Trapdoor VS Snider

[@Schlachtschule]

Any day shooting a Snider is a good day. This was a fantastic comparison, too often people compare the Snider to the .45 Trapdoors, which isn't fair. I cannot deny that the Trapdoor's mechanism is superior because it ejects, but when I shoot mine fast I end up with that trapdoor flipping closed too often (which is on me) which makes the process clumsier--I need to practice more. Honestly, when loading from the "pouch" (well, the ball bag with the Snider and the Mills belt with the Trapdoor), I find the ball bag slightly faster, especially after I use up the cartridges on the right front of the belt and I have to start reaching around. The trick to fast loading with the Snider is to pull pack on the door with your fingers (as in the Platoon Exercise instructions) and then flip it sharply to the right as an automatic motion, which is *almost* (but not quite) as fast as the Trapdoor. I'd like to see a comparison between a .45 Trapdoor and the Martini Henry--that's the fairest comparison, and I think the M-H will *trounce* the Trapdoor. Great shooting, Jake, and a fantastic video. Thank you for sharing.

[@Everythingblackpowder]

Thanks, Hugh

[@KW-qq7nu]

@@Everythingblackpowder Great video. If this was part 1 i.e. 50-70 trapdoor v Snider then it's a decisive win for the trapdoor. A part 2 would pit the 45-70 trapdoor against the M/H (the latter might just take that). However, taking the service life of the .45-70 trapdoor, then part 3 would pit it against the black powder .303 Lee Metford - a rather more one sided affair.

[@tomg6284]

?, if you mix with lots of water, big wet mess. Then vac all the water off, will that give the powder a better blend? Enjoy you videos, thanks.

[@clairecelestin8437]

One thing I like about your videos but haven't seen a comment on is just how tranquil it feels to be hanging out with you all on the range, listening to the birds chirping, and getting the occasional crack and tink. Just the sound of it all sets me in a good mood. Thanks for doing what you do!

[@Everythingblackpowder]

Thank you

[@curtwuollet2912]

Who knows how many soldiers caught themselves starting to pull out the ramrod after the conversions.

[@Derecq]

The "cleaning rod" is threaded on the end and is screwed into a nut fixed at the bottom of the channel.

[@gotsloco1810]

That was excellent. It would be great to see a Remington Rolling Block in 50-70 added to the comparison. I have shot a trapdoor. Usually with light Bullseye loads. The New York Contract Rolling Block….. not yet.

[@MrOlgrumpy]

A Martini- Henry 577/450 would be another good comparison. Sometimes cast bullets have air pockets which cause interesting ballistic gymnastics and sound effects.

[@merlemorrison482]

That's why you weigh each bullet BEFORE lubing it.

[@isaaco5679]

The trapdoor is definitely one of my dream guns. I just want the metal bits so I can make the stock myself.

[@takitonamase5683]

Trapdoor rifles were always so cool to me,just the way you flick it open,round pops up,its just neat

[@jermedic]

Thanks!

[@Everythingblackpowder]

@@jermedic thank you very much

[@MrTacklebury]

Midway has 32 ga. brass shot shells which can be used for .50-70 but it's balloon head, so might have to keep pressures down a bit.

[@Everythingblackpowder]

I’ll look into that. Thank you

[@NathanS__]

Harry Turtledove has an alternate history book called "How Few Remain" that covers a second war between the US and an independent CSA in the 1880s and I always imagined that the CS was using a Snider because it has this bizarro vibe where it's basically a trapdoor but not.

[@Namenloser_]

Will or Lord will ever give us the answers to the age old question of cottonelle 72h bp?

[@Everythingblackpowder]

@@Namenloser_ we’re saving it for a special occasion

[@Namenloser_]

@@Everythingblackpowder subscriber special?

[@PBVader]

I saved 15 percent on my TP consumption by switching to Ultra Comfort.

[@benrobertson7855]

Each time you post a vid is a special occasion.but can’t wait.regards from nz.

[@nsd935]

​@@EverythingblackpowderFor the new Garmin!

[@chuckaddison5134]

Nice change of pace video! The backgroung music was just right, like it was the truck radio playing. Thourghly enjoyable, thank you.

[@Everythingblackpowder]

Thank you

[@johnkilcer]

I was having skirt separation on the 577 mini mould in my snider. Had the local machine shop make me a reamer to bump the lee mould out to 590. Seems to have done the trick. Doing the same for my martini henry and a lee .459 mould. Was way cheaper than a custom mould

[@Everythingblackpowder]

I have heard of that happening in sniders using a miniè style bullet. I’ve haven’t experienced that myself

[@johnkilcer]

@@Everythingblackpowder terrifying.... can confirm. I thought about powder coating to bump them up to size but opted for the reamer.

[@tacfoley4443]

Most Sniders, including mine, have a bore of around .600". Martyn Robinson of X-Ring Services [Spokane] makes two bullet moulds to the Snider bullet which, in fact, a flat base, not a Minié type. My two-band MkII Snider with 70gr of 2FG Swiss makes 1165 fps. Not too shabby.

[@Everythingblackpowder]

The X ring service bullet is what I’m using in the video. It works excellent

[@AstanaxKnight]

Friend of mine wanted me to buy an 1866 Springfield Trapdoor after I told him that I bought a 1873 Model at a pawn shop recently. He told me that I would be up to the challenge of making my own brass shell casings. I sent him back a photo of a .308 casing that I had cut in half to show the thickness of brass as well as primer pocket construction. Trying to make my own brass casings I imagine would be crazy expensive in brass material, not to mention trying to mold the casing. I told him also that I had just purchased 120 rounds of 45-70 for like $94 at Steinel Ammo, so the cost of the 45-70 is better than trying to construct my own brass 50-70 that may or may not rupture the gun.

[@lawrencecannon1415]

Awesome video, I have an original trapdoor buffalo rifle conversion in 40 65 win. In shootable condition surprisingly. You have inspired me to get back to work on the project of getting ammo up and running for it. Thanks for the inspiration.

[@Everythingblackpowder]

Glad to hear it. Thank you

[@jollyjakelovell4787]

Next; Baker Rifle vs 1803 Harper's Ferry Rifle fingers crossed.

[@colinarmstrong1892]

Those two are in no way similar though

[@jollyjakelovell4787]

@@colinarmstrong1892 And?

[@OGbqze]

Easily the best channel out there.

[@Everythingblackpowder]

Thank you!

[@RonaldPedersen-ub4my]

Really enjoyed the shooting comparisons between the trapdoor and the snider ! I have both those rifles also.

[@Everythingblackpowder]

Thank you

[@NemoVir]

Finally, the great match. Who is the best of the conversions.

[@wyatesbob]

Great video again. You've done made me want another smoke belching tool.

[@Everythingblackpowder]

You should!

[@wyatesbob]

@Everythingblackpowder is 3 and 3/4 a good deal on thompson flintlock 50 cal. It has about 12 flints.

[@Everythingblackpowder]

@@wyatesbob yep

[@wyatesbob]

@Everythingblackpowder then I guess Friday I'll grab it as long as it doesn't sell before. All I know about flints is from you. I've always used caps and now cartridge.

[@keithmoore5306]

i'm with you Jake i just like the Snider action better than the trapdoor's!! it just seems more natural to swing it over than up!!

[@vaquerojoel2026]

Outstanding video as usual.

[@Everythingblackpowder]

Thank you!

[@Cr0wmagnum]

The fun that must be. Very interesting comparison enjoyed every minute of it.

[@Everythingblackpowder]

Glad to hear it

[@rustyauerswald1069]

I cast n load all my ammo done so from 1985...I used modern..but i use Lee book..and load all for Trapdoor ,even for my 1874 Sharps..in 45-70

[@samueldamewood5273]

Well clutch my pearls! As always informative and entertaining. The knowledge is expanded so powder was burned to good effect. Keep it up, I'm still not ready to make my own damned video.

[@richarddean3154]

Both rifles are fascinating. I have 4 modern firearms that aren't interesting to me anymore - the older, the more interesting, especially if they are accurate. Thank you for the impromptu competition between those two guns.

[@Everythingblackpowder]

You bet

[@TheCuzMan]

Where’s the Garmin? 😂😂

[@Thee_Sinner]

Probably filmed before they got it

[@jtcustomknives]

@@Thee_Sinnerbut in the last video thy said it was ordered and would be delivered by the time that last video was released.

[@Tharnout549]

He shot it

[@Everythingblackpowder]

@@Thee_Sinnerbingo

[@larryward1082]

Really good Drake you did good on that I don't know why I'm out my phone just can't handle my accent anyway Jake you did well and yeah I can only imagine what it would have been like in the civil war if the trap door had existed during the civil war yeah that's something something to ponder

[@Bobbycat115]

I have 3 50/70'S And was lucky to find 150 new Starline 50/90 for cheap in Northern Canada paid $ 250.00 for 3 bags of 50 . You are Right about Magtech 24 G cheap enough for 577 brass. Yes fun old guns to shoot .Now Off to cast some Lead. Love your Content ...

[@Everythingblackpowder]

Thank you

[@daveyjoweaver6282]

Two Lovely Rifles! Just send them to me and I’ll also conduct some experiments. I recon you’d had better send some of that same black powder of yern too! But really, Very Enjoyable! That clang sound on a long shot is music to the ear! Kind Thanks Fellers! Congrats on a chronograph success and preddy dang good Shootin at 100 I’d say fer ser! Many Blessings! DaveyJO in Pennsylvania

[@Everythingblackpowder]

@@daveyjoweaver6282 thank you!

[@TIEpilot918]

I just got a Snider! Excited to load for it.

[@Everythingblackpowder]

Excellent

[@randomidiot8142]

I goofed and cleaned out grafs of their starline 50 alaskan a while back. Hard to find that now too...

[@rivercityapplianceservice2461]

It's probably been 25 years for me . But I loaded my 45/70 Trapdoor with 65 gr fff 405 or 12gr Unique with 405 gr . Both worked good .

[@Everythingblackpowder]

I bet it did

[@curdmalurd5805]

Would there be a problem using cottonelle regarding pfa contamination affecting carbon purity? Also, I wonder how coal coke would perform as a carbon source.

[@Thee_Sinner]

When you flip the trapdoor open, what are you hitting? Based on the sound, I assume it’s something that knocks the round out of the chamber.

[@roddecker1900]

Great program. Was att optometrist, when he saw what iwas watching he had a good laugh. He left / came back with an old cartridge. It was a 4586. I says it fits that rifle you were holding.😅

[@Everythingblackpowder]

😂

[@ditzydoo4378]

My 45-70 trapdoor likes either BP or an alternative like Shooters World. It's kind of neutral on that, bonus I got the Shooter World on clearance at $20 a pound.

[@bruced1429]

Good job on this comparison. Just for some history on the Snieder 577. In 1866 the Feehnian Brotherhood decided to invade Canada and hold it ransom to get the British to leave Ireland. They first came across from Buffalo New York and had the battle of Ridgeway Heights. No real winner but the Canadian Militia left the battle field . The Feehnians took over a farm house and proceeded to get drunk. The next morning the US army came and collected them and took them back to the US. A year later they came again but this time from Vermont as they wished to capture Montreal. Now the British got busy and send to Canada ( became Canada that year) and sent to the newly formed Canadian army with some British regulars, 40,000 new Snieder 577. There was a battle at the river crossing between Vermont and Quebec in which the Snieders decimated the Feehnian"s hardly any made it across the bridge and river. That was the first battle that the Snieder's were used in. In total around 80,000 Snieders came to Canada. You can still buy them today usually $ 400 to $800 dollars. A friend of mine has 4 and shoots them regularily. The Feehnians came 4 times in total and never achieved their goal. The US disbanded the movement because after the US civil war the US Government did not want a war with England and Canada over Ireland. That is how the Snieder 577 came to North America.

[@elenas4878]

I'm from Canada ( actually Québec, that's why I own 3 Sniders!) I promise you , I was not present in that battle ( which took place 20 minutes away from my house but I ws busy that day 🤪🥰) The Feenians were using the Needham rifle! Same cal as the Snider! Found one to buy but the bore was in such a bad condition, I decided not to purchase it !

[@bruced1429]

@@elenas4878 so am I and I teach the PAL course and tell them this piece of history evrytime I have a course. There is more to the story than what I said here. Go have a look for the captured cannon on a pedistal at the battle site.

[@mikemullenix6956]

I could watch this all day

[@chasebh89]

I was just gonna ask what you load your Snider's too. I found mine likes 60gr of FF but I'll have to try your load and see how it handles.

[@genebishop1405]

the old trapdoor seems to work pretty darn good..!

[@Everythingblackpowder]

It sure does

[@ricktaylor5744]

That looked like a lot of fun, thank you Jake

[@Everythingblackpowder]

Thank you

[@mowoodpecker]

That 50 .70 hits hard. I felt the ground shake here in missouri.

[@Everythingblackpowder]

😂

[@johndilday1846]

Great video, Jake! I have never seen a comparison video like this before, so it was awesome. Rob from British Muzzleloaders could perhaps give you some pointers on the use of the Snider to speed things up? His channel is entertaining also. But you are probably too busy and don’t have the time to watch his stuff. Thank you very much.

[@Everythingblackpowder]

@@johndilday1846 I watch all of Robs stuff. He’s Canadian so he’s probably born better at operating the snider. 😉

[@ShaddySoldier]

Watching you catch those spinnin ejected shells from the trapdoor after the little ping is so satisfying. I need one. Any good repros out there or should i just find an beat up antique thay needs some tlc?

[@Everythingblackpowder]

@@ShaddySoldier I would recommend buying an original

[@ShaddySoldier]

@@Everythingblackpowder they seem like a collectable, are they hard to come by or overly expencive?

[@MrBenski81]

I'd have 500 rnds of unfired 50/70 brass! I didn't realise it was so expensive.

[@Everythingblackpowder]

Want to sell any?

[@MrBenski81]

@@Everythingblackpowder if only I could. I live in Australia, where shipping ammunition components = loss of gun license

[@Everythingblackpowder]

@@MrBenski81 sorry to hear that

[@josephcormier5974]

Thank you for a very enjoyable and informative video six stars gentlemen

[@Everythingblackpowder]

Thank you

[@gimpyoldhunter]

Good afternoon. I know this is completely off topic but when you make charcoal for your antique muzzloader propellant what do you use to grind it down to powder from ? I am speaking in general because I would not think you did toilet paper the same way you would sticks and such. I have tried a few different ways but it usually requires constant attention or it just doesn’t seem to do anything

[@Everythingblackpowder]

@@gimpyoldhunter We break up the charred substance and toss it in the ball mill for a couple hours. This works well for us

[@gimpyoldhunter]

That is what I was kinda thinking about doing too but I wasn’t sure if it was a good idea. I have about the same setup that y’all have for a mill so I will give it a shot Thx

[@TheCuzMan]

Fantastic as always, hoping after this I get to see a cleaning video 🙏

[@Everythingblackpowder]

Man, I’m sorry. This would have been a good opportunity for that…

[@TheCuzMan]

@@Everythingblackpowder 😭😢

[@TheSpadxiii]

Would be interested in seeing a comparison between the model 1873 trapdoor vrs the Russian Berdan II. Other than the Springfield being a likely follow-up to the 50-70 - while other modern nations were going to a bolt action the US stuck with this obsolete breach loader?

[@Everythingblackpowder]

@@TheSpadxiii I wouldn’t call it obsolete, most European nations bolt actions were single shots at that time as well

[@claydallen5308]

They are both wonderful rifles, But you gott to love a trap door! 👍

[@Everythingblackpowder]

I most certainly do

[@TheWolfsnack]

When out hunting...errr....offering ballistic assistance to our indigenous brothers.....I would prefer to be armed with the Henry repeaters a lot of them had....those Trapdoor cons? Ask Custer....

[@robertstump4740]

Have never tried a Snider but have a lot of trigger time on the trapdoors. You would probably have fun trying out the old Mauser 71/84.

[@matheusdardenne]

Aren't the brass casings hot when they pop out? You seem to catch them no problem with bare hands. Are you just used to it, or are they not that hot?

[@SlavicCelery]

The heat of the cases depends on the temp of the firearm and type of powder used. Lots of .38 spl comes out revolvers pretty cool to touch. However, some loadings carry a lot more heat. I could be wrong, but I think slower burning powders tend to have a larger amount of heat transfer. Faster powders tend to sink less heat into the cartridge and more into the barrel. Black powder tends to place more of their residual heat into the barrels, at least in my experience.

[@Everythingblackpowder]

They are warm but I can still handle them

[@nathanguyon7620]

Yes, but the most important factor in the comparison was neglected-- which weird mechanism has a more satisfying mechanical feel? On a scale of 1-Werndl, how do they rate?

[@Everythingblackpowder]

lol the snider

[@bendiksbendiks1859]

Both rifles are not to be rejected. It's good if one battalion has, for example, a springfil trapdoor and the other battalion has a schneider. So that for one kind of war situations and for the other kind of war situations there are convenient suitable rifles

[@Almost_Made_It]

What temperature do you make your charcoal at? Here’s a quote from “the gun and its development” about the English process: “Charcoal made at a temperature of 500°F. is readily ignited at 640° F., whilst charcoal made at I,800° F. requires nearly double the temperature of the last to influence it; for this reason the charcoal made at a low temperature is considered the best for sporting purposes; it, if properly burnt and from the best wood, is, when powdered, of a reddish-brown hue; whilst the latter, being denser and consequently less hygroscopic, is of a black colour.” Thought you might find it interesting.

[@Everythingblackpowder]

@@Almost_Made_It 650°

[@kenycharles8600]

Thank you for this interesting comparison.

[@Everythingblackpowder]

You bet

[@ricktaylor5744]

Jake what is the weight the.577 Snider bullet? Looks like you guys are having fun! Keep them coming.

[@Everythingblackpowder]

530

[@ricktaylor5744]

Thank you Jake

[@jacobmarley4907]

Oops, wrong rifle! At the battle of Roarke's Drift, the Britrish Army used Martini-Henry rifles, not .577 Snider. My bad.

[@beargillium2369]

lil historical reenactment of a US soldier switching out from a muzzleloader 😅

[@miraxus6264]

When or if you ever run out of ideas ...plz try that powdered sugar ratio for me! Great video too!

[@matteoorlandi856]

"this is brilliant!... But i like this more!"

[@joshbrown5644]

Not 8 hours ago did i search for a comparison between the two after seeing hickock45 compare a martini and a Springfield (which seemed a bit unfair) Also, have you considered using coco coir or shells or husk for a carbon source for the antique muzzlloader propellant?

[@Everythingblackpowder]

I haven’t but we were planning on trying coconut husk

[@joshbrown5644]

@@Everythingblackpowder its just as i got some coir for potting a plant, and once you take it out its vacuum bag and fluff it up a bit, it like triples at least in volume so must have a relatively low density? Be interesting to see

[@Thomas_Crowfoot]

I know this comment is related to the video but, can you cook your charcoal too long? Say you maintain the same temperature the whole time, but you go past the point it's fully cooked, like several hours past, does that have any effect?

[@Everythingblackpowder]

Yes but it will still work

[@bobrees4363]

So Trapdoor vs. Remington Rolling Block?

[@Everythingblackpowder]

I’ll have to borrow a rolling block. I don’t own one

[@wijpke]

Please will you do a semi smokeless powder with 5 to 10 % ammonium nitrate instead of all the potassium nitrate? Pretty please will make a more powerful powder and less fouling 😊❤

[@IWatchedWhat]

I miss my trapdoor, it was 45-70, I regret selling it ever since I sold it.

[@Everythingblackpowder]

Sorry to hear that

[@elenas4878]

Nice! Just went at the range today with my Sniders! I also prefer the Sniders because I own 3 of them, they're way cheaper in Canada than the Trapdoors, way cheaper to reload too! The Trapdoor is faster to shoot multile shots, for sure, but for the price, up here in Canada, for a decent one, like yours, not a sporterized by Bubba abomination and the price of brass, sorry but it's too prohibitive!

[@grahamohea2424]

Now I want to see a Snider collab video with Rob from British Muzzleloaders, not only because it would be awesome, but also because I want to see Jake in a kilt

[@Everythingblackpowder]

I’ll leave the dresses to Rob

[@thomaskimball3789]

Love the you tube target!

[@dnfd737]

at 2:08 into this I must admit my love for the British line of rifles has me at a bias. however, the trapdoor manual of arms seems faster and therefore a higher volume of fire seems likely. therefore, in the still Napoleon style of fighting at the time would be adventaegous.....im leaving this open to comment tater, lets see how my thinking pans out. the 577 snider seemed to never get pushed to its potential, it seems more like economics was more important than performance. whereas the American 50-70 was loaded to higher performance standards.......Springfield at 100 yeads misses a lot, snider at 100 yards, it was built for that, but consistent hits. Answer to the question, what do you take? the rifle that hits consistently to me so snider rifle.

[@kbjerke]

You haven't sent that ProChrono DLX to chronograph heaven yet??? LOL LOVE the video, though. Thanks, Jake!

[@Everythingblackpowder]

Working on it!

[@steveshoemaker6347]

Interesting and good shooting Jake and thank you guy's..... Old F-4 Pilot Shoe🇺🇸

[@Everythingblackpowder]

Thank you

[@mrdinme.4768]

I think I would prefer the trapdoor, but have no experience with the Snider either so, not a fair statement honestly.

[@MartinMizner]

We need a speciel collab with CB but EBP will charge all Scott's rounds with his best powder

[@ThisOldChris]

What is the common cause of a bullet tumble in a rifled barrel?

[@Everythingblackpowder]

Undersized projectile

[@davisrs1]

I miss my grandfather's falling block Savage!

[@ericcraig-j5b]

Did anyone else notice the Crack of the Springfield as it broke the sound barrier?

[@ashiehakoto1490]

lol! perfect cut to commertial, youtube, right when he said "we're out hunting indians. wait we cant say that, can we"

[@DaveDavid-z6m]

Has this guy ever made BP from activated charcoal? Thr stuff for absorbing things

[@Derecq]

The Snider Enfield was always conceived as a stop gap (& cheap) breech loader until something better could be developed. It did the job in front line service with the British Army for only 10 years until replaced by the Martini Henry. When doing an unload against the clock pull the hammer back to full cock not half cock, yeah I know the manual of arms saying half cock. I run mine with 62gn of a coarse BP but the chamber can't take that .600 flat based bullet so I'm using a .595 RB, yes I've done a chamber cast and no my cases are not too long.

[@Everythingblackpowder]

Sorry to hear yours won’t chamber a .600 projectile.I find it’s the best way to get consistent accuracy

[@rustyauerswald1069]

Primers brands ,will change your loads ,also.

[@jesscobb2279]

Great video. BTW nothing wrong with using smokeless in a BP rifle. I do it all the time when I don't feel like cleaning for a half hour. If you know how to convert the pressure's, it's completely fine. God Bless

[@Everythingblackpowder]

Thank you

[@theblindsniper9130]

For whatever reason, my trapdoors occasionally tumble heavier bullets. No issus from 300 or 350gr ones. I see you have a smart scale haha nice Both of these systems are very on par with one another. Its like comparing 5 shot ww2 bolt action rifles, theyre bsically on par with one another.

[@Everythingblackpowder]

Agreed

[@Friedbrain11]

Trapdoor any day of the week for me.

[@Everythingblackpowder]

Fair enough

[@MemorialRifleRange]

Thank-You!

[@Everythingblackpowder]

Thank you

[@tim5cad203]

GO SNIDER!!!! I am rooting for ya! (Only because I have one) Sorry I watch the video later after work and come up with a more intelligent comment.

[@harleyironhead7090]

awesome rifles, great information

[@Everythingblackpowder]

Thank you

[@ScottGilpin]

The trap door did not help Custer

[@Everythingblackpowder]

Personally I think that Custer and his men would have been massacred even if they were all armed with repeating rifles of the day. Henrys, 1866 and 1873 Winchester and Spencer’s

[@noapologizes2018]

Not too shabby, Jake. I have heard of and seen photos ,only, of the Snider, but the cartridge acquisition and loading is a bit out of reach for people such as myself. The trap door, on the other hand, comes in 45-70 which can be acquired with not as much difficulty. So, my money goes to the trap door. Talk about bragging rights owning both, you dog. . . .

[@Everythingblackpowder]

It’s lonely at the top 😉

[@TheCuzMan]

So excited!!!!🎉

[@TheCuzMan]

I have both😁

[@lightweight1974]

I'm envious. Thinking they should be an 11th Commandment...11) Thou shall not covet thine neighbors BP rifle conversions collection...

[@markzimmerman7279]

The men who used them originally may have had the same habit

[@KivPanther]

That's why I have an 1873 trapdoor. .45-70 brass is WAY cheaper!

[@Everythingblackpowder]

And available

[@allthingsconsidered3211]

But but I wanna hear “made and packed with my homemade bp lube, lambs tallow and beeswax. AND upside down duplex load” ? ❤

[@allthingsconsidered3211]

And u didn’t show off ur homemade shot shells for the snider 😂

[@kirkstinson7316]

I dont know about your results. I mean you have shot the trapdoor a lot more then the snyder and are more comfortable using it.

[@bendiksbendiks1859]

Hello dear black powder. Well, it was also done with military economic logistics to save cartridges and gunpowder so that in a prolonged military battle there would be a supply of cartridges and gunpowder. And the springfil trapdoor is made to react faster in certain tight fights. It is good to have both, because for one type of combat, the springfil trapdoor will be more suitable, and for another type of military combat, the sniper will be more suitable. It is also a question of military logistics, military economy, military strategy. Along with these rifles, there was also a pistol. Because for other types of military situations it is more convenient to use a pistol. Well, the police all over the world carry pistols, not rifles. Because for a certain type of fighting, pistols are more convenient. It is also a question of planning military work, military battles.

[@matthewsmith2051]

You keep hurting my wallet I need a trapdoor and a snider to go with my Martini 577/450 lol

[@lthorsemanship8150]

Then a roller

[@Everythingblackpowder]

@@lthorsemanship8150I need a Martini-Henry to go with my snider and trapdoor

[@leehardesty32]

Where did you get the brass from? Australia? What did it set you back?

[@leehardesty32]

A dollar a peace!!! Holy shit. Can you neck that down to martiny? The Australians bent me over to the tune of $4.50 a piece for 450/577

[@Everythingblackpowder]

@@leehardesty32yes you can make it into 577-450

[@andrewrichards345]

577 Snyder seems more consistent but 50-70 might shoot nicer.

[@Everythingblackpowder]

They both shoot great

[@rustyauerswald1069]

Try from the bench..you'll find it improvement