Trimmed Masterwork or Vestments of Havoc: Pros & Cons w/ Raksha & Vindicta VoD comparisons - RS3

[@RheyoRS]

The question all melee players have: Are the new Vestments of Havoc a worthwhile upgrade for melee? The answer depends on your interests! In this video, I go over my perspectives on both armor sets, the good & the bad, so that you have information to make an educated decision on whether or not you'd like to invest. Have you tried the new t95 melee power armor? What're your thoughts?

[@sheko0omaher747]

I tried it and i would say for me maybe at least it made melee so much worth playing with i got back to rs on 2015 since that i only used melee, after fsoa keep out i still couldnt change cause i felt the switching and the fact alot to deal with in melee is what made it worth the sweat and is what made me enjoy the game, the best part about havoc for me is the risk the adrenaline the fact that for example raksha off prayer hits you 4800 which means almost in 2 hits u will die that itself is op what an upgrade in my 7 years pvm i never enjoyed pvm that much "glass canon indeed"

[@justsurfing1118]

Loved the video, but as a melee user I decided to invest in other styles rather than invest in melee. In my opinion thy are not really thinking melee for the long term and most of what's coming for melee is based on poorly made decisions. Like this new roar ability if zuk sword wasn't as much of failure thy wouldn't need to add it. And the fact that thy gave magic and range t95 weapons with window of 30 seconds of fun as in weapon spec and giving melee a bleed. Thy are just killing melee honestly. And it seems like thy picked up a habit that the only way to increase melee dps is by taking things away like melee wasn't already suffering from many drawbacks yet thy keep adding more.

[@darianlalla8322]

rs3 mage: crit staff, weapon swaps, wield the power of magic rs3 range: Wield bows and crossbows to unleash a rain of death upon your enemies rs3 melee: Dress up simulator with knives

[@RheyoRS]

“We just have a unique playstyle”

[@darianlalla8322]

@@RheyoRS Honestly melee is a lot of fun all things considered, I just hate that i need 3x the inputs per minute to be on par with the dps of someone afking with an eldritch spec or fsoa spec while still taking 2x damage compared to ranged or 4x damage compared to mage

[@RheyoRS]

Yeah I get that, it’s definitely a pain point. Something that melee has over the other styles though is consistency. The rotation doesn’t rely on rng for crits or bolt procs

[@mattraper6681]

I think jagex just loves magic

[@BKBK-yo1zz]

Same ranged and magic are my favs 1 thing I’ll give jagex is that havoc set looks 100x better than trimmed masterwork

[@xphilli]

I'm not sure if this video helped me decide on whether to get vestments as well as my cftmw. But either way, it was great. Your raksha kills in both armors was amazing! Can't wait to see more of your content and streams, ty!

[@RheyoRS]

That means a lot, thank you!

[@Jimbo635]

I don't understand why they felt the need to add so many melee armor switches

[@DeezNuts-gl6nx]

Bc melee is underwhelming compared to the other styles

[@Jimbo635]

@@DeezNuts-gl6nx so they should of just given melee better t95s instead more armor choices

[@Kranon]

@@Jimbo635 they should have.

[@MrandMrsQuack]

My guess is they will become passive some day

[@tylerdurden7965]

honestly i hate it. all of rs classic and most of OSRS melee was the preferred way for fighting everything and PvP. Now everyone's gotta learn all these complex switch mechanics and have 3 sets of gear in their inventory for any situation, its just tedious and annoying... let me play how i want to play.

[@drrydog]

you might need both tbh. But Havocs are clearly bis for damage. I'm actually finding melee fun, with the Vestments. the damage is so so stacked af

[@natestreo]

When are you helm swapping? Camp Hood until you leave zerk rotations and then switch to Jaws for adren building?

[@RheyoRS]

Essentially below 100% is fine to swap. I don’t swap until I finish all my thresholds because havoc helmet is more damage (minimal, but still better). You only need to swap to jaws helmet when there’s 1) bleeds on your target, and 2) using basics. If the first isn’t true then there’s no need to swap even for basics. If you’re using abyssal scourge then there’s always a reason to swap due to parasites counting as a bleed.

[@ardechey]

I always struggle using smoke cloud it feels like it doesn’t activate reliably. When you say release with ‘ability’ what are you referring to, is that the key I’m missing? I also missed whether you use chaos roar obviously the overpower will hit cap during the main zerk rotation would it be good to use it before the flurry? (On vindicta, I guess the bosses that need the ezk rotation chaos roar cool down is too long so you save it only for that right) Those raksha kills looked so smooth and fast

[@RheyoRS]

By “release” I mean that I used my assault/destroy to bleed after mutated barge. The barge indicator is the ! when done successfully, and I typically hold it for a couple ticks depending on the situation, then ‘release’ it from my bar with a channeled ability.

[@RheyoRS]

As for chaos roar, greater flurry still hits over 10k fairly easily within Zerk, and it would only affect the first hit. If anything, chaos roar would be better used for Claws. The only other thing is,with that short of an encounter, it might not be worth using since it takes a full 3 ticks away from something else.

[@jnorth07]

To piggy back, since we're in a melee setup fo we need to use ingenuity of the humans to get the smoke cloud to land offstyle? Or really just use smoke cloud and thats it?

[@RheyoRS]

Ingenuity of the humans is needed yes, only other option is to switch to mage gear to increase the hit chance.

[@rsn_zychron]

When I use a magic setup, smoke cloud can take a few ticks to go off after clicking it which makes it pretty annoying to use. When I use it, I pair it with freedom/anticipate, so click smoke cloud then anticipate/freedom pretty much immediately after. This makes smoke cloud cast in the same tick you freedom/anticipate. Does it work with melee too? - Unsure, but give it a shot!

[@Auguste_RS]

Solid video, seems like you need both tbh

[@RheyoRS]

Both is great, vestments are better dps for sure if you can swing it & can handle the damage intake.

[@Kranon]

Man those Vindicta Kills are Nutty! And here I was feeling all proud of my Mobile Killtimes :s Guess I'll need to shape up and shave off those 2 extra seconds.

[@RheyoRS]

Mobile vindy is probably way harder so be proud of that!

[@rafaelderrico]

Have you tested the vestments at hm kera? If so, how did it go?

[@RheyoRS]

Yes! I’ve done it on stream a bit, I was able to get a new pr of around 4:38 if I’m remember right, but I didn’t record it correctly so I deleted it. Phases are very fast, p4 can be lots easier due to damage output and dealing with clones quicker.

[@sheko0omaher747]

@@RheyoRS your videos are unique if i may ask you to start making a guides for meleers like how you were commenting on the kills thats what i would love to see specially soloing kera hm melee ❤

[@RheyoRS]

I’ve actually put together a whole melee series on my channel! I plan on doing more in the future as well,

[@sheko0omaher747]

@@RheyoRS will be going through the journy with you well done mate 👏

[@bobbythorne7941]

I have both sets I was just wondering if i should keep using tmw for slayer or start using vestments on slayer tasks too?

[@RheyoRS]

I’d say keep tmw for slayer, it doesn’t degrade and has much better sustain and defensive stats which is good for elite mobs like moss golems/nightmares/airuts. Vestments might be a bit overkill.

[@bobbythorne7941]

@@RheyoRS alright fair enough thanks man 💯

[@RheyoRS]

Anytime dude 🙌🏼

[@AeroAngle]

why does my have "stalled master work damage" when fight monsters on debuff and how do i take that off??????????????????????

[@DiabeticGameGuy]

Your audio on your vids is just amazing. No idea how you record and edit it, but it's professional level.

[@RheyoRS]

Hey thank you man I appreciate that, it’s taken some time, trial, and error but I’m pleased with where it’s at!

[@TigerFangRS]

Hey man, I love your style of explaining things, what do yo use for creating your text slides and such? like at 2:30

[@RheyoRS]

I do this all within my video editing software. I personally use premiere pro, but text titles are in every software. After that it’s just a matter of finding a text you like, typing it out, and making it look how you want

[@TigerFangRS]

@@RheyoRS Guess I tried DaVinci Resolved and don't enjoy its text tool so was just curious ty

[@MrMinas88]

dayum how u do zamorakina city tho i love melee have custom trim mw, abyssal scourge and off hand drygore mace, cinderbanes as gloves , i struglle in that dungeon tho any tips..

[@RheyoRS]

A halberd type weapon would be great, scythe would probably be ideal for dps/accuracy, but you could probably do fine with lanaikea’s spear. This will make it so you have an extra square of range which makes aoe abilities like cleave/hurricane/quake/meteor shower have a higher hit radius. Good rod specs would also be the dragon 2h or dragon halberd. 2h has a very large hit radius but expensive adren cost, where as halberd hits a cone in front of you, but it’s cheaper adren cost and hits twice per target. Things like this will make clearing the dungeon a lot smoother, as multiple aoe hits will not only clear things faster, but you’ll heal more from soul split/vamp scrim/vamp aura if you’re using those.

[@MrMinas88]

@@RheyoRS I have no scythe, I dunno why I didn't said that , with p6a4, but I take so much damage in some spots, I always deflect and vamp scrim , do you mind doing a video clearing the edge as melee ?

[@MrMinas88]

@@RheyoRS and I am guessing u meant EOF instead of " rod ", but ty for the advice

[@raymond5887]

When to use Lengs over scourge?

[@RheyoRS]

The only time you’re really using lengs to as a swap for hurricane for the split cooldown. Otherwise you want to use scourge

[@raymond5887]

@@RheyoRS okay thank you, so no point in spending 1b for a sword I rarely use then

[@kevintjuhh070]

@@raymond5887 its only worth buying if its one of your last upgrades. Not a high priority .

[@Brawneteer]

It definitely is a weird point that TMW has a tank set effect.

[@RheyoRS]

Yeah, at first it was amazing because it was the only t92 set with an effect, but now with vestments / cryptbloom it sorta shines a light on how contradictory it is. Although, it is a great set affect and fits for this particular style imo.

[@Brawneteer]

@@RheyoRS personally I think the two Elite sets of Sirenic and Tectonic need to be updated to have a set effect as well. Not sure what it would be but the initial damage mitigation that TMW has would not fit the bill.

[@RheyoRS]

Agreed. They have the benefit of range, so I think it should be something that alleviates one of their downsides like melee has with the distance.

[@Phwumpp]

Do you think they need to/ will buff vestment defense? Also love the videos just came across your account today

[@RheyoRS]

Thank you! I don’t believe they will, the set is very strong and is meant to serve the glass cannon purpose. If the defense is stronger then the set would be a little too op imo.

[@Phwumpp]

@@RheyoRS do you think this makes melee viable?

[@RheyoRS]

Melee has always been viable, just not bis in a majority of places. Melee has always had great burst, but this just made it a lot better

[@simptrix007]

TMW just idles in my bank if I want to be tanky I just use Cryptbloom. If you could merge at least helmets it would be great because switchscape is insane with melee.

[@lambosnicko]

Yeah id love to be able to add an (abyssal) effect to high tier helms. Would be cool if we could combine cinderbanes with the t90 gloves as well.. like cinderbane wraps or cinderbane gloves of passage. Switchscape sucks.

[@duyanhpham9227]

We all know repairing trimmed masterwork requires sacrificing untrimmed pieces to it but did I hear right that vestments of havoc are non degradable?

[@RheyoRS]

Correct, but with augmentors or still uses charge from the charge pack.

[@Galimeer5]

Magic offers Elite Tectonic for offense and Cryptbloom for defense Melee offers Vestments of Havoc and Trimmed Masterwork Ranged offers Elite Sirenic and...um...

[@SWAGURA]

death lotus?

[@yukimizuno4046]

dracolith

[@00Dusty]

Damage delay is a pro and con 🤣 there’s more than a few of us that have died from it after a boss kill 😅

[@RheyoRS]

Thanks for reunlocking my memories of all those times at Rax 🥲

[@init_yeah]

Finally somone who cares about melee!

[@Gamerchanger152]

Can u make a video on enhancements gears like new upgrades of mage rdps melee plz

[@RheyoRS]

Mage is still foreign to me, but I could potentially piece a video together of the enchantments in the future!

[@Gamerchanger152]

@@RheyoRS nahh just make a video explaining wht happens n wht teir to dps there acquire after enchantments thats enough.

[@chukss_]

I love melee, is my favorite combat skill, but currently im using magic because i play on mobile and magic with animate dead and full cryp is the most consistent combat skill for me, I would love to use melee but its too much rotations and abilities:(

[@thaedleinad]

I am fully into the new bleed melee build and I am sticking with TMW. I am super lazy and not very fond of switchscape, so I stick with my MWSoA 90% of time and my only switches are a Kalphite Defender and Abyssal Scourge. I recently bought Chaos Roar and roaring before a moving slaughter using MWSoA with lunging 4 is absolutely ridiculous. I hit poor Gorveck before flying away with 8k per hit, so it was 56k total damage (7 hits). I also melee Nex and P2 doing the same thing ends really fast. I suggest all of you lazy noobs right there to get into a bleeding build, it's comfy.

[@bobdylan1968]

Ive gotten from 112 to 118 slayer with beasts, gotten 12 helms. Love those monsters. Can't melee the lords though so haven't done them :/

[@thaedleinad]

@@bobdylan1968 yeah, gotta range them.

[@bobdylan1968]

@@thaedleinad or magic apparently. Just gotta use that Tesla coil thing forsure.

[@eyeballz851]

@@thaedleinad could u mention a guide or send the link to the bleed melee build juat got back into the back and i wanna decide what combat style to start off with (p.s i am lazy)

[@thaedleinad]

@@eyeballz851 - Strenght cape perk for dismembsr extra time/damage on Max Cape or Anachronia cape slot - Champion's ring with Enchantment of Heroism - Enhanced Gloves of Passage with Enchantment of Agony - Masterwork Spear of Anihilation with Lunging 4 perk - Chaos Roar ability (to combo with a moving slaughter) - Blood Tendrils ability unlocked - Abyssal Scourge switch - Jaws of the Abyss Helmet - Abyssal Armour Spikes I guess that's it.

[@Weejee456]

so many switches. melee really is the worst

[@RheyoRS]

It is quite bananas I’ll admit