(89)The Saladin and Hermes Classes

In today's episode of Truth OR Myth Beta, we're taking a look at the Saladin and Hermes Classes, as first seen in the Franz Joseph Starfleet Technical Manual! I hope you enjoy!
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[@Kaldryf]

Man, the producers of the shows need you on staff as Trek Historian and Fact Finder. Your take on the universe is considerate of canon and still fresh and interesting. Thank you for all you've added to the Trek fan community!

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you Paul, that means a lot to me :)

[@voltaicfire1825]

I don't think the current producers care about the lore and history. It would be a waste of his valuable time and knowledge.

[@ericmadsen7470]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Wonderful job. Shame that the two class of Starships would not see a refit of there own.

[@DamienDrake2940]

The title Lore-Master has a nice ring to it.

[@JDtheBlackPhoenix]

I would agree, I've only disagreed with a few Inconsequential things you've come up with, I agree with most of the ideas you come up with.

[@philipgalbraith6402]

Franz Joseph would be proud of these graphics

[@vegaobscurax23]

Jesus, Starfleet’s design philosophy is often painful to behold. You’d think the federation never engaged in a full scale war in which Starfleet was immediately confronted with adversaries that outmatched them in nearly every battlespace..

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Ahhh the Governments of the Future and their organizations... Not much has changed there really!

[@superginrai8036]

Nice rationale for these two classes. It’s a very realistic premise that politicians often get in the way of practicality. I’ve always been a fan of the Franz Joseph designs and I’m glad you’re doing them justice here.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

I always love to add a bit of real world logic in to my stories as explanations... Like Trek, taking inspiration from real world events of the time, I do as well :)

[@grimreaper6557]

Thank you for the Look at the Hermes and Saladin class ships. I love this look in to the Tech Manual it made me dig my old one out and follow along. keep up the great work =).

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Right on! that's the type of stuff I LOVE to hear :)

[@arklestudios]

It was sadly lost sometime around 2003 when we moved, but my Dad had a kit bash of the Saladin class that he proudly displayed with all his other models. He added a bit of a blue tint to the hull coloring. Not sure why. Sadly, he died in 2016 so I can't ask him now, and it never really occurred to me to ask him before (or I did a long time ago and just forgot, that's always possible).

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Awww thats unfortunate :( But thank you for sharing :)

[@yowiebo214]

I like how the USS Archer in Strange New Worlds Episode 1 is NCC-627. If you look in Franz Joseph, Star Fleet Tech manual it says the Hermes Class (MK-VIIB) can be outfitted as a Diplomatic Courier. In the list of ship names for this class, the highest NCC was the USS Phoenix NCC-625.

[@diegoarias7774]

A TOS style kelvin class ship would fit nicely into your beta Canon.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

LOL ;)

[@geekinitwithjimclassic8240]

I thought Discovery was part of the Kelvin timeline? I could have sworn they stated that in an episode where they acknowledge they're living in an alternative timeline. I thought in the original timeline there wasn't a war against the Klingons.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

@@geekinitwithjimclassic8240 No, the absolute opposite is true! They have said time and time AND time again, that DSC is the Prime Timeline, and have often referenced direct events OF the Prime Timeline...

[@EugenioAngueira]

Love the story you have created for these ships. There's isn't much detail covering these designs. There have been many variations of these designs done by fans, however. Some with hull extensions on the back of the saucer with shuttle bays, others with torpedo systems in the "neck," others with a deflector integrated on the saucer frame, etc. Simple designs that have inspired many variants!

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you Eugenio :) I try really hard with each of my videos ;)

[@theicmn]

If I had skills, I would give her a NX style deflector and a refit still neck torpedo.

[@MrStabby19812]

Makes sense the older ships were constantly updated. We see that on the Enterprise herself over her lifespan even pre TMP

[@christopherbabcock7518]

My introduction to the Saladin was in STFC, first million point combat vessel. Beautiful pizza cutter of doom

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

LOL

[@jasonfranklin3446]

What is STFC?

[@daviddyster4145]

I would like to see more of Franz Jhosifs designs in canon.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

You and me both David :)

[@Jalu3]

Many of them found their way onto background screens during the TOS movies

[@MatthewCaunsfield]

Good video (as always) and a very believeable explanation of why we never saw too much of these classes

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Glad you enjoyed it Matt! :)

[@robertwhatley9861]

Good video as always. My thoughts on these 2 classes reminds me of an episode of DS9 when they ask Warf why those klingons dont have ridges on there foreheads and he gets an embarrassed look and says "we don't talk about it." Its like that for me.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

LOL thank you Robert :)

[@theicmn]

I always liked these and the Freedom class.

[@wessd]

I built one of these in 1979 using an old reclaimed and refurbished AMT Enterprise. And then I battle damaged it. And now I want to build another one!

[@Christophsys]

What an interesting story about 2 classes that I never gave a 2nd thought to! Qapla.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you, glad I could make you think about them for a bit ;)

[@KertaDrake]

I love how it seems like most Starfleet ship designs of the era both have prominent Bussard collectors, but also seem to always have them at least partially obstructed by some other part of the ship...

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

LOL Yes, seems to defeat the purpose, but apparently doesnt as the ships work non the less ;) :P

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

@@Jack_Stafford You had me up until the second comment, as that one doesnt make any sense at all... Given most designs we see have nothing in front of the B Collectors... So if every other design isnt worried about that problem, then neither would this one!

[@DR_X69]

Absolutely loved it. I think we need more Franz Joseph ships here.

[@stevenewman1393]

🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and informatively explained and executed in every way and form and detail provided indeed, I myself still own a couple of the Franz Joseph Starfleet technical Manuel a original vinyl hard cover and a later paper back one and I love the various ships that are provided in the Manuel's👌.

[@jeffhallam2004]

You know I like the Beta content videos!

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

And you know I love making them ;)

[@jeffhallam2004]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios it’s a lot of work….👍

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Indeed it is! But also worth it :)

[@LMG1792]

Here’s to hoping we get to see the Andor class and the chandley class ( think my spelling is right on that one) since we are getting these design. In any case love the videos man and great job.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you Logan!

[@srvfan454]

I love these videos, thank you for making them! I love the oddball ships.

[@jimb8601]

Another great story and the cgi from the Space Engine continues to impress me every successive video.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Glad you like them Jim! Thank you!

[@kyletimmons421]

I love these videos! Any chance we could see the Akula-class as seen in Star Trek Shattered Universe get any love?

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you so much Kyle :) The problem I have is access to 3D models... Though I now have an "in" with Space Engine, I still have to wait for the various models to be either created or added to the Program... Right now that one doesnt seem to be on the docket! But when it is, rest assured Ill make a video about it :)

[@dominik8005]

WOW is very Awesome! (Episode 197) Truth OR Myth BETA- The Saladin and Hermes Classes and like very much the Space Engine Modells

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you Dominik and Space Engine is AMAZING!

[@SANSd20]

my headcannon is that while these two classes might have only one nacelle, they would still have two sets of warp coils inside that one nacelle. Also, while the nacelles are powered up, they would produce dangerous levels of radiation there for crew members are not permitted into the neck area.

[@billphillips5821]

Thanks for another great video. I don't think you've ever put a bad one out there and that is incredible!

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you Bill :) Thats very kind of you to say :) I do try my best to always put out quality content :)

[@antwan1357]

I believe that this ship would have flown similar to a Klingon bird of prey. Hit fast hit hard. Also you can't see the warp nacelles on a bird of prey suggesting it is a one nacelle in the middle hidden.

[@voltaicfire1825]

Another great video, thank you for your hard work.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

My pleasure Voltaic :)

[@YdnarLah37]

Great couple of videos. I've always loved the Franz Joseph designs. I finally kit-bashed the Ptolemy and Saladin from 1/650 Enterprise kits last year. Will you do a video on the Ptolemy?

[@hyrinshratu]

The Hermes strikes me as a prototype for the Oberth class, given they are both underarmed short range ships with primarily scientific missions.

[@lnlraven079]

I hope he goes into the Anton and Apollo classes of ship. Though Anton is just a TOS Miranda, the history of the Apollo's is quite interesting and that ship's lineage from the Connie through it had gone.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

One day he intends too ;) :P The problem I have is access to 3D models... Though I now have an "in" with Space Engine, I still have to wait for the various models to be either created or added to the Program... Right now neither of those seem to be on the docket! But when they are, rest assured Ill make a video about them :)

[@RX552VBK]

Excellent video.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Glad you liked it Gary :)

[@ussvoyager8650]

The Saladin & Hermes class Starships look really cool

[@Thor13332]

The saladin and Hermes classes fit the era better than the walker class.

[@jamescade5848]

Very nicely done, I really enjoyed it!

[@DavidSiebert]

I am a big fan of the Tech Manual and FASA designs. I think the Connie refit is about the best-looking ship they made. To me, the Galaxy was unbalanced and had too many windows. When I first saw it I called it the Space Winnebago. It would have made a really nice cruise ship IMHO. The Defiant was nice and Voyager was just okay. From a navy strategy point of view, the Destroyers make a lot of sense. You need X amount of ships to be everywhere you need to be and some tasks do not need a large ship. It really depends on the threat you are facing. The Scout class makes a little less sense your description is more of a science vessel than a scout. Maybe an armed intelligence trawler? In older navy doctrine Cruisers were the scouts of the fleet. Long-range and fast but less armored than a Battleship. When carrier aircraft took over the scouting mission they became escorts for the Carrier being fast enough to keep up with the carriers Trek has carriers but they never really seem to fit well. Well good video and very well done.

[@briananthony4044]

That's a lot of blind spots for the phasers, especially below.

[@charlestaylor253]

The U.S.S. Lollipop was the only member of these two classes that was actually a good ship... 😏

[@darrensmith6999]

Another great video and an answer to the questions i asked in the previous video comments Than you. Would love to see a Saladin and Hermes Refit ship bet the would look amazing love the narrative you wove around them , any plans for a Tug Class video ? (:

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you Darren, Im always happy when a Loyal Viewer such as yourself tells me that I answered a question for them... It's a HUGE compliment, well at least that's how I see it :)

[@wolfmeadows]

Wish Star Trek online has these ships.

[@tomfennesy9105]

Amarillo owns the rights to this line.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

@@tomfennesy9105 Im sorry but I believe you are incorrect... It is my understanding from speaking with the Joseph family, that they own the rights still, merely allowing others to use them in their works, after they pay them royalties for using them...

[@SaturnCanuck]

That was good. I have already said I made the USS Lysander NCC-540 from parts of an old Enterprise kit. I also did that the same with the refit, and she looked quote good as a “Saladin Refit”. Are you planning on doing the Ptolemy Class as well?

[@justinhammer3196]

Always preferred the ship designs from the Star Fleet Battles Task Force board game.

[@jrokur551]

Great vid!! Really Inter timeline you got. Would love to see a beta canon video for the NX Franklin

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Well Ive done the Class Already :P kzbin.info/www/bejne/oITZaKuEjLGaftk&ab_channel=TriAngulumAudioStudios Id have to do some research to see if there was enough info on the ship and history itself to fill a video...

[@timjerrom7173]

Keep up the fantastic work!

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you Tim :) Ill try :)

[@charlestaylor253]

Um, something's bothered me about the Hermes and Saladin class designs since I bought my first edition of Franz Joseph's Starfleet Technical Manual at age ten in 1979...Where are the G-D shuttlebays??? 😡

[@philly83]

Great video! I know there's not a lot of information out there about it but I still find myself being very curious about the mirror universe versions of these classes and they're in universe stories.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you Mark :) And Im sure the Mirror Version are practically the same with a few Yellow Stickers attached ;) :P

[@MrSheckstr]

Given that TOS had such a limited number of starship styles and sizes…. I felt the Kitbash fleet gains legitimacy our of sheer necessity, a necessity that Roddenberry failed to understand when he tired to retcon the kitbash fleet OUT of existence in the 70s as such i am fine with the kitbash fleet including the Saladin and Hermes, with the only caveat being that i dont like the flimsy and awkward placement of the deflector dish…. I personally delete it from my head cannon, either replacing it with the non visible deflector array on the Miranda, or an oval NX inspire dish embedded in the hull either at its mid center, or below that point. Also my head cannon between the Saladin and Hermes is although they both appear identical from the outside….. the Saladin as a combat vessel sacrifices crew amenities to fit a larger horizontal warp core in the saucer section while the Hermes relies on a more modest reactor in the nacelle just aft of the collector. Because of this the hermes also has fewer pairs of warp rings …. This is how Hermes has more space in the saucer for crew quarters, labs while the Saladin has more phaser banks and photon torpedo launchers

[@macross.shaeffer3197]

I would love to see your fan fiction I think it would be great and interesting

[@Killerspieler0815]

and the Miranda & Excelsior take the place of these 2 & the Constitution ... as long service work horse

[@williamjay87]

I’ll be one of those rare voices in that I’m not really a fan of these classes. I LOVE the TOS look and both the Connie. These ships did what was needed of the time which was fill out a Star Fleet that did t yet exist. But the are too basic nowadays for my taste. That said, you e got a good narrative trying to explain them in a way that makes sense.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you, and too each their own! Dont feel bad for disliking them... There are designs I dislike and am also in the minority on them, it's just a wonderful part of IDIC :)

[@larson389]

Have mercy no more Discovery

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Whether you like it or not, DSC is canon and takes place in the Prime Universe, therefore it will ALWAYS be a part of this channel!

[@FreeThePorgs]

Cheaper then a constitution but more then a red shirt with a spacesuit and a rock to throw….

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

LOL Awesome Description ;)

[@78.BANDIT]

I always thought having the deflector dish there was dumb. Smart when the NX Class put it in front of the saucer section.

[@GoingtoHecq]

Space is not for the timid and I guess you should never let yourself sit still for too long.

[@sartainja]

Where would we be without the ST Technical Manual from 1975?

[@Jake.P.L]

For me, both of those classes look little bit odd. But if the Saladin and Hermes don't have a shuttle bay, then i wonder, how can the crew get out of the ship to another location when the transporters are out during that time, or if something else is interrupting the transporter systems. Like the environment surrounding the ship or at the planet.

[@kommandantgalileo]

I need a Refit Dreadnought class

[@richard77231]

Doesn't having the deflector dish sitting so exposed without any structural foundation surrounding it create a serious weak point?

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

No more then the necks of Most of Starfleets Starships!

[@TheJorgSacul]

you're putting 20th Century engineering principles onto a 23rd Century starship.😉 Consider the advances made in the last three centuries- how would a British engineer in 1760 interpreted the design and functions of something like the USS Gerald Ford aircraft carrier? or, even an "outdated" space shuttle? Or... a cell phone.

[@theconfederation]

Star Trek Fleet Command players be like: Aayyee that's my ship!!

[@briananthony4044]

Should have been Hermes class Scout, Saladin class Frigate, Miranda class Destroyer, Constitution class Exploration Cruiser.

[@harrypothead42024]

Is all this information stuff that you already had or did you have to seek it out? I'm just wondering.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Some of it I had, some of it came from the extensive research I do for all my videos, and other parts I made up to fill in the gaps ;)

[@harrypothead42024]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios well you always tell the part that is your opinion or you're hypothesizing. I do appreciate that. I was just wondering if you had this stuff being a collector or what. Thanks for getting back so quick

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Some of it I did and do, cause Ive been collecting for many decades, but I still research everything to ensure that both my memory is accurate, and that I dont miss anything that would make sense...

[@harrypothead42024]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios double-checking is a good policy, you have caught me a couple of times thinking things that I must have just missed remembered.

[@Ljordan093]

Like to see a beta canon history of the Pioneer class from Star Trek Online!

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Already Done! kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZfUk2eFotmZlck&ab_channel=TriAngulumAudioStudios

[@blindscience1701]

now if we can get these two classes in STO.

[@stevenwells157]

👍👍👍🖖

[@matthewsalazar3575]

I see a major flaw with this design. With horizontal warp core design and having no secondary hull, I find it highly unlikely that the core could fit within the impulse engineering area...it's just too small. I do like the concept and physical look...but it just doesn't seem practical due to size.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Well apparently it does, as the design exists in Beta Canon and seems to work just fine ;)

[@matthewsalazar3575]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios oh I don't doubt the ship's existence...i have that very same book in my library. I just always found the design didn't make sense from a basic layout standpoint. Nothing more. Keep up the good work.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Personally, I dont see a problem with it in the same way you do... The way I see it is, if it exists, can go to warp as it says it does, then layout must work and any problems that you might see in analyzing the design, simply dont exist at all... For me all Sci-Fi and Trek too, require huge suspension of disbelief... And for me this is no different. Starfleet Engineers simply designed the ship to be functional, the same way we do things now a days... :) And thank you so much :) I appreciate the comments :)

[@matthewsalazar3575]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios good point. The thing is how would one eject the warp core in an emergency with the impulse drive in the way. While I'm sure there is a logical explanation for it...on the surface it doesn't seem safe. But then again...im not a Starfleet Engineer *lol*

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

That ones easy... Where as in the Connie, the Core would be ejected through the bottom of the Secondary Hull, Not through the Shuttlebay, in this design, it would be ejected through the top of the Saucer Section! ;)

[@joetuktyyuktuk8635]

The deflector dish hanging out there, looks like an afterthought...

[@James-hs3tu]

ST. Should of made war ships as big or BIGGER THAN the Simatar To take on enemies like the Borg

[@thunderbird0024]

You have any idea why the name of the star ship is only on the back of the ship and not upfront?

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Im not sure what you're asking here?

[@thunderbird0024]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios sorry, on Star trek lower decks. The star ship name is only on the rear of the ship.

[@cjdavis2684]

you need to include the Larson class Destroyer which replaced the Saladin class and was a more beefed up redesign of the Saladin class. as well as the Nelson class scout which was a redesign of the Hermes class for better recognition.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Well first, Ive already done a video on the Larson Class kzbin.info/www/bejne/f6eWimmelNqHnJo&ab_channel=TriAngulumAudioStudios And Second neither of those classes were replacements for any other class!

[@zetamk266]

First

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Congrats Allen! Thank you for the support :)

[@zetamk266]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios love your work.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you :)

[@adambrown3918]

What a fantastic video! Thank you. I love those ships. On a different note; Discovery isn't canon, correct? It's its own universe. Please don't mix and match the prime-timeline with J.J.verse and Kurtzman-verse. Thank you. 😊👍

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

No, DSC IS canon! AND it takes place in the Prime Timeline since the owners of Trek say it does! And since this channel is dedicated to Canon as a non toxic environment for ALL fans of ALL Treks, this channel will continue to include ALL Trek Series. There is NO such thing as the Kurtzman-verse, and you know that. You're welcome! Any further debate on that sort of nonsense will earn you a ban from this channel! Please refer to the Channel Rules in the Channel Intro video at time code 1:03 kzbin.info/www/bejne/nGesfJx4dtmSmKc This is your ONLY warning!

[@adambrown3918]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Understood.

[@chrismayer3919]

I know for sure the Hermès class became the Anubis class 🤓

[@davidanttila9305]

Technically speaking the old style destroyer and scout. Both where not shown in The Original Series because Gene Roddenberry wanted to make the Federation space was vast and the Fleet was to small to cover it all. Okay now to the nuts and bolts of this post. The Scouts was probably mostly assigned to fleet operations related to the then cold war Romulan and Klingon empire. While the Destroyers was probably originally meant to be much like the PT Boat's from back in the day to protect docked bigger ship's that's undergoing repairs and refits. But much like the Defiant Landing gear and Captain yacht. Plus Budget reasons. They never got a chance to get made or shown.

[@StoneyBrownTV]

What about a beta on the Miranda class concept that looked like the tos enterprise? I'm sure you would come up with a killer story on that.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

The problem I have is access to 3D models... Though I now have an "in" with Space Engine, I still have to wait for the various models to be either created or added to the Program... Right now that one doesnt seem to be on the docket! But when it is, rest assured Ill make a video about it :)

[@StoneyBrownTV]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios your videos are all awesome and it'll be worth the wait.

[@larqven0192]

Much like TNGs New Orleans class, which would seem to predate the commissioning of the Galaxy class, I would argue that the Hermes and Saladin might also have been intermediary ships leading up to the commissioning of the Connies, rather than post-dating the Constitution's commissioning. What with the Einstein class (Kelvin design) already being a thing years before Kirk's birth, single nacelle designs must have been an early 23rd Century design choice. It wouldn't surprise me if the Hermes and Saladin classes were an outgrowth of the Einstein as much as they were associated with the Constitution design.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

But they werent... beta Canon is clear about that! All the designs steamed from the Constitution Class, which was the break out Class!

[@larqven0192]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Thanks!

[@kerosoldier]

think you might do some of the ship from the original starfleet command game series? like the akula, okinawa, and yamato classes?

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

The problem I have is access to 3D models... Though I now have an "in" with Space Engine, I still have to wait for the various models to be either created or added to the Program... Right now those ones dont seem to be on the docket! But when they are, rest assured Ill make a video about them :)

[@kerosoldier]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios ok

[@robertcook4215]

Are we going to get Charlie Cannon? :-D

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

No, Charlie Canon doesnt exist.. In fact there is no Charlie in the Greek Alphabet! The next would be Gamma, but that also doesnt exist!

[@robertcook4215]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios maybe... until now!

[@DoremiFasolatido1979]

These designs could be salvaged and made more sensible. If I had the time and the artistic ability, I'd give it a shot.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

They're fine just as is :P

[@robmarconi6758]

So, it's the size of the ship that determines how many nacelles a ship gets?

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Not at all, and no where do I or the video say that...

[@MrGadfly772]

Given that the construction number on these ships are lower than the Constitution class doesn't that suggest that they are earlier vessels and came BEFORE the Constitution? This is my only complaint with this video.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Sorry you are incorrect! Registry Numbers have NEVER been a valid source to determine starship age! See USS Constellation, USS Grissom etc etc

[@userRhanBell]

Gene was very clear, two warp nacelles are needed with 50 percent line of site

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Which shows just how little you know about Gene... As he himself signed off on the Single and Tripple Nacelle designs to be used in TMP as well as the Wolf 359 designs! So if its good enough, its good enough for you! Besides, it doesn't matter WHAT he says, but what is seen, thats how canon works!

[@userRhanBell]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios How little I know? Lol I stand by what I said. Who are you trying to kid. I was there while it was going on. You were not even born yet.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Again how little you know, as I WAS there, being a Trek Fan for almost 50 years now! You cam stand behind your incorrect statement all you want, doesn't change the fact that a hippocritical statement does not a rule make! Cant say " oh this 2 nacelle rule," and then approve single and triple nacelle designs lol So get your head out of backside and do some research next time so you dont embarrass yourself again! Lol cya! (THREAD CLOSED- No further comments will appear as OP doesn't know his A$$ from his elbow)

[@buccaneertop]

Should do the Loknar and Larson.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

The problem I have is access to 3D models... Though I now have an "in" with Space Engine, I still have to wait for the various models to be either created or added to the Program... Right now neither of those seem to be on the docket! But when they are, rest assured Ill make a video about them :)

[@ScaryBaldMan]

It's never made sense to me that the Federation would not have a dedicated military. The whole multi-purpose fleet organization means at least one aspect of its mission is going to suffer, and that always seemed to be military advancement.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Well the argument could be made that that's exactly what Starfleet is!

[@rigelkent8401]

I would have done star trek transport command a lesser funded division that transports material for Starfleet with Saladin destroyers and Ptolemy class among others moving material behind the lines for years it was a Ptolemy Scotty was heading to web he ended up on the enterprise D . The freedom class ship that faced the first borg cube was the long awaited replacement for the Saladin with a full fleet hospital facilities and limited firepower. Scotty had two kids his son fought in the battle for Earth during the dominion war in a fighter . And got promoted to a Miranda class .

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Well you are more than welcome to write any story you want, and create any video you want... But these videos are based in Beta Canon, which doesnt really follow that story idea... And so Ill stand behind and stick proudly with what I created ;)

[@rigelkent8401]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios totally in agreement but cannon is limited due to costs and bad writing .

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

No it isnt, that simply isnt true... Look at The Best of Both Worlds for example... In fact, a lot of times in Trek, the best episodes created are due to low budget and great writing. So again, I stand completely behind what I wrote, and the response to the video would suggest most others do too! And please, feel free to create your own channel, research, write, edit, produce etc your own videos, then see how you feel about a back seat writer, who's ideas are not exactly stellar... Take care!

[@rigelkent8401]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios think I will write my own not happy with the others

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Then do it! You don't need to announce it to me! Good luck!

[@aniablesellsell8608]

Technology must have improved in the TOS to have 1 nacellies

[@joeclerkin2653]

Really not a fan of the single nacelle design ships. They just look off compared to the normal two nacelle design. Guess I just like proper symmetry too much…

[@K.Clawbender]

I kinda like the single nacelle look but I prefer the nacelle to be a tad closer to the saucer

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

I dont mind them one bit :)

[@bostonrailfan2427]

i’m not sure that they were born from the class, to me they look like they predated the Constitution class rather than were offshoots of the design. the one true offshoot is the Miranda and similar classes…

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Not according to Beta Canon, and there is no Alpha Canon to dispute it! The Constitution Class was the Break Out Class with the others steaming from THAT class!

[@Sephiroth144]

So the Hermes was the California-Class of its day...

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Not really... LOL

[@dr.zippymcscoots8725]

Aka "The Ridiculous Class"

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Not in the slightest!

[@subraxas]

Hello, David! I do not want to be a downer, but at 1:30 you showcased the Walker-class . . . . . . I mean, are you one of those "perpetually positive" guys who still strive to somehow reconcile the varying designs from the "old" and modern Trek? Simply put, the Prime Timeline got upgraded back in 2017 and I just learnt to live with that and do not mix it with the pre-2005 stuff. (however, that does not include the stories/storylines; those are or could be congruent) I mean, just imagine... if any of the new shows will ever reach the year 2266, do you really believe that the creators will all of a sudden jump back to the old designs of ships, uniforms, aliens, gadgets, gizmos, and so on, from the 1960s? Or do you believe that the Enterprise (the so-called "Disco-prise") will get "refitted" from being some 500 to 600 metres long to 289 metres? It will just not happen and it'd not make sense in-universe anyway. P.S. - I do love the DSC designs. Speaking of ships alone, I became mildly obsessed with the "new" Klingon fleet and I already began collecting the Eaglemoss models thereof.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Canon is more about events rather then the physical looks of something... IE, we get the word canon from the Bible, and you dont see in the various illustrated versions Christians complaining that thats not what the angels looked like in the last older version of the Bible! This channel, IS dedicated to Canon, but has no problem accepting that the owners of Trek have declared that New Trek is the Prime Timeline and that as a result of Trek being made now a days, has an updated look. As to you question... I dont know what they'll do, nor do I really care as I doubt it will be a real issue, as these designs would simply look more like the DSC Enterprise, but the information would still be the same really... And you're incorrect about the Enterprises size in DSC... Screens shown in the first episode of Season 2 showed the Ents size to be the same and the TOS's size... The way I view the episodes to not make me go insane picking apart every thing that looks different from series to series, is to view them as a re-enactment, rather then actual footage of actual events. In fact this way, certain things make even more sense... Like how Kirk can make a log entry in the middle of a battle while his lips are not moving... And then visual changes are meaningless! Like Gene Roddenberry said when asked at a convention shortly after the release of TMP about why the Klingons looked so different, "Changes? What do mean Changes? There's no changes, that was simply how they always looked, just you couldnt see it before!" And if that explanation is good enough for Gene, it's good enough for you :)

[@camstech1]

My only only gripe is that your description of a scout isnt really what a scout does. A scout is designed to "scout" ahead and go "hey we found this thing somebody should check it out later"

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

In Star Trek, it's a bit different... From Memory Alpha: In starship classification, a scout ship, or simply scout, was a lightly armed, limited-role starship type. The USS Grissom and Kruge's Bird-of-Prey were also recognized as scout class vessels. (Star Trek III: The Search for Spock) From Star Trek Online: Scout Ships are a type of starship. A unique combination of Science Vessel and Raider capabilities, these vessels come with built-in Sensor Analysis. From Collins Dictionary: a person, ship, or aircraft sent out to gain information. Im pretty sure you're looking at Scout Class for Trek as though Starfleet was a military organization, which would mean like our military of today, it's role would be quite different. BUT as a peaceful exploratory organization, the definition and role change to a more generalized one which fits with the description of it's role in Beta Canon! So in other words, if you have a gripe, you need to take it up with Star Trek itself as well as the various Novel, Comics and Tech manual authors.

[@philipgalbraith6402]

The three digit hull numbers tell us that the Constitution Class came after the Saladin and Hermes classes.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Im sorry but you're incorrect... Registry numbers have NEVER been a valid source to determine age of a starship or class... See (Off the Top of my head) TOS- USS Constellation 1017, when the Class itself USS Constitution has a Reg of 1700... The USS Grissom from ST3 Reg 621, most definitely came WAY after the Constitution Class but only has a 3 digit Reg... USS Discovery Reg 1031 yet it was a brand new ship built in 2255, a decade AFTER the Constitution Class Enterprise 1701 was launched... So again, as you can see, Registry numbers are not a valid source to determine age or when a starship was launched!

[@jamesnew8170]

OK gotta stop you right there chief Both scout and destroyer class vessels were creating along side the Constitution class crushers about star date 0925 not after

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Im sorry there bud, but you're wrong... Both Canon and Beta Canon say otherwise! And now you can continue on! ;) :P

[@timbenjaminsr8946]

Both of these ship always thought they were lazy and stupid

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Well to each their own!

[@Catperson84]

Those ships are ugly. Sorry

[@glasschain4580]

Sorry folks, but these have got to be THE two ugliest classes ever to be birthed into ST lore. How lazy can you be? Even some of the hideous mash kit ships are easier to look at than these two. This is just another example of the devs/directors/creators thinking they suddenly need to develop some other ships besides the Enterprise. Cheap and lazy. That being said, however, you Sir have done a fantastic job trying to justify these half completed ships better than I would have thought possible. Bravo!

[@jgw1846]

Worst design ever. The first thing I would hit the deflector dish

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

But you could do that in ANY design... I mean if shields are up, chances are none or little damage would be done in any design... If the shields are down, then ANY direct hit would destroy the Dish with ANY hit!

[@dashfatbastard]

This is the perfect response to Disco-bashers who see heavily gingerbread designs of Discovery as somehow being more advanced than the Constitution class and its siblings. In part one of The Fifty Year Mission, it's noted that the Constitution class is a cut above because it can be routinely repaired and serviced on its mission from inside its smooth, nigh impervious duranium hull. THAT'S an advancement.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you Dash :) I try ;)

[@JeffreyPiatt]

A Saladin Class ship just appeared in Episode 1 of Brave New Worlds. It has a crew of 3 officers to operate.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Actually you are incorrect... It was the Hermes class, and requires a minimum of 3 crew members... memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Hermes_class