Trial by Jury: One man against the system

Edward Ottely joins me to tell me his experience of Trial by Jury, the process of getting one and the outcome. A fascinating story of persistence.
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[@johntimbrell]

I worked in the courts. I often witnessed solicitors defending criminals who warned them before court that they were in danger of going to prison. I knew that the offences were unlikely to attract a prison sentence. After the cases the defendants profusely thanked the solicitors because they believed the solicitors had 'got them off' . Edward Otley found out in advance how the solicitors and barristers are not acting in the interest of their clients. See the trouble and expense Tommy Robinson is suffering when the expensive barristers making many thousands of £s could use the constitutional Bill of Rights Act 1688 to stop the cases before a court appearance. Wake up folks.

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

Absolute nonsense. Are you a qualified advocate?

[@SirRogerHerwell]

@@RogerRamjet-t4q "Worked in the courts" could cover anything from being a member of the Supreme Court to cleaning the bogs in the local Mags

[@JohnDoe-l8c]

NPC trolls are out in force 😂😂😂

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

@@JohnDoe-l8cnaaah there’s only you and a few defective s

[@heyitsalanhere]

@@RogerRamjet-t4q Lil roger and sore bum roger...get to your bunk beds now...and not the same one 🥒👋

[@laurawillingham1965]

Wonderful broadcast! My gratitude to you both for being willing to stand for that which is fair and honorable. Shame on those who prefer otherwise.

[@ArizonaRanger-q7w]

I beg to differ. Ottley is exactly the reason for fire safety rule enforcement. He and Vobes want to pretend that the case is about some inconsequential rules. But the fact is the residents of Home from Home were, thanks to Ottley's incompetence, living in an unsafe building. And the lies Ottley told the inspectors upon their first visit were hardly honorable.

[@Rev_Arthur_Twunt]

So you think it's "fair and honourable" that a man who endangered the lives of tens of people by ignoring health and safety legislation should be acquitted. On what planet would that be fair and on what planet would ignoring legislation in place to protect people from risk of death be honourable? Oh, wait, I know the answer. It's on the planet "Vobes Fan" where the motto is "Screw you rest of society, I'll do what I damned well like"

[@capiberra4118]

Good interview Richard, thanks!

[@MrRockstar1968]

These illegal so called 'Legal Courts', need to be abolished and charged with causing unnecessary harassment, alarm and distress.

[@normanpearson8753]

He was obviously guilty , where's the problem?

[@Alex.D7]

Such an interesting interview Richard. It would be great to have Edward back to hear in greater detail the final part of the proceedings.

[@SirRogerHerwell]

The proceedings ended when he scored himself a 10 months prison sentence suspended for 18 months, 120 hours community service, a £60,000 fine and was ordered to pay just under £25,000 of the prosecution's costs.

[@organickevinlondon]

@@SirRogerHerwell what a "winner?????" that LOSER Edwards is. 18 months of "squeaky bum time" too, is not exactly like the star prize, in some sort of a television game show either.

[@heyitsalanhere]

@@SirRogerHerwell Roger sore-bum....you know lying is bad...now get to your bunk bed now...do double the press ups you did yesterday... (punishment for playing with lil rog...he's so naughty as well 🥒👋) so do 2 press ups then get straight to bed...no more playing with lil rog or any of the other bunk bed buddies...just try and control it... 🥒👋

[@VeruccaAssulte]

​@@heyitsalanhereyou absolute tit

[@paulhillman400]

DO YOUR RESEARCH Alex, the final part is exactly as Sir Roger describes . If he had pleaded guilty , as his Barrister recommended, then he would probably got a lighter sentence, but of course you don't believe that, because you think that we're TROLLS.

[@arinyah4790]

His mistake was to eventually admitting that he was the NAME!

[@organickevinlondon]

NO his mistake was, arsing around instead of removing known inflammable cladding immediately, as instructed, in case of fire, it could have easily been Corporate Manslaughter. but hey, peoples lives mean Jack S*** to people like him.

[@normanpearson8753]

He was in enough trouble without any SovCit nonsense.

[@organickevinlondon]

@@normanpearson8753 HE might as well have, stood in court, wearing a curly bright orange wig, stick on red nose, flowery shirt, oversized polka dot trousers, held up by a hula hoop as a belt and "comedy braces" and green plastic sandals.

[@paulhillman400]

​@@organickevinlondonHave you been looking through Vobes' photo album again ?.

[@normanpearson8753]

@@organickevinlondon And a car with fally off doors ?

[@helenstillburn7311]

Now pay the fine with a promissory note.

[@normanpearson8753]

@@helenstillburn7311 And he'd be back in court for refusal to pay .You don't mess around with judges .

[@helenwalker2986]

THIS THIS AND THIS AGAIN.

[@jimdee9801]

​@@normanpearson8753a bank note is a pn

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

@@jimdee9801 a bank note is a PN backed by the Bank of England. A sovtard PN is backed up by countless bags of hoarded rubbish and numerous bottles of stale piss, numbered and dated

[@OGCrypto33]

I live off grid, dont have to pay CT, Water etc 😂 all those savings get invested.

[@mandylowrey6431]

I’d love to live of grid don’t know where to start

[@PatrickOHare-t3l]

Scots law.Trial by dury.🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@MichaelONeill-m8p]

Why do the council tell me they have nothing to do with the police?..im desputing police inactions, 9 to be exact, so i stopped paying council tax, the council wrote back and said 'if i have concerns about the police i should put a complaint in to the police '.....nooo! im paying for a council service I'm not recieving so I've stopped paying....still waiting !

[@SirRogerHerwell]

Maybe they've told you that because they're right and you're talking absolute 🐓

[@JohnofthefamilySmith]

The water is not fit for human consumption. That is another reason to withhold payments.

[@Kelly-wf5ie]

The council is a business / corporation in which MUST have an ABN number to function etc… well private men / women do not have these ABN numbers, so how can the people do ANY business, they CANNOT it’s all fraudulent and extortion , period !! Refuse ALL, payments, eg water , electricity etc…

[@SirRogerHerwell]

@@Kelly-wf5ie What manner of absolute shyte are you spouting? For a start why would a UK local authority have, or be required to have, an ABN?

[@JohnofthefamilySmith]

@@Kelly-wf5ie SirRogerHerwell is a well known government troll posting disinformation.

[@kennetholchowy4947]

Some people say I have the brains of an idiot ,I tell them when would you like them back.?

[@user-bq3og5pz9w]

“i” man : am a idiot in legalese

[@SirRogerHerwell]

Some might say you have the brains of an idiot. They'd be right.

[@stephencoleman2414]

Suppose the courts and judges are under so much pressure not to show what’s real

[@brianread9781]

@@stephencoleman2414 it a MASONIC SHIT SHOW !

[@johnrualmond2176]

Thanks Richard Vobes for sharing this worthy research; it sure is very valuable to hear the experiences of those who have trailed the ‘system of things’ and are prepared to feedback; and We all get to witness a testimony of ‘tips and tricks’; there is also the adage, “what doesn’t kill Us, only makes Us stronger”; so even a fail, is still considered part of learning to employ that same knowledge power, where We, “make the enemy live up to their own book of rules”, Saul Alinski [Cf. Diplomatic Privileges and Immunities Act 1968, Schedule 3; NUNC-PRO-TUNC];

[@kennetholchowy4947]

A shill is like a secret agent of persuasion. They’re the undercover operatives of marketing, pretending to be genuine customers or enthusiasts while secretly promoting a product, service, or idea.

[@andjuju6476]

Brave man, well done. Nice to listen to a real life situation & how he challenged the biased power structure.

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

He didn’t change anything. He’s a criminal who unnecessarily argued up a mags case to crown court and got a harsher sentence for his trouble

[@SirRogerHerwell]

Yeah, bravely endangering the lives of tens of people to save a bit of cash notwithstanding a statutory obligation to undertake something.

[@andjuju6476]

@@RogerRamjet-t4q I never said he changed anything, I said he `challenged` the system. You seem like a guy who is very eager to plead guilty.

[@davieg7037]

Read Democracy Defined by Kenn D’Oudney. It explains the importance of Trial by Jury as fundamental to restraining a tyrannical government. Speak to William Keyte as well. He knows.

[@Habanero777]

There is a big difference between trial by jury of our peers😊

[@michaellukas4829]

Well said, William Keyte is amazing, and knows his stuff...

[@bobbybrown-c1b]

We need Alfred the Great as our true sovereign - for those who do not know, two judges came to a sticky wicket by A the G for not following the principals of a true trial by your peers and interferring with the proceedings. The above book should be compulsory reading for all 6th formers. People need to know that we DO have a constitution, it's just been cloaked and deliberatley hidden by the men in fancy suits.

[@islandaerial3414]

I hope that all you Tradesmen out there are padding your bills and raising your rates whenever, you get a Solicitor/Barrister for a client

[@ilb735]

@@islandaerial3414 padding? Your Bill's?

[@annapachaclarke2392]

@islandaerial3414. Exactly! Those grifters tell you that they have spent triple the amount of hours than they actually have, on top of charging an arm and a leg per hour, for basically then to tell you that the result of your case, will be akin to 'pis*ing in the wind 🙄 Complete grifters!!

[@User0player1]

when in a pubic venue involving agents (cops, bar cards, judges) seriously consider "silence is golden". Consider allowing the admins of the bankruptcy proceed without your input/meddling.

[@ilb735]

Why? What might that achieve? (Plea's)

[@User0player1]

@@ilb735Non meddling will enable the admins to settle the matters involving the legal person. Could it be that man is not recognized at the banc unless, of course, he wishes to be liable for another's issue?

[@ilb735]

@@User0player1 got it👍🏼🍻

[@redsed1565]

isn't silence acceptance?

[@User0player1]

@@redsed1565 what is the offer?

[@MrRockstar1968]

Maybe one day I'll get to share the disturbing story of a Jury at the Inquest of the death of my brother and all the misinformation, manipulation and lies.

[@stickemuppunkitsthefunlovi4733]

The fact you need a solicitor and a barrister is a joke in its self. One is not needed.

[@phillipcarter8045]

That’s what Alex belfieid thought he thought he could take on the court .

[@stickemuppunkitsthefunlovi4733]

@@phillipcarter8045 are you here to try and scare us? Lol. I'm not easily scared.

[@SirRogerHerwell]

@@phillipcarter8045 Well this bloke went without one and scored himself the less than amazing outcome of a 10-month prison sentence, suspended for 18 months, 120 hours of community service, a £60,000 fine and was ordered to pay the prosecution's costs of just under £25,000.

[@user-bq3og5pz9w]

Alex was a defendant in their legal court proceedings, he never started his own claim with claim number and established his own court at the courthouse county courts against another man.

[@SirRogerHerwell]

@@user-bq3og5pz9w Er yeah, he was a defendant in criminal proceedings. Do you think defendants should be immune from criminal proceedings unless they are the instigator of a claim? Are you actually retarded?

[@user-hp5qw3fv6m]

It didn't go well charged four out of five wasting valuable resources . A regularity crime endangering tenants reported by the fire services isn't an irregularity its criminal. Ottely comparing himself to the post office scandal as been a victim is disgraceful and the jury seen right through him.

[@rupertochurch4218]

Interesting. My jury trial was 50 years ago,lasted 15 minutes, and it was the judge that came to my rescue. 15 minutes in the Judge stopped the prosecuting council and said, "this sounds to me very much like a civil case dressed up to look like a criminal one, I want to see everyone in my chambers". The punishment was the year waiting to be charged and the year waiting to get to court, (which was the Old Bailey btw). The nights of lost sleep etc. In the end it was just a fine, jury discharged, "Ladies and Gentlemen etc I would not like you to think a deal had been done (ha!), but the defendants are guilty of something but not what they were charged with. Despite this I thank him and wish I could remember his name.

[@iyoutome]

thanks for being a Hero in these time... we all need to do one thing for the whole... we won... 🙏💜

[@SirRogerHerwell]

So, let's get this straight. This guy put people's lives in danger by failing to comply with health and safety legislation, is convicted by a jury of his peers and is heavily fined and receives a suspended prison sentence. And he's a hero? I guess I shouldn't be surprised that the same sort of people who think that a guy who ruined a teenage girl's life by shooting her in the head and who pretend to be a "weapons expert" ie Mark Steele, is a hero, also think a guy who ignored legislation intended to protect people from the risk of death by fire is a hero.

[@iyoutome]

​@@SirRogerHerwell Please forgive me for not being the loving man I should have always been... 🙏💜

[@jeremymott7582]

I have not finished listening to it. This is brilliant and fair play to Edward. We now need a purely civil matter to receive a trial by jury.

[@SirRogerHerwell]

I can save you the trouble and tell you how it ends. Arrogant tw@ who endangered tens of people's lives in favour of profit was convicted on 8 counts and received a 10 month prison sentence suspended for 18 months, a £60,000 fine and was ordered to pay just under £25,000 towards the costs of the prosecution.

[@homebodyheaven6114]

I admire your guest’s integrity. I only wish I knew how to translate his experience into the USA corrupt system.

[@SirRogerHerwell]

So you admire the "integrity" of a man who ignored health safety laws related to building construction and put hundred or so people's lives at risk? Christ, I thought the owner of this channel was pondlife but you are an absolute scumbag.

[@VeruccaAssulte]

​​@@SirRogerHerwellthere's no need to be rude. It's quite clear that Vobes and his friends are cunts 😅

[@SirRogerHerwell]

@@VeruccaAssulte yep when he tells us he's an "MC" we all know the "M" stands for "Massive"

[@VeruccaAssulte]

​@@SirRogerHerwellhahahahahaha

[@organickevinlondon]

@@VeruccaAssulte Vobes has friends???, surely Vobes is, the ultimate Billy No Mates.

[@user-hp5qw3fv6m]

I suppose it would been too easy for Vobes to question why Ottely's company purposely lied about flammability of the cladding but then Vobes isn't interested in confronting Ottelty when there's a perfectly good yarn to obscure the truth.

[@SirRogerHerwell]

Man asks for jury trial, gets jury trial. Jury thinks he's a guilty scumbag and finds him guilty. An hour for that?

[@Wingeezer]

It's what he does for a living - give him a break !!!

[@GoTellTheSpartans24]

It’s about the corrupt judiciary though tbf

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

@@GoTellTheSpartans24 corrupt for ensuring a bogus property owner got proper justice 🤦‍♂️

[@Duncanismyname]

@@RogerRamjet-t4q😂😂😂

[@helenstillburn7311]

If there wasn't a victim, shouldn't you have able to make a motion to dismiss?

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

Can you speed as long as you don’t hit anyone ?

[@heyitsalanhere]

@@RogerRamjet-t4q Get to bed lil rog... It's way past your bedtime 😴 ...and please...leave tiny roger alone... 🥒👋

[@helenstillburn7311]

@@RogerRamjet-t4q If you've been paying attention, you would already know the answer.

[@SirRogerHerwell]

@@helenstillburn7311 Yes but those of us who aren't dribbling sovtard fantasists and instead have functioning brains would give a slightly different answer to you.

[@SirRogerHerwell]

@@helenstillburn7311 Are you that f*cking stupid that you don't realise most crimes are created by legislation including virtually every health and safety related one?

[@anthonyfrost8925]

Where in the public interest is there to waste tax payers money by having 11 trials and as it is a corporation can you not invoice them for time wasted as well as have them charged for fraud. In the case of the jury trial is that judge not committing jury tampering which is a crime.

[@RachelElnaughLOVE]

Thank you so much for interviewing Edward. Hopefully his success (in getting a Trial by Jury) will silence the naysayers ~ who say it’s impossible! LOVE Rachel x

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

But his failure in getting a much harsher sentence will serve as a lesson to people who aren’t morons

[@VeruccaAssulte]

Wtf has happened to you Elnaugh???

[@SirRogerHerwell]

@@VeruccaAssulte She's a batshit mentalist environmental disaster zone who once many years ago managed to convince mainstream media she didn't have the intellectual nous of a brain damaged rodent.

[@RachelElnaughLOVE]

@@RogerRamjet-t4q eh? As I understand it, he got a lesser sentence!

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

@@RachelElnaughLOVE he got a far worse sentence 🤦‍♂️

[@michaelmckenna6929]

THEY ARE THE KINGS MEN, LOOK THAT UP.

[@Wingeezer]

Rubbish on steroids - but always good for a laugh! Keep 'em coming Rich !

[@AdianGess]

Thanks

[@anonymoustowers]

HE NEEDS A LLC. LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY. THIS HOLDS ONLY THE COMPANY LIABLE

[@SirRogerHerwell]

Only if you are a Wetherspoons qualified lawyer who thinks that the protection of limited liability afforded by statute cannot be overridden by statute (as it is by hundreds of legislative provisions to the contrary). Also, if you think we have "LLCs" in the UK, you are also a m0ron

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

Company directors are personally liable for Health and Safety offences

[@georgieporgiepuddingandpsy3859]

✊✊❤️❤️🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@andrewdavies7827]

I presume that the offences were against the Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005. That Order states that certain prosecutions are to be brought by the local fire and rescue authority (not by the CPS). So that exposes the first piece of deception in this video that this was a "private prosecution". As for the supposed distinction between trial by jury and jury trial, perhaps Mr Ottely can tell us which version he thinks he had that ended so badly for him, but ended reasonably well for the residents he put in danger.

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

Yes, he’s just a lying scum bag turd

[@reggieperrin8415]

What an attitude. He implies that it's not a crime because no harm had been caused. You can Google his name to find more information about this. Here's a bit of it: A fire risk assessment of the premises had been undertaken in 2017 by a company appointed by (removed), but it did not factor in the high fire risk of the cladding. It was established that the fire risk assessor had been given inaccurate information by the company about the level of risk. When this became clear, the assessor invalidated the fire risk assessment. Officers from SFRS attended the properties in 2019 and found that the fire risk assessment has not been reviewed and updated as required by legislation under the Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005.

[@TheCNCDen]

It's basic law, if there is no victim there is no crime!

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

@@TheCNCDenthat’s basic moron law

[@andrewdavies7827]

@@TheCNCDen No, it's not basic law. You may find that out the hard way.

[@TheCNCDen]

@@andrewdavies7827 It's the fundemental principal of a crime!

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

@@TheCNCDenwhat’s the fundamental one ??

[@louweazel7894]

This type of interview is undermining the work other people are doing in trying to educate the public as to the importance of authentic trial by jury. The offences were not trifling.. we weren’t told the actual offences, but it’s clear that at least one of them was an either way offence…so this man was entitled to elect a trial by jury in the crown court in any event… so he didn’t achieve anything astounding or difficult by getting the case heard in the crown court… it may even be that the prosecution wanted the matter dealt with in the crown court. The man got a prison sentence… albeit suspended. The company fined £60,000… and he and the company ordered to pay almost £50000 in costs between them. Sounds to me like the advice of the lawyers was correct and he’d have done well to take it! This type of interview is encouraging people to eschew proper representation when the stakes are high for them and they can’t represent themselves effectively. This type of interview is causing more and more people to get in trouble as a consequence and undermining the important educational work that others are trying to do to help us achieve the freedom we seek. It’s so depressing.

[@paulhillman400]

Well, that's Vobes for you.

[@veronicamorrison6056]

If I understand you correctly, there is a perfectly well oiled information service which regularly diffuses information and advice on such subjects as here exposed? Really?

[@GoTellTheSpartans24]

That may or may not be true though, having been on the receiving end of it a few times in my late teens,early twenties. On more than one occasion being advised by a solicitor to plead guilty just get it over with and then deciding to plead not guilty! And after the cases being advised to accept to be bound over although I was innocent 🤷 which I gladly and naively accepted to just get it all over with. Agreeing to be ‘bound over’ though also includes the catch that you’ve admitted guilt. Siiigh…..fckrs

[@louweazel7894]

@@GoTellTheSpartans24as with everything, some solicitors/ barristers are better than others… they advise… based on the evidence… it’s up to the defendant whether they take that advice. true, there is pressure within the court system to get the cases dealt with as quickly as possible and sometimes pressure for guilty pleas. In the ‘freedom movement’ there is a tendency to believe that all solicitors/ barristers are colluding with the state, speaking a secret language and are part of the agenda to entrap us. I’ve seen countless instances where this view has got people into trouble because they’ve refused the legal representation they need. Sometimes we need experts in the field… that doesn’t mean we blindly follow all their advice. Binding over does not require admission of guilt. See 13 of the criminal procedure rules.

[@louweazel7894]

@@veronicamorrison6056not sure what you’re getting at?

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

He fought the law and the law won 😂😂😂

[@annapachaclarke2392]

the law ? !🤔 which law??

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

@@annapachaclarke2392 health and safety law 🤦‍♂️

[@SteveeCee]

...well that's a hour of my life i wont get back

[@phillipcarter8045]

You might as well watched Eastenders .

[@SirRogerHerwell]

Honestly, always watch Vobes vids at 2 x speed. You get the entertainment of all the stupidity but only waste half the time.

[@Wingeezer]

​@@SirRogerHerwell Oh well, it's always a bit of entertainment to see how weird things can get! Some mother's kids !!!

[@stickemuppunkitsthefunlovi4733]

As far as the date is concerned. Julius ceasar added 2 months to the calendar so he could collect 2 extra months of tax revenue. He had alot of bills to pay.

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

Just for clarification, he used the same cladding as Grenfell on a building. He lied to the fire risk assessor about it. When the risk assessor found out, he withdrew the assessment and they were told to get it done correctly. Two years later the fire service found they were still using the withdrawn one. This man is absolute scum and should not be allowed to hold a directorship

[@heyitsalanhere]

Lil rog...get to bed...on your own...

[@heyitsalanhere]

Such a naughty lil boy you are lil rog...clean your boots and get to your bunk bed now...

[@chairmybowl835]

😂😂😂Vobeys biggest fan boy girl 😂😂

[@heyitsalanhere]

@@chairmybowl835 I know....lil rog loves him so much...he watches every episode 😍

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

@@heyitsalanhereexcept when I’m doing your wife

[@peterjones-b5b]

jesus this man could make sex sound boring ... i lost count of the amount of times i screamed at the screen to get to the f**king point ! ....

[@michaeltodd2797]

I was in court about 12 years ago for fraud .my solicitor was terrible he nearly got me sent down .the probation officer helped me and got me off a load of trouble. I put an appeal in and thr magistrate who looked into my case said I should have pleaded not guilty because of all the discrepancies in it .thr solicitor I used told me to plead guilty .I don't trust any of them they just want to take thr legal aid for as little as possible

[@jameswalker2584]

Excellent! I am so impressed with this man's story. I would like to hear more of the detail on how he managed to keep the process on track even when pressured by the wheels of the system. I think it would ve very instructive to listen to how he countered the tricks and devices of the court processes I agree with your final comments that he is an honourable man. In conclusion i would like to draw your attention to the term 'sentence'. This seems to me to be a magical term that we all think we know the meaning of but i suspect its use in language in the court process bears some reflection and investigation. Regards James

[@SuperMiloBass]

THIS GUY WENT TO COURT AND LOST! Follow his advice if you like....

[@anthonyfrost8925]

How did he lose. The case was dropped as 1 of the jury found him not guilty.

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

@@anthonyfrost8925 totally wrong. He got a suspended prison sentence, 120 hours community service and £100k in fines as well as a criminal conviction

[@SirRogerHerwell]

​@@anthonyfrost8925 LOL, he was acquitted on only 1, convicted of 8 offences and got a 10-month prison sentence, suspended for 18 months, 120 hours of community service, a £60,000 fine and ordered to pay costs of just under £25,000. You count that as a win? 🤣 Odd that he didn't mention the level of the fine and costs order when he was prattling on about how he saved money by not using lawyers and representing himself

[@anthonyfrost8925]

@@SirRogerHerwell I do. As he stood up for himself and at least that is 1 charge that can be used as case law in the future to defend your self against corruption. I'm surprised he never decided to have a retrial on the basis of the judge committing jury tampering.

[@SirRogerHerwell]

@@anthonyfrost8925 Ah, sorry, when I asked the question I hadn't realised you were a fantasist imbecile.

[@organickevinlondon]

After watching Vobes vids, for a while, yer kinda start to realise, how many flippin ODDBALLS there are in the UK, that follow his gibberish.

[@ANDYDT]

lol agree .. all entitled scroungers

[@Wingeezer]

sooner or later, we come to realise that - and also that this may be done just for revenue, be it youtube or donations !!!

[@organickevinlondon]

@@Wingeezer Vobes is either, a DELIBERATE nut job, OR an ACCIDENTAL nut job.

[@SirRogerHerwell]

@@organickevinlondon Each video makes me more and more convinced there's nothing accidental about this.

[@organickevinlondon]

@@SirRogerHerwell Vobes's "target audience" consists of, retired, rich, home owners, living alone and isolated, possibly house bound, who don't speak to their offspring as their offspring quite rightly say they are mad for swallowing all of this conspiracy theory JUNK, so they can easily be "groomed" and/or "milked" by Vobes.

[@TheDave325]

Brilliant

[@onevalewa1131]

Bravo for following this path and thankyoi so much for sharing your jourmey. Judge shoupd be impartial, but i too have experienced judges and magistrates who have blatantly been against me

[@normanpearson8753]

And those where there is no evidence to show guilt , the judge phrases his remarks in that fashion.

[@MrRockstar1968]

One of the major problems with our so called Justice System, is the solicitors, barrister and court costs. They should be charged with extortion and costs of court cases drastically reduced and or free of charge.

[@judithparker4608]

Thankyou. Were the 70 Postmasters Offered Reinstatement to their Positions ?

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

It seems that Baldy will have any scumbag on the show as long as it gets the Vobon Moonhowlers grunting for blood

[@normanpearson8753]

Be fair , yes he was always going to lose , quite rightly; but he wasn't a ,,,, I'm not the capitalised person , look at C'est qui vit , no jurisdiction.....kind of guy , like Vobesy's usual buffoons .

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

@@normanpearson8753 the lesser of two turds

[@msmrepo3271]

Juries can be a problem. I was told that recently a jury were told the defendant was innocent but still found him guilty. They are not instructed enough. It has been reported that jury members found people guilty because they were fed up with going to court everyday. A judge has to give a reasoned decision based on the evidence in front of him.

[@paulhillman400]

A Jury is not told whether anyone is guilty or innocent. The job of a jury is to listen to the evidence, and then decide. Whoever told that was talking nonsense.

[@helenwalker2986]

What a stoic man. I love that Edward is so grascious and how he comprehends the value for others in his walking the plank... its really valuable to listen to his experience. Thank you Edward.. your hard work will see you rewarded in time. Much appreciated.

[@normanpearson8753]

@@helenwalker2986 Yep , a good example....suspended sentence , £ 90 ,000 costs/ fine,,was there something else he got? . Way to go...no.

[@helenwalker2986]

@@normanpearson8753 Thats not the point.. the point is he walked people through what to expect... he explained that.. he ws very clear about that... so if thats all you heard then you listened on a very superficial level... He did it in a way that is help full to others so they can win... he lost but he also gave unlimited value to others by helping them prepare for the strategies used to defeat us...thats amaxingly grascious and generous and we need more people prepared to fail so we can win.... Now.. go email Richard and as to go on his show so we can hear about what you have done for others... Cant wait to hear.. Love you...

[@SirRogerHerwell]

@@helenwalker2986 You don't think that he endangered tens of people's lives is "a point"? Typical Vobes viewer.

[@helenwalker2986]

@@SirRogerHerwell Don't be stupid... those fires were set deliberately so as to create stupidity like yours.. The Fire services told people to remain in their flats.. you understand thats called EUGENICS and I have first hand expereince of that policy being enacted and then the senior person in charge telling me he had diplomatic immunity from criminal negligence... So dont sit around on these pages looking to undermine people with cock ass arguments because Im not the kind of bint not to play whup whup... Get some sleep and come back when you are ready for the cionversation.. EVERY PERSON IN THOSE FLATS AND SIMILAR ARE INSURED AND THATS WHY THEY ARE LIGHTING FIRES TO KILL THEM THEN TARGETING PEOPLE LIKE THIS... They are setting fires and locking people down as an act of war and for purposes of self enrichment.. PERIOD.

[@SirRogerHerwell]

@@helenwalker2986 That you even think the case involving Vobes' guest related to a fire shows just how monumentally stupid you are. You have absolutely no idea what the case was about and yet, not unsurprisingly for a Vobes fan, have decided to give us your opinion on it. F*cking cretin.

[@BrianBrewisComedy]

He admitted he was very lucky to get a trial by jury…and he found out about a hearing change by chance….so a trial by jury isn’t the normal outcome.. I do think the idea that he kept his own conscience clear was great…I’d imagine most people haven’t got the time or the resolve…well done Sir I’d like to hear from someone who goes through something like this and never accepts his or her legal name in court..are they all locked up, does the case ever close? The only person I ever heard doing this was a guy called Dean Clifford, please interview Dean Clifford on your show Richard, have a beautiful day peeps x

[@occupiedaustralia9952]

One tactic is to ask if you have the right to a trial by jury.

[@soulsaver369]

@Richard Vobes..... There are a few comments I have read that have me thinking "Did you apply your normal thought process before inviting this guy on your show" ?.

[@andrewdavies7827]

From what I've seen so far of this channel, finding any form of thought process on Mr Vobes's part has proved elusive.

[@normanpearson8753]

Well he was no Birth Certificate , not a person , no jurisdiction.etc etc like his other mentally challenged guests.

[@bernardcarney9391]

There is a verdict of nullification for tyrannical statutes! Let us get it used!

[@astroking3043]

When I went to court they switched locations and rang me at work at 6pm, I normally end at 5pm for 99% of the time, lucky I stayed late

[@pda49184]

It seems the judiciary will risk tax payers money by gambling that their system will win the day It paid off in this case, but I wonder how many 'don't' that we never hear about ? Well done to Edward for having the courage to take on such a formidable foe.

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

He’s a corrupt property owner who put Grenfell cladding on a property and then lied to the fire safety risk assessor about it. But hey, he said a few sovtard words

[@pda49184]

@@RogerRamjet-t4q I don't remember getting the fine details of why and how there wasn't a sufficient fire safety certificate that gave a direct and immediate advice to replace the cladding or evacuate the building. He did say they were waiting for a grant before starting the work to replace the cladding, so there was an 'intention' it seems. I understand how landlords have got themselves a 'reputation' though.

[@organickevinlondon]

@@RogerRamjet-t4q Did the court accept Edwards very own, "promissary notes" as payment of his fine and prosecution fees (maybe Vobes can sort that one out for him), and how come, Edwards didn't say the "Magic Words???" in court "I do not understand" and simply walk out, an unconvicted, free man, then shout "MAN OVERBOARD" as yer do when leaving court.

[@kevinprice2949]

I would of sent them a conditional acceptance notice stating my attendance fees for appearing at their bs courts. 11 appearances would never of happened

[@normanpearson8753]

Don't talk daft.

[@JohnofthefamilySmith]

@@normanpearson8753 You need to claim a fee for appearing at their kangaroo courts. They have plenty money to throw around.

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

@@JohnofthefamilySmith you can claim what you like Jeremiah, you won’t get it but it shows you have a delusional character which is helpful to the prosecution

[@JohnofthefamilySmith]

@@RogerRamjet-t4q I have claimed in the past. You have no idea of reality. 🤡

[@roymillsjnr5172]

Im a part time gynecologist just to keep my hand in 😂 🙌

[@ATV-London]

Can you get me a job? I've got a pole in my hand, and it's not the same.

[@normanpearson8753]

@@roymillsjnr5172 I wring out chammy leathers for a one armed window cleaner.

[@63phillip]

All trials should be jury.

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

Why ? If your a shoplifter caught on camera, you’re clearly guilty

[@63phillip]

@@RogerRamjet-t4q with Ai today that isn't always going to be true. If it is then it will be a short trial and they will get a slap on the hand and go do it again.

[@AndrewTravis-z3x]

What's so good about endangering the residents of an apartment building and then whining when you get caught doing so?

[@FlowerPower2222-p4u]

Much better interview.Someone real and pleasant, whether you agree with him or not, and not spouting endless arcane 'laws' to everyone which noone can follow and knows whether they are right or wrong anyway! Those kinda 'interviews' and letters from angry Veronica and her alteregos just act to bamboozle and confuse and alienate!

[@MrMartinburgar]

The jury probably dint realise the power they had so the more trial buy jury we have the more will realise that they have the power

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

Does anyone know what a shill is? It’s so hard to find anything about them

[@user-bq3og5pz9w]

A shill is a plant; stooge; conman; that can be paid to influence; persuade; promote; deceive ; mislead ; a swindler etc… to push a product; plan ; idea; etc… and does it for the benefit of the man or woman who is paying them .

[@SirRogerHerwell]

It's apparently someone who doesn't unthinkingly hoover up without question any old shyte that Vobes and his scumbag guests spout. Who knew?

[@Jon-bx1ij]

The word I'm liking at moment is Grifter. Don't know why but it makes me laugh. Grifters gotta Grift.

[@user-bq3og5pz9w]

@@Jon-bx1ij That sums it up quite well and straight to the point , never thought to use that word 👍

[@Wingeezer]

Shill , grifter, snake oil salesman, flim flam man, fraud, con man, scammer, all seem to fit in this context.

[@kalaspera12]

Is it a jury trial or a trial by jury? Big difference

[@mercedesvan-doors34]

A close friend is a lay magistrate and she is very clear about the limits of her authority. It seems some are keen to overstep their actual authority and do a sort of land grab for power.

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

Evidence ? There are three magistrates in a bench trial and a legal advisor to guide on sentencing 🤦‍♂️

[@kennetholchowy4947]

Surely the owners of the building are responsible for a cladding. ? This man is just running from that building.

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

No, he’s the property owner 🤦‍♂️

[@kennetholchowy4947]

@@RogerRamjet-t4q How come In the interview is stated there are several owners of the building.. ? I'm still waiting for your comment ?

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

@@kennetholchowy4947 as above 🙄

[@kennetholchowy4947]

@@RogerRamjet-t4q if you had a brain you would be dangerous.

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

@@kennetholchowy4947 if you had another video of women in leather, you’d have lots of videos of women in leather

[@karychannon1675]

Wondering what's the difference between trial by jury and jury trial

[@cuddlestsheep5863]

Trial by jury: (from Common Law/Magna Carta) Jury verdicts based on the law, the facts, the evidence, personal judgement of jurors. Jury must be 12 people Jury verdict must be unanimous Jury decides punishment Jury calls witnesses Jury can annul bad laws (jury nullification) Judge just convenes proceedings. Jury Trial: (from French system) Jury verdicts based on law, the facts, the evidence only. Verdict should be unanimous but can be majority. Jury can be as low as 9 Judge decides punishment Barristers/clerks call witnesses Jury are not supposed to annul bad laws (but they still do - Coulsdon Four case) Judge in control of courtroom

[@karychannon1675]

@@cuddlestsheep5863 scary. To rely on the 12 people knowing the difference going into proceedings....and the judge have the last words in his summing up kinda sways the weaker mindset...

[@cuddlestsheep5863]

@@karychannon1675 Juries are never told the power they have! They even have the power to acquit during the court case as soon as the prosecution have closed their case.

[@lesliegreen9397]

Jury trial is the french system whereby the judge may intervene with guidance suggestions etc. whereas Trial by jury everything is determined by a jury of our peers without interference from any judge.

[@andrewdavies7827]

​@@cuddlestsheep5863 If by "French system" you mean post Norman conquest, then your "trial by jury" from Magna Carta does not make since as it was sealed some 150 years after the Conquest and would be thoroughly French.

[@chrisbrown3278]

My understanding is that you can elect trial at a crown court . Many may try to avoid this as they are told the sentencing margins are higher at such a court . Also the threat of being remanded in custody to await trial is an issue also . On sentencing it beggars belief that someone of high standing should have a lesser sentence imposed upon them as opposed to another . The punishment should fit the crime . Be peaceful always

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

In general, magistrates court trials less serious cases because it costs less. All cases start at Mags however for the remand hearing. I don’t know what high standing means, sounds like a sovtard word, but if you demand a crown court trial for a low level offence, you should reasonably expect a harsher sentence if you lose, because you’ve been such a dick about it

[@chrisbrown3278]

You elect for trial at a magistrates court after which the case is sent to crown . The point I made I repeat is that the punishment should fit the crime regardless for example if your career is left in ruins if found guilty . Some peoples lives who have normal low paid jobs can be equally devastated by a sentence . This is the end of this interaction but I think you may want the last word .

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

@@chrisbrown3278 you don’t elect for trial at a Mags Court, you attend a remand hearing at Mags where you plead guilty or not guilty and from that they determine the most appropriate court for trial or sentencing. You don’t get to dictate that no one can contradict your inane comments either

[@justiceandlifeinlondon2888]

Although i agree with his opinions about the legal profession and the courts this person was found guilty except on one count and there is a fine to follow. So it’s not a success story and it’s disappointing that it is portrayed as one until you get to the very end. It’s as if he is trying to use this platform for reputation management. Every time i come to listen to something on this channel i get disappointed. Last time was when the host used language like ‘swarming’ for human beings.

[@SirRogerHerwell]

It's even more disappointing that a man who put tens of people's lives in danger is viewed as some kind of hero. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that the same sort of people who think that a guy who ruined a teenage girl's life by shooting her in the head and who pretends to be a "weapons expert" ie Mark Steele, is a hero, also think a guy who ignored legislation intended to protect people from the risk of death by fire is a hero.

[@user-dd7fw8ox3c]

Jury nullification refers to a jury’s deliberate rejection of the evidence or refusal to apply the law, either because the jury wants to send a message about a social issue or because the result dictated by law is contrary to their sense of justice, morality, or fairness. This phenomenon occurs when a jury returns a verdict that contradicts the legal requirements of the case, often due to their moral or ethical objections to the law or its application.

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

You mean a mistrial

[@SteveParkinson]

Another gud un.

[@tezwozere]

The legal system been against me since 70s lal💜🙏💜🧙‍♀️

[@user-bq3og5pz9w]

Then stop being the legal person

[@normanpearson8753]

​@user-bq3og5pz9w Or better yet , stop breaking laws .

[@user-bq3og5pz9w]

@@normanpearson8753 You do know the difference between legal and lawful yes or no ?

[@normanpearson8753]

@@user-bq3og5pz9w All anyone needs to know is if you do something illegal , or unlawful , you get punished .

[@tezwozere]

@@normanpearson8753 who made the laws up think about that lal💜🙏💜🧙‍♀️

[@michaelmckenna6929]

TRUTH OR FACT ARE NOT ALLOWED INTO COURT.

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

Why is baldy defending a crooked property owner who used dangerous cladding on a property, endangering the lives of everyone in it

[@heyitsalanhere]

Now now lil rog...you endanger people's lives when you drive around the park in your little pedal go cart...such a naughty lil boy...now get to your bunk bed...and yeh...leave tiny roger alone 🥒👋

[@apollo2276]

I think you'll find my friend it's the OPSS who regulate the uk construction industry, owners of a building don't have a say in what materials are used when buildings are built. At some point in the past, they happily passed this material off as safe to be used in the construction industry. If anything your questions should be directed to the OPSS asking them where is all the fire safety test data for this cladding material? These tests should of been conducted before any decisions made. I can pretty much guarantee 'IF' they did actually have this fire test data, then they would already know this material is a fire hazard. And yet they still allowed it to be used in buildings. They already knew in my opinion They dont give a toss, clearly, it's all about the money for these companies.

[@heyitsalanhere]

@@apollo2276 Your reply is to a naughty little boy who has nothing better to do. He should be in bed by now....shouldn't you lil rog...

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

@@heyitsalanhereno she’s still a bit sore from Monday, that’s what happens when you’re only used to having a Chinese mouse in there

[@annwilliams5435]

Another dim wit that can only use rude words to put a sentence together or are you still at school. Do not know why you are bothering to come on this site

[@luminouslink777]

I do not comprehend what is it that he did and why did the jury find him guilty, based on what? Isn't accepting jurisdiction of the fake malevolent court actually standing under them and recognizing their authority?

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

Dangerous cladding on a building

[@luminouslink777]

@@RogerRamjet-t4q Why and in which way was it dangerous? His own building?

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

@@luminouslink777Google it - serious safety offence

[@1960ARC]

​@@luminouslink777 this happened because there was a big fire in a tower in London I think, and many people died because the cladding was highly flammable. The building he was looking after whilst much smaller, must have come under the ruling made after the fire to safe guard life. What I don't understand is, it's not his money, why didn't he just do as per the ruling. Appears he has personal risk with no personal gain.

[@normanpearson8753]

This was a real court , not one made up in the strange minds of SovCits on here .This trial actually happened .

[@user-dd7fw8ox3c]

Telll the jury that it is in their minds that they need to decide who the victim is and has a crime been committed against them, and if they find no crime has been committed they must find you not guilty, juries make the law, and judges do not want them knowing that...

[@normanpearson8753]

He was obviously guilty , but still wanted such a trial . He knew he was. The victim may have been those burned to death. He's a nutter.

[@paulfensome1404]

I dread to think how this guy got through all those Court Cases , he can hardly string a Sentence Together. He does not come across as super Intelligent to be Honest

[@heyitsalanhere]

Wow....a lot of comments disappeared 🤔

[@Berryhill-86]

I don’t understand how you can plead guilty to an offence if you’re not or even told to plead guilty by solicitors. This would be a telling untruth in court which in itself is a crime.

[@Rev_Arthur_Twunt]

You are not on oath when you enter a plea.

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

But he was guilty, and the legal advice was correct. He was only innocent in his own mind, the evidence was conclusive from the start, he arrogantly thought he could bull💩 the jury and paid the cost

[@Berryhill-86]

If you’re not on oath why would you be given a bigger sentence if you pleaded not guilty. It appears to me law revolves round money not truth.

[@Rev_Arthur_Twunt]

@@Berryhill-86 The same maximum sentence and the same ranges based on the seriousness of the particular offence apply whether you plead guilty or not guilty but you get a discount from those for a guilty plea

[@soulstep967]

Seems the justice system is a system.

[@SirRogerHerwell]

Do you have someone who looks after you?

[@soulstep967]

@@SirRogerHerwell I had a cat. Kind of you to ask.

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

@@soulstep967did you eat it ?

[@garytyler1448]

ASHBY v WHITE and AL.MICH.2 (1703) (Ann)as soon as you make any plea you give them jurisdiction.

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

They have jurisdiction anyway, the court is sovereign 🤡. Watch the many dumb sovtards in court videos

[@MrRockstar1968]

I think part of the problem with Juries these days is that the majority of the public are so dumbed down that they don't truly understand the reality of matters or understand the corrupt legal and lawful system, etc.

[@normanpearson8753]

Presumably everybody found guilty shouts "Corrupt " .

[@MrRockstar1968]

@@normanpearson8753 Presumably everybody who doesn't even know what they're talking about are "stupid". For the record I haven't been found guilty of anything if that's what you're presumably insinuating.

[@normanpearson8753]

@@MrRockstar1968 They're bright enough to realise who"s guilty , or not .The fact they're in court at all doesn't help , of course !

[@normanpearson8753]

@@MrRockstar1968 No.

[@thecosmicknowingknowing3099]

With the Creditors Status, as Executor you can file a UCC1 and Commercially LIEN Their Individual DUN'S NUMBER through the Treasury IRS.... Correct STATUS FIRST.. ALL THE BEST

[@SirRogerHerwell]

F*ck me that was like you ate a book on US commercial/tax law and practice and then just shat out random words.

[@reggieperrin8415]

@@SirRogerHerwell 🤣

[@normanpearson8753]

'Course you can.....

[@cgray8969]

Hey so I was thinking since Legalese is a foreign language... Couldn't one require an interpreter for Legalese?

[@Carolrose1111]

Did he agree to the jurors?

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 here comes the sovtard nonsense. Did he consent to the trial ? 😂😂😂

[@SirRogerHerwell]

@@RogerRamjet-t4q i DO not COnSEnT!

[@Carolrose1111]

@@RogerRamjet-t4q what is sovtard 🤷🏼‍♀️ and why is my question funny to you that you have to be disrespectful?

[@flyingfishnet]

Was it worth it?

[@user-bq3og5pz9w]

What type of jury was it and what type of court was it and who’s court was it and under who’s court rules was it and who established the court and what where the titles defendant and prosecutor or defendant and plaintiff or man; prosecutor and wrongdoing ; man ???

[@johntimbrell]

Edward Otley's Bail. If the fire service did not help Edward I would have refused the OFFER of bail. They would have had a hard job imposing it. They could not imprison him without first convicting him. See Supreme court Jalloh.. Neutral citation number [2020] UKSC 4

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

You haven’t a clue. Many defendants are denied bail and taken into custody

[@johntimbrell]

@@RogerRamjet-t4q I'll bet you haven't researched the Supreme Court Jalloh Case. Your comment is dangerous. The judges ruled that Mr. Jalloh should not have been released on condition that he stayed in his home overnight. They ruled that it was unlawful imprisonment. I doubt if you will have the humility to apologise.

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

@@johntimbrell Do you think suspected violent rapists should walk the streets while they await trial

[@johntimbrell]

@@RogerRamjet-t4q Now you are talking sense. It's the bottom line and I do not have the answer but consider this. We need the statute law for the good order of society. I use the example of driver traveling at 50mph outside a school. At common law he could not be prosecuted because he has not caused harm or loss to another until he has an accident. Speed limits are necessary but our statute law is being abused as Edward Otley's case proves.. They used a criminal court to prosecute him for offending a statute. It's back to to tier policing. The government and the fire service are not being prosecuted for the Grenfell CRIMES and et the prosecute an easy target like Otley. You appear to know more about the affair than I do. My comments were based on general issues. Regarding your question about rapists being allowed to remain free before trial. I agree that serious offenders should be incarcerated before trial but that is against common law. It brings me back to my statement that the law is the best compromise that we have but the trouble is the stupid people allow the corrupt government to imprison people for speaking their mind. There have always been evil people but the difference today is the stupid people prefer not to learn our real law and refuse to stop the huge amount of child abuse which as a very senior police officer stated on oath," The paedophilia in the establishment is institutionalised". That is why I will keep fighting and using our real law even though it has its faults. Whatever the rights and wrongs of Otley's conduct the more serious real criminals in the Grenfell affair will remain free and the child abusers continue to sexually abuse our children. Join me and learn the real law. Start by learning the difference between lawful and legal.

[@yasminclarke175]

Just looked up the origin of 'jury' and like judge, and jurisdiction it comes from the word Jew. 'Iud' Would be interested to explore it's meaning further.

[@Rev_Arthur_Twunt]

and, inevitably, here come the antisemites....

[@yasminclarke175]

Blokey actually mentions the 10 commandments in the video, as I have now discovered having listened to most of it so that's another dot for connection

[@cgray8969]

I'm not completely sure so do your research but I believe the difference between a Trial by Jury... specify of 12 peers. Because I've heard... they'll try to only use only 8 sometimes, ( Different rules maybe) or ? check for accuracy. And That a Jury Trial can be four judges. Who do what? All work for the Bar.

[@andrewdavies7827]

You're not completely sure. so we have to do our own research. How about doing some of your own before shooting your mouth off.

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

What’s the bar

[@heyitsalanhere]

@@RogerRamjet-t4q What you play with every night 🥒👋😂

[@SteveWillis-p4y]

Are Juries actually told that they are also there to judge the law that the defendant is charged under. Are they told that they can find the law to be unreasonable and should be either changed or taken off the books?

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

😂😂😂😂😂😂 yeah right, in your mind perhaps

[@SteveWillis-p4y]

@@RogerRamjet-t4q ? Do you mean you do not think Juries should be judging the law as well as the alleged crime. It was supposed to be like this so the people could address unjust laws.

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

@@SteveWillis-p4ydo you have proof for any of this nonsense??

[@tcrookes2803]

Penn v Mead 1670 allows juries to find not guilty despite the Judge's opinions that he's guilty.

[@tcrookes2803]

@@RogerRamjet-t4q So jury nullification isn't a thing then?

[@cgray8969]

Sorry so much talk. It might be expedient to speed up a trial possibly if you were to write up a contract that charges the wrongdoers say $5000 per day for each and everyday they hold this fraud against you. Not in those exact words but learn, find out what to say.

[@normanpearson8753]

And the courts would sign such a .."Contract"?!!!

[@PrincessNads1]

Please don't ever represent yourself. You are almost always going to lose, just as this man did! I used to work in a court so trust me, you will not be taken seriously. Get professional representation! You wouldn't build a house from reading a book.

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

“A man who represents himself in court has an idiot for a barrister”

[@farmingfromscratch]

This Guy is cool, but shouldn't have asked for a trial by jury! in legal matters they only have jurisdiction over the original birth certificate!!!!! plus how are you ever going to find 12 people who know Natural Law and aren't legally indoctrinated. The jury should have thrown the case out when they heard there was no harm!!!!!

[@farmingfromscratch]

I know he was between a rock and a hard place because it was also his business being charged as well but it's the same concept of jurisdiction that can be used to throw the case out.

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

Dumb and dumber

[@normanpearson8753]

Usual SovCit stupidity . Even SovCit Yanks have given up on that . There may not have been ,"Harm" done driving at 120mph in a 40, but.....

[@farmingfromscratch]

@@normanpearson8753 Now we will use a different example, well done, you're right lets just take away everyone's freedom on an off chance!!!!!!

[@normanpearson8753]

@@farmingfromscratch So you advocate 120 mph spins , and illegal cladding , or prefer to wait till people get crushed , or burned to death?

[@fivetwoeight528]

Everything is an invitation. Why are courts cladded with wood, and you're invited / directed to step up onto the DOCK? Maritime/ law And if or when you do step up onto the dock ,would it be fair to say that you have now stepped off Gods sovereign earth.= No protection.?

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

Sovtard nonsense. Is anything in your house made of wood ? Maybe it’s a boat 🤦‍♂️

[@VeruccaAssulte]

​@@RogerRamjet-t4qbloody hell Roger I'm getting pretty punchy listening to this pathetic disingenuous shite

[@SirRogerHerwell]

@@VeruccaAssulte It's just monumental shyte from beginning to end. Unless I'm very much mistaken a "dock" is still part of the land, that's kind of the point, it's the bit a ship moors up against. Even if you entertained for a second the adMiRaLTY laW! drivel they churn out they don't even seem to undertand what even nautical terms mean. I'd be amazed if they could tie their own shoelaces still less a round turn with two half hitches.

[@Coj0nes01]

Good morning, Richard. We met at The Limes Hotel at Needham Market and this man spoke there . Unfortunately, he is difficult to engage with and not particularly succinct or decisive . His experience reflects as much and is likely going to prevent people from challenging injustice. As he said, " Man cannot ride two horses at once " Do people answer to the Creator or to False Idols ? He has become victim to the greatest con of all and as a result has been convicted . Sad story.

[@RogerRamjet-t4q]

He’s also a criminal

[@Coj0nes01]

@@RogerRamjet-t4q , what makes you say that?