Protestantism's Most Misused Bible Verse

[@zadokmotorfreight2423]

THIS!!!! I simply did not have this kind of clear teaching when i left the Catholic Church and essentially became a sola scriptura Baptist for 20 years. I'm so thankful for my mom challenging me to listen to Fr Mike Schmitz's explanation of John 6 (the real presence of Jesus in the Eucharist). That got me on the path back to THE Church. I received the Eucharist after 24 years at her memorial Mass. Thank God for you, Trent.

[@BensWorkshop]

Welcome back home!

[@EricN571]

🙏🏻🙂

[@michaelgabriel5786]

Welcome home, my brother in Christ! This warms my heart coz I have had difficult conversation with the Baptists, and have been praying for their conversion.

[@zadokmotorfreight2423]

Thanks guys!

[@bman5257]

This is beautiful to hear, God bless.

[@ahvk-i6t]

As a calvinist who is a convert to catholicism, I appreciate your videos very much.

[@SaintPaul-bp3qr]

Hey. Can you let me know your thoughts on the recent video by Crusader Apologetics on why he left Protestantism?

[@Aninetehradactul]

Convert back to Calvinism , it’s far superior to the roaming catheter faith🤢🤢🤢🤢🤮

[@silloweet]

What made you give up double predestination

[@SaintPaul-bp3qr]

@ He was predestined to give up double predestination

[@ASR-n6d]

@@silloweetew! Don’t become a molinist. Billions must believe in double predestination

[@MrTylergallenbeck]

“Stop calling every fart a sin” has been added to the mental bag of quotes lol

[@oz_jones]

"No Patrick, mayonnaise is not a si... I mean an instrument."

[@mil-ns3rc]

Your pollution of the environment

[@SarahBearah2023]

Same here

[@TKOTraddish]

My four-year-old is going to use this against me…

[@mil-ns3rc]

@@TKOTraddish 🤣🤣

[@TheDuemaster]

Protestant here. Came into the video thinking I would disagree with everything you said, and while there certainly were some points I disagree with, I came out with a better understanding of Catholicism. Thank you.

[@MrKev1664]

Christ be with you what are those points? perhaps we can help. God bless you

[@FoundSonofMary]

God be with you, sibling in Christ. Praying for you now.

[@sweatt4237]

They they don't believe in the finished work of Christ. They believe in the temporary or partial work of Christ, that's a major issue.

[@Me_Caveman]

​@@sweatt4237 Who is "they?" Catholics believe this?

[@jimmy5634]

It’s Biblical period. Ask him how does he explain the teaching of “indulgences” which is in direct conflict with scripture and was created by Catholicism.

[@jaysonm4472]

I was once entrenched in Protestantism and used these verses many times to refute the Catholic Church. All glory to Jesus Christ and His special grace that I came home on Pentecost of 2021. “Late have I loved you, O beauty ever ancient, ever new.”

[@irritated888]

Welcome home!

[@BensWorkshop]

Welcome home! When someone quotes Ephesians 2:8-9 I always ask what is in verse 10.

[@austinnajar]

@@BensWorkshopI have no issue with verse 10 as it refutes Catholic theology even stronger. Good works are the fruit of a salvation and eternal life already given and received, not the root of an eternal life still to come.

[@BensWorkshop]

@@austinnajar It doesn't. Either you misunderstand Paul or Catholic Theology.

[@austinnajar]

@@BensWorkshop it’s possible I misunderstand Catholicism but my assertion of that is based on the 2 hours I sat down with a priest and hashed out my understanding of Catholic doctrine.

[@pieterb.4964]

As a protestant, i really appreciate this video. I´ve been struggling with this for many years. I looked at Galatians 5, and Pauls explanation of walking according to the Spirit, but this topic about walking according to the Spirit is hardly ever talked about in my church in grew up in. Or just as an hypothetical. I need to watch this video again, to really wrap my head around this. im loving it!

[@FriedCatfish2003]

Don't be deceived. The truth lies in because we have faith we will walk not because we walk and have faith we will have eternal life. Our works are indeed still nothing, no earthly penance will cover our sin any better then the holy sacrifice of Jesus Christ our Lord. While yes some prodistent churches do not preach the gospel correctly and some not at all that doesn't change the misinterpretation and misrepresentation of salvation given. No baby is saved by baptism that is ridiculous, babies go to heaven when they die based on the age of accountability. The gospel and how to go to heaven is so simple. Accept that you are a sinner Believe on the lord Jesus christ Choose to accept him as your savior.

[@crobeastness]

Only protestants don't believe in infant baptism. All other Christians (Catholic, east orthodox, Coptic) not only accept it, but find it necessary. Actually, it's not even all Protestants that think like you. The reformers also baptized their babies.

[@pieterb.4964]

@@FriedCatfish2003 Look, i did all that. I got the t-shirt. I believe in my salvation, but am wondering what it means to "walk according to the spirit". It looks to me like Paul is talking about a new and spiritual law we have to follow as christians. We do'nt follow the law of Moses, and expect salvation. And yet, if we keep on living in sin. Walking according to the flesh, our salvation means nothing! Thats how i understand it. We need to daily pick up our cross and follow Him. Repetance is not just an one time thing. It ongoing. We have been born again to walk out a new life. It's like salvation has to be worked out. Just like Paul is saying. Nothing "automatic". It needs our devotion and daily obience. Not out of fear of damnation, but because we have been called to do good works. Edit: I got baptised as an baby as well as an adult. So accourding to both traditions, i have nothing to worry about.

[@Sentinal6405]

​@@FriedCatfish2003" no baby is saved by baptism that is ridiculous " what is ridiculous is not knowing that baptism washes away Original Sin

[@glennyskitchen9491]

That's why so many people go to hell, because they think they can't lose their salvation and keep sinning.​@@FriedCatfish2003

[@johanfick3932]

Thanks for this explanation, Trent. As a Protestant, I’ve always been taught that there is a necessary connection between salvation by grace and living in obedience to Christ. If we truly love God, we will be eternally grateful for His grace and salvation, and that gratitude will naturally lead us to obey Him, which in turn produces good works.

[@DanielAluni-v2t]

Sounds good 😊

[@bridgetgress]

Catholics would actually say that any good work we do comes from God, not from gratitude, which is a bit nebulous. Trent is explaining this so that Protestants can understand that Catholics not believe in works-based salvation, but there are things we must do to cooperate with God in order to "work out" our own salvation.

[@timothy209]

@@bridgetgress I agree it's dubious. I'm sure there are unbelievers that act like saints

[@finallythere100]

Thank you for your respectful reply. The problem at its root seems to be that most Protestants that we see on social media are out to fault find or perpetuate their anti-Catholic beliefs (a pre-established agenda.). On the other hand, you are seeking to understand d what it is Catholics actually believe and teach. Of there is good communication , there would not be anywhere near as much disagreement.. Many Catholics have also sincerely delved into want Protestants have told them .. bc Catholicism has a zero tolerance standard - and so many of us played “devil’s advocate” of you will. Those who persist do go full circle back around to Catholicism. It’s the only road worth pursuing. That said, there is so much inspiration to be found among our devout and sincere Protestt r brothers and sisters in.Christ. .

[@DanV.Teachings]

​@@bridgetgress 1. Grace is the Source of All Good Works • Philippians 2:12-13 - “Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.” • Ephesians 2:8-10 - “For by grace you have been saved through faith… not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand.” Good works are not separate from grace-they are the result of grace at work in us. 2. Faith & Works Are Not Opposed • James 2:24 - “You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.” • Even Martin Luther added the word “alone” to Romans 3:28 to fit his theology, though the Bible never says we are saved by “faith alone.” Catholics and Protestants agree: We can do nothing apart from God (John 15:5). But true faith naturally bears fruit in love and obedience (Galatians 5:6). 3. The Early Christians Taught the Same • St. Augustine (5th century): “He who created you without you, will not justify you without you.” • St. Ignatius of Antioch (110 AD): “Be not deceived, my brethren: if anyone follows him that makes a schism, he does not inherit the Kingdom of God.” Even the earliest Christians saw faith and obedience as a response to grace, not as earning salvation. 🔥 Powerful Quote 🔥 “We are saved by grace alone, but the grace that saves is never alone.” - St. Augustine Final Thought Catholics do not believe in earning salvation-we believe in cooperating with God’s grace. He works in us, but we must respond in faith and obedience. God bless! 🙏🔥

[@mikeb4402]

Just discovered your channel. I’ve been binge watching since.

[@haminetalks2453]

same

[@Womb_to_Tomb_Apologetics]

Going down the rabbit hole. 🐇 🕳️

[@d3adp94]

We welcome you!

[@alisterrebelo9013]

Welcome to the channel!

[@SaintPaul-bp3qr]

Hey. Can you let me know your thoughts on the recent video by Crusader Apologetics on why he left Protestantism?

[@tunlandfarm9444]

As a Reformed-minded Protestant, I want to thank you and other like Matt Frad and Bishop Barron for outlining the actual Roman beliefs which I’ve only known through caricatures. I doubt I’ll ever become Roman Catholic, but it’s good to know that, in many things, we aren’t so far apart as some would have us believe.

[@Joelthinker]

You'll get there! ;) I was just the same as you a year ago!

[@macroglossumstellatarum3068]

Now that you see that the Catholic position is reasonable, it’s time to investigate whether the reformed position is as well. God Bless you man, thanks for sharing!

[@gator4357]

@@Joelthinker Then what do you say about the Catholics that studied and Left Catholicism due to the CCC doctrine not being aligned to Scripture?

[@Joker22593]

​@@gator4357 People are capable of interpreting both the CCC and scripture incorrectly. Interpreted as intended, the two are perfectly harmonious.

[@classicalteacher]

@gator4397 I would suggest you read the CCC and the Scripture assigned to each paragraph. Lots of people aren't Christian because they don't like the Bible. That doesn't disprove Christianity. They just don't understand. The CCC doesn't contradict Scripture. People that left Catholicism that say it isn't aligned don't understand it either.

[@eyefisher]

I normally listen to your videos while watching. Today I watched. As a designer, I love the clean style you use to display the verses and quotes with the book next them. Beautiful, timeless and classy work by your graphics designer or team.

[@leonmatata3722]

Wow, as a Anglo Catholic, I must say this is very insightful and the way you break down St Paul's Epistles is just amazing. God Bless!

[@joshuakelly7070]

Have you considered joining the Catholic Church fully. I’m English, and a member of the Catholic Church, it’s a beautiful thing.

[@rukidding-y2c]

​@joshuakelly7070 Many Anglicans would happily but for a couple of little "niggles." And they are not what you might think. It would take too much time to explain. But it is NOT The Pope. It is CERTAINLY NOT The Ever Blessed, Ever Virgin, Holy Mary Mother of God. Simply: You would have us deny that we are Catholic in order to become Catholic. I've been making my communion for 60 some years, but you would insist that I haven't. NO WOMEN PRIESTS OR BISHOPS. NONE BUT LEGITIMATELY ORDAINED CLERGY (Though you would say NO). A couple of other things that may be just misunderstandings. I hope it can be, ultimately, worked out.

[@justokproductions222]

⁠@@joshuakelly7070have you considered joining the Anglican Church? I’m a member of the Church of England and it’s a beautiful thing

[@emilyzlockard]

Nicely done, @justokproductions222. :) But seriously, have you heard of the personal ordinariate of Our Lady of Walsingham, or of the Chair of St Peter in the US? For those who want to be both Anglican and in communion with the pope, it’s the full Anglican liturgy, evensong, etc. They kept all the stuff they loved. Sounds like Anglican minded folks have a lot of options! :)

[@c.Ichthys]

​@@justokproductions222 why would anyone join a church whose head is not from God, but the founder, wicked King Henry VIII, and to this day the monarch of England is the head of the Anglican Church? No Apostolic succession and some heretical beliefs.

[@zacharyboudreau9127]

Very good use of thumbnail! Well done. And, of course, excellent rebuttal.

[@SacredReason]

Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit: As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, world without end. Amen. Hallelujah.

[@markc4176]

This guy is a false teacher, fyi, and catholicism is a cult. 1 John 3:23-24 makes it clear that ZERO of the things required by catholicism are biblical. Salvation is by faith alone, and we are saved ONCE, sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption, and the evidence of that seal is the love that we show through others, for the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, gentleness, and temperance. This guy is either lying or misguided.

[@SarahBearah2023]

Amen

[@markc4176]

@SacredReason Trent is a false teacher, and catholicism is a cult. And we have the scriptures to prove it.

[@idestiam]

Can I respectfully add that speaking of “bearing fruit” is a powerful message and that the branches which do not bear fruit will be cut off and burned. Also the parable of the seed sower demonstrates this starkly, as well as the parable of the talents.

[@rich1147]

Just thought half an hour ago, "haven't had a Trent video for a while" (4 days lol), good timing!

[@sarinat3101]

Hi Trent, I'm an atheist who enjoys theological and philosophical discussions. While I disagree with you on many things, I've started enjoying a few of your videos. I think you're one of the very few honest apologists I've seen, and I appreciate that you try to respond directly to points rather than deflect away from them or just respond to a point that wasn't made.

[@elysenapoli6395]

Thank you. I converted from protestantism last year and I noticed that I believed that I was forgiven for all time from all my sins past, present and future after baptism. I was shocked to see verses that I apparently ignored for years to believe this. It really opened my eyes and has me worried for my protestant brothers and sisters.

[@champagne.future5248]

It’s amazing how selective our mind can be in reading scripture. This is what keeps us in disunity

[@empackmanmueller1725]

Read trents book why we are catholic. Also a must read is lambs supper and 4th cup by Scott Hahn. Will make you appreciate the mass even more! Godbless

[@SockieTheSockPuppet]

"It really opened my eyes" And yet, you think switching to a more Catholic mindset is "converting".

[@mrjeffjob]

I am a cradle Catholic turned evangelical turned revert Catholic. Her’s what I learned. Catholics don’t work FOR salvation we work FROM it. It is God Who is ALWAYS the initiator of everything whether faith or works of righteousness. We only RESPOND to Him or not. If we respond with our will to cooperate it is now ONLY through His grace working in us that enables us to do ANYTHING. Jesus taught us this with the vine and branches story. If we do anything with only our natural powers that action is merely philanthropy and it does not build up the Kingdom. This is why the Church teaches about mortal sin because it separates us from Him and His power at work in us.

[@sweatt4237]

But didn't Paul say that nothing can separate us from the Love of God? Rom 8:38-39 How can we (the redeemed) be separated as you claim "mortal sin" does?

[@ungas024]

@@sweatt4237 You can fall from grace, the bible's repeated warning is not enough for you?

[@sweatt4237]

@@ungas024 Yes my friend, unbelievers CAN fall from grace. How? By trying to do exactly as the RCC teaches. Galatians 5:4 For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God’s grace.

[@ungas024]

​@@sweatt4237 Satan doesn't believe God exists? he did, but he still fell from grace, isn't he?

[@sweatt4237]

@@ungas024 My friend, do you think that I or any other Protestant in the entire world thinks that salvation comes by believing that God simply exist? Come on now. I'd love to chat with you but let's be honest with our time. So yes, unbelievers, those who reject the FINISHED work of Christ and his perfect atoning sacrifice can fall from grace as Paul warns. But to those who the Father has, "28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." John 10:28

[@ribbit1964]

God bless you and your ministry!! Thank you Trent!! 😇

[@matthewdaniel1172]

When they quote Ephesians 2:8-9, I just immediately follow it up with the very next verse.🎤 “For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.”

[@sammygomes7381]

When did God have us receive sacraments or pray to Mary?

[@jabelltulsa]

Trent, this video highlighted Paul’s confidence in his salvation and the forgiveness of his sins. It’s helped me to let go of past sins I’ve confessed and to be mindful of my scrupulosity. Thank you. I appreciate that.

[@busterdee8228]

It's a testament to how loving God's correction is.

[@DiariesOfShone]

Hey, Trent. I wish that you have your videos in other languages, for example, Malayalam. We have many Protestants in Kerala where Saint Thomas came and spread the Gospel. There are many cults that are part of Protestantism in Kerala, such as Jehovah Witnesses and Pentecostalism. Please translate your videos.

[@nicanorfredricksbirdrealm228]

I am from Tamil Nadu. Didn’t know Jevohah witness were I Kerala. Rarely see them here.

[@humbirdms2784]

Amen protestantism in general is a man made cult that is outside of the New Covenant

[@St.Luk3]

Pentecostalism is probably the biggest cult in Kerala. They lose every debate against Catholics and even Jacobites but they still claim to be the one true faith out of ignorance. They also end up being the laughingstock of Christianity there especially when they go completely mad at their “revival meetings” and get slain by the kundalini spirit

[@macroglossumstellatarum3068]

Why don’t you volunteer? I can’t imagine there are many fans on YT who share your knowledge of the language and it could do a lot of good

[@joytotheworld9109]

Is there any decent translation software that might pre-generate captions/sub titles that can be proof read and published, perhaps on this channel or another, reuploading with permission. Could be God wants a local native speaker to arise and take these and other good arguments to the people and arguments of those heretical cults.

[@Superman111181]

there's a lot going on here so it's hard to respond adequately. But essentially what you're saying is salvation starts as a gift. then you have to maintain good works to keep it. and this is the rub for Christians who are "protestant". it's not enough to say "initial Salvation is a gift guys. we agree." salvation, in is entirety, is a gift or it isn't

[@bdaproductions9370]

Exactly

[@robertkolinsky1286]

It's entirely a gift but we can depart from that gift if we throw it away.

[@bdaproductions9370]

@@robertkolinsky1286 so how do you know you haven't thrown away your gift?

[@robertkolinsky1286]

@@bdaproductions9370 ofcourse because to commit grave sin in catholic theology there are three things necessary, 1. Grave matter 2. Full knowledge of grave matter, and 3. Full consent/ sufficient reflection. So if all these are met its very easy to know when we throw the gift of grace away. No one goes to hell by surprise.

[@Superman111181]

@robertkolinsky1286 really? how do you know this?

[@Theklay1354]

The thumbnail is so on point 👌😆

[@marcusmazzei6248]

Love your content Trent!

[@juliusa7307]

I converted from Islam to Catholicism 13 years ago. Thank You Lord Jesus Christ for the Catholic faith❤

[@sammygomes7381]

Have you tried the Christian faith?

[@macroglossumstellatarum3068]

Banger video!! The Traditional Catholic also had some great responses to a Jeff Durbin video that featured the same misunderstandings of many of these quotes

[@AndyfromPBG1]

No, it didn't. It misrepresented Durbin's videos, which is what Catholics do unfortunately.

[@jamesamurdock93]

@@AndyfromPBG1😂 according to you, defending a man who bashes Catholics

[@aubertcordon8606]

Born and raced Catholic in Guatemala. The problem with the church as I was growing up, was that the Catechism that was offered when I was growing up was so shallow, they never explained anything with any theological depth. And I went to a K-12 Catholic school were nothing deep was ever thought. So the protestants were able to convinced many Catholics because they had no idea what they believed, or what they should believe. Now the Catholic church is trying to play catch up.

[@annb9029]

Truth

[@SockieTheSockPuppet]

An unfortunate side effect of being stubborn and refusing to listen to legitimate criticism from the Reformers.

[@davidgallegos4771]

Great video trent !

[@billcynic1815]

I'm starting to think that the actual disagreement on "works," when you get to the core disagreement, is actually a debate between monergism and synergism in salvation.

[@MeganBryant-b5q]

So fascinating to hear these commentaries on Luther's life! I am a very comfortable Catholic convert and have never had questions of faith or belief at all, but have occasionally struggles with the weight of my sins, similarly to how it was described of Luther. It would be interesting to read a book focused on these personal struggles of Luther and the Catholic answers to them.

[@Draezeth]

I'm a non-denominational who's essentially Protestant, and I found this video very informative. My church has a very similar view of salvation and work as what Trent explains here, and I found it eye-opening to learn we have a similar view. I just wish every Catholic knew this. Often, it's only in responses to Protestants that I find out what Catholics "really believe". When speaking with lay Catholics, I can almost guarantee they will not know about this, and that's sad! It also leads to a lot of legalism, faulty logic, and outright idolatry. If the Catholic church conveyed these ideas more consistently and accurately to the laypeople, I wouldn't be so opposed to Catholicism.

[@Our-Lady-of-Mount-Carmel]

My friend, don't oppose the faith because of the knowledge of some lay people. Christ said to his disciples: “I will not leave you orphaned” (Jn 14:18). For, “when the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth” and “he will teach you all things” (Jn 16:13,14:26). When the Lord’s words were fulfilled, the Holy Spirit descended on the Apostles and they were guided in fulfilling the will of God, which was to establish the “church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth” (1 Tim 3:15). For the Lord declared to the Apostles before his crucifixion that: “You are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it” (Mt 16:18). Christ established the Church on the foundations of the Apostles and it will always triumph, “for the church, which is his body, [is] the fullness of him who fills all in all” (Eph 1:22-23). This is the one holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church as stated in the Council of Nicaea at 325. God bless you!

[@maurac44]

You're right, we've been having a crisis of catechesis for decades. I have great hope for the next generation of Catholics.

[@Chamdar17]

Dude is laying out the judgement proclaimed at the Council of Trent on his channel The Counsel of Trent, namely that God's grace is NOT irresistible, that one MUST WORK for God and not reject his grace, day in and day out. Thank you for your videos!

[@xaelath7771]

If grace is only for initial justification, then ultimate justification is still something to boast about - as it must be earned by an unspecified quantity of good deeds, making the doer a better man than his peers. Surely then it would be better to drown in the waters of baptism than to go on living? And if works are required to attain ultimate justification, how can anyone know that he is justified? But John writes in his 1st epistle: "These things I have written to you who *believe* in the name of the Son of God, so that you may *know* that you *have* *eternal* *life*."

[@atgred]

Forget “Saved by Faith Alone”! What about “Judged by Works? ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭16‬:‭27‬ “For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then *he shall reward every man according to his works.”* ‭‭Romans‬ ‭2‬:‭5‬-‭6‬“But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; *Who will render to every man according to his deeds:”* 13 “For not the hearers of the law are just before God, *but the doers of the law shall be justified.”* ‭‭ 2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive *according to what he has done* while he was in the body, whether good or bad. Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before God; and the books were opened, and another book was opened, which is the book of life (Rev. 3:5); *and the dead were judged by the things that were written in the books, according to their works.* 13 And the sea gave up the dead that were in it; and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them; *and they were judged each according to his works.*

[@xaelath7771]

​@@atgred If we are judged by our works in that sense, we are all already damned. What good then is grace? Yes, judged according to their deeds, as recorded by the books. But only those whos names were not written in the Book of Life are thrown into the lake of fire. Meaning that, their are those who are judged for their deeds, who would otherwise be condemned, AND are also written in the Book of Life, and are saved. That's grace.

[@luisaymerich9675]

If you are going work out your salvation (Philippians 2:12), you do so in fear and trembling. Those who do so boasting are like the pharisee (Luke 18).

[@InspironGantry]

@ Rom 2:13 then immediately leads to the conclusion that no one is justified by their works. You can argue from the others but Rom 2 is a non starter.

[@jaydubs679]

@@atgred Not arguing with you, agree with everything you said. However, I often wonder if the passages talking about "judging according to works" mean the righteous persons place in heaven.

[@heberfarnsworth]

Nice job. This is the kind of well-thought-out material I come to this channel for.

[@JohnHenrysaysHi]

Good day, Trent! Hope your family had a blessed Feast of the Presentation of the Lord February 02, 2025! Prayed for you and everybody here at Mass yesterday and today in my Rosary. Hope you and yours have a light-filled peaceful joyful week!

[@ThornyCrown-l5d]

Mary cannot hear a word you say because "only God knows the hearts of men". Would you like to know the verses?

[@BensWorkshop]

@@ThornyCrown-l5d Mary is with God.

[@JohnHenrysaysHi]

@@ThornyCrown-l5d Good morning! I've written multiple times trying to reference Bible Verses, and explaining saint intercession, which doesn't contradict Jesus being the one mediator, and everything flowing through Him, but they didn't work. Mary is not God (I believe in only one God and worship one God according to the First Commandment, unless I'm being prideful putting my will before Him, making myself my own god). She is a saint, but being that she is with Jesus in Heaven, I ask for her intercession to our Lord (and for sake of brevity, I'll say I "pray to Mary"), similar to how I'd ask people pray for me (please do! I'm a broken sinner in need of many prayers), but I trust she is a saint in Heaven so I believe it is helpful to ask for her help, especially being so close to her Son. There is only one God. He is the source of all good. He is Goodness. He is Love! "To love is to will the good of another." -St. Thomas Aquinas 1 John 4:16 We have come to know and to believe in the love God has for us. God is love, and whoever remains in love remains in God and God in him. Hope you and yours have a great week!

[@ThornyCrown-l5d]

@@BensWorkshop Your reply, no matter how true, does not vindicate your position, which I thoroughly refuted by the words of the very God whom Mary is with. Face it. She CANNOT hear your prayers, period, case closed.

[@ThornyCrown-l5d]

@ Just because Mary is in heaven, does NOT mean she and all the others have been given the attribute of omnipresence, which you unwarrantedly read into the Text. Scripture is CLEAR in 3 places that ONLY GOD knows the hearts of men. And I'll bet in all your previous writings, you did not reference even ONE of them. Am I correct? Or do you even know the 3 verses of which I speak?

[@YolBasDa]

Protestants don’t misuse any verse or chapter or word of the bible. We very many Protestants read believe and obey the Bible and see it as the word of God, to us the Bible is our authority. The Holy Spirit helps those who have given their hearts, their lives to Jesus and accepted Jesus Sacrifice and accepted Him to be our Lord and God and Saviour, at this Jesus accepts us to be His redeemed children and fills us with His Holy Spirit to dwell in our hearts to help us to read understand and obey the word of God our Holy Father.

[@hoi-polloi1863]

Look... end of the day, Catholics and Protestants alike are both on "Team J". Ask a Catholic and a Protestant whether they believe in God; whether they should do good works; so many questions, you'll get the very same answers. Honestly, we should stop squabbling with one another and go find the nearest atheist or pagan and share the Word with them!

[@partydean17]

Wow What an episode, ive learned so much here. Youre a blessing Trent and team!

[@maxiomburrows2099]

The word sacraments comes from the Latin sacramentum, which was used to translate the Greek words mystērion (mystery), baptisma (baptism), and eucharistia (thanksgiving). However, nowhere in the Greek Scriptures do these words imply a ritual that confers grace. The idea of sacraments as channels of grace comes from the Latin concept of sacramentum as a solemn obligation-a later accretion into Church tradition, not a biblical teaching.

[@charlesjoyce982]

Paul says eucharist is a partaking of the body of Christ. It certainly was ritualized duruing Paul's time.

[@maxiomburrows2099]

@@charlesjoyce982 Yes, Paul says the bread and cup are a participation in the body and blood of Christ (1 Corinthians 10:16), but nowhere does he say they confer grace or are necessary for salvation. The Lord’s Supper is a commanded act of remembrance (Luke 22:19)-not a means of imparting saving grace. If salvation came through rituals, then Paul would not have said, “For by grace you have been saved through faith... not a result of works” (Ephesians 2:8-9). So again-where does Scripture say sacraments are necessary for salvation?

[@charlesjoyce982]

@@maxiomburrows2099 saving grace comes from faith, but particpation in the sacraments is a part of the necessary living according to the Spirit that comes after saving grace is received. Good works and sacraments are not optional.

[@maxiomburrows2099]

@@charlesjoyce982 Faith in Christ produces a transformed life, but Scripture never says sacraments are a required part of living by the Spirit. In fact, Paul contrasts faith and works, saying: We are justified by faith, apart from works of the law (Romans 3:28). Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? (Galatians 3:3). His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness through knowing Him (2 Peter 1:3)-not through sacraments. Good works are the fruit of salvation, not the means of receiving or maintaining it (Ephesians 2:10). So where does Scripture say sacraments are a requirement for life in the Spirit?

[@charlesjoyce982]

​​​​​​@@maxiomburrows2099 Sacraments are part of living according to the Spirit, which is a requitement. They are not optional. They are commanded by Christ and His appointed leaders. Hebrews says obey your leaders. Obedience to the Church hierarchy is commanded and necessary. Do you think Paul would downplay the sacraments like you do? Eucharist was a very important part of Christianity from the very beginning. Not optional.

[@lambification]

Excellent video. Definitely one of my favorites. Thank you so much. God bless you and your family.

[@Steve_Schiffenhaus]

Non-secular & even evangelist translators understand “Works of the Law” to mean “Works of the Torah” Jewish Law - it’s quite obvious he was referring to - “You don’t have to be Jewish first” to receive Salvation & as Trent said Luther was projecting his own feelings about the modern Catholic Church onto Paul….. the only comeback I’ve seen is usually - “Once saved always saved” & once you show that there is no direct Scriptural basis or if you go with an indirect or taking out of context Scriptural reference it causes other Scripture to severely conflict - at this point they argument devolves from being Scriptural to “You really think God can fail?” Or “Wow, Catholics really think they can resist God” & insults start flowing…… I have had sweeter encounters - God Bless them - those devolve into a less Scriptural and more Spiritual that they feel Jesus in their heart or his presence as confirmation of their view - the view that once they truly believe and accept him in their heart - he takes command of the wheel and they will not gravely sin and do good works according to his works - until death otherwise unless if they fall into Grave sin at some point before death then it must mean they were wrong - and that’s my biggest concern with that theology - there is no framework what to do then - imagine being so convinced you had it right only to find out you were wrong - how do come back from that psychologically - in the Catholic framework you are not set up for that kind of failure and how to rectify it - you are told even Priests and the Pope go to confession - the best amongst can fail - but like the Father of the prodigal son - Christ is always available to us to return to, confess, & do penance - we don’t receive an expectation of perfection that is doomed to fail at some point due to our human nature and temptations of the flesh that do not abate

[@AndyfromPBG1]

Non-secular & even evangelist translators understand “Works of the Law” to mean “Works of the Torah” Jewish Law No, they don't- who told you that?

[@Steve_Schiffenhaus]

@@AndyfromPBG1literally in the NET Bible’s translator’s notes p. 2166 - it is referring to Mosaic Law I.e. the Torah - in fact they go on to mention the main debate amongst scholar is whether is means Mosaic law (The Torah) in general or specific portions such as circumcision, eating kosher, etc…. NET Bible was put together by Protestants, mainly of the Evangelical sort This is generally accepted by most Scholars both secular and non-secular

[@dankmartin6510]

@@Steve_Schiffenhaus That is literally the only thing it could be with nothing else but the context of what The Law means in the Bible: but protestants seem to think they can just say whatever they want with no restraint and it isn't a problem.

[@InspironGantry]

On the contrary, we as Protestants expect we will sin. Not even the Methodists expect perfection. We're much bigger on the badness of human nature than you. We accept Romans 7. We simply believe that God's grace covers us as long as we go on trusting / believing in Jesus. The first thesis of Luthers 95 is: "The entire Christian life should be repentance". TBH, the Catholic framework looks full of holes; too many mortal sins, and questions about what happens if you die with an unconfessed sin, etc.

[@KH-ox7ur]

Hi Trent. I am thankful to the Lord for your clear and concise teaching and insights. I am very much a Christian but very much not a Catholic. I am interested in an apologetic on the veneration of Mary and the Saints. Do you have something on this? Can you suggest someone who does? Again, I ask you because you show yourself to be faithful and fair and you clearly communicate Catholic beliefs, without a hint of vitriol against those of us who choose to follow Christ faithfully but not in the Catholic tradition. Thank you.

[@macroglossumstellatarum3068]

Trent has great videos on this as does Joe Heschmeyer. Suan Sonna also has some amazing breakdowns on the history of saint veneration.

[@BigStack-vg6ku]

I am not Catholic, but I moderate for Catholic Answers. I believe that I can learn what the church teaches without being harassed by mean, uncharitable people. I also mod for five other very different faith traditions so I can learn how they see things..God bless your discernment!

[@busterdee8228]

@@BigStack-vg6ku That's a BIG plate. Well done. A friend who became an astronaut once asked me what I thought of her lax beliefs. I answered with the question: how do you respond to truth when you encounter it? She said she conforms herself to it. I replied, then God will find YOU.

[@BigStack-vg6ku]

@ I just want to know the truth as much as it is possible for us humans. I don’t and won’t let the human aspects affect the teachings. God bless you 🕊 🙏🏽

[@lidiaduplooy3385]

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[@tonyl3762]

Finally, a complete articulation! Yes, certain works are required to REMAIN saved. Much better than the "just avoid mortal sin" you and Jimmy have said in the past.

[@shlamallama6433]

Agreed

[@billmartin3561]

What works exactly do you think are needed to REMAIN saved? No, there are none. We only need to avoid unrepentant mortal sin. A man who converts on his deathbed has no works required for salvation.

[@silloweet]

Would be true if God didn’t elect people to be saved before they were born

[@tonyl3762]

​@@billmartin3561 Not a matter of what works I think but what works Jesus thinks: Then he will say to those at his left hand, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.' Then they also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see thee hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to thee?' Then he will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it not to one of the least of these, you did it not to me.' And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." You sound Catholic.... If so, are you not aware that there are SINS OF OMISSION (not just commission) and that such sins can be mortal? "just avoid unrepentant mortal sin" is a very misleading formulation. If so, let's not argue like a Protestant appealing to extraordinary circumstances like the thief on the cross or a sincere deathbed conversion. No one is arguing the moral necessity of the impossible.

[@tonyl3762]

@@billmartin3561Not a matter of what works I think but what works Jesus thinks: Then he will say to those at his left hand, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.' Then they also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see thee hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to thee?' Then he will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it not to one of the least of these, you did it not to me.' And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." You sound Catholic.... If so, are you not aware that there are SINS OF OMISSION (not just commission) and that such sins can be mortal? "just avoid unrepentant mortal sin" is a very misleading formulation. If so, let's not argue like a Protestant appealing to extraordinary circumstances like the thief on the cross or a sincere deathbed conversion. No one is arguing the moral necessity of the impossible.

[@hoi-polloi1863]

I keep coming back to 2 Corinthians 5,10: "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad." That speaks strongly to me that our Lord is keeping an eye on our works.

[@brianwilliams-se5jy]

@@hoi-polloi1863 judging your works has to with the rewards you receive in heaven not your salvation

[@hoi-polloi1863]

@@brianwilliams-se5jy That's fair, a good insight! To deepen this discussion, I'll mention James 2:17 "Even so faith, without works, is dead" ... which suggests to me that the two are really closely linked. End of the day, salvation is shockingly *easy* to get. The good Lord *wants* you to get it. I have this mental image of being on that great southbound elevator, and Jesus telling me "There's still time!" (Silly image, but bear with me) I suppose the point is that when we say we have faith, what does that mean? Is it verbally saying, "Yes I believe", or is it a faith that so suffuses your life that good works automatically flow from who you are? Just somethin' to think about!

[@brianwilliams-se5jy]

@@hoi-polloi1863 You'll know a tree by its fruit, I think "works" is a lot broader category than most give it credit for and many concentrate too much on performing religious "traditions" rather than living a life loving God others and treating them as you would like to be?

[@HKFromAbove]

Again another video lumping Protestants as Calvinists. Your refuting Calvinism.

[@lambification]

I don’t think Trent lumped all Protestants as Calvinists. He quoted several Protestants who agree with what he is presenting. He also mentioned that many Protestants do believe infant baptism is not wrong and mentioned other points of agreement. He quoted Luther’s agreement for crying out loud

[@mandkshields]

​@lambification actually, the idea of infant baptism is not widely supported across protestant denominations. Only a handful denominations believe this way. Better to focus on the areas of agreement on these verses and where they can be misinterpreted by Christians. Most Protestants that I know with agree with Trent's idea on this verse (other than the idea of infant baptism).

[@pascalpowers]

for real, I agreed with most of this video and I'm not Catholic

[@YouTubeBinge-q1p]

Protestants: Ephesians 2:8-9 Me, a Catholic: OK.

[@MikePMAcc]

RE: Phil 2:12-13, If we supposedly have the assurance of salvation why does the Scripture say "...with fear and trembling", rather than "...with courage and confidence"?

[@twinkiesnails8857]

I hope this helps; New and old testament references to this statement translate/and or imply "reverence and awh" the original translation of the word fear in hebrew duely meant reverence. To imply the breath taking beauty of being in the presence of the Lord our God causes a sense of immense reverence and... idk how you describe it, but like that jitterly feelings of excitement, feeling exhilarated, like imagine the feeling youd feel of excitement and blood rush of meeting someone super super important, and now youre in their presence and you cant even believe it they are giving you their time. And to work out our salvation with fear and trembling implies utterly submitting ourselves to God and giving outselves up to him. Which is why he says to "work it out yourself" because its utterly between us and God alone, no one can actually give us salvation for us. Only we ourselves can go before the Lord and submit to his will. I hope thats helpful

[@MikePMAcc]

@@twinkiesnails8857 Thanks. I can see your point. Still...

[@alfonstabz9741]

@@twinkiesnails8857 what's to work out for if you are already saved? what is to work out for if you can't lose your salvation?

[@twinkiesnails8857]

@alfonstabz9741 it has nothing to do with salvation. Again it means the initial submission. You work that out with God. And only YOU and God can come together in genuine submission, with the professing of jesus christ, that you will be saved. You dont lose salvation unless its an intentional rejecting of God from your life. Everything you do is in submission to jesus

[@smsmsm94]

​@@alfonstabz9741it's as simple as that full stop

[@JesusIsGod123-o2p]

Honestly a great video. Thanks Trent

[@Wgaither1]

Are penances the priest gives after absolution necessary for salvation? If you don’t do them will you do damned? Wasn’t there a time in the Catholic Church one had to do very rigorous penance before you got absolved from your sin? I find that even more problematic

[@alhilford2345]

Catholic are obliged to perform the penance imposed by a priest in the Sacrament of Confession. Failure to do so would be a sin of disobedience. Yes, the requirements for penance have varied over the past two thousand years. "...will you do damned?..." Nobody can answer that question for you, because God Himself will be our judge.

[@Wgaither1]

@ Why would the priest need to tell you to pray, if that’s the penance? Shouldn’t that be something we do every day? And how is that punishment?

[@JC-zb1db]

​@@alhilford2345so does this mean that in Catholic doctrine salvation is never sure?

[@Cklert]

@@Wgaither1 If you're comitting a mortal sin, you are not praying enough regardless. There's never such a thing as too much prayer.

[@RealBobLoblaw]

Thank you for this cogent and straight forward teaching. I was raised a protestant in the arminian theology but later educated in a more calvanist or reformed theology but this is very clarifying

[@enderwiggen3638]

True That verse says faith is necessary and it’s due to mercy. Not that your good works earned it. But what it doesn’t say like you show is that it’s faith alone or that no good works are needed. Jesus said that we are made for good works and that in his beatitudes expects us to do good works.

[@AndyfromPBG1]

faith alone or that no good works are needed It specifically says that. Literally. Not literally like teenagers use it. Literally.

[@enderwiggen3638]

@andy I hope you read this entirely especially the verses around the Good Samaritan. If you believe in scripture … then what Christ says directly should be of equal or higher importance than what an apostle says. But if you read all I wrote you will see the apostle did not contradict Christ nor does Christ contradict the apostle. The apostle did not use exclusionary language at all. For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God- not because of works, lest any man should boast. - Ephesians chapter 2 verses 8 and 9 It says faith not “faith alone” as you wrongly claimed Andy. This is your putting a word into scripture that is not there. The text also says this is granted by grace by God and not by any works man may do. This text does not say good works are not needed. That is also a meaning you add to the paragraph which is not there. In fact you would have to discount what Christ said directly to us in the gospels and say that this paragraph is more important to have your viewpoint Andy. Luke 10 25 thru 37 … the Good Samaritan. Christ makes it very clear that to love thy neighbor is essential to salvation. It literally says that in verse 28. He goes on to give the parable of the Good Samaritan and what he did as a good deed to a neighbor in need while the so called faithful passed by that person in need. This is the most shocking story as the Samaritan were seen as heretical by the Pharisees … yet it is they who did the works of God that Jesus asks of us John chapter 14 verses 12 thru 14, Christ says if you believe in him (ie have faith) you will do the works (good works) that he does. John 13 verses 15 Ro 2 verses 9 to 11 Gal 5 6 also talking about how your faith working through love Gal 6 verse 10

[@ZippyDChimp-mr1tf]

Raised Catholic but now Lutheran.I am certainly much older and thus grew up in a different Catholic Church. Went to catholic schools from first grade through high school. Based on what you describe, our beliefs are much aligned now. I have had many discussions with family members and other Catholics as well that don't appear to have the same interpretation you bring here. It does give me hope however that some misunderstandings are now being clarified.

[@Our-Lady-of-Mount-Carmel]

That's quite interesting. Out of curiosity, what would be stopping you from joining the Catholic Church?

[@ZippyDChimp-mr1tf]

@Our-Lady-of-Mount-Carmel My wife and two boys. I married a Lutheran. It got me more involved in the Bible and Liturgy than I had ever been in my life. My parent's generation is now just about completely gone but I have a large number of close cousins that are all Catholic and very dear to me. There are some things that I can't reconcile and although I see Martin Luther as someone who that has brought about much good, I also see how his movement brought unintended division which has introduced many more false teachings into Christianity.

[@Our-Lady-of-Mount-Carmel]

@@ZippyDChimp-mr1tf Ah I see where you're coming from and that makes sense. But what things can you not reconcile specifically? Here's also some food for thought, but take this with a grain of salt: "A man’s foes will be those of his own household. He who loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he who loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me" (Matt. 10:36-37). Maybe the Lord is calling you back. God bless

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[@Jennifer-h9v6p]

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[@Jennifer-h9v6p]

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[@RosalbaL.McCurdy]

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[@Nomorehero07]

God bless you Trent for an amazing video.

[@pret0n]

13:57 Trent finally arrives at the common protestant understanding of the relationship between faith and works in salvation, which he doesn't refute at all as far as I can tell. God calls us to faith; we honor His call by doing His will, however imperfectly. If one says he believes but never obeys, that man likely never believed in his heart that Jesus is Lord. Thus you will know them by their fruits.

[@jonathanstensberg]

Then you agree that the doing of good works is necessary for salvation, for one rejects Christ by rejecting the doing of good works. You have simply arrived back at the common Catholics expression while thinking you have proven the Protestant expression.

[@timothy209]

@jonathanstensberg I think the pushback is that good works merit salvation when in reality we can't do anything to save ourselves. Therefore, we do good works as gratitude. Atheist are also capable of good works, but they are not necessarily saved. Good works in isolation does not benefit us

[@ghostapostle7225]

So, when we have cases of people of being christians for decades and then abandoning christianity, it means they were never christians in the first place? By this line of thought, we can never be safe of our salvation or even if are truly christians. It's a huge cope and very harming for our souls to think this way.

[@evancombs5159]

@@jonathanstensberg good works are merely a symptom of salvation.

[@pret0n]

@@jonathanstensberg God's grace is all that's necessary for salvation. The good thief performed no good works, but he is with Christ in Paradise. Had he miraculously lived a long life, he undoubtedly would have performed good works BECAUSE he believed. I don't believe I've really arrived back in the same place, but please tell me if I'm missing something.

[@TheBadTrad]

This could be a whole series! Another misused Bible verse by prots is 1 Tim 2:5. As usual, they’re clueless about that one too. 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️

[@thealexsau]

"The Church is one, and the chair of Peter is the source of unity." (Unity of the Church, 1) - St. Cyprian of Carthage (c. 200-258 AD)

[@BensWorkshop]

Cheers!

[@GaryCrant]

Well actually the church divided over the issue of the chair of Peter. It’s the cause of disunity

[@BensWorkshop]

@@GaryCrant No, the pride of the Eastern patriarchs is the source of disunity, not The Chair of Peter that Christ instituted.

[@ji8044]

Not for no reason was that written 200 years after the death of Jesus. LOL

[@GaryCrant]

@@BensWorkshop the side that is not claiming superiority over all other churches is prideful? Ok…

[@sivad1025]

It's got to be either: 1. Ephesians 2:8-9: For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 2. 2 Timothy 3:16: "All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness." 3. Luke 22:19: “Do this in remembrance of me.”

[@sivad1025]

Wow, I actually called it. Shows how misused the verse is

[@charlesudoh6034]

Well said Trent!

[@shaulkramer7425]

Thank you Trent, for the clarity.

[@Questions-l8r]

As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, “Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.”He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.” Luke 11:27-28

[@DanielAluni-v2t]

Now, put that in context with "all generations will call me blessed" and "I saw a woman clothed with the sun, a crown of twelve stars around her head and the earth 🌎 was at her feet."

[@alhilford2345]

Right. That is another Scripture verse that non-Catholics like to use because they think that it shows our Lord denigrating His blessed mother. Again, they misinterpret the Holy Bible.

[@Kitiwake]

Point?

[@user-wg5dm6oc3t]

What Jesus was saying in this passage is that it is more important to observe your faith above all earthly needs. Jesus was not belittling his mother, because if he was he would be breaking the commandment to honour your mother and father. And who was more blessed than the blessed virgin Mary.

[@Questions-l8r]

Mary was blessed because she believed and trusted God that she would carry the savior of humanity. Again it’s not her action, however it is her faith and obedience to God. Remember to be pregnant before marriage carries a death penalty. She trusts God to protect her.

[@rabbitvtwin6434]

Excellent. Thank you sir. 🙏🏼🕊️

[@vtaylor21]

Protestants also misuse “good works”. “Good works” are defined in Ephesians 2:10 as works created by God. Our faith does not create those works. God create those works.

[@DanielAluni-v2t]

Faith itself, as an act of the will, is itself a good work. And without works, it is dead.

[@Benlewis03]

@@DanielAluni-v2tfaith is a gift not a work.

[@DanielAluni-v2t]

@Benlewis03 as a grace-given talent, you use it or you lose it. Lukewarm, passive response to faith (or any other virtue) is unchristian.

[@Benlewis03]

@@DanielAluni-v2t how can you lose a gift?

[@InspironGantry]

@ Saving faith isn't an act of the will, it's a gift from God and results in good works. Yes, there's a broader category of faith, but that's not what we as Protestants mean by default when we say faith. That's just creedence, dead faith.

[@malcolmtas5601]

I had to battle on to 18:0 before I got a summary of the Roman Catholic view of salvation: that after being saved by grace alone all we must do is not reject salvation. That is NOT CONTROVERSIAL. You are not saying anything any reasonable Protestant would disagree with. However, if you want to understand why Eph. 2:8-9 is central to Protestantism, you have to go back to the beginning of the Reformation. Luther was later to say that, if anyone could have been saved by monkishness, it would have been him. Throwing himself into vigils and fasts, he went even beyond the requirements of the order. He sometimes went for three days without eating. He cast off the blankets allotted him, and nearly froze to death. In hindsight, we might wonder how anyone would think he could gain merit from God in this fashion, but the idea was to compensate for his sins (which were not grave). Essentially, he and his fellow monks were crucifying themselves: to do by themselves what Christ did for the whole world. Yet it gave him no peace. He could never be sure his self-mortification was sufficient. How could he be? The trouble with crucifying yourself is you can never get that last nail in. Then he tried the route of confession and penance. He once spent six hours in the confessional going over his misdemeanours until his exasperated confessor suggested he go out and kill his mother and father so that he would have something worth confessing. But Luther's problem was not the seriousness of his individual sins, but the necessity of getting all of them absolved. To his dismay, he realised that not only was it impossible to remember them all, but the real concern was the ones not even recognized because of the blind spot we all have to certain defects in our nature. The penitence system was geared to deal with sins one by one, but the real problem was that human nature is corrupt. We are not sinners because we commit sins; we commit sins because we are, by nature, sinners. This is where his reading of the Bible came in. The monk turned Bible scholar saw that all of the Catholic penitential system was, if not an attempt to win salvation by one's own efforts, at least an attempt to work hard enough to put oneself in a position to receive God's forgiveness. But that was not what the Bible said. Is it still like that?

[@SockieTheSockPuppet]

Well said.

[@immanuelcan3310]

Unfortunately for this argument, it's far from the only verse. It's just one of the clearest. Here, the objector is merely criticizing Calvinism, which is a minority position in Protestantism, and has its own problems...most particularly, that is believes in "irresistible grace." It's really two different issues he blends here: one is the condition of salvation (grace without works), and the other is the mechanism of salvation (which he wrongly assumes to be "predestination", whereas many Protestants hold that it is faith, and such faith that will issue in works -- not in order to be saved, but because one is already saved). Criticizing "Reformed Theology" doesn't answer Protestantism any better than criticizing Orthodoxy or Mormonism would defeat the Catholic Church.

[@luxither7354]

5:35

[@immanuelcan3310]

@@luxither7354 Doesn't really answer the question. "Working out" one's salvation doesn't mean salvation by works either. One cannot "work out" what one does not already have. The Greek verb rendered “work out” means "to continually work to bring something to completion or fruition." We do this by actively pursuing obedience in the process of sanctification, not in revisiting the question of our salvation.

[@jamesamurdock93]

So if we can agree that working it out with Gods grace because of love, then why reform in the first place?

[@immanuelcan3310]

@@jamesamurdock93 The issue is salvation: what saves, or more precisely, Who saves, and how? That's an awfully important issue, to say the least. It's literally a Heaven-or-Hell issue. You can't get a more serious disagreement than that, I would say.

[@jamesamurdock93]

@ if you watched the video you would understand by now that faith in Jesus Christ saves, & if you really trust in the Lord, works of love will produce. You are saved initially, but we don’t trust ourselves to be faithful our entire lives, so we must cooperate with Gods grace.

[@markrist4238]

Your presentation was as clear and succinct as I have ever heard. Certainly, other Catholic theologians/teacher have been as clear but never so succinct. Well, I guess, many if not most people, feel compelled to write when they want to quibble. Well, here's mine. I did not hear you state explicitly, though implied, that the doing of good works is the result of Grace. To sin is of the will alone. I mention this because both Fr. Garrigou-Lagrange and Fr. William Most (My wife always says, would you pick up that name your just dropped) are at pains to state and explain this. Of course, the Grace is Actual and not Sanctifying. I really miss those two guys. We used to hand out behind the movie theater and smoke while discussing theology. Lastly, there is Wallace Line that separates Prods and Catlicks. I read years and years of threads of Bible quotes by Catholic and Protestant apologists and neither will give an inch. Of course, they are more interested in keeping their faithful attached but gosh, at some point, walk away, or, listen to your podcast

[@MrKev1664]

Christ be with you you need to read the bible But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the return you get is sanctification and its end, eternal life. (Rom 6:22) If you want to reap eternal life you must sow good works (Gal 6:7-9) Come to Chris

[@markrist4238]

Ok, so what’s your point?

[@MrKev1664]

@ Christ be with you That the bible is clear salvation is by faith alone. That there is no comprise with the Truth, the truth is the truth. God bless you

[@Robert-bm2jr]

I have to agree with the first comment. When I was growing up, I didn't have this level of understanding of Catholic Doctrine. I think this is why so many Catholics have fallen away. The Protestants had a leg up on us for so long. But not anymore. Thanks Trent!

[@stevematheson7860]

I am exactly the same as you. Now I can't get enough and am happily ( !?) overwhelming myself. Not a bad thing. Natus Iterum Catholic am I!

[@StupidAnon-gn8ih]

2:40 I agree; Protestants _do_ misuse this verse. That said, regarding the examples you just gave and what the Catechism teaches, I think you've overlooked something critical; "What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! For He says to Moses, 'I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.' So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, 'For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.' Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens. You will say to me then, 'Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will? But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, 'Why have you made me like this?' Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?" Romans 9: 15-24 This seems to explicitly claim that God not only hardens peoples' hearts, but that there is some kind of selection made for those who are and are not hardened. There are multiple, per this passage, "vessels of wrath," that seem to have, likely among other purposes, the purpose of demonstrating God's power. Furthermore, I think when looking at John 6, where Jesus says “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father,” that's that not just academic; 'no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father, but My Father has granted it to everyone (or will, with the cross), so everyone can come to Me,' is not the message. The point is, He wouldn't be saying that _unless it is not granted to some, to come to Jesus._ . There's literally no point, no other possible reason for him to mention that, and the text even says, right before that, that Jesus knew from the beginning who among them didn't believe, and those two ideas are right next to each other in the text because they relate to each other. Not only does this seem to support election by grace, but Jesus also says he won't lose anyone that His Father has given to him (John 6:39), which sounds to me like he's talking about the people granted to come to Him, per John 6, because, again, Jesus hasn't moved off-subject from what he was talking about. 4:32 Category error; the obedience to The Son is, again, covered in John 6, when the multitudes ask what they have to do to work the works of God, and Jesus answers by telling them to believe in The One whom He sent. Your works are still gross and disgusting before God, and will always be gross and disgusting before God. What _isn't_ gross and disgusting before God, is Jesus as the acceptable sacrifice, which, I agree, offering Jesus as a sacrifice of worship rather than relegating the cross to only the sacrifice of atonement is something probably 99% of Protestants don't get (despite them being more than happy to constantly quote the verse about offering oneself as a living sacrifice) I don't believe that looks like what you're about to tell me it looks like. We're God's fellow workers, _when we are about our Father's business_ , working the works of God. _That_ is what obedience under the new covenant looks like. 5:00 Again, Romans 9, and John 6, seems to suggest otherwise. The salvation that Paul is talking about is not salvation from hell, but the kind described in Second Peter, Chapter 1, being saved out from the corruption of the world by partaking in our divine nature. Also explained in Second Corinthians 3:18. If salvation, as a process, is the 'work of God,' then it looks like Galatians 4:19 "My little children, for whom I labor in birth again until Christ is formed in you." Obviously, they have been saved, they've received The Spirit, Paul is talking to the Church, but Christ is, apparently, not formed in them yet. That is the salvation Paul is talking about. 6:00 Yes, that's reasonable. 6:37 Of course not. That kind of salvation, the continuing process of God's divine nature and life being worked out in a person, requires that we be fellow workers, participants, in that process. But if I were to ask you what that looks like, about practical steps to be a fellow worker with God in that process, i.e. being about The Father's business, what would you describe? Is it spending time at a soup kitchen? Mowing somebody's lawn for free? Attending mass? I don't think I'm going to like any answer you give me, but I'm looking forward to being wrong. 8:48 Whoa, hang on there; are we just going to forget about what he said in Romans 7? "O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?" Read the entire chapter, and it's surrounding context, and compare that to Romans 8, which follows immediately after. Paul _absolutely did_ agonize over his own moral state. However, he had an answer which set that agony to rest. That doesn't mean Luther wasn't making the exact error you described, but he wasn't totally wrong to see that part of Paul, he just didn't have the same answer that Paul did. 9:49 Except Paul describes a different Israel, and says, "not all who are Israel are of Israel." He explicitly talks about a spiritual Israel (and shortly after he starts talking about vessels of honor and dishonor in Romans 9, in fact, the notion of a true, spiritual Israel being the thing that prompts him to write the above-quoted section of Romans 9). 13:57 That amounts to the same thing. That's word-trickery to say the same thing, and it flies in the face of what Paul says in Romans 7 and 8, and 9, and what John says in 1st John about he that is born of God cannot sin, for His seed remains in him (same seed that Paul talks about in Romans 9, by the way). 14:03 Of course they say that. They say that because it's politic to do so. They don't want to follow the logical conclusion of their beliefs and say 'yeah, you can act like an absolute monster and still get into heaven,' because for them, salvation is _just_ about getting into heaven. It allows them to dodge the criticism of their doctrine that points out that once you get your ticket to heaven, you can do whatever vile acts you please. Yes, you _can_ miss out on knowing Jesus to the degree that you were meant to, on the opportunity to be a fellow worker with God and reap all the benefits that come with that, but you're _still_ in the new covenant, you're still one of the elect, you're just not getting any benefit from it beyond 'I'm not going to hell, yay.' 14:41 What about observing holy days and eating foods? Making other people stumble because of your food? Whoever does or doesn't, let him do or not do from faith? No, the 'works of the law' definitely do extend beyond the Torah, and at the same time, Torah practices don't necessarily fall under the law, even if that is where they originally appeared, "for whatever is not done from faith, is sin." 19:36 It certainly _can be_ . Is it _always_ , simply by virtue of the nature of the work itself? No. No. A thousand times, no. After all, you Catholics have a protocol for refusing communion to people for a reason, right?

[@shlamallama6433]

Catholics can believe in Unconditional election (like Thomas Aquinas does) but not perseverance of the saints, because we think God can give someone grace to be a true Christian and they can still end up in hell by God allowing them to fall away.

[@matthewgarcia2119]

Im going to put this here, since I have been watching these videos I have learned that I'm Protestant. I didnt know the term solo scriptura or any of these terms. I obviously disagree with you but I will rightly tell you that is simply because of how I was taught, but this is a new way to look at it and I really like how you teach. I will also rightly admit I misunderstood the stance of the catholic church. Im not a label guy but I do believe that the bible should be the main source for christians on everything first. There are some topics the bible just isnt concerned about and thats where we would turn to other sources but alwaysnthe bible first. Im subscribing. Looking forward to see more of your content 👍

[@scopilio13]

i hope you'll be more open to truly hear what the catholic church teaches now. much of the problem between protestants and catholics is not purely disagreement, but disagreement through misunderstanding. time and time again protestants will make a claim about what the catholic church teaches that is utterly false. they don't disagree with what we teach; they just don't really know what we teach.

[@alwaysathome]

Bless you! I've been watching Trent for a couple of years. He's honest, courteous and fair. I am a seeker of truth myself.

[@ninja3687]

What came first? The Church or the Bible? Jesus created a Church, the holy Catholic church founded upon Peter the rock and the Church canonized the Bible. Saint Paul died long before Revelation was even written. None of the Apostles were sola scriptura. There was no Bible until 300 years after their deaths.

[@beholder_the1st]

At last I've understood this. Thanks!

[@mazzaferroracing]

I heard a priest say “saved by faith” means saved by “faithfulness”….. faithfulness to Christ. There was no concept of mere mental ascent to an idea in the ancient world (which is how many Prots describe faith). This makes much better sense of the passage.

[@COD-y7s]

No it does Not. Saved by Faith means exactly what it says "Faith in Christ s works,not our own. You can add on meanings as much as you like but i will read what it says and take it for what it says.

[@johnfisher4262]

@COD-y7scongratulations, you are your own pope! You are the authority by which scripture must be understood. Again congratulations!

[@benedictjajo]

I don't understand, being faithful to Chris means what exactly? Sinlessness?

[@COD-y7s]

@@johnfisher4262 Aha, talk about throwing your dummy out!! I dont believe in a Pope. I believe in Jesus Christ, My Lord and Saviour!!.. Not some weirdo who sits on the 7 hills in Revelation!... Rome is built on 7 hills..... coincidence??

[@johornbuckle5272]

@@johnfisher4262 i have a Lord and saviour, given the choice of a pope or the Holy Spirit Hmmm

[@chrismaloney7562]

My go to line is always “faith without works is dead” from James.

[@michaelharrison8586]

Ok but how does that dispute justification by faith alone?

[@inlightconsulting9456]

Excellent! Good work (including the work of faith) is God’s work. Otherwise, it would be for our glory, not His. And this Protestant agrees that we must obediently participate in His work to finish the race, having won the prize. There is nothing of God in our lives without our obedience (John 14).

[@roberthaddad7850]

Excellent and comprehensive treatment of this controversial text. Well done🙏

[@b00g3rs21]

I have to say, when I do hear protestants use this verse, it only ever gives me the impression it's an excuse to not make any effort, but love is a choice, a verb and a lifestyle.

[@isaacortega9367]

Sorry you’ve been given that impression, from a Protestant perspective, you may hear this line of thinking because even when we hear “If you don’t obey you’ll be damned” so comfortably and commonly spread, my question arises well how obedient is obedient enough to be saved. I’d like to think most Protestants are humbly and honestly asking well if it’s based on my obedience I will fall short every time.

[@b00g3rs21]

@isaacortega9367 of course, we all fall short, but that's why Jesus gave us the sacrament of reconciliation. The Church truly provides an answer to this protestant dilemma and even details the nuance of what sins are damning and which are merely damaging.

[@carmendavis512]

Your impression is the result of misunderstanding protestants. I have never attended a church in which the pastor taught that our faith did not require action. Quite the contrary. Here is a very short list of the activities of members of the several congregations I have attended - fed and clothed the needy, - became missionaries to people not touched by contemporary technology. These missionaries and their families invested 10 years of their life living adjacent to the people, learned their language, shared the Gospel and translated scripture into their language. - provided for needs of wounded soldiers and their families - this is a very short list off the top of my head. These are a few protestant organizations that help fulfill specific needs - Angel Tree, which helps provide Christmas gifts to kids of incarcerated parents - An organization that refurbishes wheelchairs, which are then transported and distributed in countries with governments opposed to the gospel. The goal of this organization is to both provide a wheelchair and, mosf importantly, share the gospel in these countries. At an Indidual level, the difference between protestants and catholics is the expectation of benefit as a result of performing works. Protestants do not believe that our salvation relies on good works, but that good works is the result of our salvation. We do good only our love for God because we do not believe we benefit from the action.

[@isaacortega9367]

@@b00g3rs21 Interesting thanks for your feedback. I’ve been studying my Protestantism as a new believer while also trying to learn more about both Catholic and Orthodoxy. God bless

[@AdrianaMontemayor7]

WONDERFUL VIDEO

[@DynamicGracer]

Amen Ephesians 2:8-9 is talking about works of self, not works of Love and works of Faith

[@DDickinson458]

LOL when you said "There's one verse Protestants always quote" I shouted out EPHESIANS 2:8-9 like I was on a gameshow.

[@michaelbeauchamp22]

One exegetical aspect I almost never hear is that Paul repeats the phrase "for by grace are you saved" in a parenthetical a few verses earlier when specifically talking about regeneration, God making us alive with Christ. So, when Paul uses this phrase in Ephesians 2:8, it is most likely that he means to revisit the topic of regeneration and specify that it is by grace through faith. He does not have sanctification, progressive justification, or the sacraments of the eucharist or reconciliation in mind when saying that

[@knowbody6441]

St Paul definitely says in Eph 2:1-7 that being saved in the sense used in Eph 2:8-9 is the turning from death to life, regeneration. He goes on to tell the Ephesians they must remain in the light, renewing their minds. He speaks of Baptism saving, he mentions marriage (a sacrament) allowing a man to save his wife, or a wife saving her husband

[@codyh553]

Protestant here. So what are works? Are they good deeds? Are they things approved by the Catholic Church? And what’s the deal with indulgences?

[@Our-Lady-of-Mount-Carmel]

My friend, there are many different works. The main works can be categorized by prayer, fasting and alms giving. Indulgences are the remission of temporal punishment due to sin (not forgiveness of sins). Indulgences can also be considered as good works like I mentioned. Think of it like a torn muscle. A person needs surgery to fix this muscle (forgiveness of sins via confession) but a person also needs to strengthen this muscle (indulgences). God bless

[@SockieTheSockPuppet]

​@Our-Lady-of-Mount-CarmelWell that certainly differs from how that was conducted historically. Because typically you had to spend a certain amount of money to get an Indulgence, and rather conveniently some Priests lived very well off of repeated contributions.

[@Our-Lady-of-Mount-Carmel]

@@SockieTheSockPuppet My friend, that is not historically accurate. Yes I will agree that there were some priests who abused indulgences, but it all comes down to the fundamental teaching. As I mentioned, alms giving is one of the ways to receive an indulgence, like giving money to the poor or giving money to the Church. The Pope at that time conducted an indulgence, that whoever donated money for the repairing of St Peter's Basilica, will receive an indulgence. Now you can see how there can be much misunderstanding surrounding such a thing and how it can get twisted into something it's not. God bless

[@SockieTheSockPuppet]

@Our-Lady-of-Mount-Carmel Wrong. There's a reason why it was a widespread complaint from Luther and others. Conflating it to regular charity is actually pretty disgusting, especially when, for example, Peter Damian in the 11th century had to call out the Pope and other leaders for ignoring "certain things", of which a number of these acts were _repeatedly_ "absolved" after a hefty sum of gold.

[@Our-Lady-of-Mount-Carmel]

@@SockieTheSockPuppet Nobody is denying the corruption of corrupt men. But the Catholic Church never taught this, it was corrupt men falling captive to greed.

[@1988pugslee]

Obviously, this is an oversimplification by Trent. Most Protestants might cling to Eph 2:8-9 but we also do not deny works. We just argue along with the Bible's whole meta-narrative that works are not the grounding of our salvation but the evidence of it. We also do not discount that humans make choices either! Lots of poor representations Trent. There is nothing more powerful to the human Conscience than the true gospel(Rom 1:16-17) which does not heap man-made traditions upon the finished work of Jesus Christ.

[@DanXcel]

Extremely helpful video Trent! I’d love to watch/listen to more videos on salvation theology.

[@JaakkoPaakkanen]

Protestant theologian here. For me, this analysis does the opposite of what is supposedly was meant for: It leaves me more convinced than before that the Catholic view of salvation is very different from mine. Take e.g. 12:54 Imo, "Faith working though love" (Gal.5:6) does not mean that our works of love add something salvific to "faith alone". On the contrary, it means that faith is a product of God's unconditional saving work of love, not something we produce or choose in order to be saved. As Jesus says in John 6:29: "This is the work of God: that you believe in the One whom He has sent". So yes, "works" are needed, but faith is works; not our works though, but God's, like all works that matter.

[@mikeryan3701]

The priest who celebrated the Mass I attended last Sunday quoted this verse in his homily. He made it quite clear that Catholics reject Pelagianism. The point he wanted to make was that it is of no use saying that such and such a person is a "good person" if they do not have faith. Faith comes first; good works are our response to God's grace.

[@nibs1989]

Trent, you may not have time to read my whole dissertation here....I enjoyed your video. It is refreshing to see someone state their position clearly. I did agree with portions of your video, but...Syntactically, I have a couple bones to pick with the arguments in this video. The video is very solid, but as to the minute details, it is important to be clear. For Ephesians 2:8 the tense of "are saved" is very important. It is not in the aorist, which would mean that at some point in the past we were saved, but maybe we are not any longer. Also, it does not simply refer to an event that happened in the past where something happened, but the effects have dissipated. Rather, here the wording is σεσῳσμένοι - a perfect passive participle which is connected to the head verb "ἐστε" which means "you currently are." Sesosmenoi means "you are saved." It is perfective which indicates an existing state that is a result of something that happened in the past. The translation "you have been saved" is not as accurate as "you are saved" because the latter retains the Perfect tense's implication of an enduring state that is resultant of past action. Thus, "saved" but still saved. So, we are in a state of salvation. It is a secured state but has continuing results. The idea here is not, "I was saved but maybe I no longer am," but that everything relating to my current state is as a result of having been saved. Thus, salvation is not just a single event that happens, but a state of life into which one enters at the new birth. The results of salvation are enduring. There are three phases of salvation, each of which is an act of the Holy Spirit. The first is justification, wherein a sinner enters Christ and is baptized into Christ by the Spirit. The second state is "sanctification," it is the process by which my current life is saved and redeemed to God. I am positionally saved, but actively salvation must be effected in my life, thus, I am to "work out my salvation," (something I currently have), "with fear and trembling." The final state is the one Paul spoke of as future. It is the "blessed hope." It is the resurrection spoken of in Romans 8. This is the act of the Holy Spirit. This event, however, can only be secured in one way. One must enter salvation. How? Is it by being baptized? No. Ephesians 1:13-14 syntactically offer a clear presentation of how all of the spiritual blessings in heavenly places are bestowed on a person. One must enter Christ. All of the spiritual blessings are "in Christ." This is also the place of divine grace. If someone is not in Christ, they do not have the Spirit, and they do not have divine grace in them or securing them in any way. Paul made it clear how someone receives the Spiritual blessings and inheritance, it is by believing the Gospel of salvation. It itself is the power of God to salvation. The implications of this are very important. Paul says in Ephesians 1:12-14 "That we might be to the praise of his grace, we who first trusted in Christ. In whom you also believed after hearing the word of truth, the Gospel of your salvation, in whom also when you believed you were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise, Who is the earnest of your inheritance, until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the glory of His grace." The syntax of the verses in Greek is important. Paul says that a person is sealed with the Spirit when they believe the Gospel of salvation. He then says that this sealing is the guarantee of an inheritance. That inheritance is in heaven. Thus, the spiritual blessings predestined to us, and the sanctification predestined for us, are all by the Spirit of God who seals us. Being in Christ is a positional state that is bestowed by the Spirit. We enter Christ by the Spirit. When does that happen? When does 1 Corinthians 12:13 become a reality? At the moment we believe the Gospel. That is when we are baptized into Christ. It is by the Spirit, but the key is faith in the Christ of the Gospel. The Gospel is the message that points you to faith in Christ. Finally, to end my long thesis in this blessed KZbin comment section :) Sorry for the TLDR... One must consider the nature of faith. And, yes, to your point, to simply have a mental assent to a truth statement does not equate faith. It is one facet of faith, one must have mental assent to a truth, but we all agree that saving faith is much more than that. Paul taught what saving faith looked like in Romans 4:20-22. One must believe that God is able to keep his promise. The nature of the Abrahamic Covenant is also important. It is the foundation of the New Covenant. This type of covenant is unconditional. In other words, God will keep his end, but we do not pass with him through the sacrifice. We simply believe in His capacity to keep His Word. We accept it as such. It is His work. Romans 4:21 "And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness." - True righteousness is founded on this type of faith. God is true and he keeps his promises. And, because I believe he keeps his promises, I am going to live in accordance to his promise that He has made. This is why Abraham was able to go up Mount Moriah with Isaac. He fully believed that God would raise Isaac up from the dead. Hebrews said that he offered up Isaac by faith. Abraham went up Mount Moriah with the same type of faith he had back when God promised him a seed under the stars. Thus, his just faith became a reality in this life, and the fact that he was just was justified in this life. He passed the test because that's what he truly was. But, that righteousness was a result of his faith, and he had a positional righteousness with God also already. Without this type of faith, no one will be saved. Romans 5:1 continues the thought - Being justified therefore by faith "Δικαιωθέντες οὖν ἐκ πίστεως" - we have peace with God. This leads to the final issue at hand, the nature of Romans 1:17. The term "ek pisteos" is used in Romans 5:1 and relates directly back to the faith demonstrated by Abraham in Romans 4:20-22. This is what "ek pisteos" looks like. It is the way by which one becomes righteous. We are justified by faith, but faith in what? In a God who keeps his promises. That promise extends to whoever believes the Gospel. He has promised that whoever believes will be saved. Not just future, but now and forever. The only way to enter the place of Grace in which we stand is by that faith, as Paul said in Romans 5:1. If you made it this far, to any reading, I commend you for your patience. Would love to hear your thoughts.

[@justpodzol9681]

It's crazy how some Protestants use things that Catholics believe and teach to "refute" Catholicism. "Salvation is the work of God, we don't save ourselves!" Um... yes? That's correct, do you want a medal or something?

[@SockieTheSockPuppet]

You don't think Catholics do the same thing?

[@johannesdekoning9521]

As a Protestant I agree... The sermon on the Mount shows that faith and works (living faith) are inseparable.

[@macroglossumstellatarum3068]

You’re begging the question: what is living faith?? One that produces good works? Can living faith produce bad works? The Catholic view is more clear on this: Initial salvation is granted as a gift and there is nothing we can do to earn it. We must then use our free will to persist in his glorious gift of salvation. If we choose to reject it, thats on us

[@SteveKilgore27]

Martin Luther had scrupulosity, and so to combat it he decided to be his own spiritual leader and say sins and good works don’t affect our salvation? And people just went along with it? That’s like following the weight-loss plan of an obese person who didn’t want to diet or workout and claiming you’re doing it the right way. I have scrupulosity, so I understand the temptation of once saved always saved, but I don’t see what good following a lie does for the scrupulous person.

[@swbn6673]

The point is that no one can do the good work needed to pay off our own sins. We need salvation to get rid of our sins. But if we believe in God, we will be able to do good work.

[@lguevara586]

The mind-boggling thing about humanity is that if, tomorrow, you go out proclaiming that your pet fish is God, there'll be at least one other person on the planet who will follow you.😢

[@panes840]

I wouldn't trust Martin Luther on anything. According to Father Chad Ripperger who read a book by a German historian who studied Luther for 6 years, he murdered his friend....... I think that would explain a great deal. I cant verify it because I can't read German. I also heard he threw his pet dog out of a tower in a fit of rage!!!!! NICE CHAP. GREAT PRIEST..No wonder he wanted "faith alone" and nothing to do with works!!

[@Benlewis03]

Once saved always saved is biblical though.

[@panes840]

@Benlewis03 but context is everything though isn't it. Protestants don't seem to highlight that part.

[@john-paulgies4313]

In addition to seconding all the accolades and gratitude that other in the comments have given, I want to thank you for having the patience to make videos like this - repeating topics you already addressed years ago. Please continue to reiterate these perennial truths of the Faith for the sake of new hearers, in season and out of season.💪😎

[@dannycv82]

I think sometimes the arguments makes the same point, being that both side admits there is a need to follow Jesus teaching and commendments. The problem is that for some reason Protestant have this idea the the "work" that we Catholic do is to be safe. The problem is that in order to justify protestant Ideology it needs to put down catholic. That becomes a snowball problem because Protestant will "protest" themselves and starts a new"church" over and over again. The reason for hundreds and denomination. Ps "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone."

[@SockieTheSockPuppet]

That's not even remotely true. They're called Protestants because they were protesting explicit examples of bad practices that were in the Church at the time, and only split off because that criticism of non-Scriptural stuff was met with open hostility and even violence. That's not "justification" pointing that out, it's stating history. I find it really interesting that for all of the claims of Protestants needing to "put down" Catholics in order to justice their existence, it's all Catholic commentators (generally not the KZbinrs themselves) ever seem to do to Protestants. Because listening and trying to legitimately understand what the other person is saying is apparently so very hard. Also, to be blunt, don't kid yourself, the Catholic denomination has caused a ton of new denominations in their own right.

[@michaellawing9280]

Great explanation but I don’t think this is a Protestant thing you’re rebuking, it’s a Calvinist thing. I’m a non-Calvinist, SBC pastor and I’m comfortable with with most of what you said brother!

[@joshuakelly7070]

Let’s go!! Is it “For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.” Always the same prosperity nonsense from that gang.

[@hirakisk1973]

As a former Protestant, its only a small percentage who hold to the "prosperity gospel". But, I do agree that it is taken out of context by them.

[@NestortheArgonaught]

The second half of that same chapter is about how bad things will be for those who remain in Israel. Are we also supposed to believe that God has plans for some people to be condemned in this life and the next?

[@ithurtsbecauseitstrue]

if you want to judge Protestants by the few, can we do the same to catholics?

[@InspironGantry]

There's a jolly good reason we bring it up. It flatly contradicts that grace is merited, merit being defined (with a tiny hedge) in the RCC catechism as recompense for good works. The issues around Calvinism and predestination are a red herring.

[@bkranz-1283]

What I got from the video: Christ only died on the cross to replace circumcision. After that, you must become a judaizer but with gentile laws that must be followed. After you enter the covenant, your salvation rests on your works. Someone said something mean about Martin Luther Any time Jews and Gentiles are brought up in the New Testament, it means we have to do works to be saved When a verse clearly indicates we are saved by faith alone, it means initial salvation that does you no good after the age of reason. When a verse says something about how to live a good and moral life for each other and for God, it means those works are needed to go to heaven. Anytime Paul says “works” or “work”, he’s only referring to Jewish law, except when he uses them in the same sentence as “love” or “faith”.

[@DIOGENEShound]

You are a lethal speaker sir. I hope to be like you one day.

[@blboss1106]

It seems like most of these scriptural arguments have very plainly visible alternate interpretations that do not contest a protestant viewpoint. Once again I am left unconvinced by a Catholic's argument that their explanation is better than most protestants'. I certainly believe that Catholic's are close enough on the important things to be saved by the true God, but I worry that they are being convinced of a skewed Gospel that could lead them astray.

[@mariaapplegate1870]

THANK YOU!! God bless you Trent🙏📿❤️

[@glennlanham6309]

I keep asking them, NOW QUOTE VERSE 10!!

[@BensWorkshop]

Me too!

[@signposts6189]

Ephesians 2:10 NASB1995 _For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them._ Who knew that this would be the effect of the fact of faith that saves.😉

[@jeetpatel6087]

@@signposts6189 where in it does it say we are saved from doing the works, because we are saved we receive the conviction do the works

[@Philip__325]

“Oh that’s not talking about salvation. That’s just talking about our Christian walk” 😂 that’s usually what I hear. It’s like Christianity you can turn on and off depending on how you feel that day!

[@BensWorkshop]

@@signposts6189 It clearly is. We must do a Jesus commanded.

[@robertszontagh1297]

Trent can do all the clever , Catholic double-speak he wants. The bottom line is this: Man partners with God in the saving and keeping of his soul. Fruit of this position: Purgatory, sacraments as channels of grace, baptismal regeneration, praying to dead saints, and an "IF" salvation that is largely dependent on what man can DO, minimizing what Christ has DONE. This amounts to a works based salvation, which isn't salvation, rather a recipe for damnation. We are kept by the power of God. Don't try to redefine that also!

[@atgred]

On the contrary!!! The Sacraments, the state of purgation after death AND the intercession of the Saints EXALT Christ’s Mercy!! It is because of Him that everything else works TOGETHER with what He did!! If not, then why after His resurrection He gave His Apostles the authority to forgive sins? Why would St. Paul exhort us to intercede for others in 1 Tim. 2:1? Or St. John tell us in his revelation visions of the intercession of Saints in Heaven (Rev. 5:8)?

[@robertszontagh1297]

@@atgred Of course we are to pray for each other. Is that the same as praying to dead folk to shorten a loved ones stay in purgatory or talking to "dead" saints? Just another example of how Roman Catholics never completely rest in the finished work of Christ. Spoken by a former Roman Catholic who loves the people, but is heartbroken over their error regarding salvation.

[@justpodzol9681]

@@robertszontagh1297 Our God is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You are greatly misled!

[@robertszontagh1297]

@ So True. That's Bible. Now where exactly are we instructed to make statues, burn candles, have masses and pray to those who have died and perhaps are with Jesus in glory? Where exactly are we instructed to seek their help in shortening stays in purgatory or healing? This is pagan foolishness under the guise of Christianity.

[@SockieTheSockPuppet]

​@@atgredPurgatory originated from Dante, and not the Bible. Care to explain?

[@osar2870]

I genuinely don’t understand how Protestants are still a thing when the true history and teachings and traditions of the church can be so easily found and accessible to all. It honestly makes zero sense to me how anyone could seriously follow a new religion that was founded 1500+ years after Jesus founded the Catholic Church and have the nerve to criticize the church Jesus founded

[@JamesS805]

Massive assumptions being made in this comment…

[@Tomf-tz4pd]

Please prove using the Bible that Jesus established the Catholic Church. With all due respect, the evidence from the Bible points to the fact that the Catholic system is a creation of someone other than God. This is not to say that Catholics are not sincere, but none of the Catholic teachings are biblically based; they are all traditions of men.

[@massimilianoloi4642]

Amen

[@humbirdms2784]

​@JamesS805 it's historical facts little buddy. You're denying history? You're denying the churches tradition? You're denying Apostolic tradition? Protestants are so silly and childish 😂😂😂 go follow youre man Luther while the Holy Church follows the Man/God Christ Jesus

[@humbirdms2784]

Amen 🙏 One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church 🙏