Transformers are unrealistic aliens!

[@emperorkumquat]

People should start making a tally for every time Overlord appears in my videos

[@Biblically-Accurate-Jet]

Challenge Accepted

[@cuppajj]

lol

[@adrienstarfaer]

I had to ask my mom about, "This dude with lips for days!" She's been in the fandom a lot longer than I have. Longer than I've existed, for that matter.

[@longshot9757]

Thanks, but I value my sanity

[@zdraicalicielo]

These videos wouldn't be the same without his glorious lips gracing them

[@certifiedidiot9175]

“The audience wants them to be hot- I MEAN relatable…” same Emperor Kumquat same

[@kingdomofvinland8827]

YES

[@Lonewolf360gaming]

Nothing wrong with wanting a hot giant robot gal/guy

[@AUselessHumanCalledSarah]

*sees Knockout* Yes..

[@brawmankerlexterminateurde860]

@@Lonewolf360gaming that's what cause mechanophilla and it's quite bad hah

[@brawmankerlexterminateurde860]

Rather have insecticons or bayformers than looking at cybertronians that can be turned into rule 34

[@dangamertop9253]

"Imagine a show where aliens never smiled or twisted their faces in rage, that would be boring" Tf Prime Soundwave (one of the most loved characters): "Am I a joke to you?"

[@emperorkumquat]

Yeah but a whole show of Soundwaves might be different

[@GurrenPrime]

I mean, the whole deal with him was that he was unnerving, even to the other aliens.

[@baconator_x4098]

@@emperorkumquat I think you are underselling faceless actors and just how cool they can be or how much work it takes. There is this really cool video essay on faceless characters (it is mostly a critique of the new Halo series) that I highly recommend you check out. But yeah an entire series like that would never work (Red vs Blue having multiple seasons without having on face seen) Edit: Sorry, that came out more mean and sarcastic then intended. It's called "The Art of Acting with No Face (and HALO's failure)" by GodzillaMendoza

[@RAFMnBgaming]

@@emperorkumquat I'd watch The Soundwave Show.

[@dangamertop9253]

@@RAFMnBgaming Hasbro, who now has an excuse to sell a whole 'wave (pun intendent) of recolors: STONKS.

[@superpaytonmars8852]

To be fair, realistically, aliens in general would not look the slightest bit humanoid. Unless they came from a planet very very similar to Earth and even then, the chances are astronomical. I'm sure you'll probably bring this up in the video itself (I'm typing this in the first minute or so), but the aligned continuity does at least attempt to give us an explanation of sorts. That being, Primus scanned life forms from all across the cosmos in order to create morphologies for his creations. This would explain why most transformers are humanoid, yet others are also more animalistic.

[@helpineedmoresleep2911]

That’s not true. We cannot judge what aliens would look like in the slightest, as earth is the only planet we know of that has Goldilocks conditions and life. Perhaps, if you look at the idea of the great filter, the big event for succeeding and continuing a species is being mammalian and walking upright. It’s impossible to say

[@brawmankerlexterminateurde860]

@@helpineedmoresleep2911 exactly

[@Onyxzegamer]

It’s really only the majority that’s humanoid there’s both bots and cons that don’t take humanoid or animalistic forms onyx prime is one of the best examples but you can also look at trypticon or the driller from dark of the moon cybertron has more variety than we give it credit for it’s just not explored enough

[@superpaytonmars8852]

@@helpineedmoresleep2911 But consider this: what if humanity had evolved from, say, lizards or birds? And let's say we have the abilities of our ancestors because, well, clearly we do. Would we really be humanoid? A humanoid shape probably wouldn't be very aerodynamic for flying. Nor would it be very streamlined for scaling vertical surfaces. And that's not even to factor in the various insane planets that NASA has discovered over the years. There's a planet where it rains glass..... Horizontally. In short, it's classic Darwinism. Different planets mean different environments, thus creating different evolutionary needs.

[@helpineedmoresleep2911]

@@superpaytonmars8852 did you read my comment? Do you know what the great filter is? Do you know what Goldilocks conditions are? No? Educate yourself first and then respond to me

[@ThatGuyWhoMakesVideos]

If you can respect the Bay movies for anything, it's for making the Cybertronians appear more alien. Part of me preferred the alien faces and stranger build types like Laserbeak, Mixmaster, and Bonecrusher. More original than the other end of the spectrum in my eyes (aka metal coated flesh)

[@jurassrex1803]

That's what I like most about the bayverse, that they look more monstrous and many desepticons are scary. and more because of how they sound when they speak Cybertronian, since they sound like huge killing machines making binary sounds. what makes them more realistic in my opinion, I still don't like the new designs of the last 2, (AOE and TLK) since there I know how humans bathed in metal.

[@human8054]

in bayverse decepticon look like monstrous alien robot meanwhile autobot look like friendlier humanoid like robot, its actually a good design the audience especially peoples who never seen any transformers media could easily recognize who is the bad guys and who is the good guys especially in fast action scene .

[@gibran2919]

it would be great if they also include personalities to them. A monsterous alien design with personality will help "humanise" them instead of growling hulking monster that roars lmao. Its a wasted pontentional because i grew up with bayverse transformers. It would be cool to see starscream having a casual interaction with blackout in bayverse design. We never see decepticons in bayverse have a casual conversation with each other.

[@empireofitalypsstimfromano5025]

@@human8054 I Would Have Prefered If They Both Looked Menacing Because That's Supporting That They Show Their Alligence With Their Look

[@empireofitalypsstimfromano5025]

@@gibran2919 I Hate Bayverse For That. And I Dislike The General Concept Of How An Alien Should Look. They Are Alien Just Because They Don't Come From Earth. Making Them Exactly Like Us Won't Make Them Any Less Alien. And It's Not Unlikely Or Likely For Them To Be Different Or The Same As Us. Comparing Them To Animals Is Comparing Them To Un Intelligent Life Forms Who Follow Their Instincts. You Could Argue That Ants Did Make A Society, Have Their Wars And Queens Ecc But They Are Not Capable Of Individual Decisions Or Capable Of Advancement. They Are Stuck At Less Than The Stone Age Using Their Bodies As Weapons. So They Are Not The Best Example For Aliens That Took To The Stars. Their Society Could Be Similar To Ours Or It Could Be A Hive Mind Or Just Look At Stellaris For An Example. But Even If They Are The Same As Us That Wouldn't Make Them Any Less Alien To Planet Earth.

[@foriarez944]

Within the Prime continuity there's also the fact that humanity is based on cybertronians shapes and forms since the origin of humans is Unicron. That's one way to explain why we are so alike.

[@AceTheBirb]

Unicron unintentionally creating his own species capable of change and adaptation... just mentally rather than physically (most of the time)

[@AdamSelvig]

Well In transformers prime and the last knight but the problem here is if unicron did make the human race we’d have to acknowledge he made the dinosaurs and all the other living creatures in earths history which kinda taints the transformers concept of unicron being earth or being his own transforming planet like in the G1 movie

[@empireofitalypsstimfromano5025]

So We Were Made By Space Satan.

[@smb-c3po]

I'm merging that origin with our actual origin of the Annunaki having created us.

[@kingmin9491]

Well I like to look at it this way : the universe is so vast that the likelihood of a species similar to ours but just metal isn't impossible

[@vampyricon7026]

It is, actually. Nowhere in the universe is there a sufficiently large concentration of metal to form a metal planet or metallic species. Also, it just wouldn't work. You need chemistry for life. Metal-metal chemistry is extremely poor. Just alloying, really.

[@ursidae97]

Maybe it is maybe it isn't, but that's not at all relevant to transformers. Think of it this way, you're watching TV, you're not doing biology homework. Think about these things only for how much fun you can have doing it. If you find yourself questioning whether you should be allowing yourself to enjoy this because the idea that an alien could have a nose breaks your suspension of disbelief, then you've officially over thought the show and need a break.

[@Ryder-a-Blaze]

Most aliens usually are very humanoid looking, not just the transformers.

[@kovval8835]

Sayians, kryptonians, asgardians, half of star wars races, they look completely like humans

[@brawmankerlexterminateurde860]

@@kovval8835 asgardians arent aliens nor alien gods They are just Gods and don't forget about about doctor who is human looking but in a way many alien that look like homosapians just showed that looks don't make ya a space stranger

[@kennethsatria6607]

​@@brawmankerlexterminateurde860 They are aliens in several continuities including the mcu

[@kharpa2597]

Na'vi from Avatar Two legs, two arms, two eyes, hair on head etc

[@frankspick7544]

@@brawmankerlexterminateurde860 mcu there aliens

[@oliverrichardson4429]

I wonder if this philosophy is what divides bayformers from the rest of the franchise. Those first few movies (especially ROTF and DOTM) do an excellent job at showing varied and alien designs for robots. But at the same time, what kind of personality do the 13 primes have at a glance? Or the constructicons? Or Shockwave’s driller monster?

[@oliverrichardson4429]

I do like the idea of alien society transformers, but I think trying to write a story around just that with little human elements would turn out like the Lazerbeak scenes in DOTM, just using various forms for deception and murder

[@kovval8835]

I'm actually glad they do the opposite thing in aoe and tlk, they made every robot as much human as possible

[@greendecepticon6148]

​@@kovval8835 I disagree. making then overly human made them less unique.

[@hesiod_delta9209]

The bizarre alien aspect of Bayverse designs is something I really wish more people talked about.

[@insanenero2922]

@@greendecepticon6148 same here, although I love Crosshairs and Drift, they just look strange next to Bee and I dislike the human proportions on Knight Prime. I'd dislike Hound more, but his personality keeps me from getting there.

[@dkkanofkash8798]

Honestly, I like Cybertronians being humanoid aliens because it explains why most Autobots and even some Decepticons are fond of humans and can relate to them so much. It's not the designs or shapes of the Transformers that have to be changed or adjusted, but instead we should get a deeper dive into their history, the history of their language, and the history of Cybertron, because to me it seems that since Transformers shows and movies are so focused on Earth all the time and the human-Transformer aspect, people don't really realize that Cybertronians are supposed to be aliens, which in of itself makes the franchise much more appealing once you think more about that.

[@Karlos1234ify]

“The audience wants them to be hot- I MEAN relatable…” Great taste Emperor.

[@diegodankquixote-wry3242]

2:10 perfect description of transformers Energon

[@danielmedela8725]

When I heard that there are people who think there shouldn´t be female transformers, I had an argument in my head. "Why not?" "Because they don´t reproduce like people." "But they still can feel love. Are all transformers gay by default then?" "What? Of course not. Why would they feel love? They are robots!" "They can feel fear. They can feel envy. They can feel hatred, and friendship, and happiness. And the fact that Starscream has embodied all 5 of those emotions is just a coincidence. So why wouldn´t they feel love?" "But.... it´s a franchise for boys!" "............You clearly don´t know what boys like, specially after reaching certain ages. Fans like them fem-bots, so why not have them?"

[@madmedicalofficer9446]

Exactly! People complain about female robots but then love it when Elita One and Optimus show affection to each other in the shows. They also complain about 'gay robots' a lot and claim it ruins the franchise but they are okay with m/f relationships? What do they expect really the majority of Cybertronian race is made up of male population, even then they don't have genitals, only frame types that give their default gender, why are they so offended lmao

[@danielmedela8725]

@@madmedicalofficer9446 Because they never consider the consequences of the world-building. That´s why many histories of Transformers end on Earth and feel small. You have an entire galaxy to play with, but there´s always minor squads of survivors on Earth that aren´t actually trying to rebuild their species.

[@dungeonsanddragonsbutformo9835]

Please give me more girlbots

[@dungeonsanddragonsbutformo9835]

@@ummelofilo9642 yes there is and yes it is.

[@dungeonsanddragonsbutformo9835]

@@ummelofilo9642 humans can feel two emotions at once, genius.

[@adrienstarfaer]

I mean, there are a lot of different alien races throughout the franchise, for all that the chances of a specific race having such humanlike features and behaviors are astronomically low, it's certainly not inconceivable.

[@Biblically-Accurate-Jet]

And shockingly for “Robots” they can give you a HELL of a lot of Gender Envy

[@cathynourry6685]

That's a niche joke that I understand because I'm not Cis

[@totallynotaferret]

I'm not even trans but yeah

[@totallynotaferret]

I wish I was a big robot with a gun arm...

[@OttoMatson]

​@@totallynotaferret This is late, but same man.

[@ghostx4862]

Actually in the Transformers universe lore, Earth's mythical creatures were based on the cloned predacons that were sent on Earth during the war.

[@mrnobody.4069]

Transformers dying of old age make sense to me because like an old person when they get older there body where's down to the point where they can no longer do simple things any more, same goes Transformers we have seen other bots lose abilities to age or not as capable anymore, if they believe that metal machine like things go forever then why do are cars brake down?

[@brawmankerlexterminateurde860]

It's called rusting away instead of aging in to feces so it's not the same feature so it doesn't makes sense at all Anything unorganic could last forever dependent they are unnatural or uncommon cause we dont much about the universe to truly understand everything

[@mrnobody.4069]

@@brawmankerlexterminateurde860 normally the only time they rusted was when there not alive or it wasn't rust instead of a plague, it is not that kind of alloys that does it when it's exposed to water, even when not in use and machines parts can even weaken or degrade over time, I know look at my username I have collected old junk that has their functionally impaired over age I have many old PDA's and old smartphones but even after a hard reset have trouble booting up again to OS, there no longer as fast they are not as capable of reading and writing information as quickly and the batteries have to be degraded and longer capable of holding a charge! I have an old Sony watchman and a radio from somewhere in there in 1980s almost perfect condition,you know other than capacitors speakers and potentiometers going bad! Don't get me wrong I got plenty of stuff that still works fine however is slowing down but my older analog technology is starting to bite the the dust! Why don't all of our cells just heal themselves when they get old, answer me the question, what makes organic material fail of age anyways!

[@ezrapitts3410]

They don't die of age, at least not normally. This is confirmed in some comics. Very rarely-exactly ONE case of dying of old age was ever recorded in most of Transformers lore. However, in one very specific timeline, Regeneration One, the species did die out from old age due to cutting themselves off from the multiverse. Because they'd sealed themselves out from the multiverse, they'd also cut any connection to Primus, which gave them an immortality of sorts.

[@mrnobody.4069]

@@ezrapitts3410 so they can but they can't? That's weird I'm going to continue saying that they can die of old age because well they do and it makes sense, things do wear down due to time even are organic bodies that can even heal themselves still die of old age. It doesn't make sense how you lock yourself out from a multiverse it makes no sense quantum superposition has to do a lot with it and without that there's a massive hole in the laws of physics, that would prevent things like portals and quantum computers, I guess you could just never exit you're universe though.

[@ezrapitts3410]

@@mrnobody.4069 They don't, normally, because Primus is giving them life, but in the timeline they cut out, they do because Primus is no longer giving them life

[@edsonjairquinteromagana9079]

Well, many aliens in the pop culture are human-like, to empathize with them, like you said Emperor, if a Transformer never had smiled or laughed (except for Soundwave) none of us would have said "Poor Arcee, she got a grieve because Cliffjumper is dead" and it would be so hard to relate with the Transformer species

[@empireofitalypsstimfromano5025]

But What If Everyone Was Like Soundwave

[@_thebigsteve]

Hot take: this is one reason I think the Michael Bay transformers films worked for as long as they did for the average movie goer. While there were many complaints about characterization and some design choices for not looking g1 accurate the more jagged alien designs and the vague details known about their culture allow us to wonder more about how their species differs from ours. Now albeit from a narrative standpoint this didn't always deliver I would argue for the decepticons especially it remained fairly consistent through at least the first 3 films and allowed the audience to see the alien autobots adapt more toward human like appearances as time went on to adjust the audiences comfort level as well. It's one of the aspects that I always enjoyed about the films and disappointed me in bumblebee in comparison.

[@Lonewolf360gaming]

The human attributes of the cybertronians mixed with how varied their history and stories are what make transformers cool

[@ItsJustMeAlex]

Aliens are just the term we give to unidentified lifeforms we find in or came from space

[@greygremlin1248]

Iron Hide: why are we protecting the humans Optimus. They are a violent and primitive race Optimus Prime: We're we do different?

[@patroclusilliad233]

Well there is the argument that the humanoid form is one of the few ideal forms for a species that can produce tools/technology. Meanwhile to produce a civilization the species must be social so you could expect at least some similar behavior to us.

[@Boomtron-jv9uv]

"Because people want them to be hot. I-I mean relatable." Sir, explain yourself.

[@cuppajj]

Thanks for jumpscaring me with the beast machines thumbnail ek 😩 you shameless overlord stan you

[@gurburgandr]

I think a charm of some of the bayverse decepticons is the fact they are more alien than the autobots, most continuities they're just big bulky metal humans lol

[@inesatt1313]

They are far more humane than we could ever be, especially Optimus...

[@flyingfish64]

Except for the one time he REALLY wanted the fallen's face

[@inesatt1313]

@@flyingfish64 I am talking about the gentle Optimus not the Bayverse one he doesn't count for me😑

[@flyingfish64]

@@inesatt1313 g1 was only humane to anyone that wasn't a decepticon tho. Pretty sure that's all optimus primes tho

[@inesatt1313]

@@flyingfish64 Uh some are bad, but the gentle ones THEY ARE THE REAL OPTIMUS PRIME

[@flyingfish64]

@@inesatt1313 pretty sure you can be gentle and still be a feared warrior with q death count though. Hell even the rescue bots optimus technically sliced deceptions in half (thanks weird shared continuity) Now actions are a different thing. In that sense, yeah gen 2 and bayverse are the only two psychopaths. Other than that, they're all pretty much the same morality wise

[@gameandmoviecommunity5757]

I like the balance between humanization and alien.

[@yeeehhaaawtimusprime1795]

It makes sense, I like your approach and this is now my head cannon. Also Overlord tho... GOD DAMN THEM LIPS.

[@LAV-III]

That does make one wonder, what is the most “alien” species in sci-fi? Excluding animalistic ones.

[@kovval8835]

Probably Yautja (predators)

[@LAV-III]

@@kovval8835 I thought about it and I’d personally say the precursors from halo, they can shape shift and the usual forms they take are more crab like than humanoid, they perceive reality in a different way than us and have a different way of viewing the universe and even have their own laws of physics they follow. Partly because their bodies are apart of another dimension and ours at the same time. Their technology is practically magic to us with it being alive to a degree and death doesn’t seem to be the end of them again going back to their view of reality and their concept of neural physics.

[@brawmankerlexterminateurde860]

@@LAV-III that's true Like it quite makes the precursors a bit lovecraftian by how their existence have been showed and shouldn't the aliens in half life be considered in that category?

[@animo358]

Technically Daleks considering they're squids in tanks

[@GreaterGrievobeast55]

Eosapiens from darwin IV

[@bastiknapp2426]

Thats why i Like the miachel bay Designs cause they (at least for the decepticons) give them very Out of world Designs

[@saipranavpalla1467]

Transformers is ridiculous and that's why we like it

[@demolishingtank8853]

Transformers are Terrible aliens Bayformers:Am I a joke to u Anybody who seen the movies:Yes

[@brawmankerlexterminateurde860]

What's so terrible about the bayformers transformers?

[@diegodankquixote-wry3242]

@@brawmankerlexterminateurde860 alot.

[@demolishingtank8853]

No is that the Bayformers are the most alien.Different language,freaky designs etc.

[@demolishingtank8853]

I just slipped a little joke at the end

[@matrixpictures7799]

the live action movie series and its various games and toylines handles the alien aspect perfectly. their faces look alien with some having differently shaped or differently placed mouths or some having no mouths at all. we see "chicken legs" on some bay bots like sideswipe and starscream their feet and hands look alien too, with most transfomers styles the feet are just blocky shapes and the hands are just like ours but with the bayverse they come in different shapes, sizes, and patterns looking almost claw like sometimes. arms aren't too proportionate all the time, some have claws too. they have their own language and even speak in it on screen a lot, with the reason why they can speak English is because they simply learned it through the internet instead of having their dialect conveniently fit in with ours. a lot of things about these designs scream alien even the autobots who look more humanoid have some kind of oddity like some having claws for hands or others having different looking mouths like bumblebee and dino

[@Karlos1234ify]

I believe Exterminatus is necessary. Damn metal shapeshifter Xenos

[@GreaterGrievobeast55]

The cyberonians have already taken root on holy terra little organic, are you so certain your precious fleet isn’t harboring them as we speak? They could be disguised as the lasguns, or the astartes armor, they could certainly be any of those fighter craft or tanks tou have on board…hell THEY COULD EVEN BE THE ENTIRE DREADNOUGHT YOU’RE IN RIGHT NOW!

[@clogs4956]

Emperor protect!

[@LAV-III]

May imperial Justice account in all balance. The emperor protects.

[@Karlos1234ify]

@@LAV-III , Some may question my right to destroy a planet of ten billion souls, but those who truly understand realize I have no right to let them live.

[@Karlos1234ify]

@@clogs4956 No sacrifice is too great, and no treachery is too small.

[@zombiefried2363]

To be fair, in most instances of transformers lore (such as the aligned continuity and even the bayverse) cybertron and earth are basically similar planets that are connected to the same destiny. Cybertron is the body of primus, and earth is the body of unicron, it would make sense that the planetary titans that were made from the same being would likely develop their species in similar ways. Even though unicron is the embodiment of chaos, it makes sense that he would attempt to make a species that could combat primus the same way primus made the original 13 primes in order to combat unicron. It also helps explain why some transformers share similar genetic defects and disabilities with humans, such as the conjoined twins from cyberverse and bumblebee missing his small flanges between continuities. Now, I'm not saying transformers shouldn't look less human like, but i am saying that it makes sense why they do when you look at the broader image

[@misplacedpoetry9687]

Also human(oid) is easier to describe and draw/design as opposed to an other worldly alien beast and thus probably much easier on a show's budget

[@bluelightstudios6191]

My personal theory as to why the transformers share similarities to humans are probably due to unicron's meddling with the natural world, canonically now unicron is inside the earth, he was sealed into it after losing to primus and his 12 or 13 primes. So in order to get revenge he needed to escape and build his own army, so he may have purposefully created humanity as somewhat of a cheap alternative to actual cybertronians possibly because he couldn't actually make legit cybertronians in his condition so he created the humans by evolving a certain species of apes to gain higher intelligence and physical appearences to cybertronians. He would then have humanity colonize all over his rock prison and unintentionally free him by digging the earth of all the hard yet valuable minerals, not only would unicron be free but the materials humanity would have gained would go into their civilization and eventually into a space force for which unicron could easily take control of and command as his own army to fight primus.

[@pokezillaprime2932]

That is a really great theory you have.

[@Lyliarc]

I just like to think God was like "Yo, I wanna make giant planet robots that look like me and Lucifer who are always at odds with each other!" And then Primus was like "I wanna make tiny robots who are like me who have their own independent lives whilst living on top of me." Then Unicron got jealous and made even smaller robots called "Minicons" ... Obviously this is depending on the continuity xD

[@AceTheBirb]

G1: *CONSUME* Unicorn Trilogy: _Tiny bots that ramp up the war he thrives in_ Shattered Glass: "I'm a color palette swap and a good guy." _mixed sounds of protest from other Unicrons_ Animated: "Wait I exist here?" _flips through Allspark Almanac_ Aligned: "I made parasites and I hate them. And what is Primus' spawn doing on my planet?!" Bayverse: _muffled screaming as Cybertron gets closer_ Cyberverse: "Wait I'm not even in this continuity!"

[@KilosFoxo]

my theory for why rescue bots shows they dont cry buy rid 2015 shows they do cry is that sideswipe was made after the war and the rescue bots were made before it so its possible that when prime sacrificed himself to return the allspark he also gave knowelege of earth lifeforms to cybertron making it produce bots that are capable of more human things like crying, it also explains why multiple bots are born with more animalistic robot modes like steeljaw being pure furry bait

[@WolfeSaber]

Speculative biology is something that also catches the human mind. People would think aliens should be humanoid, only for story telling on a low budget, but it is more complex than that. Just watch Curiosity Archives for their understanding of alien biology. Just the show series, the Expanse, has humans on another world and attack an attack on their colony, they think the metal objects they found where life that evolved to have more metal in their bodies compared to life on Earth. I working on my own fan series for the Transformers, where they were biological creatures that evolved with more metal in their bodies, only for the Quintessos to reformat the Cybertronians into more machine like bodies.

[@calebm6684]

The transformers are still less human-like than most fictional aliens.

[@mavericktjo4548]

Yeah, I've never seen something as unique as a whole species of aliens that can turn into their own vehicles.

[@GurrenPrime]

I just had a couple of ideas for in-universe explanations for Transformers/human similarities. First would only really work for a continuity that focuses primarily, if not entirely, on earth, but it would be to give the Transformers more alien appearances _at first_ then have them switch to more humanoid appearances as part of the whole “robots in disguise” deal. They want to incorporate themselves into the host planet’s society, so they model their robot forms and behaviors to more closely resemble the dominant life form. (The vehicle modes being the result of them not being able to completely blend in even with their robot modes). Alternatively, you could take the idea of Unicron inside earth’s core as an explanation for the similarities between humans and Transformers: Primus created the Transformers in his image, while Unicron’s power subtly influenced evolution over billions of years to select for the phenotypes that led to humans evolving. Perhaps the evolution of humans occurring so recently on a geological scale could be a warning sign of Unicron’s approaching awakening. I think I like the first idea for something leaning into the sci-fi aspect of the series, and the second idea for something leaning into the fantasy aspect.

[@hesiod_delta9209]

There is also the character Gaea, Primus' sister and is generally an analog to Primus for Earth.

[@GurrenPrime]

@@hesiod_delta9209 I was not familiar with her, but that could work as well.

[@AceTheBirb]

Also: Onyx Prime's Tryptych Mask gave him the ability to see all life. When he joined to aid the Allspark in forging bodies, he likely assumed the humanoid form would best suit their needs, much like how Primus made them humanoid. But he didn't restrict the species to one type. That is why we got so many types in RID2015

[@gus552electricboogaloo4]

Im seeing this video while sketching bumblebee as a nightmarish hornet-wasp thing in his non disguised form lol

[@mavericktjo4548]

You're really gonna put the bee in bumblebee

[@Talon_Productions]

This is part of why I prefer the Bay aesthetic and designs for characters, at least in '07 through DOTM, They look like aliens, and I prefer my alien robots to look like alien robots. I don't hold anything against any other versions, I love Prime, the Cybertron games, UT, Beast Era, RID2001, etc. Bay is just my favorite/preferred.

[@gus552electricboogaloo4]

Me too honestly

[@mavericktjo4548]

Same

[@jaytime3435]

If Hasbro ever had the balls to change the status quote of what transformers would be, kids wouldn't even think of buying them or even try to enjoy them. And they haven't change that for decades

[@hannahbleu1245]

I honestly believe (in the aligned continuity at least) that because cybertron and earth are twin planets, humans may have convergently evolved to have similar traits as cybertronians or vice versa, though there are still plenty of differences between the two

[@henryfanforever1414]

Exactly what I thought!

[@ezrapitts3410]

You're right, in a manner of speaking. Cybertron is the shell of Primus, their lifegod and defender of the universe. Earth was made from Unicron's body as it accumulated debris and other things, eventually creating life. Primus and Unicron are specifically stated to be omniversal-level beings, no matter what happens, if they die in one universe they simply move to another. And in many incarnations, they share a mind-link, they know exactly what each other is doing at any time. So in various literal and metaphorical ways, both planets are siblings.

[@EnzomusPrime]

EDIT: _(Oh shoot, first of all I have to say, awesome video as always! I enjoy your content very much, I really enjoy your videos about Cybertronian society and culture. :DD)_ That's something that kinda bugs me with Transformers... As a space enjoyer, there would be many aspects of Cybertronian culture and lifestyle that would LOGICALly be very different. In some continuities, Cybertron is bigger than Earth, meaning they would evolve to be low-land creatures who mainly thrive by taking nutrients on the planets surface. In some continuities, Cybertron is smaller than Earth (Like G1!), meaning they would've evolved to be thin and slender beings, or straight up just live in the skies as flying creatures. This is while keeping in mind that, as mentioned here in the comments, that Cybertronians may not even look human or humanoid! As they are fictional characters created by HUMANS, for us to feel and relate to them, they had to had to be personified. Imagine an organic Optimus Prime that looks like a flippin' Jellyfish!! Y'know, maybe the Bayverse Decepticon designs were on to something... I'd say that the easiest way to explain this (assuming Primus is oit of the picture), is that through convergent evolution, that somehow Cybertronians _just happened_ to evolve like earth-native creatures such as humans and animals, and _coincodentally_ having developed similar cultures to us. Oh well, that's fiction for ya! It would be cool to see someone draw or depict more accurate and _alien_ Transformers, lol.

[@lazylass2309]

I can see why the designs would make one think twice. Honestly it hasn't bothered the majority of fans before, so I don't think this is a major issue. But this does give an idea of what Transformers could do in the future for when another reboot slot comes through

[@Duskypines6]

Me, someone worldbuilding aliens: R e f e r e n c e!!

[@majachee]

I'd platonically kiss Prowl on the mouth even if he looked like a silvery blob or leaked from his sad little old man knees. I'd carry Swindle around like a sickly chihuahua if he looked like melted silly puddy, absolutely. In all seriousness, awesome video yet again EK!! 💗

[@EvanG529]

The way I see it, transformers don't look like humans, but HUMANS looks like TRANSFORMERS. After all, the earth is made up of Unicron so that would explain the parallels.

[@TheDaxter11]

I disagree with people saying they shouldn't have gender, because the way I see it its just more body types for them, not "gender" in the way most people see it. The only thing I don't like about it are when they do lipstick and oversized lips, but that's an annoyance that every kind of animation tends to do.

[@chase1146]

Look at it this way. If we came up with it, why couldn’t another species? To say we’re the only species that kiss is about as presumptuous as saying we’re the only intelligent species in the universe

[@ArcTrooper269]

TO BE FAIR, I HONESTLY THINK THAT THE SANGHEILI FROM HALO ARE A ORETTY GOOD EXAMPLE ON HOW TO MADE AN ALIEN SPECIES

[@jouskehigaskita8835]

Well it's not impossible that intelligence life would be humanoid. Also how would a advanced civilization create tools if they only have tentacles or are dog like creatures?

[@GreaterGrievobeast55]

1:09 hell yeah the fabrication machine gets an appearance! All and all I do agree its fine for transformers to be as earthly and humanoid as they are on the whole. Though I have ended up appreciating the chances they take with less human looks, like with some of the bayverse decepticons being very insecoid like with one even having a big wheel in place of legs, or circular beaky mouths. I’d be interested to see what some sort of spec evolution artist might do with their take on transformers even if they were inorganic beings.

[@luke769animations]

My theory for when Heatwave says that cybertronians don’t do certain things is that it’s the same thing as someone saying “Men don’t get scared” or “Boys don’t cry”

[@mobilenation1104]

transformers are not just alien robots, but they are very human robot or human like robot too.

[@DisasterEnby]

Personal belief of mine that, at least in continuities like IDW, the reason cybertronian society is so similar to human society is because one was, even in-universe, modelled after the other. Continuities where they were here for millions of years - even if in stasis - like G1? Human society was unconsciously modelled after Cybertron's. IDW? Well, cybertron would need some kind of society after the war; why _not_ the one planet they didn't kill?

[@lokithegecko9434]

Agreed can't wait for the next video on these metal balls of good.

[@altrovic815]

I think the presence of this kind of argument is also a reason to stop calling these franchises "Science Fiction" and instead refer to them as "Space Fantasy" or "Futuristic Fantasy" or something akin to that.

[@Tom-oz7wk]

6:09 "lil sleepies or smoochies" that's like the cutest thing ever and I much prefer that to all the explicit stuff that is very prominent in TV these days. A good story doesn't need scenes like that and transformers proves this point

[@biospino_zge-7777]

That's why I like the bay transformers so much, they're the most alien of them all.

[@blueraccoon1088]

I'm gonna have to say something to say I mean humans aren't the only species in the universe. Nebulon,Nebulous,, vok,etc

[@javiersantanaaviles5885]

3:32 Well in G1 the Transformers couldn´t do most of the expressions humans could, but after seeing how humans behave and develop with their organic features they decide to adapt it to their bodies, after all in the original timeline the Transformers started from entirely mechanical beings to technorganic beings

[@sergeantwasp6018]

This is why I like the Bayverse designs, sure, they have the general silhouette of a humanoid, but look at them, they look nothing like a human, besides Drift and Crosshairs, but I hate those guys, so they don’t count. People always rag on Bay’s designs because they look like, and I quote “hobbled together garbage heaps”, but that’s what I like about them. They look like aliens, not cartoonish robots or humans in mech suits. Take Devastator for example, besides the *E N E M Y S C R O T U M* looks like a giant, mechanical, abomination (actually, now that I think about it, the whole meme adds to that). G1 Devastator looks like, transforming robot, but big and asymmetrical. Megatron (the design from the first three movies, you know, the good ones) is another good example, he has a very weird look, hands that have way too many thin, skeletal, gangly fingers and in RotF a very asymmetrical body shape. The Twins, Skids and Mudflap have weird uneven bodies and very not humanlike heads and faces. And of course there’s also to thousands upon thousands of the Decepticon soldiers, who look animalistic and have all sorts of weird spikes jutting out of their heads.

[@gus552electricboogaloo4]

Yeah,the only commendable thing from the live action movies (aside from the god tier soundtrack)

[@catborg780]

The proto-forms from Beast Wars were technically silver blobs in pods until programmed though they did have 2 arms & legs

[@WindySilver]

That Overlord art by Milne is always a massive joy to see 8)

[@DoinItforNewCommTech]

Here's my headcanon: the Transformers have humanoid forms and mannerisms because they're shapeshifters. The Cybertronian vehicle modes are their natural form: they adopted humanoid shape after encountering humanoid aliens eons ago (it seems to be the most common shape for organics in Transformers fiction), and they adopted specifically *human* mannerisms after encountering humans, and Earth vehicles after encountering Earth vehicles (we know this part already) Take Unicron for instance: my belief is that he was a planet, and had always been a planet, *until* he encountered Megatron. This is also why the inhuman Transformers tend to be Decepticons (especially in the Bayverse, but to an extent in other continuities), because they outright reject that they need to be human-like. It also explains Sky Lynx--he's got such an ego, he believes his original form to be the superior one, and refuses to take a humanoid form

[@LaenayaSathe]

I completely agree. Tho I'll say that when they go too human it annoys me. I think it'd be great to have TFP but more alien tendencies, cultural norms, language, and more without losing those features that make them relatable. One of the few things about the Michael Bay movies I enjoyed was the alien aspect they played up. Sound design and hearing Cybertronian out loud and seeing their sigils. If Hasbro ever grew a spine for content that the portion of their audience who have watched this stuff since childhood and are now a bit older and can handle more complexity and nuance, I'd love to see a TFPlike series that leans into the alien. They have plenty of ideas in fanon to pull from to start. I'd also love to see an actual two sided war. One where Megatron seeks to establish a monarchy and Prime fights for democracy, both with problematic ideals, and the cultural differences between factions because of where the majority of them came from before the war, and perhaps because of the war. I dunno. I love Transformers so much and TFP in particular (this many years later!) that I just think there are so many more interesting, alien things and gray areas I'd like to see explored. Preferably without losing the charm of a young adult series (I don't need blood and gore and drugs for example to bring make a story more complex.).

[@gialanamoon5094]

Sooo two things: 1) yeah, they look human, cus they were designed by humans!😄 2) Bayverse attempted to make the Transformers more alien, and people HATED it. I personally loved it, if not for the story, but for the designs, because aliens should look effing ALIEN. But I was in the minority saying so. Sooo we complain when TFs are too human, and we complain when TFs aren’t human enough. 🤷🏻‍♀️ In sci-fi, aliens are given human features to make them more relatable to the audience, the audience being human, and humans naturally wanting to see themselves represented on screen to tell us why we should care. Too alien, well, alienates us, but not alien enough makes it seem hokey and contrived. It’s a difficult balance to strike for sure.

[@Marcel-lk9xh]

Tbh the bay movies did a pretty good job at makin em look alien before taking form of vehicles

[@smb-c3po]

You can really only get away with alien designs in the Beast Era.

[@kiranaise]

Finally someone says something about them being earthly looking

[@voidspawn49]

If you are entertained you entertained end of story.

[@krazyfan1489]

imagine a series where the majority of the bots aren't Humanoid. like Rid2015, but good and with the non-humanoid bots not just being the antagonists

[@backonja7255]

AND non-humanoid designs that are NOT just any animal turned robot, but actually original robotic creature designs

[@TaintedWingedPrince]

The human functions they had that always got me is when Transformers gasp/cough/choke - they don't breathe, why would being held by the neck cause them to struggle for air or why would they cough and splutter when wounded? We know why of course, because it'd be weird if a Transformer was on the brink of death from multiple gunshot wounds and is oozing energon all over the ground and instead of speaking in a raspy voice, fighting for every breath, they just sound like a Speak 'n' Spell with a low battery. "Optimus! You can't die!" "LOW... BATTERYyyyy... *bwoop*"

[@SourelppA]

5:33 That one time? 0-o hm?

[@zara-hope5518]

the lost light crew and scavengers are super funny and goofballs. And a lot of them are cute.

[@DreadForDead]

Just because we want them to be human like, doesn't mean they aren't aliens my man

[@demolishingtank8853]

5:22 basically marvel or DC but robots

[@brawmankerlexterminateurde860]

Toon and anime as well

[@toascranill5464]

“The audience wants them to be hot- I MEAN relatable…” caught in 4k

[@nil981]

Cybertronians as aliens kinda suck. They are basically us but you know, bigger, made of metal, immortal, and just as dumb.

[@cofagrigusfan24]

the Cybertronian evolution is likely a case of Convergent Evolution on a extreme level different creatures, same evolution

[@Slender.E.N]

perhaps it's because, Primus and Unicron are like one, so that's why Cybertronians and Earthlings look Similar and have similar activities, so Saying that Earthlings and Cybertronians are alien to each other is strange looking at it from this perspective

[@calebwright8786]

Primus works in mysterious ways.

[@zdraicalicielo]

Definitely love this topic...The similarities between Transformers and humans used to kinda bother me because I saw it as wasted potential for creating a new and interesting culture. Thing is, I don't think I would have ever gotten into Transformers if it didn't look so human, so there goes that lmao. Regardless, I do feel like as time goes on Hasbro keeps expanding on the differences in Cybertronian culture...which is pretty cool. It helps that the Transformers aren't biological, so they were able to at least start there.

[@Husker.88]

I mean technically speaking to aliens humans are aliens But if aliens were real I wolud want a them to be like Transformers because to me they look way less creepy and act more human

[@brawmankerlexterminateurde860]

And if like this comment was written by a wussy xenophobic *ha* Bub nature and the universe doesn't give a two bradzel about what you want Since Anybody alive can have their own designs and their own biology like they don't have to be human in order to be interesting

[@tred6292]

“Except for that one time.” Queue James (Thomas and Friends) face.

[@BPJD2004]

Emperor Kumquat does have a very good point. Transformers will never not be hot and adorable!

[@cro1884]

I saw it like this: Since transformers were created Before humans/Earth, wouldnt that make humans cybertronian-like? Also, humans literally reside on Unicron who is from their race

[@clownypoundy6834]

I would argue is because transformers started out originally as a Japanese mecha series, which is a genre that has humanoid like robots so there's your explanation. It's not bad thing as long their don't like too human as in anatomy as stuff it's fine. You know the writers could've of written an origin which further explains the humanoid look like for example the transformers were robots built by humans but has because sentient due to them being built from an alien metal which explains why their living organism so their began building their own world which is cybertron as we know it. Like if i'm not a big fan of human looking aliens i would just watch a different franchise.

[@funnyWOMAB7048]

Or just watch the films 😂

[@clownypoundy6834]

@@funnyWOMAB7048 sure that.

[@russellharrell2747]

If transformers weren’t mostly humanoid it would be even more difficult to relate to them and be invested in their story. They already start out as robotic aliens that disguise themselves as cars, planes or everyday technological objects. But if you do want more alien transformers then watch the vehicons from Beast Machines. Admittedly they still have quasi-humanoid forms but it was about as consistently alien as these guys would get.

[@zaneolsen7211]

Have you SEEN AMALGOMOUS PRIME!?

[@empireofitalypsstimfromano5025]

Imagine A Show Where The Entire War Was Protrayed From Before The War To The Aftermath On All Fronts, From All POVs, With Blue Eyed Decepticons, Red Eyed Autobots, Colored Decepticons, With 7+ Seasons, Character Development, No Mary Sues, Deep Explanations To Why The Decepticons And Autobots Hate Eachother, Parts That Show Some Of The Biggest Battles Of The War, Moments From The Comics Brought To The Show Fully Animated, Politics, The Slow Corruption Of The Decepticon Cause, The Destruction Of Entire Cities, Tragic Deaths Of Developed Characters In The Midst Of Battle, The War Being Brought To Earth, The Lives Of Ordinary Civilians, What Happend On The Other Moons, Orion Becoming Optimus Prime, What Happend On Earth, The Humans Getting Slightly Involved, The Humans Not Being Shocked At All And Instead Even Making Memes, Vehicons Being Protrayed As An Actual Threat, Windblade Getting Rekt For A Change, What Happend To The Council, Major Autobot Victories, Guerrilla War Getting Waged By The Autobots On Cybertron While The Autobots On Earth Start To Gain Ground, Humans Sided With The Decepticons For A Change, No Clear Good Vs Bad As There Are Both Bad Autobots And Good Decepticons, Chompazoid Eating People, Minor Human Involvement On Earth, Starscream Getting Shot Down, Soundwave Being A Badass And An Hacker, Some Autobot Defeats Even On Earth For A Change, Autobots Starting To Win, The Complete Corruption Of The Decepticon Cause On Earth, The Fall Of The Decepticons, The End Of The War, Tensions Between Autobots And Decepticons, What Happend To The Council, The End Of Slavery, Peace Between Autobots And Decepticons, The Death Of Soundwave And Finally A Lasting Peace. Wouldn't That Be Cool? Now Imagine A Show Of Only Soundwaves And Shockwaves Wouldn't That Be Cool As Well?

[@austinmorrison6953]

Talking about realism in transformers is like talking about realism in superhero stories.

[@youtubestudiosucks978]

Superheroes are real, but so are supervillains and sometimes it's hard to know who is who because their both superpowered assholes

[@CherrySake]

I almost died at about 1:43 I should make myself a memo to not eat or drink anything while watching your videos; I choked on my cheap ramen. Yesssssssss we want them hot. more Overlord and his nice smoochers.

[@neon_lavander]

Relatable is why the pan up shot of ratchet's thighs in tfp is imprinted into my brain

[@sulphurous2656]

"If god made us in his image... Who made him?" Well, god too apparently.