Trigun Guns - Vash The Stampede's revolver

[@DwarfDaddy]

It’s funny you mention that cause I remember an episode where the gun DID break and he had to go find a specific gunsmith to fix it.

[@citter96]

And another thing is that in the new version it seems like the gun uses a smaller caliber

[@SeanHiruki]

@@citter96 it isn’t even the same gun

[@gokudo-cf5pt]

Not to mention diffrent left arm too

[@redvelvet5374]

They gave him a new gun that fires 22.

[@finalfantasyVII2]

In the original Trigun the gun didn't break he just wanted it tuned up cuz it was firing a to the right/left. And I believe the rounds were a type of .45 or .454. Would have to double check.

[@Excalibur01]

In the 90s anime we can see .45 LC written on the side of the gun, which is a classic cowboy caliber. The NEW anime however decided to make his revolver an 8 shot .22LR gun. We can see the cylinder very clearly in a shot and the bullets draw are clearly the shape of .22LR. Very weird choice.

[@Knight-Bishop]

Well... If you think about what he believes in, and what he actually uses the gun for, it's not THAT weird.

[@soksocks]

The new Trigun, from what I found is that they're basing it off the 1995 manga. Which meant the Trigun previously wasn't on track of its source in some way. Reason why it's now a .22 instead of .45, but I can be wrong on this point

[@Knight-Bishop]

@@soksocks Oh of course not. Knives doesn't have his own version of it in the manga, iirc. They wanted it to be a bigger classic cowboy round in part for the cool factor and western nerds. The .45 LC doesn't make as much sense for Vash though; someone who is a trick shooter that would do anything to avoid actually killing someone. Lol

[@soksocks]

@@Knight-Bishop yeah iirc, Vash is like a "pacifist" so using a .22 does make a bit more sense since he doesn't kill or avoids killing generally. But I do agree on why they chose .45 instead for the cool factor if anything. Though overall, he's not really killing, so looking at it now, it's kind of a waste but it's still cool regardless

[@Excalibur01]

@@soksocks you do realize you can still kill someone with a .22

[@skitariiranger4346]

To be fair, Vash is very anti killing, so him using low powered rounds makes sense

[@KurNorock]

Stop saying things as if you know what you are talking about because you don't. A "low powered" 45LC is still going to be absolutely lethal. There is no way it couldn't be without being so under powered that the bullets would literally just get stuck in the barrel. Think of it this way. A "low powered" 45LC is pretty much the same as a 45ACP. Now tell me that a 45ACP is somehow not lethal.

[@Purpleturtlehurtler]

​@@KurNorock Vash is just cool like that. Chooses to hit non-lethal parts.

[@skitariiranger4346]

@@KurNorock sir, have you considered *sci-fi fuckery* and if not then what about *anime fuckery* and even if that's not satisfactory what about *sci-fi anime fuckery*

[@anubispup4760]

@@KurNorock Can you like, find a better hill to die on? Nobody here cares about your reasoning, we just love the anime and the character.

[@JarlAsbjorn]

​@@skitariiranger4346 that fuckary you're talking is what we have to put up with in the new anime with his .22LR doing things that wouldn't even be possible with a .22LR but would be possible with the .45LC

[@nicholasmcmahan-watson9405]

He wouldn't want his bullets to be "more effective." He specifically avoids killing his opponent. He wants non-lethal.

[@ambushbob5383]

First there is no such thing as a non lethal round even rubber bullets have killed and there have been deaths by blanks so get that out of you head. A loaded gun should be treated as 100% lethal. With that said like vash if your goal is shoot an object not people with intent to destroy or disable you most certainly want to have a "more effective" round.

[@GabrielusPrime]

​@@ambushbob5383 Some are *less* lethal if you hit specific body parts, which he's good enough to do... Note I said "less lethal", not "non-lethal", he can still kill, which he even does before going into a guilt-induced slump in one episode...

[@ambushbob5383]

@@GabrielusPrime right but my point is that calling any round a non-lethal is a category error as there is no such thing as a non-lethal round when it comes to the common understanding of guns. If anything your less lethals are going to be your rubbers and bean bags. A .22 can kill you the same as a .357 as there is no such thing as a safe place to get shot. My other point is pretty much if your goal is to shoot a missile coming at you are you going to bet your life on a .22?

[@GabrielusPrime]

@@ambushbob5383 To your first point, I'd say that's true with real people, but Vash has what TV Tropes call "Improbable Aiming Powers", so shooting someone without killing them is possibly more likely for him... As for the second, good point.

[@nicholasmcmahan-watson9405]

@@ambushbob5383 I know that, but the video was saying that the problem with the design of the bullets that would work in the gun would be that it is "less effective," And this was was my first thought.

[@michadabrowski3120]

It makes sense for Vash not to use more powerful rounds since he's not using his gun to shoot people. I haven't seen Stampede I heard people saying he's using a .22 in that one.

[@soksocks]

Yeah in this rendition of Trigun, he uses .22 cause it fits his character more since he mainly disarms people than killing. Iirc the author wanted to make his heroes, like Vash, different from other "normal" heroes who do kill in other series that's action oriented Edit: I just want to point out just in case. I know .22 can kill people, but being that Vash is more "pacifist" when dealing with opponents. .22 overall fits better than .45, though that was the original

[@MaEligosAkane]

Yeah in the new one he uses a .22 specifically a .22 short which is a underpowered version of the .22lr which makes sense since his goal is to preserve human life

[@stalwartteakettlepotato9879]

He is shooting a lot of people and this being anime thoes people are often giant or cyborgs or both. He just isn't killing any of them.

[@howplaythisgame4488]

@@soksocks if you shoot someone with a .22 in a non-lethal way they are more than likely going to charge at you any way, and even if we ignore that, he destroys a rock with a .22, THAT ROCK WOULD FUCKING DEFLECT THAT BULLET LONG BEFORE IT EVER BLEW INTO TINY ASS PIECES LIKE THAT

[@weebjeez]

​​@@howplaythisgame4488 yeah.... He uses one (fucking ONE) .22 caliber bullet to take out a salvo of missiles. I think we can ignore realism as it pertains to gunplay.

[@CrowXIII]

The 45 he used before made sense in the way that it's probably the most common round, but a 22 makes sense in the way that he doesn't want to kill people

[@chillypepperjr]

In the newest iteration vash's gun is a 22, top break is fine for that, og is 45 long colt i think? You can and im sure Vash would load those pretty light

[@baconghoti]

It was also fine for .454 Webley.

[@GremlinSciences]

Heck, top-break is fine with modern .357 magnum and .44 magnum loads. The point of failure for top=break revolvers is usually the cylinder which then busts the frame, much the same as we see on other revolver designs.

[@knifedance2402]

Top break revolvers can absolutely handle modern rounds. Anderson Wheeler is working on a model which can handle .357 and .44 magnum, and there have been Uberti S&W repro top breaks capable of handling modern .44-40 and .45 Colt for years. They definitely have to be more overbuilt than a solid-frame revolver to achieve similar strength, but especially with modern metallurgy, there’s no reason at all for the top-break design to be thought of as weak or incapable.

[@commentsection-chan]

My favorite is the mp412 Rex

[@onelongwordable]

"there's no reason at all for the top-break model to be thought of as weak or in capable" Five seconds earlier "They definitely have to be overbuilt" ...because otherwise they would be weak or incapable. Being extra heavy/more expensive/costing more material is a downside

[@Knight-Bishop]

Well, his original fires .45 LC, so it wouldn't be much of a stretch anyway. And three of the main characters are a lot stronger than they look anyway, so.

[@probablynotdad6553]

​@@onelongwordable you right, HKs are bad because they're over built and expensive.

[@philTSFW]

As a left handed Person i'm so happy to hear this

[@maniacmagge2568]

what about Vash's new gun in the Reboot that just released? it uses .22 rounds and maybe made so chunky to both have the alien tech in them, be an improvised blub, and have little to no recoil

[@jaythus3181]

.22 lr has practically no recoil and the original was .45 long colt, which was originally a black powder round. Both rounds would be possible to use in a vintage break action revolver, so long as the .45 lc wasn't loaded with smokeless powder to modern specs.

[@clone4211]

Funny enough I was just contemplating why a top break revolver in 44 magnum would be impractical last night. Interestingly I believe that Stampede's revolver actually represent the ideal top break revolver configuration. With the barrel being located on the bottom of the cylinder closer towards the hinge pin, this shorter moment arm creates less torque on the hinge which means less tension and stress on the latch mechanism compared to a Scofield or Webley revolver. Provided the hinge pin is strong enough so as to not shear in half, the top break latch mechanism is significantly under stressed compared to the top frame of a conventional revolver. Therefore the fragility of a top break latch mechanism is offset by the lower stresses that a lower barrel placement provides. Hell, just look at break action rifles, they handle some pretty hot cartridges just fine.

[@Knight-Bishop]

I believe his original revolver fires .45 Long Colt, so the pressure might be more feasible for a conventional revolver, too. That said, it's scifi; the top of the gun contains an interdimensional energy conduit that causes the gun to merge with him and become a charged particle/focused energy weapon that can put a visible crater on one of the moons from the surface of Gunsmoke... In the anime his brother originally built it with materials from a crashed colony ship, including parts of its reactors. And it somehow survives this process both ways. So we've got some "magic space metal" going on here.

[@DarkhalfBreed]

I mean we got a .357 top break to work reliably, unfortunately it died in an unfortunate market due to its country of origin in a trade embargo with the country that would have jumped on it.

[@FordMustangCaliforniaSpecial]

I’ve seen the same argument before, but he used 45 long colt with modern loads, and the gun, made of modern day materials is strong enough to hold it, now they changed it to be beefier and fire only 22, which is weird, but it seems like it fires something close to 22 hornet

[@soksocks]

I think it's standard .22 cause his character is not actively killing, he's avoiding to kill if anything. I think "pacifist" is his main trait which does backup on why

[@pyrobob5724]

It should be mentioned that his gun houses a small interdimensional being capable of generating enough energy to destroy entire towns or blow a crater in the moon large enough to be seen with the naked eye, so...the force from .45 LC is probably the least of his worries

[@memesfromdeepspace1075]

That not his guns that his power

[@nyetloki]

That's his arm.

[@pyrobob5724]

@MEMES FROM DEEP SPACE his gun, as well as knives' gun, both made by knives, have miniature "plants" inside them. The angel arm attack is a combination of their powers (as Plants themselves) and the miniature Plants inside their guns. I get that that aspect might not be super clear in the anime tho.

[@ericwhite3526]

@@pyrobob5724 yea in the anime it was more like a curse knives left with vash as vash didn't have control of the pistols transformation of his arm also it didn't quite explain why he lost his arm and one of knives cohorts decided to graft vash's lost arm in place of his own

[@ericwhite3526]

@@pyrobob5724 at first look it seemed like a power channeling device with low efficiency that knives was disappointed with but went oh well its the best i can do. Definitely not a simple situation almost thinking vash had his arm removed to try to keep knives from forcing him to trigger angle arms system why have vash do it well it eats away at their life force to use it partly why he can heal power plants is he is able to share life force with them as well as visit with them and cheer them up

[@Andernol]

Although a bottom-cylinder-firing top-break revolver would likely be able to use a larger load than a top-cylinder top-break. Granted it wouldn't be able to use that much larger of a round, but the moment of inertia would be far more lateral than rotational. Meaning you need to worry about shearing force on the bottom pin more than the top part breaking open. Modern materials and design would also likely be able to provide a much more sturdy frame.

[@Userunkown52]

Wheeler MK vii

[@_loud_cloud_]

Actually the top break problem has been fixed for smokeless cartridges the way it can be fixed is having the gun sit with 2 heavier pins allowing it to last a 20k rounds theoretically before it would need repairs. Another thing you missed is the break top mechanism is based on the model 3 .45 LC Schofield which was built for the abuse of black powder so using something like 17-7 stainless steel for the internal components would allow for a move into smokeless powder, the mechanism on the .45agl arm is also uses a Webley lever action opening system which would allow the gun to use a heavy 2 pin latch system, the guns frame and ejector system are also based on the S&W model 3 .45 LC Schofield. The other thing to mention is that the firing mechanism of the gun would be more chiappa in design because of the double action mechanism is what the gun uses, meaning the trigger weight would be close to about 3.5lbs to pull a single shot. The Mateba unica 6 which is the closest to the .45 agl arm in appearance only, the mateba is a gas firing semi-auto system revolver and wouldn't work on it sadly as it would have too high a failure rate with a break top mechanism, and one last thing is if the .45 agl arm were to be made irl you would need to add a square top lug of metal and that would be close to 5.5 or 6 lbs of weight on a 6.5in to 7in barrel meaning it'd be a monster in weight on all ends. Overall the bigger problems on the .45 agl arm is a close to 4lb trigger weight and the over all weight being an actual a ton for a hand gun nearly double the weight of a desert eagle chambered in .50 AE which is considered a one of the heaviest pistols in production. Overall this was a great short im a huge fan please don't take this as anything more than an gun designer whose spent too much of the free time in his life working to bring the most beautiful revolver in all of anime into existence

[@fobo3361]

Im sure someone could think up of a design for a top break revolver that has a much stronger mechanism holding it together then just a pin, just would probably take alotta research and wouldn't be exactly worth all the trouble cuz we already got a system for revolvers that works, but regardless in a future setting (that i think trigun takes place in) im sure someone made something better

[@jaythus3181]

Your stereotypical revolvers usually have locking mechanisms behind and in front of the cylinder as well as a lock to keep the cylinder from rotating, but what is probably the main issue with the design is the fact that you have to have a frame top that separates from the rest of the frame making a potential weak spot which can't hold up to as much pressure as a frame that doesn't have that design flaw, since you'd likely just need to change out the front lock for a lock on the top. Im sure you could make one robust enough to fire even .500 magnum, but it would take so much engineering to design and would likely be so heavy it would be impractical, and if you scale that down you'd likely have to get a revolver as heavy as a .500 magnum to handle modern .45 lc or .44 magnum levels of power unless if they're able to use some space age material to make it stronger than steel, but then you're looking at a higher price tag on what would already be a higher cost design. Just because you could doesn't mean you should, since it would likely not sell as good as the revolvers currently around.

[@DarkhalfBreed]

@@jaythus3181 I think the MP Rex would have sold well for a few years in the US if it could have made its way over here. I think if a higher Calibur top break did come out, and it was a good gun, it would get a burst of popularity for the novelty, then peter out but do well enough to stay in production like the DP-12. Probably not be anyone's first pick aside from a small group, but it could have a niche place in the market

[@jaythus3181]

@@DarkhalfBreed yeah it would if it could work safely, the issue is how you have to basically chop the frame in half and have it on a hinge with a locking mechanism that makes it weaker than your typical revolver. I could see one in .38 special or .45 colt reduced loads only working, but not many companies would pour money into something inferior

[@DarkhalfBreed]

@@jaythus3181 the MP Rex showed it can work for .357 tho

[@hansdavis7335]

Let's just say Chisato (from lycoris recoil) is a descendant of Vash. Same "No killing" principle and a very good close quarters combatant, also can dodge bullets or take it's trajectory as an advantage.

[@Riser_KserY7]

They're both blond haired red clothes protagonist that are incredible gunslingers but doesnt like killing people.

[@barrickfischer]

From how I see his gun, it's a modified and combined version of silver serpent & raging bull, while naming it longcolt

[@deadsweetheart1]

455 was produced with cordite and 38s&w was produced smokeless There actually have been one offs of webleys reproduced in 45 acp ( I’m not talking about the shave cylinder webleys that occasionally blow up but at shot show a company made a purpose built one in 45 acp. ). In the 1800s there was also the bland pryse which fired 577 snider and that was a top break

[@TwisNinja]

vashs gun was a .45 long colt not .45 acp 2023 reboot its a .22 lr the moment he yelled for one in the first episode for his iconic pistol i canceld my hulu

[@MrMarrok657]

the Closest we got was in the 80’s. the “Detonic break action revolver” would have had the capability to fire .357, 41 magnum, 45 colt and 44 magnum even. the design weighed 53 ounces, heavy but needed for the recoil as you stated. sadly it never made it to production as no one really wanted one then.

[@cloneclone5341]

YESS! more Trigun please, there are lots of wacky weapond in this series. Wolfwood, Raidei, Livio, Millie, etc

[@drewswitzer7574]

The reason we transitioned away from top break revolvers is not because of the "weak" lower hinge pin's inability to withstand modern cartridges, but instead because the top latches had a tendency to stretch and wear. That would eventually lead to all sorts of problems ranging from light primer strikes to spontaneous, unauthorized disassembly. While the problem was exacerbated by the increasing power of smokeless powders, the problem could have been solved, if there was a reason to. Plenty of high power top breaks were made, but it was realized that a simpler and more effective way to reduce the reload time of a hand gun was to do away with cylinders entirely and switch to magazine fed autoloaders. There was no impetus to fix the stretching/wear problem because the end goal, reloading more quickly, was better served by other, cheaper, more reliable and robust mechanisms.

[@samuraiminfune9213]

The also other downside of vashs revolver is the auto ejecting mechanism for his gun isn't feasible without a ton of work around. The rod that is used for the webley and Schofield are hinged at the part that bends. And his barrel is in the way of that mechanism

[@SoldierofKreig]

I have a Schofield clone in 44 mag.... They can absolutely handle the recoil

[@ZeroSuitSamo]

From what I understand, top brake revolvers in modern calibers is totally doable now, it's just that there isn't really a need for it, so no one makes one. Not to mention it would almost certainly more expensive.

[@dannyeckerd9324]

Honestly I'm quite certain that with a bit of modern engineering you could build a sturdier pin, hinge, and latch, they might be bulkier but I still think the design could be capable of firing modern rounds

[@roundaboutcitizen]

modern rebuilds of the schofield revolver can be altered to fire full house 45acp loads from moon clips fairly easily. As long as you arent intending to fire magnum caliber loads and instead want a mid-caliber firearm you can stand to shoot for longer periods and faster, his choice isnt unreasonable.

[@StruggleGaming]

If you see the new remake anime he uses .22 which I thought was comically small a caliber.

[@NonApplicable1983]

I think making the hinge much thicker and sturdier, like the Webley did to some extent, would go a long way towards fixing the foibles of the top-break design.

[@0Asterite0]

Webleys still go out of time more easily than a single frame design.

[@NonApplicable1983]

@@0Asterite0 Yeah, that's true, but the design concept of making the hinge stronger is still a good direction to go in. Maybe tighter tolerances in the hinge would help with timing failures?

[@infamousjustice7083]

I think with advancements in metallurgy and the increased material in the pistol, so long as the joints and locking mechanism are beefed up, it’s reasonable.

[@Yarkoonian]

In the new animation they released, which looks sick btw, they had it be .22 lmao

[@lucasq.rodrigues]

the thing is, it wouldn't work because it hits the round at the top but the hole for the bullet to go is on the bottom of the gun

[@nemesisnidhoggr1468]

top break revolvers just looks cool, that's why they shown so much in anime. There is anime called "Arifureta". Where MC also uses top break revolver. But i find that more acceptable. Because MC lost his arm and was shooting with only one arm. Having top break revolver meant he could break it, put under his armpit and load with one arm.

[@thomasdunton5727]

The biggest thing is we're talking about a apocalyptic world which is probably running low on a lot of different powder so they probably put in a lot less powder in the rounds

[@quintessenceoflife7870]

I would say it would work due to the material being likely a better metal then we have since it was made from wreckage from futuristic space craft. Plus idk if this is true or not but i'd imagine since it's a lower cylinder firing revolver it's put less strain on what would be holding the break open action intact.

[@GremlinSciences]

It doesn't really need better materials. We have top-break revolvers in powerful modern loads. MP412 REX is one such example, top-break revolver chambered in .357 magnum and designed in the 1993.

[@davidwooden3878]

Hell yeah! I love Trigun

[@TikkaQrow]

i'm kinda surprised break action hasn't come back. modern metallurgy and meta materials can compensate for those former weaknesses I think.

[@sedric42]

The argument could be made, that using a Rhino oreunica style barrel possession, I eat firing from the lower chamber instead of the upper , would drastically change the rotational energy And thus could make a top break revolver of such a style possible. It's something I am very interested in, and as a gunsmith, something I intend on testing

[@ArthurLocatelli]

And here I was thinking the part that would make it unviable was it fusing with your arm and becoming as powerful as a nuke.

[@SnekkyB0i]

Maybe back in the 90s yes. However with current day materials, break action revolvers are not only possible but real. Look at the Russian 412, a .357 magnum that breaks open just like a Webley or Schofield

[@robrib2682]

its a setting that has sci fi metals from spaceships that crashed into the desert. I think they might have just melted down some super metal to make the pin and stress points. Granted this would make the gun expensive... but I feel that makes sense because no one else has one that we see.

[@Ruffington_Roast]

Forgetting the part where his gun is a literal extension of his body

[@dimondlord11]

One thing to take into account is futuristic metallurgy we don't know how strong their metal is

[@nathanielcowan3971]

I love a top-break. Don't own any, but they just look gorgeous

[@tristanspahr6164]

"Little pin can't handle the recoil of modern rounds." I'd love to see what backs this up. I really suspect a structural analysis was not performed at all for such a definitive statement.

[@xXSPADEGG]

Modern steels an manufacturing methods could surely circumvent past issue.

[@cyber_archangel573]

@MarcusVance While it is true that top break action revolvers are generally weaker because of the small pin holding the two halves of the frame together. You have to also account for the fact that because we switched to flip-to-side style frames to deal with the power of smokeless powder rounds and found them to be very effective at it. We never actually bothered to go back and redesign the break action style of revolver frame to handle the stronger loads. The simplest method of this would be to increase the diameter of the pin and the section of the frame that the pin is housed in.

[@Rustyer266]

With modern metallurgy its completely possible to make a 44mag top break. It would be extremely expensive around 2500-3000 dollars. though its an anime with alien tech and space magic so I wouldn't really overthink caliber choice.

[@bandage-wasting-machine533]

I was literally looking up if you did a video about vash 3 days ago, the universe has heard my call

[@johnokland1652]

I mean from a technical standpoint you could do things to distribute and tone down the recoil of the gun so it put less pressure on the lock combination with a stronger locking mechanism you might be able to have a break action revolvers in a decently meaty caliber that doesn't turn into a hand grenade in your palm at least in theory but it would be expensive have tons of moving parts that can wear get dirty or malfunction and it will just never be 100% that that lock won't just malfunction on you

[@XxSoraMifunexX]

Well, that falw can just be handwaved with: "futuristic super metal"

[@chowrites6179]

The big thing here is the pin,so unless the pin is made from futuristic metal, which almost all of their tech is better than ours, I'd say the pin is fine.

[@Soleanna_CCG]

He also mainly used rubber or spring bullets and at one point the gun did break and he had to go to a specific gun smith to fix it.

[@crispedurchin6186]

with modern steels we could use a top breaking action, it would not be cheap but it would work

[@animereverie4380]

I don’t know what round Vash uses in the manga or the original series, but in the new trigun: stampede series it’s a .22 calibre. Probably to tie in with his distaste for killing.

[@smokedbeefandcheese4144]

45 long colt is possible to be held in a top brake mechanism. Ubirty Makes a top brake 45

[@likwidmocean]

The Humanoid Typhoon!

[@cielopachirisu929]

Vash’s revolver is .22LR, a top break can handle that chamber pressure easily

[@tatsuhirosatou5513]

With modern metal top breaks can easily handle 357mag and firing from the bottom chamber with change the angle of recoil and make it stronger.

[@798Muchoman]

The barrel firing from the lower portion of the gun would mitigate much of the stress on the pin, potentially making it work as a top-break revolver. Far less force would be torquing that pin.

[@Jrez]

So if we got some stronger materials, theoretically future revolvers could be top break and still handle big ol' magnum rounds.

[@chrisanderson5974]

Don't forget it's also a (I'm guessing) a nanomachine transforming beam weapon that can merge into his body...

[@jaded_dreiko4225]

I always figured that vash's revolver was a like a 500 magnum. the gun itself is the same size and the rounds he loads in look like 500s to me.

[@edgy__noodle713]

I always thought the hammer was too high on that revolver

[@flyboymike111357]

A top break .357 was made. Just didn't make it to market because it was a niche and obsolete weapon at time if invention.

[@dominicsevere8285]

I do have a fair suspicion that firing from the bottom cylinder could decrease the amount of force on the latch. but... you just move it to the hinge. So, who knows, but I'm definitely going to toy with the idea more.

[@parchedpigeon9950]

Now, I’m not much of a gun girl myself, but in the new show it reveals that he uses 22 caliber

[@czarofscience8079]

It's also made out of space-ship metal with the soul of a forsaken child sealed inside...

[@wongsapatt4841]

I mean, Vash built different

[@MegaDoom101]

He holds his pistol like a fancy person holds a teacup haha

[@turtlehuntii9980]

Please remember that they were on a colonist mission to found other planets and we're not on Earth. The order that they were mining to make the metal that made his gun may not have been the same not to mention they were spacefaring by that point

[@thetruecroc8683]

I would love a Vash gun.

[@PuReWiReZ]

Well it also had a fusion reactor in it.

[@Ulysses-xl4pv]

Keep in mind he’s in a wasteland where most people have junk weapons or whatever they can scavenge or build. We see AKs throughout the series and of course some other weapons. But to put it simply, Vash’s weapon is about simplicity. He could have chosen a better weapon, but revolvers are easier to maintain when compared to automatics. Less moving parts, plus if the pin breaks well all Vash has to do is find one or jury rig one. He’s being hunted so his choice of Simple to maintain yet effective is something he has to do. Plus Vash almost never has enough ammo for it. Like he will always without fail not have enough ammo.

[@0Asterite0]

Lmao revolvers have more moving parts than something like a glock, and when a revolver malfunctions it needs a gunsmith to fix. Seriously the inside of a revolver looks like a big watch.

[@moshpitmachine]

They can handle up to 45lc generally. 45lc being the defscto "cowboy round" these days. I have seen one in 500 s&w but it wasn't a production revolver and it was Reinforced to hell. Essentially the guy wanted to make a hell boy revolver and was a gun Smith lol

[@Isaac-hm6ih]

So it sounds like the answer to the question is yes, but the answer to whether it would be good is more complicated.

[@tr165eaglebsa4]

You need to look at the gun. The information that you've given is all a top shot information on break action. But yet vash gun is a bottom firing gun, so put more pressure on the pin closer to the bottom than the top, plus the barrel is so heavy it helps with the recoil.

[@1Scimetar]

However, the recent remake of the anime specified that Vash's signature pistols fire a .22LR round, so they're designed around possibly the weakest commonly used modern round.

[@finalfantasyVII2]

I mean it works for how this guy described top break revolvers, cuz .22 ain't gonna break that pin so easily. But the feats that Vash normally does would require something with a bit more power in it. I'm pretty sure ya can't break a rock that is as big as your head into tiny pieces using one .22 round.

[@IsaruSoulance]

In the origional series his gun was listed as 45.long colt which is a heavy round with lower pressure compared to the .357 which I a lighter round with a LOT of pressure and even with it's over built frame that 45 LC would be pushing pressure limits of the break action function

[@MyAramil]

I'd also argue that material science might have created or discovered techniques or materials to withstand the higher forces by the time the anime comes along. Look at modern day electronics. If you showed a modern day laptop, it would be more powerful than computers even 20 years ago. As well as thiner. If you took modern day firearms as well and brought them to a civil war gunsmith they would be amazed at even simple fire mechanisms for handguns at how it works.

[@Dominik189]

Funny enough with modern materials and manufacturing. We could probably make a break action capable of withstanding round up to and including .357 Magnum. Bigger calibers than it might be an issue, but everything up to it and it is fairly doable. But the break action holds no advantage over a swing out cylinder.

[@almosteducational3729]

You say it couldn’t handle the power but the original webleys were hand cannons

[@samfivedot]

I don't think Vash's gun is especially powerful, he just has extremely good aim

[@grzexd]

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[@ARVash]

The bottom fitting puts less leverage on the top break and instead moves the load to the thicker rotating hinge.

[@Nathual]

Am I the only one that remembers that guns isn't a revolver... but a nano-tech weapon that transforms into a Beam Cannon? Though I like where they are going in the new version. Knives is using his nano-tech weapon to making lots of knives..

[@actually_a_circle]

I think your underestimating modern metallurgy. In the past the metal couldn't handle smokeless powder, and we haven't tried it since. Who knows it might work.

[@mathewmontavon9079]

Now... Uberti put out a replica Scofield revolver chambered in both .44 mag and .45LC... Neither was a weak cartridge. Actually, I'm pretty sure it was originally chambered in .45 Colt, and that's what Vash's revolver was chambered in. Now, I would not compare their durability to a Super Blackhawk, but they definitely do the job.

[@Sirceepy]

For anxiety personality, her design was.... Pretty cute?, seeing her as new character i probably know where this story goes, but i hope the impact of the story can bring it's feel

[@TortugaAW]

Anime weapons: "Cool, but why would I use a 10 feet sword or a three barrel revolver?" WH40K: "This gun is a offense to the Genebra Convention, but who cares about that? 50 cal explosive ammo for you!"

[@Raksha-64]

At least is more realistic than Caine's comically long sniper rifle

[@ReaperD23]

I know this is old and you probably wont see it, but the Unica 6 can be chambered in 454 Casull and that's an open frame. so wouldn't the hinge be the structural weak point instead of the latch?

[@austinc9153]

Just use a stronger metal for the build to compensate for the power increase of the rounds. Titanium would be fantastic.

[@Name-ot3xw]

Since this is super sci-fi land, maybe they just put in a slightly larger pin of a slightly tougher material?

[@williambargas5919]

The original 45lc was 45th version of Lucille his 22lr the reason hen never used other people's bullets no one used a 22

[@cptcondor2363]

in trigun stampede he uses .22 calibur the weakest possible round u can get so the answer is yes it's realistic. just don't try chambering it to anything higher

[@cookie69420]

I wonder if the chappa barrel style would help reduce the stress on the locking mechanism

[@sbrunscheon]

But top break revolvers are just so gorgeous! Talk about the S&W Model 3/Schofield sometime and it's advantages over the classic peacemaker!

[@themanofthemilk1369]

Could you talk about pilots from Titanfall next?

[@KingBobBobBob]

Well in the OG it was a decent caliber in the retelling it's a gorram .22

[@Phos9]

The hammer being lined up with the wrong chamber.