Transformers - The Bayformers Timeline Is A Chaotic, Incoherent Mess

[@therealloomar]

Edit: For some reason instead of saying NEST, I say UNIT to refer to the human allies. I obviously got a crossed wire between this franchise and Doctor Who, which I've been rewatching recently. Sorry

[@Batvengence66]

I doubt many people really cared about there name to begin with

[@GooberDunk]

Just shows you're passionate about the series you like if you relate them to similar themes or groups from other media.

[@ryanreedgibson]

We almost forgive you. You didn't write the latest transformer movies, did you? Your answer is contingent on whether or not we forgive you!

[@OptimusPrime1025]

Optimus Prime in the TARDIS when

[@Pythagoras180]

This is what happens when you don't care and just do whatever you want with each movie. Kind of what the MCU is doing nowadays.

[@therealloomar]

Ever since the MCU started its multiverse arc it's just gotten incoherent

[@PieroMinayaRojas]

At least the first 3 ones made more sense

[@AgentGodzillaRP1701]

The MCU timeline is still pretty coherent. It’s just the multiverse rules that are convoluted

[@detective2221]

@@AgentGodzillaRP1701 It's not coherent at all.

[@PoIarisPrime]

@@PieroMinayaRojas nah, aoe made sense too

[@Theorymus]

Most of this can be fixed, but that scene in the last knight is impossible to rationalize

[@therealloomar]

I liked your ketamine video

[@bluelobster1389]

“Over 700 pounds of ketamine” classic

[@alecrodriguez5811]

Does that mean TLK isn’t canon?

[@redskull378]

​@@alecrodriguez5811Both that and Aoe

[@ridrahm1]

yup youre getting touched lil bro🫵🫵🫵😹🙏🙏❌❌

[@tritonk1759]

The first three films fit together pretty well, especially with the tie-in comics added in. Age of Extinction gets shaky. The Last Knight fucks everything.

[@therealloomar]

Thing about tie in media is it shouldn't really have to explain stuff. You should be able to watch a movie and fully understand the hows and whys of stuff being in it I do agree that the problems with the first 3 are vastly smaller than what AoE and TLK bring to the table

[@tritonk1759]

@@therealloomar Note the 'especially'; the original Trilogy still works as a Trilogy without the extra stuff.

[@Tahu33446]

The last knight irks me because in the comics yes the quintessans had a had in early cybertronian history before a sort of rebellion if I remember correctly. But to change it to one life form that suddenly wanted optimus back under her control for reasons of yet another mcguffin makes no sense. Plus she had brain washing powers. And what was she doing while the autobots and decepticons were fighting? And how did her dying allow her to become human? Just a butchery of transformers lore.

[@bakl3467]

@@therealloomarohhhhh monsterverse fans ain’t gonna like this.

[@yandoeseverything370]

@@therealloomarI disagree alternative media can give more context or new info that was already established in films

[@sodadrink8363]

i don’t even remotely care about these films but the complete disregard for continuity they show in the last knight genuinely pisses me off

[@therealloomar]

I wasn't as invested after the 4th, but The Last Knight was so terrible it made me consider leaving the theatre

[@PhantomOverlord]

Honestly, if you disregard Age of Extinction and The Last Knight, you can make a pretty coherent timeline.

[@Kaiju-bm4ts]

Not really when you still got continuity errors in the 2nd and 3rd films and the comics don't make things better either

[@jka1216]

@@Kaiju-bm4tsshut up. You taking the movies to serious. People like you piss me off. Relax a little, enjoy the action, explosions, easy to follow plot, Megan Fox, and robots fighting. All but the 5th are stellar movies

[@Kaiju-bm4ts]

@@jka1216 So...people like me that know quality from quantity and want the franchise to be represented through non dumb fun live action films get under your skin?. Boy that shows who can't handle criticism ladies and gentlemen. I can enjoy dumb fun but there's a time and a place for that. As films they're enjoyable as dumb fun but they don't represent the IP correctly and that's valid criticism most fans that know of the franchise can agree with. Only people who watched these films and nothing else TF related would think they're works of art or wouldn't agree with criticisms they don't even know the gist of.

[@witchkingangmar2731]

Thank you the first 3 are realy good

[@The_Story_Of_Us]

Eh…. Nah….

[@natek4488]

I am *SO* happy a video like this exists. One of the biggest grievances with these films is that the continuity is nonexistent. I'm all for expanding on a medias lore, it's one of the reasons I like the transformers brand as a whole, but you can't have it contradict with itself. Also, it seems that the only lore the movies are interested in exploring is the transformers being on earth, when they should be on Cybertron.

[@therealloomar]

One thing that has me interested in Transformers: One is that at least we will see what things are like on Cybertron

[@natek4488]

@therealloomar Or were since it was set before the war even began.

[@thomasturtle7207]

One thing though, while Unicron is a Transformer, he isn’t Cybertronian since his origins have no roots in Cybertron

[@cheesychesnut6416]

Bay didn’t really want a fourth movie. Paramount kinda forced him to

[@therealloomar]

He wanted to come back and do another, as long as he could get Pain and Gain done first. He could have just not come back if he really didn't want to

[@jka1216]

It seems he actually tried with 4. TF4 turned out pretty good. But 5 was just horrible

[@spinosaurusstriker]

​@@jka1216your standards must be very low

[@killer92173]

​@therealloomar and he compared his movies to Peter Jackson's Hobbit Trilogy, which wasn't the best comparison.

[@kingslayerx1716]

@@spinosaurusstrikernah aoe is just overhated

[@Estrela_Politica]

Some explanations, the cube may not be an unlimited energy source, it needs to be rechargeable with star energy. Sentinel and Megatron didn't come to earth because of slaves but because the cube was here.

[@LibraKai]

Well if we go by the tie-in comics and/or how the war was over it, the AllSpark was launched into space AFTER Sentinel left Cybertron, which in turn was after their secret deal

[@scoobsshrooms109]

also, the allspark is the core of cybertron, and it’s usually a target near the end of the war since so many forces were exhausted, the autobots want to prevent the decepticons from using it and the autobots won’t use it because it holds the sparks of all cybertronians and would be like using a huge graveyard to create an army, that’s a bad look and the autobots respect cybertronian history and religion with Primus. So they end up throwing the cube into outer space which ends up sealing the fate of cybertron

[@Apol-Lyon]

For unrelated reasons I was actually discussing this franchise the other day. I was arguing that Disney Star Wars was worse in terms of retcons and shitty worldbuilding, but after this breakdown I think might need to give the inconsistency gold medal to Transformers. Glad you got your channel back btw, keep up the good work.

[@Apol-Lyon]

As a side note, maybe now that you’ve done a few Transformers videos you could do one on how Megatron is basically a different character in every film. In the first one he’s like a bloodlusted warrior and leader of the Decepticons. In the second one he’s a loyal servant and disciple to The Fallen instead of the leader. In the third he’s much weaker and tied for leader/ playing second fiddle to Sentinel. In the fourth he’s back from the dead somehow with a new name and body and he wants to do something with his new army? And in the fifth film he went back to regular Megatron and he’s the leader again only now he’s a loyal servant to a brand new boss. Bonus if you throw in Bumblebee where he’s just nowhere to be found despite his army being in the middle of a war for Cybertron. To say nothing of all the different objectives and mcguffins he’s after in each movie. Could be an entertaining video.

[@therealloomar]

I could make several hours worth of content on how much is wrong with these films

[@Apol-Lyon]

@@therealloomar They really are quite terrible. There’s some fun stuff and a few neat moments; and they aren’t as offensively bad as current Star Wars or Marvel, but they have some pretty abysmal writing. I’d love to see more videos tearing apart those movies, especially since they don’t get talked about very much nowadays compared to the bigger franchisees.

[@shadow-squid4872]

Disney Star Wars has a few flaws here and there (particularly with the sequel trilogy re-writing itself and its characters every single movie) but it is NO WAY on the same level as this franchise, or even other franchises that are known for having retcons like Mortal Kombat. Disney Star Wars in general is only really inconsistent to previous material if you don’t understand the difference between Legends and Disney canon

[@mr.end-game711]

On one hand the Bay-verse films are a franchise that was shown no proper cultivation or care for long term story telling from the get go and the other hand Disney's sequel trilogy was a overall cash grab banking on nostalgia with little to no effort put in other then slapping a Star Wars label on the film and expecting money to never stop rolling in. Transformers was a toy commercial while Star Wars was lighting in a bottle that everybody wanted a pieces of.

[@MrGoofball_64]

"Characters with no characters" And shows shockwave😭

[@therealloomar]

He literally has no character. He's got the same amount of personality as all the random nobodies that show up to get slaughtered in the background

[@Iloveyou-dz7mq]

@@MrGoofball_64 I mean, kickass design, but he really doesn't do anything other than getting angry.

[@djspectrebolt8450]

I mean he doesn't have any character tho, he's just like, stronger than most of the other cybertronians

[@MrGoofball_64]

​@@Iloveyou-dz7mqI know😩

[@McSwirlywirly]

@@djspectrebolt8450he built the robot he has. Wish we had a reboot with the Micheal bay style of graphics. Seriously miss that CGI it just doesn’t hit the same without it and it was impressive for 2007/6

[@SalooBC]

yup, they never gave a shit about keeping continuity, that even persists till today with lorenzo flipping back and forth on whether the new films are in continuity with the bay ones or not, its clear they arent but he will say anything to try and convince people to watch them.

[@therealloomar]

Bumblebee very clearly didn't fit into the Bayverse films, and therefore Rise of the Beasts doesn't either. Maybe Transformers: One, but that's a big maybe

[@ltb1345]

They know those of us who grew up with Bayformers are adults now, and they want to capitalize on our nostalgia.

[@kira-dk2mx]

@@therealloomar It was announced that TF: One is part of its own continuity with no ties to bayformers. The world rejoiced and peace was restored for a single day.

[@kira-dk2mx]

Lorenzo just wants to milk the movies for as long as possible and can't understand why people don't want to sit through three hours of nonsensical bullshit where the robot characters are just window dressing. He really needs to go fuck off before he screws up the Transformers/GI Joe movie.

[@mmouse1301]

​@@kira-dk2mxI heard the Lorenzo guy said it was a prequel to the bay films

[@johnofark]

My head canon is that the 4th and 5th movies are some alt universe. Only way to make sense of this shit show

[@therealloomar]

Yeah I think they were just trying to move away from the past films and it just didn't work at all

[@ltb1345]

Agreed.

[@Iloveyou-dz7mq]

Welcome to the transformers fandom, we pretend that dotm is the final movie and aoe & tlk doesn't exist.

[@PoIarisPrime]

Terrible take ☠️☠️

[@PoIarisPrime]

​@@Iloveyou-dz7mqnope

[@BizarreM]

Fact: Optimus Prime MADE UP his backstory so people would feel bad for him

[@therealloomar]

He's already pretty psycho so adding gaslighter onto his résumé wouldn't surprise me

[@alobaymar]

TRUE..... Im pretty sure Sentinel just revealed the true colors of the Autobots being no better than Decepticons and as violent, but Optimus and his new team was simping so hard for Earth

[@sensevison1464]

my source is i made it the fuck up

[@cheesychesnut6416]

@@alobaymar”Were we so different?”

[@alobaymar]

@@cheesychesnut6416 Ever since Sentinel's disappearence and Optimus taking lead, it's pretty clear things have changed with some autobots tending to get used to his compassion for other life. However although freedom was the right of all sentient beings, Optimus believed in the freedom of life, as Sentinel, the one who proposed the treaty to rebuild Cybertron to the Decepticons and gave Earth an offer before invasion, believed in the freedom of choice. If Optimus were to board the Ark like those other autobots, oh we would so be toast or none of the movies were to happen

[@Iloveyou-dz7mq]

Watching aoe teached me one thing, bayverse humans are lucky af, even how many times they do shit to the autobots, optimus still protects their earth, unless ofcourse if you want to kill prime's human friends.

[@Galvatron_Studios]

Most of us just pretend AOE and TLK are an alternate timeline or not canon at all

[@therealloomar]

Probably the wisest decision

[@alecrodriguez5811]

What’s wrong with AOE timeline wise?

[@Galvatron_Studios]

@@alecrodriguez5811 aside from Chicago, the movie pretends like the rest of the timeline never happens. The Autobots never even reference their time with humans. Not even Sam. Also to this day, many people are still bugged over what exactly happened between the events of DOTM and AOE.

[@PoIarisPrime]

Terrible take

[@PoIarisPrime]

​@@therealloomar you really didn't think when making this did you 😭😭

[@shinndig1293]

What’s honestly even more pathetic is that the IDW tie-in comic adaptations of these movies actually did a better job tellingly/explaining the overarching storylines and lore than the actual movies themselves which REALLY speaks volumes with how little Michael Bay cared about the films he was making.

[@therealloomar]

IDW are the Goats however. Especially after All Hail Megatron and getting their footing firm

[@TheSoundwave920]

I like to think Bayformers ended with Dark of the moon. The 4th and 5th movies are “What if” stories.

[@PoIarisPrime]

Makes no sense but okay

[@phantomhd7889]

Absolutely no. 4 and 5 are part of the trilogy, they do not take place in a different timeline

[@MC-bb8hx]

Same

[@PoIarisPrime]

@@MC-bb8hx why

[@redskull378]

1:56 He had been awake the whole time he had been kept frozen in sector 7.

[@biggsducklighter6171]

So I think Megatron knows English because he was conscious throughout being frozen, that's why he says "I am Megatron," because they'd been calling him NBE-1 for decades. And I think the plan in DotM was improvised after RotF, it was like plan C or D since the Fallen was killed. I figure the Allspark had already been sent out before Sentinel left, and he was going to rendezvous with Megatron on Earth. Using humans as a slave race was what they decided on once Optimus woke Sentinel up. Which IMO is still a stupid plan, maybe it was just to feed their egos.

[@therealloomar]

Maybe he could have been slightly conscious, but he seemed to be frozen solid so I'm not sure And I just don't see the point in the plan. If Megatron's plan was always to get the allspark, then I don't think he'd need sentinel to teleport resources to cybertron, whether it be from earth or any other planet

[@biggsducklighter6171]

@@therealloomar Maybe Sentinel was going to teleport Megatron and the Allspark back to Cybertron. I always thought the deal was just to end the conflict, and Sentinel was going to try and get the rest of the Autobots to fall in line. I'm probably putting way more thought into all this than the writers of the movie lol, I'm sure they just wanted transformers on the moon and for Sentinel to betray Optimus, and didn't care much about the continuity.

[@alecrodriguez5811]

@@biggsducklighter6171No, you’re totally correct.

[@imrbreadstik2665]

Megatons plan with sentinel is absolutely stupid once you realize he said he needed a prime and his matrix when nobody even knew about it in rotf movie when this plan was supposed to be in motion since the fall of cybertron

[@biggsducklighter6171]

@@imrbreadstik2665 I think he meant he needed the Matrix after Sentinel was killed to revive him. Like whatever plan they made on Cybertron didn't involve the Ark getting disabled, Megatron getting stuck on Earth, etc.They only had the means and need to trick Optimus into reviving Sentinel after the thorough defeat in RotF.

[@Nullmeo]

2007 deserved much better sequels. The Fallen’s backstory, Megatron’s relationship with the Fallen, even Sentinel and Optimus’ student-teacher relationship were such interesting ideas. Even powerless Autobots on the run from a Cybertronian bounty hunter and humanity was such a cool idea. And yet the film’s writing treats the Transformers like spectacles instead of actual characters. We rarely had moment when every personality of the Autobots and Decepticons were allowed to shine, and the crappy humans didn’t really help much either. Also on the All Spark portion killing Megatron, the way I understood it was that the cube’s power was simply too much for him. Hell, if you think about it, the Power Stone in the MCU kept on killing anyone who grabbed it back in the first Guardians film. It makes a little sense.

[@therealloomar]

Yeah the 2007 film was a good way to start the franchise. Everything else afterwards was either ok or just awful

[@scoobsshrooms109]

The reason why megatron just stood there letting Sam kill him is because he thought the cube would give him power not kill him

[@radioghost2732]

So the reason I understood for tech in the first movie turning into decepticons is that they had reverse engineered most modern tech from megatron, and when given energy from the allspark it made things with a similar mindset. Cybertronians come with preloaded purposes and they would inherent megatrons values as they were based on him. Could be me just giving to much credit to 1 of my favorite childhood movies though.

[@therealloomar]

That's.... Actually an ok explanation

[@johnofark]

In the comics, it was showed that megatron eats jazz spark

[@therealloomar]

Yeah, it's cool and all, but it's not in the film continuity unfortunately :(

[@Iloveyou-dz7mq]

​@@therealloomarimagine if that was on the film, it's gonna traumatized alot of us in the 2000's lol

[@crushedcan5378]

@@Iloveyou-dz7mq it was part of the script

[@Haispawner]

I can't get enough of how they chose to portray Megatron in 2007, it's so wild and blatantly inspired 2 of my other favourite Megatrons (Animated and Prime). He is robot satan in all but name, he can fly freely, he is bigger and stronger than all the other transformers friend or foe, and he fucking EATS AUTOBOT SOULS like you said. Hugo Weaving was the perfect pick for this version of Megs, a growling menace.

[@someguyyoucanttrust1959]

2 Hot takes - Age of extinction isnt bad (except for one scene) - prime isnt a pyschopath just a broken soldier

[@therealloomar]

- The scene where they talk about why it's ok for this guy to groom the teenage girl is one of the worst scenes in cinema history, and it's in that film, so it's automatically terrible - I'd agree with you if prime just killed them. It's the fact he needs to spout one liners and things like "give me your face" "I'll kill you" "you die" "waste of tin" that shows he takes some sort of glee in it

[@spinosaurusstriker]

​@@therealloomaryes , imagine if captain america was saying those things when he needed to kill in self defence.

[@jospehpenn3033]

​@therealloomar ehhhhh not really that'd kinda a stretch, in all those lines in no where does he sound happy or filled with "glee" he either sounds exhausted or really pissed, especially in the fight where he gets jumped in the forest.

[@scoobsshrooms109]

@@spinosaurusstriker he doesn’t say lines while fighting often but he does throw people from a flying ship 30,000 feet in the air

[@Ghostclad4664]

Good thing this whole dumpster fire ended before they started goinn into multiverse bs

[@therealloomar]

And then Rise of the Beasts started making time travel noises

[@happynihilist2573]

@@therealloomar "wibbly wobbly"

[@Samuel_Loegan]

@@therealloomar dear God I hope not. I know ROTB wasn't really that good and well received, but I already like it the way it is

[@QTG128]

there are people who wanted to see the sequel to The Last Knight. If that movie isn't as a trash as it is then i can understand it. But hell nah, Bayverse is dead

[@Samuel_Loegan]

@@QTG128 exactly, ppl should leave it be

[@danielmedela8725]

To be fair, Unicron is not a cybertronian, but the devil to the god of Transformers (Primus) but agreed with everything else.

[@BlueboiiiTheNerd]

Y'know, I'm glad the Transformers movies got rebooted with Bumblebee and ROTB.

[@Iloveyou-dz7mq]

rotb just fucks everything up, bumblebee started really good, and for some reason, instead of being as good as the first knightverse movie, rotb is just as boring as tlk, and that's the worst sin in a transformers movie ever, being as boring as tlk. I feel bad because the director seems like a great guy.

[@Kaiju-bm4ts]

​@@Iloveyou-dz7mq *Looks at Lorenzo causing Steven to leave the franchise cause the 2 got into a argument* Ever wondered why rotb feels so different from how it was suppose to be? Blame a certain producer...

[@DavidBlaiseSGaela]

​@@Kaiju-bm4tsyeah i agree i hate "him" so much for what he did.

[@tritonk1759]

And we got two awful films as a result.

[@Kaiju-bm4ts]

@@tritonk1759 Good joke. We got 1 film (bumblebee) that decided to be original for once after 4 sequels kept copying the formula of the first 07 film and another new film (rotb) that also copied those said 4 sequels and the 07 film as a bonus. The bayverse killed itself the moment it overstayed it's welcome

[@Iloveyou-dz7mq]

At the end of the day, bayformers are just fun action pop corn movies. If you're gonna watch bayverse movies, dont expect groundbreaking story, but expect some kickass robots fucking each other. But ofcourse if you want decent story, highly recommend watching knightverse (idk if i can recommend rotb tho lol).

[@Kaiju-bm4ts]

Rotb is basically a bayverse film if it tried to focus on story more than bay's first film. But a better recommendation would basically be most of the franchise as most of the franchise actually puts more work into lore and storytelling

[@PrimeZilla0630]

or watch Transformers Animated, And Beast Wars, or read More Than Meets the Eye.

[@Iloveyou-dz7mq]

@@PrimeZilla0630 if we're talking about transformers movies, knightverse all the way.

[@spinosaurusstriker]

I hate this mentality , like the movies watever you want but don't excuse them, you can have a pop corn flick that is also decent like guardians of the galaxy and the first jhon wick both with several action scenes and a solid plot and the people who are paid millions of dollars should do that, the transformers franchise is lower in the bottom of the barrel when it takes to writting and its a shame that it got rewarded for it and now it sips to the new continuities because it was succesfull before , the knightverse would be a decebt recomendation if it was just the bumblebee movie because thats the only one with knight having most of the involvment and if we count rise of the beast then im sorry bu i don't knowmhow people think this thing is good , rise of the beast is on par with transformers 2 in levers of writting and mediocre in action probably because of the dumb idea someone had to insert gazillion character into a short movie with barely any development and a new world ending scenario that is wasted . Its a shame that bumblebee is the only good tf movie , being the others that people consider good ok or mediocre at best , tf1 and tf3

[@Iloveyou-dz7mq]

@@spinosaurusstriker hey, I'm just saying, if you expect epic story go to knightverse, don't go to bayverse unless if you want big robot fights. My comment is not meant to offend anyone or attack anyone, I'm just saying. Bayverse trilogy is good because of their fights, knightverse is good because of the story. I'm going to turn into a truck now, urg urg argh argh argh.

[@BronyLord-wo1ym]

Folks saying that humanity has no reason to turn against The Autobots regardless of what happened in Chicago, But i strongly disagree. Humans turning on the autobots is quite a realistic thing to do. Yes! Decepticons were the ones that Revenged Chicago, But one autobot traitor was behind the attack. That of course being Sentinel Prime. He's responsible & the reason why Autobots were backstabbed by humans. Again this is quite a realistic situation. I honestly doubt humans could ever trust the autobots again since because "Sentinel Prime" an autobot traitor was behind all the plans. Not all people turned on the autobots, Some had common sense and Said hey, what happened back in chicago truly was not The Autobots fault. Optimus Prime never actually knew his former mentor would betray him, nor did not expect humans to turn on them after chicago's destruction & hunt him down along side with his fellow autobots. would you have turn on The Autobots after what happened to chicago Yes or No? Why or Why Not?

[@JBomb692]

I think the biggest loss from these films was the fact that we never got to see Optimus’s smaller awesome son hit the griddy

[@thebiggeridiot]

yeah...i'm really glad bumblebee rebooted the franchise and killed that old timeline

[@therealloomar]

I was optimistic with Bumblebee Rise of the Beasts soured things a little bit

[@redshot5403]

@@therealloomaragreed, why do they keep shoehorning humans?

[@lillordakira9752]

My theory on Alice is that she was a real human girl who was killed after a shapeshifting decepticon took her identity to get close to Sam.

[@zente3003]

"Did they get sick leave ?" Hey now, cyber corrosion ain't nothing to scoff at

[@therealloomar]

Look if they're not getting their 401K then why should I blame them for just sitting on the moon?

[@lordzedd343]

This video perfectly sums up why I roll my eyes at people bitching about the aligned continuity. The aligned timeline has faults but no where near as bad as the bayformers

[@therealloomar]

The thing about the aligned continuity is that no one was really bothered about making it one big continuity. The people making those pieces of media weren't talking to each other and were just doing their own thing Meanwhile these films were all directed by Bay and I'm pretty sure some of the writers were present throughout each movie, so I've got no idea why it's so terrible

[@qwerty975]

I mean at least Aligned tries. Only Cybertron games and Transformers Prime. Rid and other stuff is for kids so just ignore it.

[@bphater31]

Agreed. This is why bayformers and Bumblebee movie reboot are different. The most nonsense is In bayformers Unicron is Earth but In rotb Unicron trying to eat Earth..... So Unicron was trying to eat himself? Ridiculous nonsense. So like I said. Bumblebee movie and rotb are reboots. No connection with bayformers. Movie 1,2,3. It's own universe. Movie 4,5. It's own universe. Reboot movie 1,2. It's own universe. This is how it should be.

[@therealloomar]

But the guy in charge keeps trying to insist that all of them are connected to each other, which is hilarious

[@hiattgrey9161]

@@therealloomar Lorenzo doesn't even know what he is talking about.

[@baron4718]

I like how the comics tie things together 2007 and ROTF. Although the Allspark can create life, its powers aren't unlimited. It created the Primes to go to other star systems to generate fuel to recharge it and keep making Cybertronians. The Allspark crashed on Earth because it was drawn to the last Star Harvester in existence. The comics also clarify that the Prime war and the Autobot/Deception one were two different conflicts. Megatron was coerced into starting his by an imprisoned Fallen whispering ideas of grandeur in his ears. There's a lot of potential for a good story with these movies. It's just a shame they didn't have the team needed to make it all coherent.

[@kr0nekxg347]

im glad someone acknowledged that jazz could've came back

[@tyronleung5276]

What about iron hide

[@tyronleung5276]

They didn't bring him back cause he's the oy black coded transformer who isn't a minstrel stereotype like skids and mud flap

[@kr0nekxg347]

@@tyronleung5276 HIM TOOO! I LUVED IRONHIDE

[@chasethemaster3440]

Ok my headcanon is that the original plan was to meet on earth to get the allspark and use it to make a army and use the bridge to transport them to cybertron to rebuild the star harvester was clearly a continency plan since the allspark was sent out into space seemingly to be lost forever so megatron made a deal with the fallen whom is probably the only one who knows how to make another allspark the star harvester and by extension energon is clearly the main resource to make a allspark and at the time the allspark was lost it made the most sense to use it but then on their way to earth they detected the allspark so the plan changed to getting it after the events of the first movie the allspark was gone for real this time so the plan went back to using the star harvester but then that was destroyed so now they had nothing so they decided to just enslave humans ykw i didn’t notice until after i made the comment that I left out anything about aoe and tlk lol

[@FrancisL4D]

I have a theory. Every movie re introduces the human characters and the transformers like we have never seen them before. The movies seam to be built like anyone can watch them without watching others, So people wouldn't be confused if they started with the later ones, Kinda episodic. Would also explain why the lore changes every movie. Or micheal bay had robo dimentia🤷‍♂️

[@kipkipper-lg9vl]

Megatron is a genuinely heroic fiqure if you take away the mustache twirling villain antics

[@ltb1345]

He wants to save his world, yeah, but it's still at the expense of ours.

[@therealloomar]

Nah, he's a power hungry lil bitch

[@Iloveyou-dz7mq]

On one hand, he just wants to go home, he wants to save Cybertron, on other hand, he's gonna fuck the earth.

[@kipkipper-lg9vl]

@@therealloomar low IQ take tbh

[@kipkipper-lg9vl]

@@ltb1345 that is what makes him based, he is willing to do whatever for his own people instead of just grandstanding on some dogooder philosophy

[@vincentcastor5978]

Thank you for explaining this mess. Towards the end there it was no longer a Transformers movie. Hasbro threw their hands in the air and were like what are we supposed to do with this? Transformers was supposed to be about the toys first. What a lost opportunity to bring in some cool new caricatures.

[@RandomizationShow]

Just came to say the thumbnail is hilarious and I hope this blows up

[@therealloomar]

"Thank you kind sir" - I say in my best Oblivion Beggar impression

[@supwumbo6621]

Optimus doesn’t use the cube to make his own army because the movie tells us earlier that all technology is derived from megatron, and it’s proved when the phone is brought to life

[@fearlesscozmo3039]

9:04 a second comment cuz why not but the all speak was needed. They had 3 ways of making transformers back on their home planet. Either through the allspark as the main method and then the sun harvesting for other needs and why the fallen wanted to destroy earth so badly is because he knew earth was unicorn but the others was blinded by the humans to see that. Also to be built was the 3rd way a transformer could be built.

[@exsplosive_megalodon]

I guess Megatron ai is faster in connecting to the internet or it actually has been connected all along which is why he can speak english on spot 🤣

[@trillspace]

i like to think that when sentinel was running he was running with decepticons & the little ships that where chasing where auto bots found out his betrayal

[@brmawe]

Imo if Transformers ended with Dark Of The Moon I think wouldn't be so hard on it and the timeline stuff too. Great vid 👌

[@DanielMatthew89]

Everything you said in this video is 100% true, but the first 3 movies will always be my childhood 😅

[@therealloomar]

I enjoy the first 3 as well

[@PhillipOnTakos]

In terms of in Revenge of the Fallen they do sorta explain why the other hidden cybertronians don't do anything. Jetfire needed the fragment to jumpstart him. He seemed to be in a coma of some kind. So while yes there a mountain of issues that surprisingly is one the movie does give a small explanation for.

[@therealloomar]

While I agree for Jetfire, he was also incredibly old, needing the extra energon to function. I can't imagine that every single other Cybertronian Simmons shows off would be in the exact same condition

[@hiimchrisj]

Cybertron showing up in TLK irritates the hell out of me not because of the fact that it’s current condition makes sense, but because of the fact that this means that the planet could self propel at speeds so fast that it can travel light years to Earth in a matter of a few years while basically destroyed. If it could do that what the hell was even the point of the Pillars and the apparently decades long plan to get Cybertron to Earth in DOTM?

[@danielgeronimo5538]

After learning the lore from G1, honestly the AllSpark is the one that killed the Bayverse TF continuity. Because the story just keeps changing every single time, and also changing the reasons why the Cybertronian wars exist.

[@shadowleon659]

Transformers The Last Knight was easily the worst of the franchise. I'm talking Resident Evil The Final Chapter levels of terrible and unwatchable.

[@therealloomar]

Don't disrespect Resident Evil: The Final Chapter like that (it's still a shit film but at least the aspect ratio of that film doesn't constantly change and give me motion sickness)

[@anthonyt5]

4:14 The Seekers are ancient. It should be clear that all of them met the same fate Jetfire did before Sam revived him. "The Fallen? I know him, he left me here to rust!" They all were abandoned by the Fallen with only a riddle for their quest. Stranded on Earth, they fell into a coma/stasis lock without a proper source of energy. They could not participate in Mission City on account of being literally half dead.

[@JeditheScribe]

That Transformer that you keep showing footage of being dropped into the ocean is not Jazz, it’s Megatron.

[@therealloomar]

I'm aware. Because they dropped all the transformers into the ocean and that's the only scene they have to show it

[@alexanderadriance699]

Jazz got his spark eaten by Megatron after being ripped in half, they didn’t show it in the movie because it was too dark but I believe they showed it in comics

[@Thrillhousethedud]

It's like that sat around a table and someone said "How about Transformers mixed with medieval characters?" and then just pieced the story around that idea. No long term story plans were ever made.

[@suruxstrawde8322]

This just reminds me of how it's both incredibly easy and incredibly complex to create a coherent transformers story cause I have one of my own that fuses multiple continuities seamlessly. In my version-- • Cybertron is Primus •Primus is the original progenitor species and doesn't turn into a giant humanoid, but is In fact a radiophagic space magic amoeba from a parallel dimension with different energy physics (explaining the space magic) . • Unicron is his brother . • Their kind are living metallic planetoids that feed on natural planets for their radioactive materials. . • Primus chose to orbit a star for a peaceful existence as he created cybertronians, forcing himself into a gradual reduction of energy over time until he became chronically asleep. . • Cybertronians are in fact modeled after humans, but prehistoric ones, and this was because primus, in his words, "just finds them neat". . • Cybertronians are biological at their cores, but also carry space magic ghosts to their life forces due to the physics of the materials primus made them with. . • Cybertronian physiology is essentially dual form metal origami but a living organism that feeds on radioactive material/rays the way their father does. . --- It's a fusion of multiple lores, grounded in as much real science as possible, and the goal of the entire thing is to do what the current "aligned" continuity can't.

[@anthonyt5]

3:16 The war between The Fallen and his era of Decepticons vs The Primes and their followers (Battle for the Matrix) is different from the later civil war that Megatron started and was far shorter too. That one ended with The Fallen fleeing Earth crippled, the Matrix hidden with the death of The Primes and the Seekers being doomed on Earth to find their tomb as an eternal fetch quest. Kinda the same way you wouldn’t say WWII was started in WWI but members of the first one participated and / or caused the events of the second.

[@kolkagaming1234]

I think we should keep in mind that Transformers doesn’t have that type of Canon like the likes of FNAF, Kirby & Mega Man. Transformers type of Canon is a bit like Super Mario.

[@therealloomar]

What do you mean? I'm not trying to use the canon from other continuities to explain what I don't like about the movies I'm using the material that was presented in the films to explain why their Worldbuilding sucks

[@Arturo-jx4ff]

Wasn't Megatron the one who was thrown to the ocean?

[@mmrproductions3176]

The first film is the only one I think is good, DOTM was okay, the rest for me range from mediocre to downright awful

[@therealloomar]

That's pretty much how I rank them as well

[@spinosaurusstriker]

I would say that 2007 is ok and tf3 is mediocre . People forget the parts outside the action eho are pretty meh on this movies , it shoudn't be

[@johnevans8533]

Some time ago, Hollywood discovered that an incoherent film makes similar profit to a coherent film, so they often don't care about plot coherence.

[@Bryndor_]

Many people say that the Last Knight isn’t canon to the first three movies, but there’s a scene in the climax of TLK that disapproves this. When Cybertron is approaching Earth, we can see it scrape off pieces of the moon, revealing the Ark from the third movie. Then, we see some of it hit the pyramid of Egypt where the Star Harvester was in the second movie. So, like it or not, the fifth movie IS canon to the trilogy (and by extension, AOE).

[@6shot9]

Imagine if they actually stuck with what the comics and toy bios set up for the lore during the first 3 movies

[@ZaneKnoxx]

The most likely reason as to why they didn't revive jazz is because Optimus Prime knew he wanted to buy time for the rest of the autobots to save more citizen, and to prevent more people from dying. Jazz decided to go up against Megatron to help his allies defeat Megatron, and since Optimus knew it was his choice. He let him rest in peace instead of reviving him, because back then, he wasn't a psychopathic murder who loves ripping enemies faces off

[@therealloomar]

But... But he still would have sacrificed himself to buy everyone some time If he got revived, it's not like Megatron would've won. The autobots still defeated him. Just now they could bring their dead friend back to life But they just leave him turn in two lmao

[@somerandomhater490]

Action and cgi are the only thing that I like about these movies. One thing that I did remember from rise of the beast was that woman weren’t heavily sexualized ONCE. Literally the opening of TF 3 2 mins. What do I see. ASS

[@Arthus850]

I remember during the first three movies I defended them for saving the Transformers franchise from disappearing into obscurity. Then came 4 and 5, and I couldn’t defend them anymore. I actually started to believe obscurity was the better option. At least then the few people who still knew about it would genuinely love it instead of a huge amount of people knowing Transformers as mess of a series with incoherent plot and instantly thinking the TV shows and comics must be just as bad. Thank goodness for the reboot movies. And yes Lorenzo di Bonaventura, Bumblebee, Rise of the Beasts, and Transformers One are reboots. Their directors said as much. Nobody can justify them being prequels.

[@The-e8p]

To be fair about the corpses, the Order of the Witwikans would have covered up anything people found.

[@DrewLSsix]

As far as Megatron speaking English, they do establish early on that hes jot complete inactive in the ice, he imprints coordinates on wikidiwikidywacks glasses, and thats after thousands of years of being frozen, its almost certain that he had some degree of awareness all those decades he was being studied, and people would have been talking in his presence the whole time.

[@gg_sam7847]

I really liked the Empire Wreckers video on this franchise, I think everyone should give it a watch

[@TheZamaron]

I think it was fine for the first 3, Transformers fans can piece it together. THe Allspark somehow exists, it brought life to the Transformers. In fact the movie comics actually flesh it out more and make a prety unique and interesting backstory for the films. It's TF4 where it started actually getting messy, but at least we can just say the "Creators" simply used the Seed devices to make the metal I assume from the organic creatures around the Earth, then the Allspark brought that metal somehow to life. It's TF5 where it gets complicated because by this point it contradicts even the movie comics, or at the very least they give us potential new details by Quintessa who I assume is the leader of the "Creators", or was at one point, the problem comes down to not giving us enough info to actually place roughly chronologically when the Knights and Quintessa happened, and even then the Knights call her "The Great Deciever", meaning what she says may just be lies or half truths. Mor emovie comics or a TF 6 could have hopefully set the rcord straight, but by now it's too late, so it's up to your own headcanon how it all fits together. I've rationalized a decent headcanon, but alot of it involves adding my own personal details pulled from other Transformers media.

[@drayreign0391]

Megatron was able to be revived because he still had his spark, jazz couldn't because Megatron ate his spark

[@BSGA22]

I only ever saw the first Transformers.

[@therealloomar]

So your soul wasn't destroyed watching a bunch of racist robots travel around Egypt, or a scene where a grown man explains in detail about why it's ok for him to date underage teenagers

[@alecrodriguez5811]

@@therealloomarYou’re vastly mischaracterizing the Romeo & Juliet law scene. When you actually analyze the scene, you find there’s nothing wrong with it.

[@moffe5241]

@@therealloomar Skids and Mud flap were pretty funny characters. I can see why some people might take offense to them but I don't think it should have been blown as much out of proportion as it was.

[@permabeaned4578]

It's the tragedy of the transformer movies when directed by Bay. Call them godzilla movies but with robots instead because really you just grab popcorn and watch the explosions.

[@therealloomar]

The special effects and action sure is something to appreciate

[@Kaiju-bm4ts]

Calling them godzilla films is a bit of a insult to godzilla films 😂, at least godzilla's franchise can be both dumb fun and have good writing without completely misunderstanding the IP itself.

[@AM-sj5vr]

@@Kaiju-bm4ts 1998 but oh well

[@Kaiju-bm4ts]

@@AM-sj5vr meanwhile transformers has the equivalent of 5 godzilla 1998s....

[@spinosaurusstriker]

​@@Kaiju-bm4ts...man , you are right , the horrid designs and the misuse of the characters.

[@BrushedRanger]

I grew up with bayverse but GOD IM GLAD BAYVERSE IS OVER Please lets move on let directors Write new stories And characters

[@naintham5849]

About unicron and primus, (yes cybertron is a live bot) they are siblings. They are basically Gods created along time and space, and tge all spark is basically Primus 'heart' and he is the one that gives life. Unicron is the one that brings death. Basically, really resumed, like a lot. That's why I went in love crazily when I found there was more than bayverse. ❤

[@3Rayfire]

If Michael Bay had zero respect for the Transformers lore and history it would be an improvement. It is absolutely incorrect however to say that Unicron is a Cybertronian. That's like calling the planet Mars an Earthling. He's a Transformer, but he's the Transformers Devil. Actually more than that. The Devil in Christianity is pale imitator and former servant of God. The Starscream to a benevolent Megatron. Unicron is an equal to Primus the Transformers God. If God had an evil twin, then he's Unicron.

[@user-db4fy5ji8e]

Loomar: Why didn't The Autobots built Jazz a new body is still intact spark into it instead of dropping him in the ocean? Yeah they could have done that if Megatron hadn't eaten it!!! Yes the scene was deleted because it was too violent but The fact they never try to repair his body and and use the cube. Sliver reviving or transplant his spark into a new body pretty much prove it happened. Just like how optimist was late to the final battle in the first movie because of a fight with barricade that was cut from the movie for pacing issues.

[@Yeti-jj3dt]

This would be fine and all if it weren't for the fact that megatron's spark is destroyed by the allspark and optimus has his spark destroyed by megatron in ROTF which means clearly sparks mean jackshit.

[@user-db4fy5ji8e]

@@Yeti-jj3dt well I was making a joke about the one revival method that has a cannon explanation... but if you really want to go down the rabbit hole, The franchise has a precedent for Abnormal Sparks (like G1 Starscream being able to come back as a ghost which, was later explained in Beast Wars as, being caused by a mutant spark) And phrases "like one with the allspark" or "one with the matrix" do tend to Pop up in various continuities whenever a transformer dies so it's possible that primes in the bayvers do indeed "become one with the matrix" And their spark can regenerate and or reignite when The matrix is placed in their chest... As for Megatron's head not being as dead as the humans thought. And being able to supply them with The technology build him a new body... I don't know. Maybe he has some sort of binary spark system or something and half of his spark is in his head or something... There are a couple of transformers with spark Chambers housed in the head In the bayvers, And I suppose a binary spark could explain how Megatron keeps turning into Galvatron in so many continuities... And in the words of Matt, Pat and his successors... But, hey! That's just a theory, a film theory! Thanks for reading!

[@ToxicBalloon360]

It's hilarious that the inconsistencies/contradictions/contrivances literally start with the second movie. This series never had a chance to begin with and its only saving graces were the CGI and music.

[@pinbox5814]

Aw hell nah they gave Optimum Pride dimentia! 😭😭

[@therealloomar]

It's another problem he has besides his fetish for heads

[@enemy-steel]

jazz stayed dead because Megatron ate his spark no spark no revive at least that's my headcannon

[@therealloomar]

While I can agree with the sentiment, it doesn't happen in the movie, only the 3rd party media, so I can't take that info as a solid explanation

[@InTerGaLact1cNoB0dy]

Transformers, X-Men, and the Sony Spider-Man spin-off Verse are the Big 3 of Chaotic/inconsistent movie franchises

[@Mario-s5z3o]

3:45 this is simple to explain fossilization or what ever happens to decomposing cybertrpnian skeletons

[@_birdie]

Legit still love the first one. Yeah there was too much focus on the humans (except for Bernie Mac. Hell, there wasn’t ENOUGH focus on him haha) but other than all that, the movie was still pretty great + entertaining.

[@OneUp-18]

While the movies might not be amazing at times, the comic and videogame lore for the movies was pretty killer. Then again, movie videogames usually have a goofy and fun story

[@kueilin808]

Megatron still have consciousness during the frozen in manga.

[@sergeantdarthraptorthewise702]

The only possible explanation is that each movie takes place in a different timeline where some but not all events of the previous movies happened. Also in the first movie, when Optimus catches Sam when he falls, the allspark is closer to his chest than when Sam kills Megatron with it, so shouldn't it have killed Optimus then ?

[@therealloomar]

Yeah actually, the allspark was next to Optimus' and Bumblebee's chests several times. Why wouldn't the allspark try and go into them?

[@thebatmanofneo-gotham5667]

The worldbuilding in the Transformers movies has always been a disorganized smorgasboard, but The Last Knight REALLY takes the cake in just how much of a shit show the lore in these movies was. The first film had a simple plot about the Allspark, and that was okay. But now we're dealing with Sun Harvesters, Pillars, Transformium, and now Quintessa? Like, WTF?

[@vain3207]

4:19 That is a great question and i wonder why 🤔 🤔

[@Blackout201_]

The films are a mess but it's funny how the points you chose to talk about from the 1st film are some that can easily be explained. For example Megatron speaks English because he was conscious all the time but unable to function and move properly due to being frozen. Also the Cube killed him because they shoved it into his own spark or whatever it's called that's located at their chest. No idea why but apparently that area is highly sensitive.

[@FTMSimba]

Not only could the autobots use the allspark to revive jazz also one movie later optimus prime had the matrix of leadership aswell which he offered to sentinel prime TO HAVE HE DECLINED knowing he’d betray the autobots.

[@snowblind9551]

Giving sentient beings life just to force them to fight your war is literally the most un-Optimus Prime, un-Autobot- unheroic thing I can imagine.

[@MegaRaccoon1701]

2007-2011 was the TRUE period of the Bayverse

[@seth3491]

because michael bay stopped caring about the continuity

[@therealloomar]

Did he ever really care in the first place?

[@witchkingangmar2731]

Megatron is Jesus he has rising 2 times

[@tgmtraptic]

It was left out but Megatron ate jazzs spark so that why he couldn't come back

[@supwumbo6621]

The creators made them but the cube gave them life

[@ViperPilot16]

The first 3 mesh together really well, 4 and 5 barely mesh together by themselves. Nevermind the first 3.

[@jackmclaughlin9602]

Great video but when you said the Autobot and Decepticon war was started by the Fallen it wasn’t the war the Fallen started was likely a different one