Trap Dye Test - Fur Trapping

[@whitebuffalo4641]

Thanks for taking the time and incurring the expense to do this work.

[@TrappingWithJinx]

Speed dip it is! I've been using that one for years. Really thinking of making a change, thanks for your help reviewing the different dips. Thanks.

[@mmiles55]

Great job on the review. Thanks. I’m sticking with boiling traps. I enjoy the process of boil and waxing

[@coyotetrappingschool1575]

Can't argue with that, if you enjoy the process that's what I'd go with too. That's what trapping is all about to me, something to enjoy

[@alaskajohn5695]

Thank You for the information and all the energy put into the video. I have used the speed dip for water traps with great success, especially in salt water conditions. Have not had good luck with it on canines, I think due to the residue smell of the gasoline. Traditonally used the dye and wax for canines, going to try Full Mental Jacket on some canine traps for coyote and wolf. I was told if there is active rust on the trap, and then dipped in the FMJ, the active rust will flake off the FMJ. I'll let all know, how it goes. Enjoy your educational video's, Alaska John

[@coyotetrappingschool1575]

AlaskaJohn You bet John, I'm trying FMJ out this year too, anxious to see how it does. What you trapping around the salt water, otters? Where do you trap at? I worked on a river otter research project in Prince William Sound and dreamed of running an otter line out there. Man I miss Alaska

[@calvinhoward2407]

I'll stick to boiling in walnut hulls. Thanks for the information any way.

[@ithomson7004]

The Full Metal Jacket is much like Corroseal Rust Converter for vehicle frames. Let traps get a coat of surface rust and dip. Comes out Black and prevents further rust. Works really well.

[@parrotbill9072]

This is really good to know. In Florida, all we're allowed to use us cage traps & snares on pubic lands. folks will steal cage traps, so I use snares and lightly spay paint my snares. I am starting a Nuisance Animal Removal Service, and we can use foot holds & body grips on private property with a free permit. So this is really good know for first time trap dippers.

[@coyotetrappingschool1575]

Good luck!

[@parrotbill9072]

+Coyote Trapping School Thank, you have been a lot of help.

[@glenowens2065]

As usual awesome video and very informative !!!

[@David-fv7zg]

You don’t wax any of these after the dip?

[@ChipsOutdoorChannel]

Great idea for a video! I have some speed dip I plan to use. I'm just not sure how to get rid of the excess.

[@coyotetrappingschool1575]

Get rid of the excess what? Speed dip?

[@ChipsOutdoorChannel]

Yeah, speed dip after the traps have been dipped into the speed dip/gasoline and/or coleman fuel mix.

[@coyotetrappingschool1575]

I keep mine in a rubbermaid tote or bucket with lid. Sometimes I don't have an issue reusing it again if it hasn't been too long but if I let it sit til next year Its not always useable, at least not without some heavy mixing

[@kevindavis9975]

Once you die and wax if they need to be redied do I simmer them in a pot of water to get the old wax off before re dyeing and waxing

[@Joe_Goofball]

In states where all gasoline has ethanol can white gasoline be substituted?

[@og4587]

thanks for the video lots of information . good luck this year

[@coyotetrappingschool1575]

Thanks, you too Bill

[@kytrapping5829]

I’ve thought about trying speed dip in boiling water but I use dye in log wood powder or spray paints and air out and then dip in the fmj either way to cover and dip in the end with fmj.Works good. But I’m thinking about ZEP floor finish floor wax $15 a gallon and basically the same thing people use it and say it’s the same just had less smell.

[@coyotetrappingschool1575]

I've wondered about the floor wax too, just haven't tried it. If you try it let me know what you think. i do like using FMJ

[@parrotbill9072]

By the way... I just saw a video about dying traps that made a lot of sense. The guy used rustolium paint and mixed it with 50% asitone and 50% paint. He got a nice coat, but I'd bet you could mix it with gas, mineral spirits or colman fuel. I don't like asitone because it evaporates so quickly, but the other 3 don't, so the left over will store longer. Just a thought, rustolium protect metal longer and it sounds like a good ide.

[@andrewbrown6457]

Rustoleum is going to stink like paint for a long time id imagine

[@Trivit30]

Great video! Always wondered about the stuff

[@coyotetrappingschool1575]

Thanks

[@triumphmanful]

I found that any gasoline or petroleum product leaves a smell on the traps. No matter what you do to them to mask it. Animals can smell this and are repelled by it . I have tested the natural black walnut, oak leaves and maple leaf free dyes and found the free leaves and walnuts catch many more critters. Each leaf has its own color. So you can choose for yourself . Black walnuts seem to dye the darkest color in my opinion. FYI

[@coyotetrappingschool1575]

Do you wax your traps after you dye them?

[@kevindavis9975]

I'm new at this like I say but I kind of like the log wood die but it is a process I think it done the best does better when it's heated like you say but it's a headache I do know that with wax and dying all that

[@evandonnellan9965]

Does logwood powder have toxic properties?

[@altra972]

one thing I've always wondered is if flex seal would work as a trap dye...maybe you should make a video on that.

[@coyotetrappingschool1575]

Hmm, haven't heard that before, I know one guy that swears by mop and glo for treating his traps!

[@KnifeCrazzzzy]

Incredible sir! Thank you 🙏🏻

[@countryboyoutdoors642]

can you paint them with rustoliem and let them hang til smells gone

[@53kills]

absolutely. Works great.

[@jonathanboerema7849]

I love you videos I don't even want to watch it because I'm a bias opinion I love the full metal jacket because this perfect I'm just going to watch a video now

[@masonandbailey6482]

When does your trapping season start here in south Mississippi our is November 1

[@coyotetrappingschool1575]

Bailey The beagle and coonhounds December 1

[@coyotetrappingschool1575]

Of course its hard around here to trap anywhere during deer season, no one wants you around until after deer season goes out

[@jonathanboerema7849]

You catch a lot more fur I'm not a professional anything but I use full metal jacket ever since come out it's good stuff I think it's just floor wax

[@hollernathan]

Will FMJ bind up any parts on a Conibear trap when fully dried? If so should I put a spacer in between any parts such as the jaws? Thank you

[@jimmyboyfilms6156]

I've heard Clint Locklear who invented it say on his podcast that he would recommend filing off the dog after dipping and drying it to make sure it still fires smooth.And also if your'e going to use your traps in water you can still use full metal jacket but it gets a milky tone on the trap in the water.

[@TJ-bk9vf]

So with the full metal jacket will you have to re-dip those after a catch? My current plan is to logwood then wax my traps and I'll just keep reheating my pot of wax and re-dip traps in that as my scent control. Is the pressure washer a good way of de-waxing a trap or do i need to boil them in something to clean them up and get ready for rewaxing or another dip in the full metal jacket if i was to go that route?

[@coyotetrappingschool1575]

With anything I would redip after a catch, not necessarily if I'm resetting that trap at the same location but once I pull the trap. Its got the catch scent on it and that is going to stand out if you put it anywhere else. I use a pressure washer for cleaning my traps but it doesn't always cut the wax, maybe on a hot day it might work better. I know a guy that uses a small cement mixer with sand and small stones to get the wax off his traps. The only issue with boiling them to get the wax off is them you got wax on the surface of the water and when you pull your traps out that wax is going to get right back on your trap. You could let it cool and the wax should harden on the surface then remove it

[@TJ-bk9vf]

Thanks for the reply. Been watching a lot of your videos and you do an awesome job of explaining things. This will be my first season of coyote trapping. Been mostly a water guy up until this point but I'm looking forward to the challenge of the yote.

[@bradheath2592]

What are your thoughts on fmj after using it this season ?

[@coyotetrappingschool1575]

That's what I just redipped all my traps in. I like being able to use the traps next day. So far I've got no complaints other than on new traps it doesn't do anything to darken the color.

[@dachip50]

Cheapest way and best way for me is boiling them in black walnuts. its the same stuff as logwood just not concentrated and its free if you use a wood fire to boil your pot.

[@coyotetrappingschool1575]

Nothing wrong with that. I've been thinking about planting a black walnut at my house so I'd have some someday!

[@ricomidence2063]

Do u use instead of wax? Im new to this so i was jw

[@gman77gas]

That tree grows so slow you will be dead before you see any nuts....Great video!

[@REAPERMILITIAOUTDOORS]

Great video man nice👍😎

[@captaindd1971]

I just started trapping 2 years ago and am still a novice. My question is why not primer then paint then wax your traps? FYI on the first trap dye you used that's actually a watered down rust converter, and $25 is outrageously expensive when you can get a 1 gallon full concentrate rust converter for around $60 like Endall rust converter which would last you a few seasons.

[@captaindd1971]

www.amazon.com/Endall-Rust-Converter-Gallon-size/dp/images/B00APRXSNO

[@coyotetrappingschool1575]

You absolutely could primer/paint/wax your traps. Alot of people paint their water traps. Several of the dips are some sort of paint based dips, and just dipping them I haven't been super satisified with the coating that gets left on the trap, particularly with the water based dips. I would think you could just air out the painted traps a few weeks like you do with the gas dips then wax to seal in any odor. Nice catch on the rust converter. I've heard a little speculation as to what the FMJ is but never that and it makes perfect sense. I'll have to order some. You a metal worker?

[@captaindd1971]

I worked offshore on boats for 20 years and salt water will rust metal boats very well. We used rust converter religiously on rusty metal. It works best if the metal is hot needs to be at least 90 yo 100 degrees covered in surface rust a full strength solution works best It doesn't work well on new metal. And if done correctly will turn rusty metal black.

[@coyotetrappingschool1575]

Interesting, so when it turns black can you get it off, or would you want to? I'm thinking about a pile of old traps I've got that are very rusty. I've been thinking about hitting them with vinegar and a wire brush but that just don't get me real excited. A gallon of this may do the trick

[@captaindd1971]

Coyote Trapping School it will turn black is blue when you do the first coat and more black than blue after the second coat. Once it's cured and dried it will turn rusty metal black.

[@THEMANWITHIN89]

I SUGGEST USING A 5 GALLON BUCKET OR A BIG ICE CREAM BUCKET TO DIP TRAPS IN YOUR DYE OR FULL METAL JACKET.I USED DAKOTA LINE DIP MY FIRST YEAR,BUT ITS MESSY AND I HAD TO DIP THEM 4 TIMES.PLUS IT COATS TRAPS TO WHERE THEY DONT WORK AS FREELY.IM NOT USEING A DIP WITH GAS EITHER.IM GOING TO USE FULL METAL JACKET.IVE HEARD TO MANY GOOD THINGS ABOUT IT NOT TOO AND ITS EASIER.PLUS YOUR TRAPS WORKS AS IF THERE IS NOTHING ON THEM AND AFFECTING PERFORMANCE.

[@jaredcharland624]

Full Metal Jacket is good stuff. Lasts quite a while. I actually prefer to log wood dye lightly rusted traps before coating them in FMJ.

[@coyotetrappingschool1575]

I like it too, especially for retreating traps mid season, very easy

[@gottagoride7889]

Thanks,

[@richardbray7893]

How do you get old wax off traps and do you dye or paint before you use full metal jacket... I am trying to save time and all my traps have old wax on them.. good video

[@coyotetrappingschool1575]

I don't sweat old wax too much, if you leave them in the heat/sun during summer some of that wax will come off but I just pressure wash or boil in dawn then treat them. This is my first time using full metal jacket and I tried it without doing any dye or paint. It may be useful just to minimize the shine of the trap should it get exposed though. If you're real worried about wax, I know a guy that throws his traps in a small cement mixer with sand and small rocks for 30 mins or so and it cleans them right up.

[@paulphillips2921]

Can u make a waxing video!

[@coyotetrappingschool1575]

Got ya covered, check this video out kzbin.info/www/bejne/lXmYm2ysorqZa80

[@coodyoutdoors8766]

I tried speed dip this year was not happy

[@coyotetrappingschool1575]

What did you not like about the speed dip?

[@coodyoutdoors8766]

Mixed 4 gallons of good high octane non ethanol gas with one quart of speed dip after reading trapper man after a month still tacky in places this weekend going to remove it

[@bluedogsurvive6501]

aaron coody use a paint brush instead of dipping works better

[@coyotetrappingschool1575]

4 gallons to 1 quart is way more than recommended, it should be 1 gallon per quart

[@vortekmaximum]

I dipped mine in jbl last year and they are still somewhat sticky

[@coyotetrappingschool1575]

Did you use gasoline or coleman fuel or mineral spirits? Mine turned out pretty good using mineral spirits

[@vortekmaximum]

I used the Coleman fuel and dipped them last September. Plenty warm outside about 90 degrees in Alabama so they should have dried. I might should have used a little extra fuel

[@coyotetrappingschool1575]

Yeah that could help. If you've still got the dip, dip them again, won't hurt anything and might make them less sticky

[@vortekmaximum]

Sounds good I will try that

[@captaindd1971]

Which ones held up the best?

[@coyotetrappingschool1575]

Overall my preference is still speed dip. I liked the FMJ for a mid season treatment when I didn't have time to let speed dip air out like it needs to. I've not been satisfied with any of the water based dips, except plain old logwood dye

[@raydowdy6914]

I personally like using walnuts.

[@jonathanboerema7849]

Use the full metal jacket

[@coyotetrappingschool1575]

Jonathan Boerema That's my plan for most of my traps this year!

[@HDKennels]

Thanks CTS for the video! I used the fmj one season but after it snowed and with me checking trap in the afternoon. My traps would be soaking in the mud all day, the fmj would become a milky gummy film on the trap. I've always used logwood and wax but I'm planning on using speed dip this season 😊

[@coyotetrappingschool1575]

SW Trapline That's interesting, I can see why you didn't keep using it. I'm anxious to see how it works here in the south

[@frankhampton5961]

I just use grease wood turns the traps a real nice black.and they smell just like the country I trap in.

[@coyotetrappingschool1575]

What type of country you in? Southwest? I've never heard of grease wood, sounds like a good use though

[@Joe_Goofball]

I wonder if burning chamisa wood would work as well?

[@jdpainter604]

To get the oil off put them in a cycle in the dish washer

[@coyotetrappingschool1575]

I go with the pressure washer, might be in the dog house if I try the dish washer!

[@Trivit30]

I'll stick with the Longwood dye... it's just a hobby for me

[@coyotetrappingschool1575]

You can't go wrong with logwood

[@jonathanboerema7849]

I just wanted 1st

[@jackriley5974]

An old trappers perspective: If your going to bury your traps, why does the color matter? It doesn't! Also, the only logical reason to wax them is to prevent them from a quick rust-up. If you insist on doing both, do it in one motion, and throw the wax in with the dye. A hundred years ago real trappers (without 4 wheels) would hang their traps, rust and all, in a tree on their line for the off season. They never modified their traps. They never set pan tension with a special tool. They didn't use waxed dirt or antifreeze. They didn't leave anything behind when they pulled their traps.