Cringey Protestant Memes (REBUTTED)

[@fcatulo]

Seeing Trent mention the Council of Trent is like when people say the name of the movie in the movie

[@MeanBeanComedy]

"You wouldn't want to do that, buster. Because I'm Morbius, and it's starting to feel like Morbin Time. 😎" Cinematic history.

[@1901elina]

I struggle to not misspell "Council" when I'm talking about the actual Council of Trent b/c of this channel lol

[@PatrickHunter-hz2og]

You did it, you have finally become the counsel of Trent

[@Krshwunk]

That's the name of the movie!

[@spencerkenney1038]

Roll credits

[@quickbird5395]

I'm a pentacostal, but I started watching you because of the discussion you had with redeemed zoomer. I never thought I had strawmanned catholisism before I watched you. Thank you for your videoes, they make me less biased (I think, haha).

[@killianmiller6107]

Good to have you here. Do continue looking into what we believe, and perhaps the beauty will draw you in

[@paulmualdeave5063]

Thank you for recognizing the strawman arguments Catholics have to face. It's not easy to debunk something when they have a false idea of what we believe and then judge us based on their creation rather than reality.

[@MyMy-tv7fd]

I am an ex-Pentecostal (note spelling), and the number of thugs and tards I avoid by not going to yr churches is very large

[@SmilingCamperVan-fn4em]

Same here

[@Feronom]

what zoomer?

[@daltonburroughs3811]

As a Godzilla fan I must point out that the "fearsome dragons" are actually all part of the same dragon, which is actually a giant 3 headed monster known as King Gidorah.

[@kingofcelts]

The individual probably didn't know or care, they just wanted a borrowed image for their montage..

[@livingweaponnightmare]

Yes two of which are very vicious and the third "kevin" is a bit playful and cautious compared to the others

[@livingweaponnightmare]

Protestants don't even do their research to make memes

[@amelancholybear1534]

​@@livingweaponnightmare Kevin gave Goji the hands in GVK

[@commandermckoolkid818]

Yes. King Ghidorah rad

[@alexbowen7233]

That last meme about seafood penance is actually a perfectly valid criticism. I sometimes find myself looking forward to Fridays for the seafood.

[@jonahstephens2904]

As someone who is perfectly willing to order a Filet-O-Fish during a regular weekday, I feel this. I often just choose to go vegetarian on Lenten Fridays because I enjoy seafood so much.

[@traditionalgirl3943]

Vatican II allows Catholics to substitute other more penitential foods/items for meat. ✝️🙏❤️

[@TierTwoWorks]

@@jonahstephens2904 That's such a good idea! I LOVE fish/seafood, so that meme about eating it not being a real sacrifice hits home for me. I think I will follow your example with a vegetarian Friday for Lent from now on. Thank you!

[@jrozi3872]

Correct

[@canibezeroun1988]

I fast and abstain on Fridays during Lent so bring me the fried fish at the Parish. I do need to begin regularly doing that penance outside of Lent

[@RangerGrant]

Some Calvinists don't recognize Catholics as Christians. Protestants and Catholics don't recognize Mormons as Christians. And Baptists don't recognize one another... in the liquor store. 😎

[@franj1142]

I may have to go to confession for it, but I’m stealing this joke. It’s too good.😂

[@johndorilag4129]

Many Catholics don't consider Protestants as Christians

[@emz6133]

Well, most Catholics don't recognize drunkenness as a sin

[@smartismarti4049]

​@@emz6133 Sure, but in Catholicism it doesn't matter what the individual Catholic recognizes so much as what the Church recognizes. The Catholic church recognizes drunkenness as a sin, therefore an individual who doesn't is out of line.

[@coolmaps9157]

@@emz6133 ''Catechism of the Catholic Church - Paragraph # 2290. 2290 The virtue of temperance disposes us to *avoid* every kind of excess: the abuse of food, alcohol, tobacco, or medicine. '' but it was a funny comment and it made me smile 😊😊

[@chainepolitique5625]

I have no cringe catholic meme but I have an Italian Catholic joke: "Jesus saw an adulterous woman who was to be stoned and said: 'whoever has no sin, get him to throw the first stone' And a stone was thrown on the adulterous woman from behind Jesus. After he saw who had thrown it, he said: 'Mum, please ..."

[@billcynic1815]

Similar joke: When the Pharisees saw who Jesus ate with, they asked his disciples, "Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?" On hearing this, Jesus said, "Truly, I say to you, if I only went among people who were not sinners, I would still be living with my mom."

[@rezarinsistireconfiaremdeu2084]

Now thats a good and saint joke

[@timopper5488]

@@billcynic1815 Both hilarious and true! I like this one much more than the stoning one. 🤣🤣🤣

[@rahawa774]

😂

[@CatholicElectrician]

I love this joke but I think it’s funnier when it’s less wordy. The way I heard it, it’s just a pebble that flies by and hits the woman and Jesus turns to the crowd and says “Mother!”

[@stcolreplover]

Trents newest book “When Protestants Meme like Atheists”

[@mellieg.7543]

Not going to lie, I would read that 😂

[@blindknitter]

Me too!

[@michaelogrady232]

"But we preach Christ crucified." Hence, the Corpus.

[@DMServant]

Protestants to that verse: “LALALALALALALALA”

[@Sergio-xs7zq]

Yes , now we want a giant mary carrying a baby jesus statue

[@michaelogrady232]

@Sergio-xs7zq We have many depictions of Christ, not just on the Cross. Rather than depict the Resurrection with an empty cross, we have many artistic depictions of Christ actually coming forth from the tomb.

[@saintejeannedarc9460]

@@michaelogrady232 Does it really matter though? I think it's only because the cross is the ultimate symbol of Christianity. Every non Christian knows, when they see a cross, it's a Christian symbol. So I hope this isn't another protestant/Catholic argument, whether it should be an empty tomb or an empty cross to represent. The handy thing about the cross as a symbol of the resurrection, is that even I can draw a cross. I couldn't depict the empty tomb though.

[@newglof9558]

A Baptist won't say hi to you when you go to the liquor store. A Lutheran will. A Catholic owns the liquor store. A Muslim owns the tobacco store right next to it. A Jew owns the lease on both stores. A Mormon waves to you all as he drives by. And an Orthodox... well, it's a mystery.

[@Catholic_convert81]

I had a fantastic phone conversation with the local priest yesterday and i am attending my first mass on Saturday (the priest suggested i come to a mass with less people first as i told him i get very nervous meeting new people) I was raised Anglican but fell away in my teenage years and 20 years of atheism followed then one day i watched a debate with a man called john Lennox who is a mathematician professor at oxford and also a Christian and what he said made me realize i had to investigate Christianity's claims with an unbiased mind , a few months later after reading a ton of books and research i fully believed in the death and resurrection of Christ (which was very shocking to me as i didnt expect the outcome). Then i started to think about the various denominational claims (James letter made me really question sola fide) and through my reading the writings of the saints and church fathers i saw that the fullness of the faith lie in Catholicism , Catholic church was THE church established by Jesus through the apostle Peter the first Pope. Then i had to tell my completely protestant family lol that was fun XD and after the initial shock due to the built in anti Catholicism that is found in Protestantism we started to talk and i explained and showed them that what they thought was the catholic church was not the catholic church at all , Catholics dont worship Mary ect and they came around to accepting my choice and i now have their full blessing in becoming Catholic , my mother told me the other day that she could not deny (what we call) the miracle of my conversion (which she had been praying to happen for 20 years) and that the Holy spirit is clearly drawing me in this direction :)

[@PattiS3]

Awesome! If you have the opportunity in your area, also try to attend a Traditional Latin Mass, or a Byzantine Divine Liturgy. You've done so much research. Keep it going! God bless you!

[@Catholic_convert81]

Thanks Patti , i just looked and the nearest Traditional Latin Mass to me is in the city of York where i am planning to move in the next few years due to having family there and just a love of the ancient historial city (its beautiful) i will have to check that out when i move (or maybe when i visit family first) , maybe even attend regularly. I am often told to seek out a traditional Latin Mass by Catholics online , what is so preferable if i may ask? is it because it is much more traditional?@@PattiS3

[@Catholic_convert81]

@@PattiS3hanks Patti , i just looked and the nearest Traditional Latin Mass to me is in the city of York where i am planning to move in the next few years due to having family there and just a love of the ancient historial city (its beautiful) i will have to check that out when i move (or maybe when i visit family first) , maybe even attend regularly. I am often told to seek out a traditional Latin Mass by Catholics online , what is so preferable if i may ask? is it because it is much more traditional?

[@Catholic_convert81]

@El-HartoAh ok i see thanks for your explanation of this. Eucharistic miracles where one of many things that brought me to the Catholic church (as an Anglican when i looked i saw we had not had a single one which made me question its validity) The sacraments really spoke to my heart and i longed to partake (especially the Eucharist and also confession which my heart really longs for which some people might find odd lol)

[@PattiS3]

If you can carve out some time, there is a video trilogy on KZbin called "Mass of the Ages". It would be well worth your time and explains the differences between the TLM and the Novus Ordo Missae. The differences are striking and often a bit sad. Even if you attend the Novus Ordo, it's always good to be aware of its origins and history. I attend either rite depending on the condition of my car 🤪.

[@Contra.Mundum.]

If Catholicism true, then why John the Baptist and not John the Catholic 🙄.

[@tylere.8436]

Is this question for real?

[@katydidd6321]

@@tylere.8436 Off the top of my head, I want to say no, but there is a metric ton of derp out there, so... maybe?

[@Arpitan_Carpenter]

@@tylere.8436 No, it's a common meme lol

[@sivad1025]

Checkmate

[@Contra.Mundum.]

@@tylere.8436 Haha, no, it's a joke.

[@in_defense_of_the_church]

I had a Pentecostal ask me why we have images and worship Mary. Well after first defining our terms and explaining images vs idols that person still did not “get it,” per their own words. I followed up with my own question. “Where in the Bible do we see a woman being called a pastor or that they can be when St. Paul is more explicit that they shouldn’t.” Needless to say their answer was, “IDK, I have never looked into it.” We are always asked to show in Scripture proof of what we believe and why we do and many times Protestants seem to not be able to meet their own expectations.

[@canibezeroun1988]

Exactly. The Bible doesn't tell us to meet weekly on Sunday. Women pastors. Dress codes. Prohibiting alcohol. Frequency of Eucharist. How to baptize. Who can be baptized. "Jesus come into my heart." None of this is biblical, but they love to excuse it by saying it isn't forbidden.

[@Chris-no8yb]

@@canibezeroun1988wait i’m confused. everything you mentioned is in the Bible

[@DanteColburn]

@@Chris-no8ybOf the things canivezeroun mentions, only the "How to baptize" is actually in the Bible in a partially explicit way. Everything else has to be interpreted out of Scripture, some of the incorrectly, like female pastors and prohibiting alcohol. Ok, and maybe the meeting on Sunday, but still just partially.

[@katydidd6321]

Can confirm. I'm Catholic but my mom's a Lutheran and she straight up told me to my face that Catholics don't read the Bible. I told her that's a little rich coming from the follower of a crazy man who removed 6 (or 7?) books from the Bible. She agreed.

[@roseg1333]

Yes 💯

[@Triniforchrist]

The empty tomb prove the resurrection, not the empty cross, that was gold Trent ❤

[@husq48]

There's even a Christian rock band called "Barren Cross!" 😃

[@augustsmith9553]

that's pretty basic argumentation

[@Ruudes1483]

@@husq48Great band. Love their anti-abortion song “Killers of the Unborn”.

[@7lillie]

I dont think anyone is trying to 'prove' the resurrection with the empty cross or 'prove' the crucifixion with crucifix- not great argumentation.

[@lilchristuten7568]

‭Psalm 22:1 KJV‬ [1] My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring? ‭Psalm 22:8 KJV‬ [8] He trusted on the LORD that he would deliver him: Let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him. Psalm 22 is specifically a prophetic psalm about Jesus on the cross.

[@CatholicElectrician]

Fasting also doesn’t mean “eat as much fish as you want.” You get 1 full meal, and 2 snacks or very small meals for the day

[@scottgun]

Correct, on Good Friday. The other Fridays of the year (excluding solemnities), however, are days of abstinence, not fasting.

[@CatholicElectrician]

@@scottgun Right. It’s easy to confuse ‘fasting from meat’ with fasting in general, so I just call it abstaining

[@EpoRose1]

Our fasting game is weak. And by “our,” I mean the Latin rite, myself included.

[@coolmaps9157]

@@EpoRose1 stronger thant the prots

[@A-ARonYeager]

I did a fast from sun up to sun down during lent. I tried to use the hunger during the day as a reminder to pray and honestly during that fast I've never felt as connected to God as I had during that fast. It's a good practice imo a lot of benefits including some unintentional weight loss haha

[@deckardcanine]

Fun fact: "Pretty please" comes from "Prithee please," which comes from the somewhat redundant "I pray thee please."

[@michaelmicek]

I wouldn't say it's redundant. "Please" is short for "if you please", i.e., "if it pleases you".

[@Aidan_Spalding]

Ahhh, the Counsel of Trent comment section, aka: Nerd Central. 🤓

[@HunterXWorld95]

A fellow word nerd, I see… Excellent!

[@sosika2316]

I'm Protestant and I'm cringe so this is my kinda video. *grabs popcorn*

[@coolmaps9157]

😊😊❤❤✝✝

[@shlamallama6433]

I'm Catholic but I am also cringe so I can relate.

[@JP2GiannaT]

​@@paulmualdeave5063...what?

[@simonslater9024]

Please read my comment.

[@definitelynotsarcasm]

I think it is worth pointing out that two small meals, one large meal and no meat is the bare minimum for fasting and abstinence on Fridays in Lent. We can take it further as we are able

[@Sermonator9000]

As a protestant i must ask you Trent, please do more of these cringey protestant memes!

[@dvdortiz9031]

Hahahaha, you poor thing!

[@Sermonator9000]

@@dvdortiz9031 Dude, what is your problem?

[@jeremysmith7176]

Trent is it time for bad Catholic memes? We are not immune from cringe.

[@Jonathan-xc6su]

Trent, that isn't three separate dragons. That is King Ghidorah, who is one kaiju with three heads. The more you know!

[@nicholasjagneaux]

--> Being from Acadiana, that last meme does resonate. --> But, instead of some fast food trash, it missed out on an opportunity to show a seafood platter (or 5 lbs of boiled crawfish) from South Louisiana. I don't like seafood at all, but, man, people are really excited to spend $35 (or more) on their Lenten seafood platters in Cajun Country. --> In fact, our priests routinely have to remind people that Friday night's meal should be penitential, not something we salivating for.

[@jacobdalland1390]

As a seafood lover, I agree that abstinence from non-aquatic meat on Friday is often too easy; so on Fridays outside of Lent, where American Catholics can choose what they would like to abstain from, I sometimes choose to abstain from sweet foods instead.

[@katydidd6321]

Man, I love crawfish. 5 pounds of those with a little bit of Stalekracker or Old Bay (I'm not terribly picky) on 'em sound real good right about now.

[@JP2GiannaT]

#LousianaProblems

[@youtubecommenter2]

The last meme is actually funny though. I think it can make a lot of catholics, myself included, realize the irony of compensating for the lack of meat by eating really good vegetarian options or fish options. The very point of fasting is thrown out the window the second we start compensating for it.

[@tylere.8436]

I practically fast everyday anyway because I barely have time to prepare meals, plus the economy sucks rn. Most Fridays during lent this year, I only had one Panko fish combo from Wendy's for lunch; nothing for breakfast and like a snack for dinner for my 8 hr evening shift.

[@deutschesvaterlandfankanal]

If they hate the """extra books""",they should stop naming their kids tobias for example.

[@BK-rl5lw]

What…?

[@paulmualdeave5063]

@@BK-rl5lw Tobias is in the book of Tobit, which Protestants removed from their Bibles.

[@deutschesvaterlandfankanal]

​@@BK-rl5lwtobit.

[@michaels7325]

Ive met some Toby's but never any Tobias. Maybe Toby is the English equivalent.

[@replayzz9493]

@@michaels7325 the only Tobias I have heard of is the NBA player Tobias Harris

[@CatholicSamurai]

“Wait, it’s all cringey?” “Always has been.”

[@jonahstephens2904]

I love how some of these memes are watermarked with the 5Solas Twitter handle. I'm convinced that guy is just an anti-Catholic troll. If he's serious, then he genuinely thinks that the devil loves the crucifix, because it "shows a weak Jesus." For someone who may be posting very ironic memes, he sure doesn't seem to get the delicious irony of the image of the Crucified Lord.

[@amandadolekary]

Thou shalt not make no image or idol of the Lord thy God

[@DanteColburn]

Don't engage with him. His only purpose is to monetize interactions with ragebait.

[@siruristtheturtle1289]

@@amandadolekary How is a crucifix an idol? How is representing Christ on the cross an idol?

[@EpoRose1]

@@siruristtheturtle1289I thought she was making fun of the awful grammar. “Not make no”

[@siruristtheturtle1289]

@@EpoRose1Sorry, I had a typical ESL moment

[@philippedersen2411]

Although I am catholic I actually found half of them funny and not cringy. Please make more content like this. Peace be with you.

[@God-Will-ing]

1:36 In all fairness this one isn’t as foolish as claimed, at least in respect to the reference a strong man pulling it on their own. The method given is a standard bike, I’d be willing to bet even if you were strong enough pull the plane, the bike would like break before or during you getting the plane to move. In which case yes, if you try to atone for your sin by any method other than through God, you will fail. Not sure where this was sourced, but from the meme itself it doesn’t appear as a jab at Catholics. More likely a jab at a Prideful group thinking they are good enough on their own without God.

[@billcynic1815]

Verses that support praying to Mary: 2 Maccabees 15:12-16 _Sits back, gets popcorn_

[@Goovdluck687]

But Protestants dont read books from the Catholic bible. I doubt some know what Maccabees is.

[@deutschesvaterlandfankanal]

You know that you're being mean to jesus's mom,please stop,or you'll become a bolshevik

[@deutschesvaterlandfankanal]

​@@Goovdluck687even a third positionist like me knew more about the jewish books than the supposedly """nazi""" prots(a fucking lowball i might add

[@Triniforchrist]

​@El-HartoProtestants have no say in the matter, it was the Catholic church that comply the Bible, y'all just a Johnny come lately with no historical roots, 👋

[@Triniforchrist]

@El-Harto my bag lol 😂

[@CMVBrielman]

7:39 Those are not dragons! They’re the three heads of King Ghidorah, from the newer Godzilla movie, King of the Monster. In the movie, the third head is almost always acting just a little… off.

[@yannascotto8597]

I heard this joke long ago told by a Protestant: “There was this little boy who really wanted a certain bicycle so he prayed to Jesus. He said, ‘Dear Jesus, I really wanted this bike, please have it at my house by tomorrow morning, world without end! Amen!” “Next morning, no bike. He prayed to Jesus again. And the next morning, still nothing.” “Later, he came back inside the house, went into his mother’s room and took something and hid it in his shirt. His mom was wondering what was going on and she followed her son to his room. The little boy shut the door and standing by the door, his mom heard him say, ‘Dear Jesus, if you don’t give me my bike, you will never see Your Mother again!”

[@JJ-zr6fu]

The last meme would’ve worked if it was a high end seafood feast with lobster and crab cakes.

[@EpoRose1]

Or crazy sushi rolls.

[@stellar6072]

trent....you're an apostate. you've departed from the faith yet still proclaim to live by it. You do not enter the Kingdom, and you prevent others from entering.

[@DPK5201]

Hmmm. I thought it was Protestants who were schismatics!

[@BobFrankston-i1c]

Can you please make a video debunking Jehovah's witnesses, they keep on knocking on my door and I don't know what to say. Christ is risen ☦.

[@Gilbert.Suhendra]

Jehovah book is on 16th Century, Not 1st Century

[@thejerichoconnection3473]

Simple. Ask them to pick up their own Bible (NWT), read Rev 1:8, and tell you who is speaking there. They will say, “Jehovah!” Then ask them to read you Rev 1:17 and tell you who is speaking there. They will say, “Jehovah!” Then ask them to read you the next verse (Rev 1:18) and ask them to explain you how in the world Jehovah says that he was dead and now he is alive. They will pick up their Bible and leave immediately.

[@DoctorDanielle]

I appreciate your willingness to enter into conversation. The other comments here essentially tell you to just shut the door in their face. One of our responsibilities as Catholic Christians is to evangelize. If you don't have good arguments for what you believe, and you choose to just close the door to them, how Christian are you?

[@jendoe9436]

I feel like Trent has made videos about talking with groups like JW and Mormons, but maybe it was only the latter. Either way, I know Joe Heschmeyer on “Shameless Popery” had done some video series on talking with JW and Mormons. He goes over the basic arguments and has suggestions on how to converse. I believe he and his wife actually had JWs come by a lot when they were living somewhere, so he has experience in that area. There’s also articles on Catholic Answers about how to talk through those discussions, and other resources as well.

[@coolmaps9157]

Sam Shamoun's the guy for that

[@supernerd8067]

As a resident of Louisiana, I think the meme of the "commercial fish dishes" actually works here.😅 The Filet-o fish from McDonald's sucks; but real fried shrimp, boiled crawfish, and red snapper are delicious when you get them from a real restaurant or make them yourself. The main thing you sacrifice is your wallet because it is expensive, so true sacrifice would be better eating vegetarian on Lenten Fridays 😅.

[@michaelmicek]

Gator you catch yourself?

[@supernerd8067]

@@michaelmicek I have never been on a gator hunt, but I would be happy to go on one. They taste delicious fried.

[@michaelshelbyedwards]

Eggs

[@puritanbob]

Good stuff, you’re a part of my journey to Catholicism, it largely has been your clear arguments but also your patience and kindness towards those outside the faith, thank you brother

[@TheMOV13]

Here's something that could be turned into a evangelical meme: "Jesus turned water into wine and evangelicals have been trying to change it back ever since"

[@alistairkentucky-david9344]

The thumbnail meme should have the Book of Mormon instead of the "apocrypha"

[@paulmualdeave5063]

I had to look up the definition to make sure, but the Book of Mormon would be apocrypha, just not upper case Apocrypha. It's of doubtful authority and is rejected.

[@alistairkentucky-david9344]

@@paulmualdeave5063 In these contexts, the word “apocrypha” isn’t used as an adjective, but as a proper name picking out the 7 books and parts of Daniel and Esther that Protestants removed from the Bible. So I wouldn’t call the BOM apocrypha. Though of course it is not of God and to be avoided.

[@paulmualdeave5063]

@@alistairkentucky-david9344 Yes

[@michaelmicek]

As Trent said, the correct name (from a Catholic perspective) is the Deuterocanonicals. (I think the Greeks just call them the Bible, since they're part of the Septuagint.) And note that "apocryphal" doesn't necessarily mean to be avoided. The authors of the New Testament occasionally refer to apocryphal works and a couple are included in the Vulgate. (The Book of Mormon probably should be referred to as a KJV fanfic.)

[@paulmualdeave5063]

@@michaelmicek correct and fanfic is pretty funny lol

[@Kostas_Dikefalaios]

I have seen the King Ghidorah meme from the thumbnail in a much better form. "Left head: Catholic Church - Middle Head: Orthodox Church - Right Head: Protestant Churches" Much more fitting.

[@Adrian-10]

The Rebuttibg Memes series is my favorite

[@ogloc6308]

That verse from wisdom in response to meme 7 was actually a really good point.

[@coolmaps9157]

🔥🔥

[@ZachGonringFLM]

Trent the type of guy to have a deep theological discussion about memes. Love him for it.

[@mellieg.7543]

This is the perfect sequel to the Cringe Atheist meme series! Next meme video should be a reaction to Cringe Catholic memes where it's just Trent explaining the poor theology of the meme.

[@Slayerformayor1983]

The one in the thumbnail about the Apocrypha is hilarious.

[@hwamilka]

As someone who doesn’t enjoy meat of any kind (except sushi)… I do no-dessert-Friday during lent.

[@davem7359]

Trent, please, it’s not just a scary dragon… it’s KING GHIDORAH

[@tylere.8436]

I mean, every Friday during Lent this year, I was getting the appetite for Wendy's panko fish sandwich. 😂😅

[@coltsavage4490]

I'm a protestant, and I love the apocrypha/deuterocannon. I try to recommend those books to my friends. As well always trying to find a copy of them with each translation that I get.

[@MarvelGamer2023]

They're not Apocrypha. They're Scripture

[@fddooley1]

Get yourself a Catholic Bible

[@coltsavage4490]

​@MarvelGamer2023 I use that term because those Bible's have 3rd and 4th maccabees as well as 1st and 2nd Esdras.

[@coltsavage4490]

​@@fddooley1 I have a couple, NABRE and New Jerusalem.

[@47StormShadow]

I've been thinking about giving up sugar on Fridays as opposed to meat (except on days when the church requires me to do that as well) Thoughts?

[@mellieg.7543]

Don't think that's a bad idea at all, especially if you don't eat meat often anyway and it would be more of a sacrifice for you as an individual to not have sugar.

[@jrozi3872]

That's legitimate as long as you still abstain from meat on Fridays in lent when it is still required.

[@47StormShadow]

@@mellieg.7543 i do love meat, although I think sugar would be more difficult. I've just been thinking lately that there is some validity to the complaint that what we replace meat with is just as good, if not better and more luxurious in some cases.

[@jendoe9436]

I normally give up sweets for Lent, and it sometimes is more of a struggle than being a weekly vegetarian. But I will say it definitely makes me more focused on what I consume, and by the end of Lent I feel both spiritually nourished and a bit healthier. The Church does say Fridays outside Lent can be penitential, so if giving up sugar instead of meat is more difficult, I say go for it.

[@petertherock7340]

I noticed a video on FB where John MacArthur alleges that all Catholics, Buddhists, Hindus, and non-Christian people will go to Hell. I am curious about why he thinks he is destined for Heaven when he so frequently misrepresents the teaching of Scripture? 😊😊😊

[@jakethebased7195]

7:39 It’s not a fearsome dragon, it’s king geedorah!!

[@husq48]

C'mom Trent, the modest dress is a weak argument, this is just common sense from the whole counsel of God.

[@TheThreatenedSwan]

His point is right. It's kind of like prohibitions on polygamy or other Church doctrine (or meta things like how we know which books are in the Bible in the first place) where protestants can't draw these conclusions from their supposed view of sola scriptura. The point would be to illustrate the dissonance between what they say, this increasingly barebones conception of sola scriptura, vs how they actually act with traditions and authorities

[@graysonguinn1943]

Noooo you can’t have a nuanced view of sola scriptura 😭

[@SevereFamine]

Does your church condemn wearing gold or Pearl jewelry? It seems pretty explicit from the text that that is to be avoided as sin. That would be far more explicit than the implicit command to dress modestly in a modern sense.

[@husq48]

@@SevereFamine 🤣

[@Xymage]

I thought it was Sola scriptura? So now it's Bible alone and common sense from the whole counsel of God alone?

[@Nightman221k]

I will say about that last one, it is a sacrifice cause sometimes you don't want to eat specifically non-meat meals BUT I kind of love eating fish during Lent cause I think about the loaves and the fish and the fact that some of the apostles were fishermen and they'd have eaten fish a lot.

[@KyleKringle]

Since you've elected (from the foundation of the video) to academically critique these memes with no sense of humor, I'm going to pretend that my review of your "(REBUTTAL)" is not going to compel anyone to accuse me of "taking it too seriously." Meme #1: You missed the point. That, or you're avoiding it. For one, the meme isn't criticizing the *way* Catholics pray, but *who* they're praying to. And there are no verses that support sending specific spiritual requests to Mary, or any other (dead) person that isn't God. The reason that it's no issue to pray to the Holy Spirit is because he's God. Mary is not. If Jesus is the one who tells us how to pray, then maybe we should follow that; Our *Father* in Heaven. Not Mary in Heaven, not Francis in Heaven. Just God. (And don't bother saying "well then you can only pray to the Father and not Jesus by that logic." Jesus is God. Mary is not. Jesus receives worship in his lifetime. Mary does not.) And to argue that "pray" just means "request" is an etymological fallacy. It reminds me of when apologists of Islam say that "Muslim" just means "one who submits to God." Meme #2: There's nothing inherently anti-Catholic about this meme. You didn't even go down the perfectly valid route of "well we're *not* alone, God is with us in our works." But hey, if the shoe fits... Also, your real world example of the guy pulling the plane doesn't rebut the template because that man is pulling a rope, not pushing pedals on a bike--which you admitted but chose to ignore anyway. I may as well excuse away any analogy you might return to sender because "well there's some exceptional example in the real world that gives me permission to ignore your argument." Lastly, atoning for the visible and immediate consequences of our sins is not the same as atoning for the sin itself. I am sincerely unsure why you'd disagree with this meme. Meme #3: "I'm going to let it slide that this is comparing us to Patrick Bateman in American Psycho..." ... *It's meme, Batman.* You may as well have said "just to clear, that terrible, ugly insult in no way offends me." Sure. I believe you. Besides, hardly anyone sharing or liking Bateman memes is actually identifying with the full character of Patrick Bateman. It's a meme. I don't wish to erase half of Earth's population just because I relate with a Thanos meme about something being "perfectly balanced." However, it appears you did get the point: too much emphasis on Mary, especially after what Jesus accomplished, but your response is effectively "I've heard a different complaint from the same people, therefore bad meme." That's called "avoiding the issue." "But I've heard other Catholics say *this* about X" wouldn't work for me, so it doesn't for you either. Meme #4: A dumb meme, to be sure, but you literally pulled "minor spelling mistake" as an excuse to avoid any of those points. You sound like James White. Meme #5: Again, nothing anti-Catholic or exclusively Protestant about this meme, although yes, 2 Timothy 2:22 doesn't address men's lust --even though it says "flee youthful passions," but indeed, it's not specifically about men lusting after women. But that's why you included this one, to argue that Protestants extract from the Bible greater meanings from the text that aren't precisely being mentioned, and therefore "Sola Scriptura undermined." I'm not a theologian, but I'm pretty sure Sola Scriptura does not mean "inferences are banned, only perform and believe what's literally written." There's nothing un-Protestant with interpreting scripture for yourself and, say, going to your Pastor to ask about your findings, arguing one way or another. In fact, that's the most Protestant thing I could ever conceive of. So saying, "...maybe God never intended for the only infallible rule of faith in life in the Church to be Scripture," misses the point of Protestantism. Interpreters of Scripture cannot be on the same "infallible" level of Scripture itself. Otherwise, Tradition can trump the Bible, and if it can, it always will. Meme #6: No notes. I completely agree. Meme #7: I thought the main argument for rejecting the Apocrypha was because the Jews did not accept those texts as canon. Plus, finding good bits within them is not sufficient to claim that the whole of them are equal in authority and value as the Hebrew canon and the New Testament. Using your same argument, the Book of Enoch is cited in Jude's Epistle, and only the Ethiopian Orthodox Church includes that book as part of the Christian Canon. So why don't you affirm the Book of Enoch as canon? I genuinely would like to know, and saying that I don't affirm it either isn't a real argument. Meme #8: First, liking red meat more than fish is like your opinion man. It doesn't negate the likely possibility that many Lent observers often over do it on the fried food in a time of fasting. It's not inherently anti-Catholic to criticize how you go about the fasting; at best, it's a playful correction that you could find funny if you allowed it. Protestants makes memes about the Lord blessing the deep fried chicken at Baptist potlucks. We laugh at ourselves for the same thing. And as I predicted in the moment, you turned it back the original poster, "when the last's time you fasted?" That's the "You, Too" Fallacy, avoiding the main point, yet again. Now again, maybe this was long-winded of me. Perhaps I took too seriously something that was supposed to be fun. But I believe that taking seriously the things that don't matter proves one's ability to properly assess and discern the things that do matter. If you wouldn't argue well against dumb memes, I'm not sure if I can trust your ability to discuss and debate deep theology. If I was wrong for taking you seriously on this video, then I may as well forever avoid your channel altogether.

[@concernedcitizen2350]

Channel One news. Trent, I’m glad to see we are in the same generation lol

[@titusbaum9690]

5:40 (or so) then how the hell do you define "modestly"? Because I sure know how to define immodest. Crazy.

[@BrewMeister27]

"Modest" can just mean "moderate." Someone with a modest income would be neither rich nor poor. Having modest dress can mean having "moderate" clothes, which are not extravagant.

[@VanchaMarch2]

Whoa, I haven’t thought about Channel One in almost two decades. That Verb commercial is still in my head. “We could step into the suuuuuuuun” 🎶

[@EpoRose1]

I’m so old, I remember when ANDERSON COOPER was on Channel 1.

[@joelpettit25]

Trent the fried fish one was actually on point. Hahaha. They got us.

[@joeterp5615]

The fried fish one is actually funny as there is a grain of truth there… but it also misses much of the point. With Lenten abstinence from meat we have built-in moments of reflection throughout the day to reorientate ourselves to Christ and our need for him. We change our routine out of obedience and love. These actions are a form of prayer. And this is unifying as we do this as one with the Church as we go through this season together. But yeah, I have laughed at myself for looking forward so much to delicious meals (like Chinese shrimp dishes, as salmon, etc.), that break me out of my usual routine. There is indeed some irony and humor to be found there. And of course the Church understands that abstinence from meat is not going to be the same level of “sacrifice” for everyone - and it never claims that it is. But in prayerfully abstaining in unity with the Church, we are all moving in the same direction. And if we feel inspired and called to sacrifice more, we can certainly do that too.

[@EpoRose1]

We have crucifixes to reminded us of Jesus’s love for us, the same reason I have pics of my kids as babies even though they are no longer babies. If you don’t have crucifixes because “Jesus is Risen,” then don’t have pictures of your kids as babies.

[@scottgun]

Clarification on the last meme about fish because some Catholics are claiming the meme is valid: it is a Friday _abstinence_ NOT a fast (except on Good Friday).

[@fallenkingdom-zd8xh]

There’s a subreddit called r/CatholicMemes and I have found some memes making fun of Protestants such as memes saying your church is in between Best Buy and Buffalo Wild Wings. See if you can find it for your cringe Catholic memes. Although, I do enjoy the rest of the memes there. It’s a great subreddit.

[@NathanSkifton]

Oh man, I recognize that Culver’s fish sandwich any day of the liturgical calendar. That picture is a a solid representation of Catholic Wisconsin culture.

[@notrick3995]

Fearsome dragon? Show some respect to King Gidorah!

[@njtom105]

As a Catholic a lot of these weren't all that good when it comes to Trents usual standards. But maybe these memes are so cringy, this is what they get?

[@whitesoxMLB]

So what I'm gathering is that I should be promulgating a bunch of bad protestant memes if I want to get featured on the Counsel.

[@jacobzanardi1930]

Okay, but that last one is actually a good criticism. When we fast, we should be doing the bare minimum. We should strive to enter in to the penitential mindset and let our fasting reflect that.

[@theweekday6086]

I like how 90% of these memes are from 5solas HAHA

[@pulsar403]

Future protestants are going to upgrade that image to be a Mecha-King Ghidorah meme, which they will then send back in time to re-fight Trent.

[@patrickrusso9919]

It would be helpful to explain what the proto-canonical books/writings are

[@t0p_phoneix939]

The books of the old testament agreed upon by both Catholics and Protestants

[@tylere.8436]

​@@t0p_phoneix939And Jews for that matter

[@soldatkatholisch967]

Every time I saw an prot or a post sayng "The Apocrypha Gospels", I tought they were talking about the Gnostic (fake) Ghospels, I really belived they also called them Deuterocanon as us

[@jaredfrye5371]

I am a protestant, and I have a TON of respect for Trent Horn as a defender of the Faith. That said, while all of these memes were cringy, some of his rebuttals were pretty badly done: #1 asserted there is no Biblical grounds for praying to Mary, which he "rebuts" by saying, A) the Bible doesn't tell us WHAT to pray (non sequitur), B) it doesn't tell us to pray to the Holy Spirit (but the H.S. is God, unlike Mary) and C) maybe "pray" means something else (would he say the same if a Catholic "prayed" to Ba'al?) For #3, he uses a straw man argument, turning the critique of "praying to Mary" into a critique against the Jesus-on-a-cross crucifix and then attacking THAT argument instead. #4 he just laughs at the form of the argument without engaging the content (not a "rebuttal," though I am confident he could have rebutted some of it). #5 is an attack of a straw man version of Sola Scriptura that orthodox protestants do not hold to. His argument for #7 undermines his own position, though this comment is already too long so I will leave you to figure it out... And his challenge to the protestant in #8 is A) an ad hominem attack designed to force the opponent into retracting their (possibly) valid argument and 2) also undermines his point, as he claims to "fast" by only eating less satisfying McDonalds food on certain days. #6 and #2 are fine, though a majority of protestants would agree with him on those, so he is just alienating his support there. I have seen him do MUCH better with his rebuttals. Maybe the Force is not strong in these because we should be working together?

[@RealityConcurrence]

Meme three especially. I’ll take non sequitur on the topic of empty crosses for 400 Alex.

[@RealityConcurrence]

Also, saint Ambrose prescribed that fasting merely be the Christian eating but not over indulging and stopping before he is full. I’ve never understood why the USCCB and Catholicism effectively mandate that fasting should take the form of no meat on Fridays rather than just go with the Ambrosian definition that solved the controversy in his time.

[@ioan9937]

I'm Catholic and I pretty much agree with you. This rebuttable video wasn't really on par with others that Trent has done in my opinion. A couple of the memes even have some grain of truth to their criticism and it should be fine to find the humor in it and point it out.

[@John_McCarthy1]

7:38 actually those aren't three separate dragons, but the 3 heads of King Ghidorah, because in the 2019 movie Godzilla: King of the Monsters they tried giving each head it's own personality with the 3rd head being more curious that the other two. which actually makes the mem not work for protestants because since all are of the same dragon it would imply that all 3 are scripture.

[@humbirdms2784]

Thank you for helping me on my walk back to catholism, i feel right at home with christ and his church thank you so much for all the videos.

[@nickoru1]

Trent, praying to the Holy Spirit isn’t in the Bible argument is weak. If you gonna come up with that, you’ll only make Protestants laugh. There are verses in the Bible that clearly talk about at least praying through the Holy Spirit. What do you think praying in tongues is all about? The Holy Spirit is ONE with God! The Holy Spirit IS GOD! And the whole “trinity isn’t in the Bible” argument is so overused and overdone and WEAK at best! One must be baptized in the name of Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit! You can’t get anymore clear than that. So there are in fact verses that support the trinity! But praying to Mary? Zero! The whole wedding at Cana situation is a very weak supporting argument. The difference is huge! Asking Mary face to face for help vs asking Mary who’s in Heaven and there is zero biblical support that she can hear you. That’s the issue here! As for the sinner’s prayer, it is in fact in the Bible. Stop embarrassing yourself Trent! “All who declare that Jesus is the Son of God have God living in them, and they live in God.” 1 John 4:15 it means that all it takes is verbally confess that you accept Jesus as Lord and Savior to be saved. You could argue against that, sure, but stop using the “sinner’s prayer isn’t in the Bible” argument! It’s pathetic and weak! Praying to Mary is a much, much bigger issue than a “sinner’s prayer”. Get real!

[@garpuffyfish]

27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. 28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it. Luke 11 Kjv.

[@canibezeroun1988]

That's because she interrupted Him.

[@winduprose]

This passage supports the fact that Mary is indeed Blessed, because not only did she bear Our Lord in her womb and nursed Him, but above all she heard the word of God and kept it. (See Luke 1:41-45) And we are called to do the same as the Blessed Virgin Mary in serving Our Lord Jesus and hearing the word of God and keeping it.

[@amandadolekary]

So because shes blessed, she deserves prayer?

[@siruristtheturtle1289]

@@amandadolekary Prayer in the ancient and biblical context merely means to ask someone for something. Prayer is not worship nor even adoration, and christians pray to other christians for support and intervention all the time.

[@garpuffyfish]

@@siruristtheturtle1289 Why would pray to the dead then. They were people that prayed to the dead in the bible you know what they were called sorcerers.

[@SuperTommox]

I always enjoy these.

[@nobodybeatingmuigokuhesolo8660]

Horn Banger

[@fighterofthenightman1057]

Unfortunately, a lot of these seem to be specifically Baptist/Evangelical, and they’ve gained more prominence in modern Protestantism. Historic Protestantism that was the mainstream in Europe and America historically (Anglican, Methodist, Presbyterian, Congregationalist, Lutheran, etc.) differed with Catholicism, but it still held a high importance on church tradition, liturgy, sacraments, etc.

[@yoricusrex]

Prots BTFOed

[@AudenLassoChaveztigre]

the Orthodox and Byzantine Catholics focus mainly on the resurrection but still use the crucifix. One thing that Byzantine Christians base their Liturgical calendar of the resurrection of the Lord but they love the Crucifix.

[@Migueleby]

Christ is King. ✝️🇻🇦

[@Aidan_Spalding]

Catholic here: just wanted to point out that your argument for the Deuterocanonicals is faulty, as that verse in Matthew is also a reference to Psalm 22:8. God bless!

[@fhblake04]

Came for Christ is King.

[@onvogmasaj]

Christ is King

[@tylere.8436]

Christus est Rex

[@tonyl3762]

What is the relationship between mortal sins of omission, good works, and salvation? Many Catholic apologists today say that baptized Christians merely need to avoid mortal sin, but seems like a "sneaky" way of avoiding talking about the role of works in keeping/maintaining one's salvation.

[@danieljoyce6199]

A proper way of speaking about it, and this is the way the Catechism speaks about it, is that the supernatural life of the soul is animated by charity, just as our natural body is animated by our soul. It follows that anything that destroys the gift of charity in us, results in the loss of supernatural life. Just how faith is completely lost by believing something contrary to the faith, such as that the Father begot more Sons besides Jesus. It is also lost by omitting beliefs essential to the faith, for example the Trinity. This is because faith is "a firm resolve to everywhere and always hold to everything revealed by God, because it is revealed by God". In the same way charity is a firm resolve to everywhere and always will the good of God, because he is God, and by extension the good of our neighbors, because they belong to God. Now to omit something essential to the love of God, or to commit something contrary to the love of God completely destroys charity, as heresy destroys faith. These things we call "mortal sins" because they destroy charity, which is the life of the spiritual organism.

[@tonyl3762]

@@danieljoyce6199 Thank you for your response! While I completely agree, greatly appreciate it, and consider it fairly thorough and wholistic in one sense, it also lacks directness and conciseness in another sense. So let me try a yes or no question or two, if you will humor me: Is the grave refusal to do a good work a mortal sin? (Yes, "grave refusal" begs for definition and clarification, but I have in mind Jesus' words regarding the consequences of not bearing fruit, not caring for the poor, hungry, thirsty, naked, imprisoned, etc., like the case of the rich man and Lazarus.) If yes, then wouldn't it be somewhat misleading to say "all you have to do is avoid mortal sin" and perhaps incorrect to say "salvation is not dependent on doing good works but merely avoiding mortal sin"?

[@sivad1025]

If you have a baby in a crib and let your baby die by _not_ feeding him or her, you are definitely in mortal sin. You have an absolute obligation to feed your kids. So sure, feeding your kids is a work that's required for salvation. But it's important to caveat this with the acknowledgement that feeding your kids doesn't _earn_ you salvation; it's a work required to retain grace from God because letting your children is so heinous

[@Matt-1926]

@@tonyl3762 I think the reason why some apologists say this is because of the mindset that the Catholic Church teaches that good works must be done in order to be saved. Technically they don't, think about the disabled, they might be incapable of doing any good works. Also, wanted to add that salvation isn't depended on doing good works, it is dependent on remaining in a state of grace, which for some might only be possible through good works, for others no good works might be necessary. I think at the end of the day we need to keep in mind that there is no one size fits all here, so it really isn't possible to lay out one ground rule for the "relationship between mortal sins of omission, good works, and salvation" that are going to fit every single persons life. Hope this helps God Bless

[@tonyl3762]

@@sivad1025 Shouldn't we as Catholics (including professional apologists) be upfront that there are some obligatory good works that must be done to _retain_ our salvation? *Why is there not a lot of talk about good works being required to keep/maintain/retain one's salvation??* I agree with you though. I don't have an absolute obligation to feed some very specific starving person I don't know halfway around the world, but the rich man had an absolute obligation to care for Lazarus, whom he stepped over to leave his own house. I consider myself obligated to have food gift cards or care packages ready to give to beggars in my local area (I don't believe it is actually charitable to give cash out of laziness, knowing that cash probably won't serve the good of many beggars).

[@masonite6450]

Please do a video on Calvinist vs Thomistic understanding of predestination and free will!

[@Onlyafool172]

THE APOCRYPHA IS BAD?!?!?!? BRO ECCLESIASTES IS A MASTERPIECE

[@titusbaum9690]

Ecclesiastes is not apocrypha tho. It's in standard prostestant bibles.

[@dqaupop]

Ecclesiastes isn't deuterocanon, you're thinking of Sirach, sometimes called Ecclesiasticus.

[@med4699]

I'm a protestant who has done many hours of research of the history of the Canon and don't know how us Protestants who reject the deuterocanonicals can accept Esther and Revelation. My research indicates at the very least Baruch, Wisdom and Sirach were listed in as many canons from the second century to the 6th century as Esther and Revelation. Tobit seems to have alot attestation as well

[@christafarion9]

Not Canon. Old Testament is Jewish Canon. Exclusively. Cathol8cs have no right to add to it.

[@jrozi3872]

You had me until that fasting meme. No it is ridiculous that most Catholics treat themselves to their favorite non meat dish as their Friday "penance." Going to a restaurant and ordering a fish fry is NOT a penance. Catholics have gotten so lax on fasting and penance and this is a perfect example of that. Eating a fish fry instead of a burger is not a penance to anyone who has any ability to control their appetite. Eat a grilled cheese on Friday instead of a burger- THAT is a penance.

[@bethanyjohnson8001]

My family always gives up fast food entirely during Lent as part of our fast so it’s never been an issue for us.

[@tylere.8436]

My local Catholic church defined the fasting during Lent to be one full meal and two half meals, nothing in between; no meat except fish for Ash Wednesday and all Fridays; people with certain health conditions or kids are not obligated to do these rules.

[@jrozi3872]

​@@tylere.8436that's not a local thing that universal church law, and technically it's not 2 half meals, the 2 small meals together should not equal one meal. Those laws are only for ash Wednesday and good Friday though. The Church has gotten very lax on fasting.

[@sivad1025]

The Catholic church should bring back the black fast. The fact that we're held to lower standards than Muslims (who inherited their fasting from the Catholic Church!) is absolutely pitiful

[@tylere.8436]

Apparently Christians used to fast during Advent ​@sivad1025

[@gabrielmedina2480]

I think for the last one, the deluxe fish meme, it is true that we as Catholics sometimes try to get around Friday abstinence with tasty meals without meat, and I at least need to work on that.

[@thomasecker9405]

While a lot of these are interesting comments, Mr. Horn, I can't help but think that some of these responses are slight stretches of logic. For example, your response to the meme with the acne treatment ad concerning prayers/requests to Mary. Using the time the people at the Wedding of Cana asked Mary to ask Jesus to help with the wine shortage as an example to validate prayer to Mary is a bit of a non sequitur. Yes, they asked her to get Jesus to help them out, but it doesn't logically follow that this means that we should pray to her to expedite our requests.

[@TheOjamaYellow]

I’m 100% certain the fried fish meme was from a Catholic lol

[@Sm64wii]

I am Protestant (Anglican) but enjoy your content and can definitely see why these memes are awful lol.

[@christafarion9]

Why are they awful?

[@tigarion761]

I just wanted to point out that the meme @ 4:45 isnn't actually a protestant meme, or at least I haven't seen it used like that, I've seen it posted a few times but it was all catholic accounts doing it.

[@carolynkimberly4021]

I don't give a fig what Protestants say. Their arguments are sooo tiresome.

[@tylere.8436]

They are still Christian, just like Orthodox; we tend to fixate too much on our differences rather than our uniting salvation.

[@LegendKiller03000]

70s!!! The music totally makes up for any of the cheesiness.

[@MattCellaneous]

You prove yourself wrong on meme 3. When you're reading the text. The word seemly means dignified in a sexual manner. The word unseemly is to be half naked. So the command to wear seemly apparel is a command to women to not dress in revealing manner

[@ignatiusjackson235]

Immediate "like" for the Channel One dis!! Good Lord, that gave me flashbacks!! 😂

[@ryanrussell3183]

Don’t make me laugh Trent. Your logical conclusion that praying to Mary comes from somebody in The New Testament account making a request of Mary? That is quite the leap. I do appreciate your take to help better understand some of the Catholic positions but this argument seems pretty weak. Haha but very nice on the “did not… didn’t” and The Office reference. Made me laugh for real at that.

[@jrozi3872]

Honestly if you think that's a stretch I challenge you to value scripture more. Each little part of scripture is so deep and full of meaning that even the greatest theologian couldn't hope to fully unpack it in his lifetime. The wedding feast at Cana is one of my favorite accounts. Jesus' very first public miracle was at the request of his mother who was making the request on behalf of someone who was obviously close to her. Her last words in scripture are "do whatever he tells you" and then he performs the miracle of water to wine. There is so much rich and deep meaning there that if you don't see it you are just holding onto bias.

[@amandadolekary]

​@@jrozi3872no you're just also making a huge stretch. Praying to Mary is literally idolizing her and that's a sin

[@siruristtheturtle1289]

@@amandadolekaryYou are the one making here a massive assumption not found in the Scripture: Where exactly it is writen that prayers are only to be given to God? One has to wonder if all those times people in the past say "pray tell me" they were in sin, because that's an easy jump from your position.

[@Sicarius089]

On the use of Crucifixes, I love what Ven. Archbishop Fulton Sheen said on the matter "The modern world, which denies personal guilt and admits only social crimes, which has no place for personal repentance but only public reforms, has divorced Christ from His Cross; the Bridegroom and Bride have been pulled apart. What God hath joined together, men have torn asunder. As a result, to the left is the Cross; to the right is Christ. Each has awaited new partners who will pick them up in a kind of second and adulterous union. Communism comes along and picks up the meaningless Cross; Western post-Christian civilization chooses the unscarred Christ. Communism has chosen the Cross in the sense that it has brought back to an egotistic world a sense of discipline, self-abnegation, surrender, hard work, study, and dedication to supra-individual goals. But the Cross without Christ is sacrifice without love. Hence, Communism has produced a society that is authoritarian, cruel, oppressive of human freedom, filled with concentration camps, firing squads, and brain-washings. The Western post-Christian civilization has picked up the Christ without His Cross. But a Christ without a sacrifice that reconciles the world to God is a cheap, feminized, colourless, itinerant preacher who deserves to be popular for His great Sermon on the Mount, but also merits unpopularity for what He said about His Divinity on the one hand, and divorce, judgment, and hell on the other. This sentimental Christ is patched together with a thousand commonplaces, sustained sometimes by academic etymologists who cannot see the Word for the letters, or distorted beyond personal recognition by a dogmatic principle that anything which is Divine must necessarily be a myth. Without His Cross, He becomes nothing more than a sultry precursor of democracy or a humanitarian who taught brotherhood without tears."

[@Justas399]

No prayers to Mary in Scripture nor of the dead for help.

[@amandadolekary]

He's crazy

[@jomidiam]

You should watch the video to see what he has to say about that.

[@juld55]

Where in scripture does it say prayers need to be found in scripture?

[@Justas399]

@@juld55 Whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it. - John 14:13-14

[@juld55]

@@Justas399 That doesn't say all prayers need to be found in scripture. Good try though.