❤️

[@justinsamuel7179]

Such a well thought out and informative series! Looking forward to the next video.

[@pmbluemoon]

This is awesome Jackson!! I love this video and of course can't wait for more 🤩 I always called myself "a gay man trapped in a female body" before learning about transgender. I was ELATED! 😃 I finally knew a word that described me, it was wonderful 🥳 Growing up (I'm 44 now) I always heard the word "gender bender" to describe anyone not binary. If a person was gay/lesbian/bi, it was called (I kid you not) "AC/DC" from what my mom would tell me! (and not the rock band lol) Glad you're back on here, I'm not very good with the "social medias of today" lol 🤪

[@garyneeley4932]

I LOVE THIS! Please continue to do all of this 💯❤

[@jackalope03]

this was really neat! I sketched while I was listening and had a great time. can't wait for the next video. :]

[@TJBaer-kq1he]

Really enjoyed learning about these awesome trans guys, and I shall be looking forward to the next installment! Also, I vividly remember watching a made-for-TV movie (probably Lifetime) back when I was a kid called "The Ballad of Little Jo" that featured an AFAB individual navigating the Old West by dressing "as a man." The movie hit very hard on the "Hey, you guys, this is a totally heterosexual cis woman here - she's only dressing like this because it's tough being a lady in the old west" bit, but I remember being fascinated by the whole thing as a kid, as I was fascinated with any media showing "crossdressing" or gender-bending. Hm, wonder why that was... :P

[@jackisnotabird]

Joe Monahan! Was very close to bringing up Joe. Might do a separate video just on Joe and the ways he's been super feminized by the media over the years.

[@hollis1996]

Thank you for doing this series! The longer I transition, the longer I think about the complex history of "transdudes," as you say.

[@zachariahshort6546]

“Young girl with terrible beard rewrites history.”

[@KatrinaEames]

This sounds like a really interesting series! I loved learning about these people

[@jenniferheard1360]

Awesome video, following this series, thank you so much for you research and presentation Jackson, you have came so far also.on your own transition, congratulations , thanks for being there to assist others on their way. Love and light.💙

[@Atalinay]

Dang this is so cool! Its so well written. The effort you put into this really shines through :D

[@readingaster]

thanks so much for making this!! this is so cool, i cant wait to see more

[@bricksloth6920]

When I first heard the term "nonbinary" I was like, "YES! FINALLY, there's a word that describes me!"

[@bricksloth6920]

(I also go with "gender nonconforming", sidestepping questions regarding trans identity.)

[@ambientjohnny]

@@bricksloth6920 Why would not conforming to sexist gender stereotypes mean you are "outside the binary"? The majority of people don't base their personality or identity on which sexist stereotypes they conform to... except "trans" people.

[@elainemckinley1757]

Return of the King

[@annakevlin8634]

Awesome video! Can't wait for the next one.

[@locutusofquail8426]

I love this so much. :') Great topic, great explanation of your methodology, great video!

[@skill07qc67]

That makes me feel so emotional. Thank you so much to making this content!

[@jessegrant2749]

This is amazing. Thank you so much for this!

[@Jjess.8]

So so so important!!! Loved learning about this :) Keep it up 👍

[@mariealexandraaa]

Honestly I need a full length movie on Harry Allen !

[@ascotter]

Hey Jackson, I know you probably wont see this, but I thought your video was very informative and interesting. Thank you for posting it. You look amazing

[@ntcssj]

Heck yes! This series is awesome!

[@skylargreen7156]

Hi ! I have been following you since a little while and I never comment. I make an exception for this video which I find really interesting because of the fact that you speak of a subject that is too little mentioned, that of trans men. I intend to share your video because I believe that many are those who do not know the subject and who think that it is about a "fashion" appeared in the 21st century (To have discussed with some, it is is what they think). I present myself as an ally of the trans men / women community and these videos allow me to learn more about that. Thank you to you for this sharing. P.S: Excuse me if I made a few mistakes, but I'm French and I'm more used to reading and listening to English than speaking and writing it. Sorry in advance.

[@michellemama2520]

This is so interesting! Thanks for sharing and looking forward to more 👍🏽

[@quasi8180]

Learning about the word trans was a big scary eye opener for me but it explains so much about why i felt different as my female classmates

[@victoriaridgway2286]

This was a very cool video! Also felt very crash-coursey!

[@IAmOneSickPuppy]

Very cool, can't wait till next week

[@rrrosecarbinela]

Cool series, can't wait to see the next account! Kottke Ride Home rules!

[@itsdonuttime7729]

Yeah I have learned that concepts and (esp) experiences with gender don't match 1:1 across cultures so it is important for everyone to remember that as a general rule as mentioned at around the 7 min mark of the video. This has been a fact I have further internalized by watching Jackson's videos and learning never to assume and overall think broadly!

[@riversrhodell2359]

I really appreciated your nod to indigenous people in the video. A lot of (usually white) KZbinrs tend to handle things poorly, and it often leaves me feeling weird as someone with indigenous heritage.

[@cloudsofsunset7323]

there is really a fine line between being into crossdressing and being transgender. so we can only be respectful to everyone and not assume. whether it's the past or the pressent

[@ambientjohnny]

Well, anyone that thinks wearing a certain type of clothes means a person has to be a different "gender", is literally completely sexist.

[@dylan4142]

i was looking for something exactly like this but info is so hard to find unless u stumble across it... thanks!

[@rileylovebucket6080]

I was just thinking about how little I know about historical trans masc people an d how much that's bitten me in the ass when it comes to figuring out my own identity. I grew up not knowing that trans people exist, then when I started learning about the topic, it always seemed to revolve around trans women's experience. It took me a long time to figure out that trans feminimity isn't the only way to be trans. It sounds absurd, because obviously there are trans men, but I always put them in the same bucket as cis men and didn't think I would ever relate (there's a lot to unpack there, of course). It's sad that a large part of the trans masc experience is superficially so muddled with cis womens' gender experience. This video came at just the right time, then. 😄

[@askdisjsisjsitomlinson509]

and a huge thank you for you jackson bird, everytime im feeling like shit because of something going wrong on my transition or im questioning myself for tiny stupids little things you just appear at my recommendation videos and make me feel better about myself, are u a magician or something idk but you're a beautiful, smart af human. I wish u the best, take care of yourself always and again thank u so much

[@symphonysonic8643]

So well done- can’t wait for the sequel!

[@sylvanwho176]

I love this so much! There is something deeply comforting to me about hearing that there have always been what we would now call trans or gender non conforming people throughout history. Makes me feel less alone, less like an aberration or "a millennial snowflake," and feel more connected to the heritage of queer people who came before me/us. Thank you so much for writing and presenting this information! I can't wait to watch part two.

[@madusername]

Yo I love this, I can’t wait for more

[@Hmm...Whats-Their-Name]

LOVE THIS!!

[@commonground2374]

My great great great aunt is rumored to be trans in some way. Mary Edwards Walker would often dress as a man all the time. They even wore pants under their wedding dress and was hurried in a suit and top hat. They were the first “woman” to revive a Medal of Honor and was a fantastic surgeon in the civil war. I’m trans myself so I like to think I inherited it 😆.

[@froggang_allert9370]

This is awesome 👏

[@mutedchroma]

For me, learning about being trans meant going from thinking "I'm wrong and strange..." to "I'm trans and an acceptable part of my community." It also brought along a LOT of awkward moments, but it was also a comfort.

[@SonyaandSidney]

Thank you, Jackson! ❤️

[@jennieC_]

Thank you 😊

[@Tofu_Pilot]

Keep going! This was dope.

[@steelex44]

I subscribed before the video even loaded

[@butterflypooo]

I heard that some historians believe that Joan of Arc could have been a trans man. There are some quotes that Joan said VERY similar to what Harry Allen said at the end of this video.

[@saffodils]

I somehow missed this, glad to see people talking about trans history!

[@butterflypooo]

If HRT wasn’t an option today, I don’t know if I would have realized that I’m trans. On the other hand, if there was less assigned gender expectations I might have not grown out of my “teenage tomboy phase” either. 🧐

[@87654321j]

Transestors I love it haha 😂

[@Kluleess]

Very interesting, TY

[@theonlyenekoeneko]

Love this!!

[@DillonExner]

On the topic of people in history dressing in traditionally masculine clothing to access opportunities that would have otherwise been unavailable to them, I wouldn’t doubt that this could have also caused at least some people to realize their own gender identities. For example, in the film The Conductor, a fictionalized biopic of Antonia Brico, Scott Turner Schoefield appears as a (from what I was able to find, fictional) bassist named Robin Jones. Early on, it’s mentioned that he (although his gender identity is kept ambiguous, Jones uses he/him probouns throughout the movie, so I will be doing the same) wears a girdle for back problems. Anyway, he rents a room in his apartment out to Brico but tells her not to come in his room. Checkhov’s secret room being what it is, she does eventually accidentally see him in his girdle, and it’s kinda suggested he’s using it to bind. Eventually, Brico starts an all-female orchestra, and she recognizes Jones at the auditions. He explains that, when he started out, there was no place for female musicians, so he dressed as a man to get a job in the jazz club she first met him at. When she asks him who he is, he merely responds “I’m me.” As I mentioned above, his gender identity is kept ambiguous, but it’s worth noting that he uses he/him pronouns throughout and presents as a man, except when playing with the all-female orchestra - so, even in everyday life. Of course, the time period (the 1920s) is worth taking into consideration, as well as the fact that they cast a trans masculine actor (Schofield uses he/they pronouns). And I apologize, if there are any typos; I am on mobile.

[@pierce8714]

Holy shit he is alive!

[@siginotmylastname3969]

The question of "were they accessing male privilege" is just INCREDIBLY moot to us. You can do that with so many identities. Was an asexual person actually staying celibate for religious reasons? Did a bisexual figure date other genders for straight privilege? But what about this: was a well known lesbian dating women because of the influence of political lesbianism, in which there certainly were some amount of straight women choosing to date as lesbians(though it was often very toxic to lesbians and they may have avoided sex with other women from what I am aware of)? At a certain point all of these questions are simply erasure. We don't have to self censor with every single historical figure we relate to, it's better to just talk about what we know of frameworks of sex gender and sexuality at the time in different cultures.

[@constantly_nervous]

I loved this video!

[@Mistor_Victor]

Awesome video man! For me at least, looking back at history to see other trans men really makes me feel seen.

[@cloudsofsunset7323]

Not me being Spanish into XVI and XVII century history but not knowing of Antonio... o.0 first news

[@wagfulco]

Love and support your message, but I Googled: *Riki Wilchins "cultures which imposed regimes of gender"* and received zero results. Confused. Where did you obtain this quote from?

[@lowlypieceofdata7542]

WOAH THOSE GUYS ARE ME

[@pyro2809]

woah thats so cool

[@siginotmylastname3969]

Idk what the line is between talking about trans people's contributions to colonialism, and just... Talking a lot about trans colonisers specifically. Like we're white so hardly want to decide for anyone else how to approach it, but while yes we should acknowledge all the racism faced by people of colour which trans people also contributed to, I just would not talk about a mass murderer in a big video about trans rep because isn't that going to be something some indigenous trans people can run into? White trans people have bigger platforms, I think it's more our responsibility to include indigenous trans people and bipoc trans people generally with context provided by people who can speak from their own experiences, than to talk about how white trans people in history harmed others in videos that aren't directed at white trans people.

[@saintnitrousproductions2826]

so intresting!!!

[@quasi8180]

Yo harry a fellow Washingtonian!!!

[@thoraneh7365]

Good video but as you say a lot of the time butch lesbians of history are painted as trans men when this is just not the case. Dressing masculine has always been a large part of lesbian history. Plenty of cis women also wrote with male names to be taken seriously in their field. The use of 'Queer' in this video should also be considered since at the time queer would have been a major slur for a lot of these people

[@susanmaddison5947]

Do some MTF ones too next time! We're half the species after all.

[@flowersandmustard]

Have you looked into universal friend??

[@jackisnotabird]

Definitely! Would love to do a video about Public Universal Friend sometime in the future!

[@askdisjsisjsitomlinson509]

make a book, i need to show this to mama

[@alienrat-z3g]

I have to say that when I learned the word transgender it did not initially click. My first reactions to this were more like: "That must be horrible. I'm so glad I'm not trans". For me realisation came much slower as I learned more and got a deeper understanding of transness.

[@janistransbian]

i moved to minnesota over 3 weeks ago. been living here ever since.

[@DeliveryMcGee]

Hee, I have that same shirt. The pocket is too small.

[@Vict0r1984]

11:00 To play devil's advocate a little, wasn't the US frontier a pretty lawless place with a lot of males that earned their bread and butter via illegal activities? I would therefore posit that the vast majority of cross-dressing women who came there chose to pretend to be men out of a fear of being raped or forced into prostitution, and carried on living as such because they realised the life of a man on the Western frontier is both less fraught with perils and offers more opportunities? Just saying, I think that's a far more plausible explanation for a lot, if not almost all, of the female humans that presented as male in the wild west. (and this explanation seems likely for Charlie - not so much for Harry Allen granted, but with him there is a bit the question of whether he really felt he was a man, or whether she was a lesbian not conforming to gender roles for women and who realised that one of the easier ways to bed women in that society would be to present as male...) All I'm saying by this is that there is a chance trans people looking for representation in history might read more into stories of people that just defied gender roles and lived as the opposite sex either because of fears, opportunities or because they were gay and saw that as an easier path to not being punished for "sexual deviance"/"sodomy" or whatever reactionary label late 19th century society would've used for lesbian and homosexual intercourse, not because they truly wanted to be born the opposite sex. To be fair kudos to the author for acknowledging that could've been the case and that for some historical figures we just can't know for sure - this is a very balanced account and an interesting video in general, so I applaud your work in spite of my different reading of Charlie and Harry!

[@siginotmylastname3969]

There are literally people who faced sodomy charges BECAUSE of refusing to out themselves, why would a woman avoiding rape go into so many violent professions, in general trans men have faced far more abuse than cis women, medical abuse against us has been rife for centuries... There are just simply FAR MORE risks to trying to pass as a cis man 24/7 in any significant length of time than otherwise. PLUS that violent misogyny was still disproportionately against women of colour, even though cis white women had it worse than they do now. There was community in being a cis white woman that was more powerful and is more powerful than for women of colour, being stealth passing as a man is isolating and dangerous because of transphobia. PLUS if it was such an amazing solution, why didn't we see absolute swarms of women doing it? Or like whole organisations devoted to teaching women to cross dress for safety reasons? I really don't think there are the numbers these claims suggest to make it fair to cross off every trans figure recognised now.

[@Iquey]

That's the f---in new york times man....

[@ascotter]

Hes cool isn't he

[@_sofie]

If I lived a hundred years ago as a non conforming woman as I am to today, fighting for my rights and the right of other women, and was later perceived as a man without my concent I would be livid.

[@marcozanga3876]

❤️❤️❤️

[@spencer0909]

Yassss

[@flow_dojo]

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[@CorwinFound]

Was discussing two likely trans men from history, James Barry and Billy Tipton, with my mom a while back. It was sad how insistent she was that they weren't trans. In her mind they were likely lesbians looking for a better life. Two people who literally went to their graves as men! Why is the idea of trans (or otherwise gender transgressive) people so hard to grasp for some? Why is lesbian living as a man her entire life so much easier to swallow than trans dude? Especially given that I'm a trans guy. But her response was that I see what I want to see. More likely I just recognize my own peeps. lol

[@Readera]

💖💖💖

[@sachix6411]

Yes trans dude history!

[@danshotguns4226]

Subjective history.

[@pablochavez1497]

😂🤣😅

[@madelaineaslam7040]

Luke 13:1-5 New Living Translation A Call to Repentance 13 About this time Jesus was informed that Pilate had murdered some people from Galilee as they were offering sacrifices at the Temple. 2 “Do you think those Galileans were worse sinners than all the other people from Galilee?” Jesus asked. “Is that why they suffered? 3 Not at all! And you will perish, too, unless you repent of your sins and turn to God. 4 And what about the eighteen people who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them? Were they the worst sinners in Jerusalem? 5 No, and I tell you again that unless you repent, you will perish, too.”

[@MissiveCauseIMissYou]

Love this!