(113)The USS Enterprise -B, Early Design History

[@ranchoth]

An interesting theory I read online, once, as to why the _Enterprise-B_ and the _Lakota_ (seen on DS9) were the only _Excelsior_ class vessels to share the distinctive refit, and why a decades-old vessel was considered a plum assignment: that the _Lakota_ WAS the _Enterprise-B,_ having been decommissioned and mothballed for unknown reasons (Damage? Treaty obligations?) and replaced by the Ent-C (and later -D), but was pressed back into action post Wolf 359 and with the Dominion War heating up, but being obliged to take a new name as the -E was still in service.

[@dustinkosman6615]

I actually considered that theory as well. I had theorized that when the Enterprise-B was decommissioned in 2329, she would be placed in the fleet museum for the next 38 years until the Battle of wolf 359. The ship would then be removed from the fleet museum and be recommissioned as USS Lakota (NCC-42768) in the year 2368.

[@NashmanNash]

My theory has the same explanation as to why the klingons looked different from TMP onwards"They always looked like that,we just didnt have the budget"..in my head canon,nearly all excelsiors that we see from TNG onwards where of the Enterprise B design...they simply didnt have the model yet...DS9 kinda breaks that because they used the new Excelsior CG Model,but..well budget,if i am remembering correctly DS9 used Voyagers CG model,the one created for Tuvoks Flashback Episode

[@jcawthon99]

Would love to see a series covering the enterprise b & c years. Call it Star Trek the Lost Generation

[@SeansModelBuilds2017]

A friend and I did a paper RPG on those Lost Years in the early 1990s. We covered from 2295 to 2317.

[@Pierreandandre]

I agree so much with this. We have these gaps in story that we only get brief glimpses into throughout the main canon of Star Trek. Would be nice to see these properly filled in.

[@careyodonald8900]

Great video today I always felt like the Enterprise B always kinda gets overlooked. It gets stuck between Kirk's Enterprise and Picard's Enterprise and with Enterprise C having such a short history I think that there's definitely stories to tell of The Enterprise B and I would love to see those stories being told Keep up the great work!

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Me too! And she's a beauty! Thank you :)

[@stevangucu522]

8:30 Borg drone is surveilling capabilities of Starfleet... it has discovered that best time to attack is on Mondays....

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

LMAO! :) Indeed :)

[@NashmanNash]

nah..by monday some work may have been done...Wednesday might be better^^..:depending on when work starts..

[@RyogaHabiki]

I felt the Enterprise-B was a missed opportunity. So much of its service is “beta cannon”. There are some good books if you want to read them. Just wish some had become “alpha cannon”

[@NashmanNash]

I wish they used the Enterprise B/Lakota refit in DS9s later run...After all..they had to make a CG model anyway..and could´ve used the official "why did klingons change" explanation..."TNG Era excelsiors always looked like that,we just didnt have the budget/model earlier" From the In Universe Timeline,it does not make that much sense to build 2 refitted Excelsiors,which clearly seem superior to the base design...and build all others to the original plans...

[@PhilDrury]

I'm trying to remember if one of those books suggests that the B outlived the 1701 for years in service, clocking in around 44 years (with the C only four years) or if that was a fannon timeline.

[@peckins71mp]

I got to say, this is one of best videos yet, the work and details you put into these are amazing! Thank you for your hard work.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you SO much :)

[@ericmadsen7470]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Yes. You have done a fine job on these videos. Too professional for YT.

[@ZGundam64]

I thought this wouldn't be available until Tuesday. Does that know will get the joke.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Lol!

[@grimreaper6557]

The one issue i had with Generations was they actually sent a ship out that was barely space worthy she had no tractor beams no photon torpidoes no medical staff and a skeliton crew to do a rescue mission not the brightest moment in starfleets history. Thank you for this wonderful look at Enterprise B =)

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Well it was just supposed to be a quick run around the block to show off the new ship, not a full shakedown cruise... Starfleet didnt send the Ent B on the rescue mission, it popped up outta the blue...

[@BenjaminRoethig]

It's happened to Pre-Commissioning units in real life.

[@charlesn898]

@@madrabbit9007 Hell the retrofit Enterprise wasn't in much better shape. When it was sent to deal with V'ger its warp drive hadn't even been tested under power (as the artificial wormhole it created demonstrates most effectively).

[@NashmanNash]

@@charlesn898 Should´ve just called the Wormhole a "Subspace tunnel" or something..that thing didnt act like the wormholes we see later :D

[@kryptoniankaiju]

Always love seeing my favorite Enterprise. Thanks my friend. I hope to here about her voyages some day.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

You're very welcome :) And noted :)

[@ncemt]

Definitely need more Enterprise B and some Enterprise C stories.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Noted! :)

[@rayhatton7683]

When I saw this version of Enterprise. I was happy to see this ship getting it due. Even if it was a redesign of the hull this ship is truly a good looking ship. True to the name of Enterprise. She meets the problem at hand and meets it well. A legacy ship of star trek if we ever saw one. Great video and content.

[@dmzedd77]

I actually really like the Enterprise-B! The changes made over a standard Excelsior class, and the color scheme are fantastic! Your story of her was exactly what I wanted to hear, and I didn't even know it. Keep it up!

[@thomaswright7270]

in my head cannon, the refit excelsior was a test bed for scaucer separation systems.

[@BTScriviner]

When I first saw the Excelsior in "Search for Spock" I didn't care for it, but by the time "Generations" rolled around, it had become one of my favorite ship designs. Great job on the video.👍

[@botfan78]

My take: the original Excelsior design was Heavy cruisers. Variants we're explorers

[@buzzinpoa]

Thank you for the story...!! I'm a fan of the B design and I love to see and watch everything about her - canon or not...!! For this, I must say I loved the images and all the background content too...!! Thank you very very much...!!

[@Achilles483]

Fantastic video! I would definitely like to see a video on the early missions of the enterprise B! Great job.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Noted!

[@michaelmacleod6517]

It's stories like this that make me wish that the shows were more linear than what they were. We could have had full histories of Enterprises B and C instead of skipping straight to D. Job well done.

[@johnbockelie3899]

Demora Sulu, , having subspace phone calls to her father Captain Sulu of the Excelsior. And don't forget the Captain Kirk Memorial deck on deck 15. Typical things on the Enterprise B.

[@petermcguinness5281]

Never mess with the Chief engineer.... But I don't think Mr.Sulu didn't mind.

[@TrentonBennett]

I'm late to this party but a fun note...the huge ass saucer side impulse engines were originally shuttle bays according the ORIGINAL Master Systems Display. However, it was changed at the last minute to impulse engines and so Doug Drexler had to make the change to the MSD on the E-B bridge from "Shuttle bay" to "Impulse Engines".

[@thechillhacker]

Lol, are you going out of your way to mention other ships? "Her Intrepid crew..." "and more Reliant than..." haha nicely done. The dad joke is strong with this one..

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Ahhhh LOL you caught that ;) I gotta have fun sometimes you know ;)

[@thechillhacker]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios it was calling the excelsior class more reliant rather than reliable that was the tell. Bravo sir, and thanks for all the great content!

[@CommodoreFloopjack78]

Truly timeless design. Absolutely beautiful.👍

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

It really is!

[@dennisud]

I hope that a certain Helms-person named Sulu will be in one of those future stories! ;-)

[@ericzaiz8358]

Always did like the hull add ons. Its gave the Excelsior class an added... Favor. To a pretty plain design.

[@Adam_Gunia]

Finally! Someone referring to Enterprise-B as an Excelsior variant and not refit! She was built that way, not built like Excelsior and then refit.

[@DontFeedAfterMidnitePodcast]

Beautiful video man! Simply supurb!👍

[@briandillingham890]

I do love your take on starship classes and Star Trek historical events. One event I would love to see handled as if it was an actual documentary would be the development of the M5 computer and the events of the Ultimate Computer.

[@EmpyreanFrost]

As Always. Perfect video. Alot of your "Beta Canon" videos are now part of my headcanon

[@sjprdude]

May history never forget…the name…ENTERPRISE!!!!

[@dominik8005]

Thank you very much for this nice Information Video

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Most welcome :)

[@NashmanNash]

5:36...really good CG model...and it still does not show that the grill looking structure of the neck is actually...a grill..Can be seen in Generations right before the nexus bolt hits the enterprise^^..You can see the nexus and even the port nacelle through the grills :D

[@blindscience1701]

"She might not be prettiest looking lady in the fleet, but she'll most differently turn a few heads" ~John Harper USMC retire upon seeing the Big E -B

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

[@neganrex5693]

It reminds me of my fathers oversized ugly 69 Buick that did it's job will and ran for decades. I think the B stands for Buick hum drum ship yards because their is nothing sporty about it. LOL.

[@neganrex5693]

Thank you for your serves.

[@cujoedaman]

So that's where a variant of that quote came from in 'Down Periscope' :D

[@johnmogavero8156]

I wish they made a series or a couple of movies with Enterprise B

[@dustinkosman6615]

Agreed. Given her long service history, there’s plenty of moments in the Enterprise-B’s service history I feel are worth bringing to Alpha Cannon.

[@blazechicken6822]

I feel there's so much that could have been done with 1701-B since it's essentially the one NX through E that we know the least about from alpha. Tho in my own opinion I think the Excelsior design is the least appealing of ships named Enterprise I won't deny it's a ship that looks like it means business and not to be taken lightly.

[@idgamingfederation202]

may the history-books never forget the name 'Enterprise'... history-books: what we forgot one, XCV-330 you say? we damn, we'll just put a quick footnote about that, and hopefully nobody will notice

[@neganrex5693]

You make great videos and hope to see many more.

[@Greg87601]

Very good video.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you very much!

[@bjrnfrederiksson2505]

Happy New Year 2023

[@gsnad]

Man, I'm telling you, I am loving these Beta Canon videos

[@captaincharlemagne]

I am interested in how you would do the new Typhoon-class starship that came into Star Trek online

[@jhallam2011]

Good video! I’d like to see Star Trek, the lost years

[@ussvoyager8650]

I really like the Enterprise B it's a really unique looking Starship I'd love 2 C more videos about the Enterprise B

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Noted :)

[@firebirdone03]

This ship needs way more history added to it.

[@dustinkosman6615]

I couldn’t agree with you more.

[@neves5083]

*Happy noises*

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

:)

[@brightross]

Great video as always, love to hear more about the E-B ! My only beef with the ship is why the additional impulse engines?

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

To increase it's impulse capability? :) And thank you so much :)

[@brightross]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios always seemed enough impulse engine capability for me for sub light speed with the two, but love your videos, I keep on learning ! Love you TriAngulum !

[@dustinkosman6615]

I really think the Enterprise-B was underutilized on screen/in Alpha Cannon. This makes me think that they should do a new series centered around NCC-1701-B. It would be set between the events of the first part of Generations and when she was decommissioned in 2329. The only thing is though there’d have to be a title for it and a crew for the Enterprise-B. Any ideas?

[@kaidenshepard8446]

I swear down, every time I see the original Excelsior bridge (which I think looks cool and would definitely love a room with lights under the chairs for the alert status as well so I wonder if they flash at red alert for a disco effect as well) I get sort of Mass Effect Andromeda vibes as some of the displays in that game look very alike in some aspects. many systems and upgrades would be installed on this vessel, but not until Tuesday, of course. A nice relaxing beta canon video, and its nice the Enterprise B got some attention as little is known really abouts its missions under Harriman as alot of that will be beta canon as well so its always fun to have a take on the ship itself. Very enjoyable

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you so much for your dissertation ;)

[@scc-fw7gv]

I Love this ship !!-)

[@sciguyjeff]

Hate to catch a mistake already - you start out that we are going to learn about the Enterprise -B today. Don't you mean on Tuesday?

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

LOL :)

[@BenjaminRoethig]

The Enterprise-B portion of Generations happens just a couple of months after Star Trek 6. She would have been mostly complete during Khitomer with the crew selected.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Which is exactly what I said in the video! :P

[@kyleking284]

This is a really beautiful ship, it's too bad we didn't get to see what this ship is really capable of, but she is a pretty lady indeed❤🖖Thanks for another wonderful video 👍

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Youre very welcome!

[@petermcguinness5281]

Hey question.... Did Star fleet came up with some Star ship air craft carrier name the USS Elderon?

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

LOL Not as far as I know!

[@petermcguinness5281]

I swear it was supposed to be like a space carrier, never heard of it huh?

[@petermcguinness5281]

Can you make a video on the elderon

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Well since it doesnt exist in Alpha or Beta Canon, no, I cant/ wont!

[@paulspencer2542]

All Installed on Tuesday

[@markbade565]

Who else sees the enterprise D in this shot at 7:08 😁. I'm sure that was the designer's intention

[@psammiad]

I think the biggest crisis facing Starfleet was those awful uniform trousers.

[@Trevor_Schindler]

Twice in a row first! Anyways, great stuff as always Tri

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you, I appreciate all the support :)

[@78.BANDIT]

I think the EXCELSIOR is a beautiful ship. I just don't understand why they added 2 more impulse engines.

[@darkguardian1314]

Enterprise B will make a name for herself. Her motto: “Next Tuesday” 😂

[@donaldbresch431]

Great vessel. I would like to kow more about it's history until it's decommissioning. I loved your story though.

[@Pwordchernoir]

Love these. The algorithm introduced me to something wonderful. I could listen to you talk about starships all day. So I do, got through the backlog painting the hall. Or should I say, you got me through painting the hall. Thanks man, keep them coming.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Glad you enjoy the channel, and I will do my best! :) Thank you for the support :)

[@steveb1972]

The designer of the Enterprise B for the movie only added the bulges to the lower hull as something for the Energy Ribbon to hit!

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thats correct, but that doesnt make it any less canon!

[@theamused8705]

I never liked the alterations they did to the Excelsior class for the 1701-B. Those modifications completely messed up hee clean lines.

[@Pokemc0831]

This video should have come out on a Tuesday. It would have been funny

[@Trevor_Schindler]

First.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Today, you most definitely are!

[@darrensmith6999]

I often wondered what became of Capt. Harriman ? Not one of the shining lights of Star Fleet i bet Haha. Nice one thank you (:

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Actually the reverse ;) And Thank you :)

[@Charlessthill]

I like the fan canon. The enterprise b went missing on its last mission. well after the dominion war it was found out that the enterprise b was actually the first starship to encounter dominion and its crew was murdered by the dominion has a warning for Starfleet to stay away.

[@beast1624]

👍👍

[@stevenwells157]

👍🖖

[@nx1379]

Sorry but did you quote a wrong length? Isnt the B 511meters?🤔

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

No, I quoted the correct length!

[@daviddyster4145]

We should have gotten a tv show around the Enterprise B, it would have be glorious.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

I dont know if Id agree with that, but what I would have liked to see is more episodes of some series that dealt with both the Enterprise B and C... I still wish for an anthology series for Star Trek, so that each season could be a different ship and story!

[@daviddyster4145]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios I agree with you there, sir. You should see my cast for a prequel set between Star Trek the motion picture and the wrath of Khan.

[@USSVoyager5]

Maximun Speed of the Enterprise B is Warp 9.7

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

No it's not, you are incorrect!

[@lukecollinson4327]

I love your videos but a large portion of the beginnings is often recycled. Would you be able to put a time stamp in the description for regulars to jump to the meaty bits please. Love your work champ 🙏

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you, I dont put timestamps because I feel if I put all this work in to these videos the least people can do is put up with the 30 seconds intro!

[@jaymilo8425]

I can't tell if it's a robot reading this or if the guy needs to use commas

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

LOL really? LOL Maybe you should ask my almost 50000 Followers, you're the ONLY person to ever make this type of comment LOL Well you can't please everyone as they say! So must just be a you thing :P

[@bennyfisher9157]

I wonder why this is one of the only Starfleet starships that features blue bussard collectors.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Different Tech, Different Colors :)

[@bennyfisher9157]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios So if the prime timeline ships used blue bussard collectors very briefly before going back to red do you think the Kelvin timeline ships might do the same?

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

I dont know, I wouldn't even speculate

[@bennyfisher9157]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios I'd actually like to ask you this: Do you prefer the Kelvin Enterprise with blue bussard collectors or fiery orange bussard collectors as seen in concept art?

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

It's not a question of preference for me, as it simply isnt that important. Had the ship been born with Red Ones I would have been just as happy as with the Blue ones!

[@WGL]

I'll always argue that the Excelsior transwarp was not a failure but an unqualified success leading to the redefining of the warp scale and that later iterations of it are what we see going forward on the Enterprise D voyager defiant and really any federation ship that came after oh you say but it failed that one time well sure it failed the best engineer in fleet history sabotaged it and I'm sure later on went on to make it better than ever especially since he new where changes needed to be made to prevent that from happening again

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Yeahhhhh no, it was a failure! Far too much evidence shows that is was! IE It's not called Transwarp in TNG, Transwarp is used to refer to speeds obtained by races like the Borg. Also, the project was to create a Transwarp Drive, not to rewrite the warp scale, so again, it was a complete failure, and it's time you except that!! :P

[@allengilby3054]

I sure do love these vids. Totally unrelated statememt: Netflix only has TNG and DS9 now, suffice to say ive seen a ton of TNG. I have to say the more I watch, the more I am disliking the character Jordie La Forge.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Wha?! Why?

[@allengilby3054]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios um the Eva Brahams episode, he did a bit of creepy stuff and got indignant when she called him out. The episode when he is on the holodeck with a female shipmate that wants to leave, his reaction was lets say, childish? Dont get me wrong Levar B is amazing.

[@kerosoldier]

Another good video. Loved the lore and the narrative. Just a tiny nitpick. The Nexus wasnt the anomaly the enterprise encountered, the ribbon was. The nexus was something akin to heaven or something and the ribbon was the doorway to it according to Guinan. But...that's just me throwing my two cents to you.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you, but you're splitting hairs here :P

[@anthonylowder6687]

Not a bad video but you could have included her service history, yes we know about her launch history but what about the rest of her history until the day she was decommisioned?

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Well you cant please everyone I guess... But with a title like Early Design History, Im not sure what you expected... And apparently everyone else loves it... So theres that too :P

[@diogocatalano9557]

Interesting design but her secundary hull doesn´t make any sense. The lower hangar deck design is so absurd.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Why?

[@diogocatalano9557]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios ILM took some spare parts from a Star Destroyer to complete the Excelsior model. Take a better look on it. nyway, ILM never cared about sci fi or Star Trek.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Im sorry but I disagree 100% ILM took great care with the designs and making the models. Just because you dont like something doesnt make it "Not make any sense." I see the sense, especially since I have analyzed hundreds of designs for this channel alone, but you are of course entitled to your own personal opinion! Take care!

[@diogocatalano9557]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Well., it is my opinion. They are great about models and special effects, that´s all. Another example of absurdity is the huge and pointless starbase. She is beautiful but not practical or logical. That´s Star Wars stuff.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

And you're welcome to that personal opinion! That being said however, blaming ILM for something that Leonard Nimoy wanted for his movie, and approved, is a bit silly. I think Nimoy would know pretty well what is and isnt Star Trek... It certainly seems your own bias is getting in the way here... Anyhow, Take care, keep Trekkin'

[@traviswebb7585]

I love your content, but you don't have to give the history of every Enterprise previous in every video. It gets old.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

No one else is complaining, so its probably just a you thing!

[@traviswebb7585]

Tom Cruise. War of the Worlds. Lol.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

I dont get it? What I do get is that you have a personal opinion, but that opinion doesnt match the majority or even anyone else ever on this channel... In fact its part of what Im always praised on!

[@traviswebb7585]

It's your show and you shoud do it as you see fit. I won't bore you with the reference.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

As I will! :) Thanks for stoping by!

[@petermcguinness5281]

Never really like the B... Just saying. But I think the E an F are great 👍

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Well to each their own :)

[@jimb8601]

I have always been meh on the Excelsior class. I like the changes they made to dress it up except for the additional impulse engines. They look out of place and ruin the aesthetic in my eyes.

[@davidhiggins797]

Just a hideous ship compared to the other classes. Imo

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

To each their own, everyone else seems to like it :)