Transmission Gets Removed For a Bit Of Investigation!

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[@MitzvosGolem1]

All good . Every mechanic can overlook things . If They claim they don't they are liars. Been a mechanic since 1975.

[@electrake2063]

Two things, the cogging you are feeling can also be if you turn the input shaft in the wrong direction and you’re meshing the gears on the backside. The other thing is the glitter you are seeing could be the synchro material that also gets liberated in the oil and generally is not a problem. So using a magnet to catch the glitter may have been a good idea to see if it was ferrous or not.

[@Michael-yi4mc]

No pilot bearing is a new age of a disposable car era.

[@michaelszczys8316]

I see it as a clear - cut case of ' Baby Huey logic ' An old cartoon show of Casper the Ghost ( I believe it was Harvey comics ) had a character of a huge baby duckling with an I.Q. of around .05. A fox was always trying to make him a giant duck dinner and was always fast talking him into something to which Baby Huey would say " DUH, that sounds logical " So for the new transmissions instead of having a hard time pulling those wiped- out pilot bearings, now mechanics can have a much easier time changing the entire transmission - " DUH, that sounds logical ! "

[@glennfields8121]

It's easy to 'beat yourself up' thinking that you might have missed something but as you periodically say "know one is perfect, we all make mistakes". Good job brother Kenny!

[@greggc8088]

I worked as a tech at Toyota my first 10 years starting back in 92 and after leaving there was surprised to find other manufacturers had pilot bearings in their FWD vehicles. And we did get good at replacing bearings in those Toyota manuals. It was a gravy job for us.

[@theclockmaker633]

Hondas from 2000 to around 2005ish are notorious for destroing input shaft bearings, despite having a pilot bearing. I just replaced the input shaft bearing in my 2004 Honda Fit and the same noise went away. Doing this in front of the block was not eazy but by far the hardes part was puting the rear motor mount in place.

[@maui6446]

I appreciate you your humility. Tough one with not being able to drive it before. Loved the glitter show!

[@johnbeckett2624]

Hey Kenny, don't feel to bad about it, had you got the car before the wrong clutch was fitted you would have noticed the racket the gearbox was making as you drove it in but as it was the thing was making so much noise with the the wrong clutch plate jumping over the splines you were never going to here the noise from the gearbox.

[@michaelszczys8316]

This is true, kind of like not hearing the light rod knock over the din of the clattering valve train.

[@ForCrynOutLoud]

How do you know what he would or would not notice? I'm sure Kenny appreciates the tongue bath, but you are spouting nonsense.

[@johnbeckett2624]

@@ForCrynOutLoud And as far as mechanics are concerned I would suggest that you don't know what you are talking about.

[@samfeldman1508]

I appreciate and admire your willingness to show your mistakes. I probably learn just as much and as a creator it’s not easy to show your blunders. Kudos.

[@WrenchingWithKenny]

I'm not perfect. I want people trying to learn & see that jobs go sideways on everyone. Thanks for your kind words & watching the channel. Keep wrenching 🔧

[@ericd7532]

I once worked on a car that had a clutch release problem. The parts were brand new and correct. After the second failed install I decided to test parts. I put the pressure plate in my hydraulic press to check its operation. With the pressure plate compressed i saw it....a shard of metal about the size of a grain of rice, was lodged under one of the spring fingers preventing proper movement.

[@michaelszczys8316]

When it cones to ' no pilot bearing ' I can't help but think of a friend of my older brother back when I was a teen and working on his car they always sent me under for transmissions, driveshafts, etc. This one time he wanted me to put in his four- speed and I noticed the was no big Chevy ' donut ' pilot bushing in the crank. I told him and he just gave me a lot of harassment like he always did. ( I didn't like him ) then he gave me a bushing that looked like a skinny starter bushing. I told him that wouldn't work and he gave me more harassment, so I slipped it on the end of the input shaft and installed the trans. Some time later I heard him telling my brother how sometime when he got a quick slamming shift his whole car would vibrate tremendously and the speedo would almost shake out of the dash. It mystified him , and it also mystified him as to why I was laughing.

[@ewconway]

I love the glitter show too. Wow 😮

[@dennislyon5412]

Hopefully the replacement transmission doesn’t exhibit the same issue, once installed.

[@eyerollthereforeiam1709]

Wow, the 'clutch' car is the gift that keeps on giving!

[@SeanBZA]

Still cheaper than automatic, and VW golf transmissions often enough, on the MK1 versions, will do 2 million miles with no problems at all. Those hardly ever fail, unlike all the auto boxes that die and need a rebuild or replacement. Just a cheap clutch every so often, and a known failure of the firewall cracking around the clutch pedal, which has aftermarket cables, pedals and brace kits to fix it as well. $5 for the kit of parts to make the linkages work like new as well, and away you go for the next few years.

[@michaelszczys8316]

A lot like wheel bearings, they can still be real tight and have no really noticeable roughness, but yet when they are spinning with weight, any breakdown of the bearing surface can get pretty noisy. I can see how it could get by you.

[@timewa851]

If he had a chance to run it before all this another transaxle or bearing would've been ordered with the clutch. That trans is/was DONE.

[@bobby9195]

Good morning Mr Kenny. It's Saturday and hope y'all are having a great start on your weekend 😊.Thank you for this video sir, please let Mrs Kenny know I said hello 😅

[@markhuyette8509]

Welcome to my world 🌍 my father got killed when I was 11 years old and he told me something I would never forget welcome to the school of hard knocks you probably know that school as hard as you work keep up the good work making informed videos and have a blessed day you and your family 🙏

[@stephenmeeks684]

As I understand it, the car came in with a noisy clutch. You repaired the noisy clutch. There was no mention in the original repair video, as far as I remember, of a problem with the transmission.

[@ForCrynOutLoud]

So you think the customer is qualified to diagnose clutch/transmission problems? What does Kenny always say about the customer telling the shop what's wrong? If the customer says it's the trans but it's actually the driveshaft universals that is the problem what do you fix, the trans or the driveshaft? Blaming the customer is a lame cop out.

[@stephenmeeks684]

@@ForCrynOutLoud No, FCOL, but the customer had the car towed in, because the clutch and transmission were making noise. The clutch was the first thing approved by the customer for repair. Wrenching said he did not think the trans was bad until the clutch was replaced.

[@alanm8932]

KZbin *Gold* ... _It is what it is. What are you going to do?_ _Things happen! What are you going to do?_ _What are you going to do? Things happen!_ Hope I get to use these myself some time but not too soon! I would be as likely to suspect the replacement gearbox as the old one, based on the noise they made. The glitter looks like the only solid lead but how unusual is that? If you grind the gears (inattentive clutch on gear change) 20 times in the gearbox life, isn't that going to cause some glitter? It sounds like it would.

[@harveypaxton1232]

Normally the input shaft does not go all the way through the transmission with a bearing on either end. Possibly why it doesn't have a pilot bushing/bearing?

[@nigeleveratt2626]

most front wheel drive boxes the shafts run taper bearings with preload to keep them running true. After a while bearing wear allows the shafts to float hence the noise and rough feel

[@stevecmason-rs6vf]

Kenny it came in and was diagnosed as an incorrectly fitted clutch. It's not unreasonable to assume you've found the answer to the problem. When possible, I ask the customer to give me an outline of noises and symptoms relating to the problem they have. It sometimes gives you information to say, hold on, there's more to this than meets the eye. If you follow the process to an extended assessment, you'd fix every thing that was wrong on the vehicle. Great video, you're a great mechanic, keep on wrenching!

[@ForCrynOutLoud]

Kenny doesn't like it when a customer tells him what's wrong because he is actually the professional and doesn't trust a non-professional's opinion as he has said many times.

[@stevecmason-rs6vf]

@ForCrynOutLoud I didn't say that the customer tells him what's wrong. Just ask for more info. Read the posting!

[@ForCrynOutLoud]

@@stevecmason-rs6vf "Follow the process to an extended assessment, you'll fix everything that was wrong on the vehicle" What kind of crap is that? Where are you a mechanic at so I know to avoid getting my car fixed there? I want my car fixed without the word salad.

[@stevecmason-rs6vf]

@ForCrynOutLoud some of us are educated, employ people, and run a successful business. Read and learn!

[@ForCrynOutLoud]

@@stevecmason-rs6vf 'some of us are educated, employ people, and run a successful business'. I notice you said 'some of us', as in not including you. You are too big of a coward to say where you do your 'mechanical expertise' work, at least say which state you are in or will I smell the bull crap when I am near? You think that being condescending makes you a big man but your strong suit seems to be arrogance.

[@robertoruiz7069]

Hi KENNY,thanks for that vid.I like watching a lot of your videos,this one is great in that you make a slight mistake but are confident enough of your skills to include it ,and show that on some of the new FWD cars you must be more vigilant.This makes the point that the clutch plate itself should be balanced better.I will look for that in my car next time.

[@donames6941]

I dont think you did anything wrong without being able to drive it first like i said b4 that may have been why it was at other shop and that took it as a clutch noise

[@robertdiehl9003]

Excellent video. Awesome analysis.

[@ForCrynOutLoud]

I've never heard of backpedaling referred to as 'awesome analysis' before.

[@simike24]

Why not rebuild the original one?

[@jthonn]

What a drag Kenny, I feel your pain. At least you get to make it right.

[@timferguson8654]

I thought I was going to see you put some bearings in it

[@willarddenton4360]

You are a Class guy Great video

[@lotus956]

I want to see you get a hold of one of these new Explorers. Lol.

[@TheMamonti1]

sounds like the bearing is dry / rough behind the slave

[@jaymichael91]

Alls well, that ends well.

[@wingman8447]

The glitter, wow

[@joebutchko2223]

If the drainplug had a magnet, maybe the trans would still be good...

[@jeffogden2982]

How do you know if there is a problem when the car did not move under its own power.

[@joemuncie9187]

I don't think you would have condemned the transmission without seeing the glitter or test driving it yourself

[@grantfranks9342]

What that transmission fluid you where draining. It looks clear is that some type of special fluid. Wondering cause I have a 09 suburban and the fluid looks clear is that normal

[@eddiereichel9354]

Your suburban is automatic and this is manual. Manual takes a gear oil. You suburban takes dextron 6 atf. Your suburban should have red fluid. It is likely the same fluid it left factory with.

[@domfer2540]

Looks like the oil line has a bend in it going to bearing.

[@ws2664]

If I remember correctly that car got towed in plus that clutch noise was really loud and I bet that trany had to be noisy to start with and since you don't have x ray vision you should get paid twice.

[@ginog5037]

Always check the fluid first, especially if it has just been changed. Basically, fixing other people's hacks is always a disaster...

[@pghguy7320]

Too many nuances with so many manufacturers.

[@u.s.a.198]

Thank you!

[@Rathika5]

Forbidden glitter. Bummer.

[@paulerickson1906]

That design of having no support from the clutch forward is a really cra43y design. No wonder the input bearing failed.

[@kennethanderson1685]

❤

[@stevendecker9239]

For some reason there's no sound on this video I thought it was my phone so I clicked on other videos and there is no problem. When I click back to the video again still no sound. And reading the comments it looks like I am the only one with this problem.

[@tomc3216]

All that glitters ain’t gold.

[@Crushwokery]

Kenny, very few mechs would have worked out that the gearbox was a dud without the luxury of drive going through it. If you can't make it work it won't talk to you. Engine with no starter motor won't tell you the big ends are toast until it runs. Yours are hairy not Crystal.

[@hashimsalim2665]

😇

[@cjjernigan3276]

Where are you located ' "ill let you " rebuild my oldschool 92 acura integra cable 5 spd manual transmission for "content" LOL no Really ill buy and pay too wana upgrade to a stage 2 and a real full short shifter kit, plzzz pretty plzz 🙏

[@peterbenson3776]

The clutch being wrong and making all that noise would lead anyone to a forgone conclusion

[@Scott63601]

We need to make mistakes to learn from.

[@NMTRUCKER]

I wonder how the customer was charged for this job?

[@andylowe2725]

Throw out Bearing

[@KANDiagnostics]

I don't see how that was a mistake or your fault. That would be like bringing a car in that is a no start that needs a starter, And after the starter was replaced you found that it has a rod knock, Clearly you feel bad for the customer but not your fault.

[@cpcoark]

I wouldn't think this was your fault. Yes, it would have been nice to realize the shaft bearing was bad, but you were hired to fix the clutch. If who did the first clutch job correctly, the tranny noise would have been obvious. If the replacement transmission is bad, it isn't your fault either. You should be paid for the work you were hired for.

[@eddiereichel9354]

You misdiagnosed that Cruze with the funny looking oxygen sensor too.