Trekyards EP277 - Romulan Bird of Prey (Pacific 201)

[@Spacedock]

Every design that comes out of Pacific 201 is just so cool, really incredible work from EC Henry.

[@markplott4820]

I commend Eric for creating Star Trek better than Discovery.

[@josiahclinch6219]

AMEN SPACEDOCK! You know that cbs should hire him. AND DUMP THE LAWYERS AND THE DESIGNERS FOR JJ TREK AND DISCOVERY!

[@DrewLSsix]

Mark Plott. Eric throws visual continuity out the window = awesome! Discovery does it = booo! Eric bases story in an historically violent point in trek history and bases it arou d conflict = Brilliant! Discovery does it = its not what trek is about😢😢

[@ulfsark78]

My thoughts exactly. Fuck STD and that pizza cutter, get this guy and get some good ST stories

[@ulfsark78]

There's a big difference between updating a ship design and turning the Klingons into giant turd monsters with spider web armor.

[@TheMoreThingsUniverse]

201 is a re-imagining of classic Trek from a more realistic standpoint and it awesome, I love Eric's work.

[@seanoneill9606]

Indeed.

[@ulfsark78]

I LOVE this guy's designs. They are just so much more ... REALISTIC.

[@Ithekro]

I love the somewhat out of nowhere explanations that suddenly make total sense and you want to see it done in the already existing Star Trek episodes. Particularly the engine/recator pod idea for the TOS Bird of Prey. That needs to be a thing.

[@richardched6085]

In my headcanon the Federation had discovered a way to see through basic stealth Devices by the mid 2160s and made "Invisibility" truly impossible until the 2260s when the Romulans created the first true Cloaking Device.

[@vaos3712]

Actually really love that bird of prey. It gives it a very rugged military look something that could be build quickly and inexpensively. Because if you think about it sculpting a ship takes time and materials. Where as building a whole bunch of easy to build parts and putting them together, means that you could build a fleet a lot quicker.

[@resurrectedstarships]

Lmao!! "It's a window. But it's NOT the bridge.

[@marcusdelancy2434]

This ship is by far the best Romulan design I've ever seen! Quite recently I've encountered the UESPA Protector design, (aparently Romulan war era) with similar styling.

[@stevenewman1393]

🖖😎👍 I'm sorry on not to affend any one but the Pacific 201 Romulan Bird of Prey looks like it truly belongs in more of the Kelvin time line in the JJ Universe!🤔?.

[@MrLeapinLizard]

I honestly wish that this was the Romulan Bird of Prey of Enterprise, it fits the aesthetic of the that show so much more than the "green" one that was featured. I often thought that the "green" on looked like something from the TNG era.

[@davidlamacchia970]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, star trek deserves this guy we need him, his ideas are genius, the new god of trek

[@samuelyoung5664]

This is one of if not my favourite ship design, especially for the time era.

[@shinjofox]

Another nicely done job by EC Henry.

[@jaywiegs1712]

This ship seems like an A-10, basic components to make a simple war ship that can be easily mass produced.

[@jesse33cdn]

Great vid boys! Can't wait for Pacific 201! ❤️

[@seanoneill9606]

Neither can I.

[@reverendbernfriedaxewielde8443]

CBS should see Fanfilms as chance to pull talents and not fighting them. WTF, That guy is so awesome and different from standard Trek and yet still faithfull. CBS sucks.

[@DrewLSsix]

Marc-Antonio Geht dich nix an. So... even if they recruited them their own projects would be cancelled.

[@TheCastellan]

Too many egos and arrogance with executives. Bean counters who think they have talent and intelligence, when really they have neither.

[@FLAME456X]

That I definitely agree with. This comment of yours Castellan just verifies in my mind why these CBS executives don't give a damn about the fans or their content but are only in it for the money $$$$$$$$$$.

[@FLAME456X]

Indeed. I mean look what happened to Axanar. And Star Trek Horizon after it finished. I mean the producers of Star Trek Horizon never got a chance to even do a sequel or prequel after their right to do either or one was pulled from them by those CBS pigs.

[@saquist]

I LOVE the landing configuration

[@donaldhill3823]

I like it. It feels older to me and more like what I first imagined Earth would have had to defend against during the war when I heard it described on TOS.

[@josegodoy8461]

Awesome video. Get EC Henry in more often

[@rikuurufu5534]

Romulans are related to Vulcans. What appears white to us appears bright red to them.

[@robwong7206]

I want a Pacific 201 series instead of Discovery. :3

[@samuelyoung5664]

It's built modular for easy repair and upgrading. Very practical.

[@My-Name-Isnt-Important]

Looks futuristic, but yet also clearly an older looking Romulan design. Enterprise should have had more designs similar to Pacific 201. Its very well done.

[@seanoneill9606]

I'm eager for this to be released. It would be good to see him on Trekyards again with an update.

[@singingtoad]

I really like this ship. Good work.

[@Foomandoonian]

"Welcome to another Trekyards. I'm Captain Foley", "And I'm Commandnercodkinss." 🤔

[@illmade2]

Wow it looks like something from Star Trek and it even looks like a Romulan ship, something must be wrong.

[@mikedignum1868]

This is a cool looking ship..Well done Pacific 201. Now, where can i get the models?

[@Trekyardswebseries]

None of these ship models are available anywhere to download. They are exclusive to the productions they were made for.

[@mikedignum1868]

Shame.

[@morganb6717]

check out EC Henry's channel. as is explained in several of his videos; if you are able, you can opt to be a patron of Pacific 201 and be granted access, from Mr Henry, to 3d renderings you can visually explore on your own.

[@moonmorth]

Really interested in the modular design aspects. But I did have a interesting question if a warp core work to really go critical what kind of damage what it do? Would it Break apart debris into a it's base Adams? Even if not still seems like most of the ship it Would probably be unable to be saved as far as usable parts goes.

[@barrybend7189]

Can you ask CBS/eaglemoss to allow your ships to be made in models.

[@WaybackTECH]

I enjoy this kind of stuff. Peoples ship designs are always nice to see. I think this ship looks an awful lot like the Romulans salvaged a saucer section from a federation ship and added bits to it. I also think the Romulans would not be above stealing and buying technology from other races as they needed to kit bash ships together.

[@DrewLSsix]

WaybackTECH the original ship looked an awful lot like a gederation ship. Saucer ish hull and nacelles that could have come right off a fed ship.

[@MrMartechi]

I like to imagine the success of "modular designs" in the Romulan War, as Henry described it, is the origin of Saucer-Separation and Multi-Vector Attack modes in later eras - it would be a good historical background for this feature. It also looks to me as if the practical approach of Starfleet shown in Pacific 201 eventually prevailed. After becoming very simplistic and smooth in the TOS era, Starfleet designs got more and more detailed later on. So, while the designs of Pacific 201 have a more "realistic" and contemporary feel to them, they are also in some way a hint at the future of Starfleet design in the long run.

[@scarlet2k189]

I wonder if these green glowing elements on the wings would be disruptors too... Would be a rather heavy armed vessel then.

[@markplott4820]

lots of older starships had more guns, redundant weapons and systems, By Next Gen they reduce total amount of weapons but make them more efficient , Ring Phasers and Single tube torps but with 6 shot ability.

[@gallendugall8913]

Pacific 201 looks amazing.

[@gallendugall8913]

I love the little bits holding the wings on. It reminds me of some of the STO klingon designs with thin bits like string connecting them.

[@thepicatrix3150]

It look awesome. but I feel something is lost by not making it more swoopy. He said it was "NASA" these are not human I think there cultural ways would still be more swoop

[@enterprise-h312]

17:20 Have you seen the picture of the Romulan singularity drive (interior) from the Star Trek magazine? You can find it by going to google images and searching for “Romulan engine”. According to this picture they do use Deuterium.

[@markplott4820]

Its in Nest Gen :FASA but before that no mention of Singularity Drives.

[@richardched6085]

I assume the Singularity module was jettisoned as soon as the Enterprise was detected. The commander didn't want the Enterprise to track it's Quantum Singularity signature and then ordered it be ejected.

[@Anlushac11]

I could see the stylized ships as needing more time to finish to perfection. The Balance Of Terror BoP would be a simplified design to speed production and conserve resources. This one in video could be a even more simplified design to speed production in lower tech shipyards.

[@11nolaboi]

We need more romulan ships!!!

[@seanoneill9606]

Indeed.

[@abrr2000]

it feels like a ship designed to emulate the human ships that won the war.

[@jasonbarkman]

Did he ever create a model for the big warbirds?

[@SnowwyAI]

Looks like the Romulans did variable geometry pylons waaaay before Starfleet did.

[@novax-ig9yt]

I think this is a really awesome design, and would fit right in during the Enterprise era. However, when painted white, for some reason, it looks too "Earth." Maybe a bird of prey painted on the hull would help?

[@Asachana]

Why are so many ideas from the fans SOOOO MUCH BETTER then those from offical CBS?

[@TheCastellan]

Not bad. Only thing I don't like are those pistons on the wings.

[@jameshunt4978]

Maybe the dish could be used like a mobile listening platform

[@Exploder11]

I would explain the ENT Romulan ship as being made for atmospheric entry, and the Pacific 101 version being space only. It's not perfect, because the earlier ship has square leading edges with softened corners, but it's close.

[@DrewLSsix]

Major Diarriah. Its not like the ship needs to generate lift, amd with half decent shield/forcefield tech the shape interacting with the air would be infinitely variable depending on what you want. I supposed a while ago that a forcefield or shield bubble might be expanded enough to effectively lift a ship like a balloon. A vacuum baloon is quite a powerful lifting device if you have something capable of resisting atmospheric pressure.

[@Exploder11]

DrewLSsix I'm with you on the shield shaping idea but I think the ships always drop from orbit with shields down in the case of Voyager and shuttles. Still, using shields for entry is more sensible to me. I'm kind of leaning to the idea the shaping is part aesthetic but also part obsessive warp field optimization. Like the difference between streamlining and wind tunnel testing; the former looks faster and gives a small benefit, and the latter might look faster but definitely is far faster. That way it's like the shaping only really matters by TNG where is pops up again to an extreme degree.

[@beejcarson]

A great design. It should have been the model for ENT. That being said i wouldn't mind seeing it in SNW.

[@keytide]

It's a nice design but, like the Pacific 201 itself, I'm really not keen. Good job on the video, guys.

[@jlokison]

Maybe I am out of touch with Star Trek cannon. I know in TOS they don't say what they use for power on the Romulan ship, however later in TOS the Romulan alliance with the Klingons result in puchasing D7's and I assume would not change the powerplant. In the movies the Klingon Bird of Prey they capture and take back in time to Earth is using dilythium crystals and mater/antimatter just like the Federation. By TNG the Dideridex is using artificial sigularities because although more dangerous produces more power than antimatter and works better with the cloaking device. Is their any canon source that says what the Romulans used for warp power prior to the temporary alliance with the Klingons?

[@gmon78]

Is this still getting made after the whole Axanar thing?

[@power543]

yes :) its has just about all been filmed!

[@gmon78]

power543 Awesome! I really enjoy fan films. New Voyages/Phase 2 was great.

[@PeterMydlo]

i thought the romulans used fusion reactors in that time and switched to quantum singularity later. a fusion reactor in the shape of a tokamak would fit in the circle shape perfectly. and that could explain the oversized deuterium tanks on its back.

[@readhistory2023]

I like it except for the dish antenna.

[@markplott4820]

makes perfect since , a dish antenna opposite of the direction of home base, yea, Right !

[@xheralt]

It's side mounted, could aim at home base while vessel is pointed forward...but also, if you patrol the Neutral Zone, paralleling the border off your left wing, the dish will point straight at home. And making sure the NZ remains sealed would be the #1 priority of post-war Romulans.

[@DrewLSsix]

Mark Plott. Dish antennae are used for more than communication.

[@alancarter3142]

just so cool 👍

[@TonyAnytime]

Spaceships in space should probably have a dark side and white reflective side like space shuttle. The temperature difference can be massive -200 to +1000, so depending on how close you are to sun and your temperature you face whatever side you need. Of course when your interstellar it doesn't matter, everything is going to be pitch black. As far as detection, you probably want one cover it in some radio and light absorbing material. We will still be using radar and ladars in space. So stealth still works the same. but human vision is irrelevant. So no need for windows. If someone farts/flashes in interstellar space nobody cares.

[@markplott4820]

that's why the 1701 Enterprise were painted in a White Thromcoat of Paint, as technology improved, this was Removed on the Enterprise class starships in the Motion Picture area, both because it saved Starfleet Money, reduced the total Mass and was no longer needed.

[@DrewLSsix]

Tony Anytime. The shuttle had a dark side for reentry, if it were a true space ship it would have been a uniform white or light grey. And the tiles were not black for any special reason, thats just the color of the material. And stealth definitely does not work the same in space, it doesnt work at all since its just not possible to get your radiant heat lower than ambient. To any other ship looking your starship is going to be lit up like a christmas tree.

[@StevenHouse1980]

cheep rapidly made, built on a shoe string(201) VS master artisan ship(ENT) VS regulated mass production ship(TOS)

[@morganb6717]

to claim the Romulan's are borrowing ideas from Starfleet design doesn't stand up when it doesn't look like the Romulans took much effort in trying to adapt it into their own design ideology. to me, this design feels more like Starfleet's attempt to produce a Romulan inspired ship. this is, from what i could gather from his overall reaction, why Samuel wasn't immediately taken with the look.

[@vivomega3937]

Is it just me or is sam a hell of a lot more nitpicking with this ship than STD, and it is a shame that STD has people that don't know what ST is. P201 knows ST and clearly trek fans and this is a sweet looking ship

[@Trekyardswebseries]

Samuel is just as nitpicking on Discovery ships, we just know less and there leap in technology that is some what out of left field is hard to analyse in a canonical sence. Eric however actively works to fit everything into the timeline and thinks it though. Samuel is just as analytical about Discovery ships, we all are, its just there is less to go on and Eric was right here to ask about every little detail!

[@richardched6085]

valor0dragoon this is Trekyards being honest. Discovery is a case where we can't be honest because being honest with Discovery is painful and causes sadness.

[@vivomega3937]

I hope sam didn't my comment as as disrespectful or anything, its just watching all of the videoes you guys have done and he isn't half as nitpicky on them. I have noticed that Sam barely ever said anything negative about STD when there are glaring issues in front of him and doesn't judge it, where this ship we see him nitpicking the hell out of it. And I do have a hard time believing it was because the creator was on, because iI do believe he nitpicked another ST ship hard in the past(Can't remember if it was fan or canon though). Back to The ship which is great and the thought behind was well done

[@histguy101]

valor0dragoon This what I gather from these EC Henry videos. EC Henry just hates Enterprise. Clearly. And maybe Sam is turned off by him always making this known, and therefore defensive. You're absolutely right, he is borderline rude to EC in some of these interviews. That said, I also feel a bit turned off by Henry's attitude. His ships are cool, but every design choice he describes, he gives his reasoning of "Well, Im fixing the 'mistakes' of Enterprise."(Paraphrased and summarized)

[@seanoneill9606]

@@vivomega3937 It's just you.

[@tungstenwall474]

I really wish ST:E continued to the Romulan war. Just imagine Earth and Romulus fighting it out with their beautifully sculpted ships at first. Only for both sides to evolve into soulless War-bricks by the end of the conflict. Both (lack of) architecture would influence TOS ships. And the respective cultures would only start really influencing their ships by TNG era (like the Galaxy and D'Deridex).

[@rain-vo8ib]

the green is like steampunk the white one is like cyberpunk

[@wargodsix]

Tos and ENT need a bit of a neck and beek I'm a kit basher so I'd prob add the head from the known as Klingon bird of prey tho it's rumored a romulan design

[@jauregi2726]

YOU ALL guys should be working for Discovery!

[@shadscott6422]

Eric is brilliant

[@adrianbaker5916]

Make the Romulan turret weapon fire Plasma Bolts like in SFB!

[@hansebee]

nice one but the scale chart CANT be right... did you see those rows and rows of windows on the elegant ENT BoP? That thing is huge! Or those are no windows... kinda like with the USS Grissom, rows of windows say 350m, canon says 120m, both cant be right.

[@DrewLSsix]

Han Sebi tiny windows, just need peep holes really....

[@swirvinbirds1971]

I like it but it also kinda more looks like a Klingon attempt at a warbird.

[@emperorsean1]

how come federation ships couldnt have cloaking devices i know the definant had one?

[@enterprise-h312]

The USS Defiant was supplied a Romulan cloaking device and had explicit permission from the Romulan government to use it as a sole exception to the Treaty of Algeron. T'Rul was supposed to guard the device.

[@gmon78]

Sean OBrien Watch the TNG episode The Pegasus.

[@spudzillah_6175]

Federation was forbidden from having cloaks because of treatly of algeron but defiant was allowed for defiant solely

[@Hapokas112]

Interesting.

[@Asachana]

Beta Quadrant ….Romulus is not in the Alpha Quadrant

[@chrisgurney2467]

Yes more please

[@thepoliticalstartrek]

Maybe the loss generated un rest in the empire, So they went Tarkin doctrine. Ships made to strike fear in the populis.

[@JcBravo8]

This looks like a stripped prototype of the TOS bird of prey. Not a century ago.

[@David_J.E.]

Ugh. EC is such a qt. Big ol nerdy bear.

[@needparalegal]

Star Trek fucked up, they can't hold to canon, Enterprise really fucked shit up with all the designs that were clearly more advanced than TOS. And no you are not going to salvage wrecked ships to make new ships, LOL. It would be like building a Ferrari out of 3 wrecked Ferrarris.

[@needparalegal]

How the fuck were they planning to get back to Romulan space on Impulse?

[@cowboyborn]

I like it and I don't like it. I don't like the Direct TV dish. He tried to explain it, but not well. He has a thing for putting a dish on ships, I don't know why. The wings look like the Maquis Raider wings. Weapons are cool. The landing view was awesome. I do like this better than Pacific. I hate the Pacific. The saucer looks like an upside down Excelsior saucer. If you look at Pacific from the side view upside down it looks good. His NX Class redo is awesome.

[@kalajel]

Modular Romulan ships. Now, where else have I hear that?

[@The_Irish_Fox]

kalajel I have no clue

[@Avenger85438]

What dou you think of this Bird of Prey redesign norsehound.deviantart.com/art/Romulan-Warbird-105351007 I like to imagine it as the TNG successor to tthe original seeing as we see so few ship classes other then the Warbird.

[@smeghead765]

I really like it. The claw on the nacelles is a great touch.

[@LazarusRemains]

EC Henry thinks properly about design lineage. His designs would have been far more appropriate than ENT's actual designs.

[@bsmnt23]

All of his designs are great; highly detailed and just wonderful to look at. I just don't like them for Star Trek. They just look TOO good and detailed and real fake science-looking for Trek. Especially with the way they've been cracking down on fan films, I really think I would have rather seen him make a completely independent production instead.

[@gaetanbard102]

Sorry to say, but those engines look like vibrator. Steel punk vessel with nuclear missal as propulsion.

[@bobbylight5850]

do Achilles class

[@techstepman]

its a beautiful ship! just not a star trek one. Overall the design doesnt make much sense. Why would someone use sausers and curves and then decide to go steam punk? it needed a simpler wing design. I think hes overusing random details in his effort to make something new...the pink has got to leave!

[@emersonenriquehernandezcar4595]

And the antena dish looks so Millenium Falcon... take it out.

[@markplott4820]

One thing that has always bothered me about Fictional Spacecraft is why don't they Paint them All Black ? First they would automacically be more stealthy, second it would also be more Tactical. and whats the deal with Visable lights on a Starship during battle ? Its not Tactical. Tanks and Infantry vehicles have IR thermal Dams, Starships should have a way of Truning off all the external Lights in Battle.

[@JEMHull-gf9el]

black gathers more heat. Same reassume you don't see a lot of black airplanes.

[@morganb6717]

how well can you make out the color of something at, say, 5 kilometers away? -in the dead of night. you could paint a submarine pink with neon green polka dots and it would be just as effective in its job; in the depths of the seas, just as in deep space, light is not a ready commodity. in-system, where a ship might be shed in the light of the local star, then yes hull coloration might matter a smidge but combat would be (or should be) handled at such a distance that identification is only done via sensors. space is the great deep black. spaceships would, indeed, have a way of turning off exterior running/steerage lights during the course "battle stations" just as modern navies do, subsequently subtracting any proximital light sources which might otherwise make present the hull's coloration. in space, no one can see you're green.

[@markplott4820]

regular Black Paint bad, But carbon impregnated Black Ball Pant is good, the use it in our Stealth Program, also the SR-71 Habu was black as well.

[@xheralt]

When it comes to stealth in Trek, color is frankly irrelevant. Unless you are close enough to a star to reflect its light (albedo). Considering all of the other magic "stealth" technology has to do (mostly involving dumping and hiding the waste heat of your habitation module and engines), and absolute electronic emissions discipline, color is the _least_ of a cloakable ship's problems...

[@ShinkuRosetta]

Same reason they don't paint planes blue.

[@SCALE.TIPPER]

Why the rudeness to the guest designer though?

[@emersonenriquehernandezcar4595]

I do like it... and at the same time don´t, you make a Romulan ship desing by humans.

[@karlstarns1454]

Have y'all ever seen this twitter account? It's a parody account of Gul Dukat tweeting as Donald Trump. twitter.com/realGulDukat

[@stink1701]

Following now. Hilarious!

[@resurrectedstarships]

Window color way too pink. Other than that it's awesome!

[@TonyAnytime]

I know why you humans were so depress, they saw Discovery on NBC.

[@JEMHull-gf9el]

I don't like it. Its just my opinion. I'm sub'ed to Ec henry, and think he's immensely talented but I just don't like this one at all.

[@markplott4820]

This is NOT Canon. TOS or Pre-TOS Romulan starships did NOT have any Singularity power cores, they had conventional Impulse Systems and Conventional Warp core systems similar to Federation / Klingon Technology. It was when the Romulans began their Isolation after TOS, that they completely rethinked their Designs. and Invented a Artifical Singularity warp core. the A - Type warbird (FASA) was supposed to be the Testbed for the NEW Artifical Singuarity warp core. but was Never seen on screen .

[@90lancaster]

I think he's suggesting they are highly dangerous and that is why they are a separate eject-able piece. I agree in principle though here is an idea. There is two ways to get a singularity in your ship capture one or make one. I'm not sure which is harder to do though both seem hard - but singularity power sources are the next phase. the usual order being. Chemical Nuclear Fission / Nuclear Fusion possibly with some photonic drive types Anti-matter Then the weird stuff like Singularities & Worm holes If you want to get more over they top after that then you are dealing with crazy things like farming Energy from other planes of reality pocket dimensions or even zero point energy. But perhaps Zero point energy might actually be easier to master than making your own Black Hole power plant. or even making your own micro-singularities. Access to Anti-matter would help with that - it's quite possible they just happen to have some weird area of space that they can farm singularities from though.

[@thribs]

In the Enterprise novels, they were developing the signulity warp cores for warp 7 I think.

[@markplott4820]

90 Langcaster - If I remember my ST : Connology correctly, Romulans were still using Non-Dilithum 25 - 1 engines, they also had better Impulse Systems than the current Starfleet but at a cost, no Warp at Cloaking. too much power consumption. Warbirds w/o the cloak actually performed Better.

[@soulenoid6701]

No shit its not canon this is a fanfilm

[@MrRandomcommentguy]

This would have made a way better design for the USS Discovery....

[@NeonVisual]

FIRST!

[@thribs]

Looks like more of a Transformers design than Star Trek.

[@The_Cyber_Nomad]

Nope

[@MrRandomcommentguy]

It is pointless to retcon reasons for TOS era ships to look primitive and boring and undetailed due to in-universe reasons. It's due to a fundamental stylistic, budgetary and technical difference between TV production of the 1960's and feature-film production of the late 1970's. Everything in Trek from ST:TMP onwards remained at that level of detail and visual sophistication. TOS is the odd one out and should be disregarded completely in visual or stylistic terms. Nobody takes anything about the 1930's Flash Gordon visuals the slightest bit seriously anymore and it should honestly be the same with TOS.

[@TheCastellan]

TOS looks rather advanced to me. Sleek, smooth...to me that's advanced. And ignoring TOS is like pissing on Jefferies' grave. and many of us LIKE TOS.