TRASH SEED | Map Rando Race

TRASH SEED | Map Rando Race | Super Metroid

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@ShadowServer 4 ай бұрын

This video and last video are like the duality of rando seeds

@MT-lv3ls 4 ай бұрын

To quote the Divinyls: It's a fine line between pleasure and pain

@atlys258 3 ай бұрын

Lmao no joke, last one was practically a drag strip compare to this friggin pinball machine 😂

@justinokraski3796 4 ай бұрын

Glad Samus was a maid this time because the seed was a MESS

@Zeithri 4 ай бұрын

" _ahaa gottem_ "

@thewindwakinghero7423 4 ай бұрын

Samus looks unreasonably good in a maid outfit, imagine a bounty hunter with a maid outfit OVER her power armor just shredding your forces as a one woman army, absolute fucking power move.

@blaquephyrekendra1779 4 ай бұрын

Black Lagoon Roberta comes to mind

@oden-sama_ 4 ай бұрын

@@blaquephyrekendra1779 my thought exactly lmao

@robertpowell9982 4 ай бұрын

Cleaning up Zebes one space pirate at a time!

@thewindwakinghero7423 4 ай бұрын

@@robertpowell9982 *busts down MotherBrain's door* _House keeping_

@nathanpetrich7309 4 ай бұрын

1950's: girls dressing up shows their status as objects and indicates submissiveness to their husbands. 2020's: cosplayers are total baddies who will drain the bank accounts of their army of gooner slaves.

@robvdm 4 ай бұрын

Ive been thinking about how to approach these races in mathematical way and I think that turning around at 1:25 was a mistake that could be avoided if one considers some basic principles. The race can be thought of as a type of “exploration problem” and in these problems one typically wants to observe things that are maximally uncertain. So observing which room is the next is a bit uncertain, the whole map of the area is very uncertain. This is a standard principle in information theory. Since we are doing this with respect to time, we want to maximize uncertainty of observations per time. You know you will likely have to go through the 1:25 water room at some point, turning around and taking 1 minute to view the room in the other direction wasted a lot of time just to get the same amount of information. Obviously items, in this case Gravity Suit, increase the information/time but its pretty unlikely that its the next item to the right. You could have observed both of the rooms, room after 1:25 and the room to the right of the ship in much less time. Turning around and backtracking, because something is “annoying” is really reducing your observations per time. If you hit a dead end and really found nothing useful, you should consider the future rate of observations/time from backtracking vs. resetting to the previous save.

@inplfw 4 ай бұрын

While I agree that's typically the type of considerations that should be made, I don't think it necessarily applies to the moment you reference. It takes him 35 seconds to get through Thread the Needle when he eventually gets back after initially skipping it and it also takes him 35 seconds to get from that room running back and getting stopped by the missile door. Either could have been a dead end and he lost the coin flip, but I don't think it's accurate to call it a mistake unless we apply hindsight.

@qactustick 4 ай бұрын

This comment looks like a great copypasta for the twitch chat!

@robvdm 4 ай бұрын

@@inplfwThere’s definitely the benefit of hindsight. I’m not trying to imply that this strategy will always be the best, it’s the strategy that will work best on average. If we an average over all the possible layouts I think that the backtracking would be more inefficient on average. As a toy example we could consider left and right as both being dead ends, in which case the strategy oats used took more time to reveal an equal amount of information. I remember during another race there was a small heated room he decided not to go through, although it was possible with his current items. He backtracked and ended up returning, without having any more items and just a room or two after had some useful stuff. I kind of think that oats should be doing more of a “depth first” search, because there is a lot more time-wasting back tracking involved in “breadth first.” Also if you go deep, and end up not getting anything super important, you still keep the information about the rooms and can just reset to the last save. I think it’s good that Oats changed his strategy to save frequently, depth first lets you exploit this more.

@inplfw 4 ай бұрын

@@robvdm tl;dr A prioritization of depth-first doesn't incentivize either path because at the time of the decision it was 33 seconds traversing known areas to check a single door. I reject your premise that the route Oats took cost more time. He makes the call to abandon Thread the Needle at 1:33 and he sees the missile door at 2:06 -- 33 seconds. When he returns to Thread the Needle it takes him from 2:40 to 3:13 to traverse -- again, 33 seconds. The information gained took an investment of 33 seconds for both paths from a similar origin point. Only with hindsight can you persecute the route he took and add on the time spent going from Landing Site back to Thread the Needle. Honestly, with the paths being practically time-equal, I'd even argue that checking right side of Landing Site was the correct call because (if he didn't scuff it) that choice has the added benefit of a save at the ship on his way to a single door check. I'll agree that depth-first is important, but it should only be a tool in a toolbox. The decision making should always be dynamic. For instance, a further lean into breadth-first would've helped him if he peeked into Thread the Needle at 0:30 instead of heading directly towards Big Pinks items because he could've made the call to head back towards Landing Site while on the move instead of stopping to consider it at 1:25.

@TheBlargMarg 4 ай бұрын

Now I want Samus in a bikini but over her power suit sprite, and the bikini gets smaller with each suit upgrade.

@Super_Ammo 4 ай бұрын

I could fap to that.

@GoodBiDad 4 ай бұрын

So like One Piece Power Suit ▶️ Modest Bikini Varia ▶️ String Bikini Gravity?

@Zeithri 4 ай бұрын

12:40 - And it was at this moment, Oass almost quit the seed straight out. We all know his aversion to Sporespawn :D

@zarnox3071 3 ай бұрын

40:07 I see TrueDevilFox mentioned a potential Metroid gunship lego set, and there has actually been a three-in-one set submitted to LEGO Ideas. Unfortunately, it was rejected after reaching the goal for consideration for offical production.

@BRHency 4 ай бұрын

So I've got a positive for this run: at 1:34:36 the escape timer matches the run time so far. One of the rare runs that this will happen!

@ElleDoesThingysLol 4 ай бұрын

wearing feminine clothing over heavy plated armor is such a power move

@Podzhagitel 4 ай бұрын

😬😬

@TheHairyNord 4 ай бұрын

Hey all - hope everyone has a great weekend! Oats, thanks for the upload!

@Trollthem 4 ай бұрын

I wonder when will oats do desolate difficulty and more than 'tricky' item progression, that is literally what i use to chill when i'm sleepy

@h8reset194 3 ай бұрын

I don't like when is enraging fr seed, but the struggle is reaally funny sometimes like the gatekepper Spo haaahhaahaha

@erikhawkke4861 4 ай бұрын

But Oats, did you try R-Mode?

@coffeelover07 4 ай бұрын

Had to fight sporespawn 3 times... this was a really bad seed. 😂😂

@zarnox3071 4 ай бұрын

That skin is amazing.

@thewindwakinghero7423 4 ай бұрын

12:14: are those blocks normally there in forgotten highway?

@qactustick 4 ай бұрын

Yes. Map rando doesn't really make any changes to rooms from vanilla. The only instances I can think of are putting room to stand on both sides of the crab supers tunnel transition (Main Street Everest connection), which is normally entirely morph ball height, and a transition being added to the right entrance of the room exiting Mother Brain (first room of the vanilla escape, with the closing gates).

@thewindwakinghero7423 4 ай бұрын

@@qactustick So this WHOLE time that I was trying to collect as many items as possible without defeating bosses I could go that way? I did *almost the entirety* of suitless maridia, and there was just a block for the back entrance to wrecked ship? Just went and checked. Words can not describe how PISSED I am.

@RezuSlasher 4 ай бұрын

@@thewindwakinghero7423Oh, if you mean in vanilla, this wouldn't open up any items for you anyway. The etank doesn't spawn until Phantoon is defeated. (But if you mean in rando.. Rip)

@thewindwakinghero7423 4 ай бұрын

@@RezuSlasher I was trying to do a challenge: collecting as many items as physically possible without killing one of the four main bosses. The back entrance doesn't even drop me off where I thought it did, so it didn't help anyway. For some reason, I thought I could get gravity (and all the missles) without killing Phantoon The only room I thought I was actually locked out of was the super missles room.