Show and Tell: Daedalus-Class from Pacific 201

[@richardajoy79]

If the original Daedalus ever landed, I'd think it would certainly be head-first in the dirt. Your Daedalus looks great.

[@richardched6085]

Richard Joy if any ST ship landed it would tip over. I love both versions. I consider the Pacific 201 version as a subclass that stayed in service for a few more years than the original Daedalus.

[@Nichodo]

Richard Ched if the NX and Intrepid classes from Star trek Enterprise lands I think they would be okay because they DON'T have Secondary Hulls. Of course Voyager was able to land with no problems tipping over

[@ccf_1004]

LANDING STRUTS!

[@SamyH_amSet]

Do you know what he uses to make these models?

[@Ty-yt3lj]

I mean it could land in water Works for the Kelvin Enterprise

[@Talondas]

Worked in submarines for years so this my give some help into some design aspects. Spherical hulls are stronger because gas wants to form a bubble. Either straining a cylindrical hull as it goes deeper or trying to contain the stresses in a cylinder in a vacuum. Deep diving submarines use "pill" construction where you have smaller, more spherical, inner hulls encased in an outer hull. Think corrugated buildings materials. The spherical primary hull would require less structural reinforcement to maintain integrity, and therefore would be cheaper to build with fewer inherent weaknesses. Just throwing that out there.

[@Talondas]

The rectangular engineering section would need to be reinforced for extra protection so shape would not matter. Though putting the most vulnerable part of your ship "between it's shoulder blades" instead of at it's core would bring up a few question in my opinion.

[@Talondas]

Good video though, thanks for putting the effort into making it. Keep up the good work.

[@francisdavis1271]

I'm sorry but spherical shapes are not "stronger because gas form a bubble". Submarine structure implodes due to a stability failure; there are dynamic modes to a cylinder (just as there are compressive loading of columns). The sphere (as in a bathyscaphe) has a singular mode - and isn't "perfectly" made. None of this applies to the load on a spacecraft that is attempting to "explode" from internal pressure. That's the trivial load during warp function. Yes, it's not a three dimensional load. You're taking space and shifting it from negative to positive. For any structure to survive it would to be near the neutral point of the gradient.

[@amberyooper]

I think this is the best rendering of the Daedalus class star ship that I've seen. I've looked at the original type design that ended up not being used in TOS, and I always thought the "neck" was too small and in the wrong place. This fixes that problem, and then some. I find this ship aesthetically pleasing, and better reflects early space exploration ships than the "saucer" ships, in my opinion. I relate this design back to "2001, A Space Odessy" as a natural progression from a non warp design to a warp design.

[@vonshroom2068]

Non-Artifical-Gravity would be more apt in this considering as to why "2001, A Space Odessy" had a spherical dome to begin with.

[@Asytra]

I'm absolutely amazed by all the work that you've put into these models. I particularly love the realism, there's a whole 2001: A Space Odyssey vibe to them. Best of luck to you on your Pacific project!

[@TheCGJeff]

I think your design is a brilliant reworking of the original design. I'd love to see more reworked ships based on your design style. Like the TOS/NASA feel just sells it to me. Plus, massive respect to you for not being afraid of doing something different, and making it work really well. Great work, my friend

[@cpowell7623]

I always hated the Daedalus Class. Your design, though, is damn good. I love everything about it.

[@AstroK32]

C Powell same I wish they made a better looking ship to name Daedalus

[@jamesberry3230]

would look better with smooth surface no bumps to cause problems (think stealth ) Bridge should be buried in center of hull as well as the warp core

[@cloverfield911]

I love your re-design. Looks really cool

[@commodorerook3797]

Well done sir! You have finally made the daedalus-class look great! Perfection!

[@jhs6413]

Best looking Daedalus version I've seen.

[@mikemartin8408]

I love Jeffries Daedalus concept. I built my own model of it years ago. Your take on it is Excellent

[@paulbeaney4901]

3:30 it makes sense that initial starfleet ships would have a smaller bridge. Its early days, and they don't really have room for extravagant spaces.

[@JEDAI501ST]

I thought I liked the daedalus class before, but you make it look practical and better.

[@kyletimmons421]

I'm a Daedalus fanboy. I can't wait for Pacific 201. But when that project is over, since the new fan film rules limit how much you can do in one story, would it be legal/possible for you to do a future film centered around this gorgeous ship? :)

[@ECHenry]

I do have some other Star Trek fanfilm ideas, and I think I'll at LEAST do videos "pitching" them as ideas, because I'd love to share the concepts, but I think after Pacific 201, I'll be moving onto original science fiction.

[@RetroBerner]

Man, I was hoping the same, your Daedalus is literally my favorite Trek ship.

[@SamyH_amSet]

@@ECHenry what do you use to make these models?

[@MegaduceFlare]

Just lowering the primary hull to be more in line with the secondary & adding another 'neck' improves the look of the class immensely. Before it looked like it had the same problem as the Nebulon B - if you sneezed hard enough in the ships general direction, it'd snap in two.

[@kennethk.3816]

This honestly looks better then the original design and I'd be honored to call this ship home. I like the more closer to what we could have feel. These designs seem more possible.

[@smithwriter69]

What a beautiful update to the Daedalus! All that extra detail, the shifting of the forward hull-- she does look great from nearly every angle. Great work!

[@ronwoodward9834]

This is a good looking star ship . I agree with you 100 % it is a better over all ship. Great work btw

[@themattyg]

These ships are absolutely incredible. As a hobby 3D/plastic modeller, the little details and thought put into the entire design aesthetic is just amazing. If the fan film never came out I would still watch these overview videos. Just mesmerizing. Would you ever consider releasing the 3D models for the purposes of 3D printing?

[@NotAlrightSpider]

This is so good. Super believable looking too. To me, it looks like it fits right into the lineage, while still retaining its originality in design. You are good dude.

[@robertryan3571]

Your designs blow me away; they're so well thought out.

[@michaelsasylum]

Great work on this. The modifications made sense and worked very well aesthetically too, I like the quasi-industrial look of the Pacific 201 style ships.

[@norman7566]

What a great looking redesign! I love this!

[@Bajicoy]

Very cool, this is a refreshing federation ship design. Something that revolutionized my perspective for ship design was building ships in games like space engineers, being able to walk around and have a feel for every room and letting that design my ship from the inside out

[@n.bronze4377]

Just found your film journey. I can't wait to see it.

[@ti994apc]

I love this version of Daedalus class. I wish there was a series with this ship.

[@TheBigMan2798]

Im really loving watching how much time and effort you put into your models! Really great job!

[@recurvestickerdragon]

I really really dig your designs and models. Your practical approach gives fantastic results

[@basacis]

Moving the ball down and giving it a secondary gangway was the right move.

[@jeanwesleynew]

I love the look of the sphere/cylinder combo. It just makes sense from a materials pov. Those shapes maximize volume/strength with the least amount of materials. They also look more low tech and "present day".

[@TexasCat99]

Your model work is so well done. It is amazing that they didn't talk to you to work on Discovery. Yeah, I'm gonna go there. For "older tech" that pre-dated TOS, the Discovery, and Shinzeu (sp?) look newer in some ways than TOS. Your designs look more functional. More alive. More real. The Pacific itself is just beautiful. For forward to future models you make.

[@DrewLSsix]

Lost Aquarian There’s no basis for that claim. Hand picking just a few parallels is not enough to accuse someone of plagiarism, there are fewer similarities between the game and the relevant elements of DSC than there are between any two works in any given sub genre of fiction. This accusation is the same as saying any story involving vampires is a direct ripoff of any older story involving vampires.

[@sojourner.]

@@DrewLSsix There *is* a basis for the claim. That's why there's an ongoing lawsuit between the 'Tardigrades' game developer and CBS. One that CBS is currently *losing.* They're stalling and postponing as much as they can, but they are. Read the court documents.

[@bigwhitehound]

I love this ship. I can see huge ways this can be used and improved.

[@Pulprat]

Congratulations! That is the 1st sensibly built star trek design I've seen. I love the fact that the deflector Shield is on the very front. It never made sense that it came from the secondary hull on the Enterprise. And since this era of Star Trek would be more shuttlecraft oriented as opposed to transporters, the secondary hull makes sense as a hanger/cargo area. As this area of the ship would be the most prone to having accidents happen, It makes sense that it is separated from the main hull. And of course I totally love the 2001 discovery vibe. Fantastic job.

[@davidvondoom2853]

I like the impulse engines on the warp pylons. It reminds me of Voyager. :) And good call on making the ship look more balanced and sturdy. In one Star Trek book series, the Daedalus-class is used during the Romulan war and looks simplistic because they were mass produced for combat and not made to look pretty. Purely functional ships. For the nacelles, you could always have the protective panels, over the buzzard collectors, retractable, while in use. And when the collectors are not in use, they could detract back and protect the equipment. Just an idea.

[@scotthuska8070]

VERY cool looking. LOVE to the Daedalus class. I always liked the spherical primary hull look better than the saucer shaped primary hull. This ship looks like it really means business viewed from the bow on. It looks more "muscular" viewed bow on to me.

[@Calvin.of.Martin.Street]

As a Starfleet ship junkie, I don't usually like "reimaginings" of established designs. But I have to say this is a terrific improvement on the look.

[@enterprise-h312]

1:30 Well, not just that. It also suggests that there was technological refinement between the Daedalus and the Constitution. 10:10 From what I understand the “line of sight” rule was made by Matt Jefferies because it was surmised that space-bending technology would emit hazardous radiation (see Captain Pike) and so you wanted to keep those nacelles as far away removed from the crew as possible. The 29th century Starfleet has clearly solved that problem, but the 22nd century clearly hasn’t. 11:11 I personally prefer the idea that pre-Federation the UESPA started with the Mann-class (with massive heat-sinks attached to its nacelles), which would evolve into the Daedalus-class and then finally the Constitution-class. That way you have more of a lineage.

[@bsharpmajorscale]

There was a later medical-type class that seems to have taken heavy inspiration from the Daedalus.

[@junkyardzombie13]

I don't know how I missed this video, everything you put out is top notch.

[@stcredzero]

Your revised Daedalus makes me think of a Klingon D7, turned upside down and with the "hat" removed. This is a good thing, since it fits TOS pattern of Klingon ships being inversions of Federation ships. The fact that the Apollo 13 CO2 scrubbers were redundant was a good thing. It was the lack of parts commonality which could've killed the crew. BTW, I really like your Daedalus.

[@terminalillness1542]

I would totally want to pay for a model, even a 3D printed miniature, of any of the ships from this project. Now THAT would be a cool model to keep on my desk or fumble around with. The Daedalus Class has always been one of my favorite designs, and this redesign, I think, just looks great.

[@davidlamacchia970]

your an absolute beast, I'm currently looking at all your designs this is the third one and its all gold, you need to be the new quality control for all things trek, keep up the good work

[@KlingonCaptain]

I love this design, but full disclosure, the classic Daedalus is in my top five all-time favorite Starfleet ships. Personally I find the classic version more balanced because I prefer the nacelles to be center mass. Ironically, this new version looks like it will topple forward because of how high the nacelles are. Anytime I see a starship I automatically imagine balancing it vertically by the bussards. I know there is no valid reason for that, but it's just the way I think.

[@c4blew]

I feel the same! This configuration almost looks a little romulan to me, with the balance point of the sphere below that main support tube. I like it but I personally think it should be a seperate ship class that exists along the Daedalus class...

[@KlingonCaptain]

Yes, the double struts are very Romulan.

[@WillyPete13]

@@KlingonCaptain Gee, the Federation fights a war against the Romulans, and maybe adopts some of their design elements in a testbed ship, to see if it works better than what they were doing with the NX class. It didn't so they went back. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me...

[@KlingonCaptain]

@@WillyPete13 That makes sense.

[@MandoMTL]

@@WillyPete13 Logically the first thing engineers would do upon receiving new intel.

[@MonkeyJedi99]

Your Deadalus brings to mind the Discovery from 2001: A Space Odyssey. Very cool.

[@Bonzulac]

I agree with you about the aesthetic of the Daedalus class - it works because it's not trying to be sexy. It's the anti-Enterprise-E. It's always looked great to me, and this is the best version of it I've seen. Bravo.

[@lentan5475]

Is that ship the warp drive version of the Discovery in 2001: A space Odyssey?

[@mr.h4646]

I love this design!

[@davemcbeardface8976]

The aesthetics of the ships are absolutely beautiful. More realistic (to me anyway) then any starship post Phoenix. I would love to see more ships like this

[@purteatin]

This ship is really awesome looking. I like the awkward one too.

[@ghostviggen]

Love the design, it should have it own show.

[@marcosargen3729]

This design is actually very good. I like the realism.

[@miamijules2149]

Damn, I didn’t think it was possible to make this ship look decent… YOU ACTUALLY DID IT!!

[@JeghedderThomas]

Brilliantly designed. A small yet practically looking ship, I'd love to see this in action, so to speak, in a TV series sort of way. Small and cramped but charmingly clunky.

[@sickbrain]

looks really nice. I always presumed that Daedalus class being used as medical ship. Ship design can't be mistaken with any other Starfleet vessel so it serves like a clear designation. Similar to medical navy ships that are all white with red Cross.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

Basically, I saw it as a science/scout ship, sometimes frigate like, that was quick to build. Almost like the later Oberth-class.

[@Wildgraywolf1]

I really like your interpretation of the Daedalus Class. Nicely done.

[@chriscone1117]

Love your thinking on bussard collectors. Heard you mention it once on Trekyards as well and I clapped. I've never been a huge fan of bussard collectors on starfleet ships in general, just because it's impossible to imagine these little things actually collecting enough interstellar gas (avg of 1 hydrogen atom per cubic cm) to be useful (okay maybe they actually reach out far & wide with an EM field or something), but visually the ones from TNG-on look especially like "we need a big red glowy thing that looks 'futuristic' because it is big and red and glowy." I loved it when it went away on the Constitution Refit.

[@jhutchnik]

I like the torpedo bays where they are. It kind of pays homage to the Franz Joseph designs where the torpedo launchers were in the superstructure just beneath the bridge as well. You are a master of design!

[@destinycaptain247]

Love the in universe thinking behind everything.

[@clangerbasher]

Best one yet. Deflector array for the win. And just not awkward.

[@deadzedcomics]

I see the discovery one in that neck! It's beutiful, seriously I love your version of this ship

[@SpiritWolf1966]

I enjoy all of EC Henry videos

[@TheThumper1972]

Memory serves, the class was different because the NX class was so expensive. So they went a different approach and cheaper. So they could mass produce during the war. We had no idea how many ships the Romulans had, so we were cranking this out as fast as possible.

[@cjc363636]

This is just beautiful. Great design! I hope the next big Hollywood space navy story has a diverse fleet represented: Navies have old, new, big, little, etc. During Kirk's TOS days, we should've seen a few Daedalus type ships around, either littoral duties, or smaller fleet's space warships. Same with the Constitution during TNG times. But Hollywood budgets sometimes don't allow for lots of variety. Your design helps fill in the missing history of this classic pre-Kirk design.

[@lorddaro7771]

I never liked the aesthetics of the deadalus and could never understnad what people saw in that ship. However, your interpretation looks so much better.

[@CoryTheRaven]

Lord Daro the Okuda Daedalus very nicely reflects a ship that is, aesthetically, older than the original Enterprise NCC-1701. It looks older, more primitive, and NASAesque, which is cool, while still showing a natural progression towards the Constitution class.

[@Melody_Raventress]

I like this it feels like a grounded technology from sometime both in a possible future, and in transition to star trek.

[@ExiledPiasa]

how's the production of the show going? can't wait to see it.

[@dr.zippymcscoots8725]

Functional can still look cool. From a physics stand point this design works better than the original. This looks cool. Looks like a good multirole/science ship. As a physicist I give it high marks.

[@GeeZeRFroG]

This is not a criticism. The front section is clearly the Death Star.

[@xheralt]

I was thinking more along the lines of "open the pod bay doors, HAL..."

[@GeeZeRFroG]

Gary C. oooooo good pull

[@richardcollingsworth2138]

Gee- how old are you? Matt Jeffries designs go back to 1963-64, before SW, before 2001.

[@GeeZeRFroG]

Richard Collingsworth I was more making a joke about the look then I was pointing out who came up with the design first. I am well aware that there are lots of designs that look like the Death Star that predate the Death Star.

[@richardcollingsworth2138]

I can't impart inflection, like I can with voice, it wasn't a snark, I was just imparting a bit of history because many out there don't own earlier publications.

[@tmseh]

Really well done. Keep 'em coming.

[@RobAlfieri]

I love this update. Well done! 🖖

[@athomheart]

Happy to see other production footage from the movie. I am guessing this movie is progressing well.

[@lowhyde2693]

this is excellent! like you said, totally saves the design!

[@v-doc5230]

This is an awesome design. I really like the "real" feeling, with the equipment visible and based on realistic designs. Concerning the torpedoes: well it is totally clear why they are not near the equator. The deflector would interfere with the targeting system... :P

[@arcticshark1808]

I could imagine a saucer section and neck connected to that hull it's honestly my favorite part

[@gregolder1713]

According to the Romulan War novels, the Daedalus class was one of the primary serving vessels in the war, being cheaper and quicker to produce than the NX vessels. Sort of like comparing the NX as a high end Italian sports car while the Daedalus was a Ford pickup. They also got destroyed in large numbers as well though they were likely the most common capital ship Starfleet had at the end of the War and were carried over into post War exploration period which is why they ended up leaving behind problems for future ships in places like Iotia.

[@NotAlrightSpider]

Greg Older What is the name of those novels? I gotta read em.

[@gregolder1713]

@@NotAlrightSpider I've only read the one so far titled "Beneath the Raptor's Wing" which is the middle novel by Michael A. Martin where, during the course of the war, Star Fleet decides to step up production of the Daedalus over the NX. I've been told that the middle novel is the best of the three, with the first being the most inconsistent with the TV canon and lack of polish. There is another novel in the Enterprise books (which I have not read) called "Daedelus" by Dave Stern which covers the story of the first of the class though I know nothing of the book beyond that or how well written it is.

[@Nidhoggrr]

I love that the original design literally looks like a disco ball impaled on a straw and stuck into a bottle. Your designs are much better.

[@richardkohlhof]

Your design is so impressive! I guess you're probably right about the torpedo tubes, otherwise, super=duper!

[@jeffhallam2004]

Amazing ship!!!

[@jessicapaige9442]

IMO this is the best version of the Daedalus Class I've seen, and has basically replaced the "official" version in my mind. You turned the stupidest-looking starfleet ship into something really plausible and awesome looking!

[@lvl10cooking]

The Intrepid class and her derivatives have the main impulse engines powered directly by the warp core but have backup fusion reactors. They also don't have to rely on the subspace coils in the engine to reverse thrust as they have forward facing exhaust. Odds are if a Star Fleet vessel has impulse on the pylons, it is tapping the warp plasma for primary propulsion.

[@garlandremingtoniii4679]

“Scotty, we need warp speed in 30 seconds or we’re all dead!!” “I’m sorry Capt! but the MATTER ANTI-MATTER has done split the WARP-CORE Down the middle!!”

[@gabrieldarcy9067]

I think if I were to live on any starfleet ship, it'd be the Daedalus class. Something about living in a sphere just seems so cozy and homely.

[@dpledford1]

The cylindrical shapes always give me that Skylab, feel.

[@SpectrumDubstep1]

Personally I think that given the Daedalus class was made during the romulan war, and it's super simple and compact design. I feel it was starfleet's (at the time United earth) attempt at getting a lot of ships out quickly. But I could definitely see them being used to test ships systems after the war.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

Or before it, per some lore, yes.

[@billtreadwell4751]

Great take on the Daedalus class.

[@rigleighfeild]

The classic daedalus evokes the concept of a higher class that lives and works forward, as far away from the engine as possible for their safety, while steerage is expendable. This modified one makes me think of a crew that works forward and sleeps aft. The entire ship is needed, so it has easy access from fore to aft for work parties to move through.

[@alexxbaudwhyn7572]

Pitch perfect Daedalus interpretation Hits all the right pre Tos, post nx01 notes. One comment re impulse fusion reactors. Per the Tng tech manual, antimatter can be made by the fusion reactors (in additionto stored reserves), with the Bussards collecting deuterium matter as they go. So eliminating the impulse fusion reactors makes you 100% dependent on periodic refueling to top up antimatter

[@batuarganda728]

Its great. And it serves its purpose well, as a sphere is more durable than a saucer, at the minimal cost of ships shadow when battling. Its weakpoints are also reinforced. Overall i like it, as its simple, having the nice borg touch while still looking classic Great work, keep it up :D

[@stevenkuski5916]

great ship! your work is superb as always.

[@kellenwong1321]

The idea of a Federation version of the Discovery One from 2001: A Space Odyssey is just so cool to me.

[@858Markus]

It has a nice feel of connecting fiction with reality. Keep up the good work.

[@SuperPract]

I've always liked the look of the Daedalus class.

[@ThyBlackWings]

This video was a pleasure to watch, sir. Awesome work. One subscriber more. I hope one day ships like this will be build.

[@joelawry1064]

3:03 Damn that bridge looks beautiful.

[@kennethk.3816]

Joe Lawry I just feel like saying "second star to the right and straight on till morning".

[@DrewLSsix]

what do you think about tos era ships apparently using the warp engines even for sub light travel? a couple times the dialogue has them traveling at fractional warp speeds and they seem to treat the engines on the saucer as backups more than always on engines.

[@CaptainForsyth]

is your NX class next? also are there other earth ships going to be in the film.

[@Robert-qv6jq]

Nice work. I like this design as it solves the problems I had with the original rejected design. I've never lived the orange or red engine caps of the Star Trek universe. So you're shielded intakes work for me.

[@Robert-qv6jq]

"Liked".

[@happy18yu]

I have to say this Daedalus class is very nice .

[@90lancaster]

I do wonder if the best place for the Deflector (assuming the sphere base isn't used for shuttles) is in the lower third of the Sphere - as then you get to keep all of the equator of the sphere for living quarters putting the deflector in the dead space seems like a good place to put it to me. But another idea that might be interesting is to not give it one dish but 3 smaller ones (similar to the NX-01 dish but a bit more rectangular ) 3 in a row just below the waistband area - is an idea too. Perhaps even mount them of a swivel so one can pivot to each side - for heavy lifting - the middle one would be the main com-antenna and the other two could double as heavy tractor/presser emitters. I don't mind the different sizes of the parts though - it even makes sense as it's implied that there is more than one size of Deadlus like ship in existence in the pre-tos timeframe (assuming they have not been written out of existence now completely) They have to exist in some form as the USS Horizon still existed.

[@Warped9]

Fascinating! Well done!

[@Sanderford]

I think this is what a "Flight II" of this class would look like, more or less. Certainly they would lower the sphere section down like that, and probably add that second connecting segment also. The equipment hatches externally on the hull remind me of the Lt. Leary universe, where ship crews keep parts and tools which don't need specific atmospheric conditions in stowage lockers mounted in the hull, immediately accessible to EVA work details. That always made sense to me, and it makes sense here also. I don't care how futuristic your space ship is, you WILL routinely have to send work crew out to do things in vacuum on the hull, and it makes sense they not have to haul everything in and out of the airlocks all of the time.

[@BON3SMcCOY]

I'd love to see this much love for the Olympic