Triforce Bonus! #2 - Best War

[@mikethered12]

I can't believe the Emu war wasn't included.

[@harrystuart7455]

right?!

[@leinad248]

I know!!

[@iplaylol25]

I'm so glad Sips wasn't away for this episode. He has an encyclopaedic knowledge of the wars + years they occured. This man has the mind of a steel vice!

[@CriticoolHit]

As long as he never forgets the infamous bath plug story that's all we really need.

[@rich_in_paradise]

sipsWikis

[@theacer3aper]

Man of many knowledge

[@gd1247]

As pyrion noted, take any and all reported casualty numbers with a truck of salt when it comes to ancient wars

[@Tofuey]

Yea but in terms of the chinese wars they were talking about, these were fairly recent and well documented in comparison to "Ancient wars" which took place 1-2 thousand years before and generally were told through stories and word of mouth through generations.

[@Blisterdude123]

Wars in China's history did often actually result in the atronomical casualties reported when compared to Western civilisation purely because China has always had an enormously disposable population.

[@kurukblackflame]

Ancient scholars definitely exagerate, but modern scholars also have a tendency to undersell this stuff too. I recently heard one of them saying a couple of hundred men would have been seen as a large army in ancient times, which is clearly bullshit.

[@gd1247]

​@@kurukblackflame Maybe, but it'd really depend on the context whether that's underselling or not. As an ancient historian myself, it's important to note that the monicker 'ancient history' is a gross oversimlification in its own right. It can, depending on where arbitrary lines are drawn, span some 5000 years. Over an insane timespan like that, and given the immense differences between regions, it's virtually impossible to generalize about. For instance, while 1000 men wouldn't have been a lot for a massive empire like Rome's, Greek Poleis, which depending on the period were very autonomous, were far from as able to field armies of massive size. Athens had for much of its history only about 100-300.000 or so inhabitants. They'd logically have been able to field an army of some few tens of thousands. And this was one of the largest of all the Poleis. A smaller Polis had maybe 10.000 inhabitants. Take from that 5.000 men, drop all the elderly, infirm and those too young, and suddenly a few hundred men doesn't seem as crazy. The same goes for, say, Germanic warbands, which would likely have consisted of some 500-2000 men. Armies of tens of thousands were the exception and not the rule for much of ancient history. In short, context is absolutely key.

[@Torcalie]

​@@Tofuey 😊

[@mostlyharmless7154]

No Lewis, Japan wasn’t out of its isolationist period in 1590, it hadn’t even started

[@jasong.451]

Wow, Sips must have had so many wiki's open!

[@Chicanery_Artifice]

12:07 onwards with the "sticks" shenanigans is soo funny.

[@tomdemongod]

come to hastings fr, im eastbourne but i've been to the field the battle of hastings happened in.

[@HighConCannibal]

"was a danish war" *danish ears prick up* "danish, who cares!" aw :(

[@RedSntDK]

To be fair, we've had a lot of bullshit wars in Denmark, in particular between Denmark and Sweden.

[@Wyattporter]

I guess these bonus episodes are the 2022 Triforce Awards

[@_e8a]

best minecraft block, best war... next one has got to be best 90s grunge / gangster rap artist

[@OctaneIsNot6ft]

I would love to hear their favourite World War One and Two battles/conflicts. This episode was brilliant

[@jacksonross5941]

It's genuinely hilarious how many things Lewis gets confidently wrong

[@pokinacha]

‘I wasn’t told about Chinese wars in school because historians are racist’. No Lewis, you’re English and your history comes from Europe you ignorant Lebanese child

[@jacksonross5941]

@@pokinacha actually he was cookin with that one

[@pokinacha]

@@jacksonross5941I think my fav things is all the European conquerors are super bad but Suliman and other non European conquerors aren’t that bad. I mean the mayans and Incans are well known for slavery, human sacrifice and other nasty shit. But that’s what we come to expect and enjoy about Lewis and his cute ignorance

[@jacksonross5941]

@@pokinacha what are you talking about

[@zacharyenglish2904]

@@pokinacha the Ottoman Empire is European, and honestly the fact that you don’t know that is the racist equivalent of pantsing yourself

[@TheZaius]

The Spanish-American War shouldn't have been glossed over like that. It lead to Cuba's War of Independence and really kicked off Cuba's rocky relationship with the US, which is still prevalent today. The war was also a precursor to the Philippine-American War.

[@Tofuey]

As someone who spent a lot of time taking history classes for my teaching major (and generally really love history), it's certainly very frustrating listening to some of this, lol. I always love the podcast, though.

[@TheGreyBaron]

Wouldn't mind once every month or two a focused episode like this. Don't force it though.

[@Texicus_Reddicus]

the trojan war was probably real, but with a ton of added bullshit to spice the story up

[@LynxLord1991]

We know that Troy existed and had wars with Greek people and was destroyed before the Hellenistic period so the greek thought it as a mythic time as it was before they wrote things down. We dont know for sure if the pre greek people actually killed troy or if another people or event did it. Its very unlikely that events went down like the story even without the mythical elements

[@BriznaBurr]

Now this… THIS IS WHAT WE LOVE. WARRRRRR5S FUCKINNN WAWRRSSS WAHHHHAYYY

[@Imwritingthisnotefrombeyondthe]

For the Three Kingdoms weapons, the "gun" is bad translation, it means "spear". "Gun" is just the modern word that happen to also be the same character as the old "spear".

[@lorddamocles2222]

Lewis' 'I don't know about the war of the Three Kingdoms therefore racism'; my dudes, the Dynasty Warriors series got like 13 games...

[@Sandwich_eater72]

love these bonuses, reminds me of the old team double dragon archive episodes

[@speedemon81]

The Franco-Prussian war was kinda important considering it's where modernish Germany really started

[@highvoltage7797]

And key element in the cause of WW1. Though WW1 had many a cause 👀😅

[@AquaAtia]

1:10:53 the German peasants had a good run

[@Rayman-ie3ld]

Kinda fitting how they mentioned the Korean war and then promptly forgot to rank it

[@Rayman-ie3ld]

Also want to add, I love how pyrian framed the American Civil War, he has a better understanding than some Americans I've met

[@holfwaley3973]

The Troy War is real! Damnit! There is an ancient city named Troy that WAS destroyed by greeks- who knows about the horse, but there is a city named Troy where they have dug up greek weaponry etc indicating it was destroyed by early Greek villages.

[@Openeyees]

These bonuses are the best!

[@thebestcdub3041]

Thank god for Sips' list

[@kurukblackflame]

Three men who have spent most of their lives learning about video games rather than history. Zero research or preparation. They talk about history with great confidence and authority and decide which is 'The best war'. Let's go! :P

[@mcmoozack]

Lovin' these bonus episodes while I try to catch up on the rest of the podcast.

[@jamesgazeley]

How does that work

[@eonnephilim852]

@@jamesgazeley he listens to them, the old ones and the new ones, at the same time

[@_e8a]

i have enjoyed these triforce bonuses. particularly being free from the triforce number, thats now well into the hundreds, a 1 & 2 is a breath of fresh air. id love a superficial triforce rebrand for the new year. maybe a new name, new visual, new numbers, same old geezers. bookend the masterpiece

[@PotentiallyAndy]

Only 3 months behind you guys now, catching up

[@Exemus]

All this talk about how the war of the three kingdoms would make a great game, but no mention of Total War: Three Kingdoms lol

[@cthatcher11482]

No Peloponnesian War? Or Sengoku period wars? Also you're telling me Lewis has never heard of The Romance of the Three Kingdoms story or all of them haven't heard of Dynasty Warrior games?

[@Eiko286]

Will this be as good as the last bonus episode. :) Edit: Excellent!!!! Thoroughly enjoyed.

[@TheButterShowThatsMe]

Legitimately the best triforce ever

[@adamdonaldson8867]

Not mentioning 1812 is suprising

[@thatguy6919]

Let me just say that nearly everything Lewis says is inaccurate. Carthage was not destroyed in the first punic war. Rome did not make demands of Carthage until they won the first Punic war. The provocation for the first Punic war was Rome supporting an uprising in Sicily in the backdrop of two vying regional powers, Carthage being the more dominant established mercantile and naval based power. To say any one side provoked the war is to ignore the historical backdrop. And hes only been talking for about a minute on it. Ironically the only thing they got right was the part they doubted, Carthage almost conquered Rome

[@SillyPillow]

This time I was smart enough to look at the comments before listening. Seems like this one isn't bad. Thank god! That minecraft block episode was just......................

[@NoNaame04]

I loved this so damn much

[@RoyalHemlock]

This is much better than the Minecraft block episode, more of this please but of course we’d still love episodes about your lives.

[@jack45597]

This was a great bonus episode keep it up! Top lads!

[@cassu6]

Shame they didn’t know that much about preindustrial wars, but it is what it is

[@JamieAubrey]

So when was this recorded ? 2/3 years ago lol

[@Wyattporter]

January last year

[@josephpotts2712]

We need these boys to play heart of iron and rust again, that would be great.

[@divamon5602]

WOOOO!

[@BlueFox99]

Can you do best tv shows/films next?

[@angryspartan1947]

One of my favorite episodes so far but goddamn lewis can be painful to listen to at points lmao

[@andreprice5996]

YES!

[@BrunoJuncklaus]

welp

[@gnarwhale]

Hell yeah

[@ShadyPNW]

Best xcom2 alien

[@MrEaking]

Greece V Persia for me

[@icecold5707]

Do the serial killer episode! Double dare

[@Bird0fPrey]

British lack of knowledge on American civil war confirmed

[@LynxLord1991]

So the Viking conquest of England does not count either. The crusades weren't racist it was religious and wealth. Muslims lived there under Christians and vice versa if it was racist they would had eradicate every single person of colour they did not, the ruled they and had them as part of kingdom. When you dont know anything about a subject you really shouldn't throw the racism card

[@captainmccuckin2698]

Pyrion is so oblivious to history

[@EzekielHateable]

Great Video as Always. I vote the Russo-Japanese War 1904-1905 because Russia got whooped so badly. They invaded but lost their own land. lol

[@Crispybread__]

First

[@stepstv4466]

You are absolutely misinformed and misinforming about the Civil War. Banning slavery was added as a war goal during the war, even Lincoln was against banning slavery when it all started. The american civil war was fought about governmental authoritys not human rights, even though that was a positive by-product in the end. Watch the 12 part PBS Civil War documentary its on YT

[@ohy3ah97]

No it was 100% about slavery. The southern states succeeded because Lincoln was against the western territories becoming slaves states. Whether it was from a purely humanitarian standpoint or not is definitely debatable, but there is no way to spin it that doesn't lead back to slavery in some way.

[@stepstv4466]

@@ohy3ah97 Sorry but you are wrong. That might be what history teachers tell you but take a look at kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZ3WloSio9BmiJo timestamp 1:10:20h if you can even see the link

[@Luckragol]

lewis has smoked too much of jazz-tobacco and has become racially aware. he sees peoples in colours now, so sad. :(

[@ctulhuone]

Even if this was recorded before February 2022 it's still in bad taste to post it now

[@jacksonross5941]

No it's not. There were wars going on before the one in Ukraine and there will be ones that happen after it's over. Ukraine is not the center of the universe.

[@Stank1048]

Why?

[@ctulhuone]

@@Stank1048 where have you been last year

[@Stank1048]

@@ctulhuone Buddy theres always a war happening somewhere. There's literally never been a period in recorded history where someone wasn't at war with someone else. To not release an episode discussing wars just because 2 countries are currently at war with each other is just silly

[@ctulhuone]

@@Stank1048 i'm from russia

[@mullisb430]

It’s becoming sooo hard to listen to Lewis. Like I’m all for including the factor of race in history, but Jesus..