Triples: the Single Most Important Sudoku technique?

[@prexzan]

I struggled through, then watching Mark re-impressed on me just how incredible at Sudoku he and Simon are with recognizing the paths forward.

[@susanne5803]

Favourite Mark moment 10:59: Pencilling a 2-4 pair in box 4 containing a 4: "So - those are a 2-4 pair ... is that ... urgh ... Please help me ... Don't just be ... showing an interesting pattern and not actually helping ... ehm ... Okay, that is a bit frustrating ... I don't actually see what that gives me ... But it looked incredibly interesting ... Maybe one of these 2-4 pairs actually does do some work ... ehm ... 2 is in one of those cells ... And partial enlightenment finally happens 11:46: "Ah ... 4 in this box has only got one location ..." Resolves this via box 6, finally writes a 2 in box 4 and still doesn't see the 4 that was sitting there waiting to be seen all this time. I just love this channel to bits. 😊 Thank you so very much to all the setters and to Mark, Simon and Sven!

[@BlakeMcCringleberry]

Very fun puzzle today! The triples weren't obvious at first, but once they started appearing, they totally led from one to another, and the puzzle just opened up very quickly.

[@ryanager8029]

Agreed, took me a minute to see them, but once they appear, it’s a spiral to the solution

[@Coyotek4]

38:43 ... this one really worked me over. It took me over 10 minutes to get my first digit, and it was mostly a slog from there. That said, I *did* find the triples alluded to in the video's title, and I *did* finish this with no guesswork. I'll take it. Tough classic!

[@mary-jolough9174]

I’m new to all of this. I understand the difference between corner and central markings, but why keep both in one cell?

[@Coyotek4]

@@mary-jolough9174 It's the difference between the two which is the reason to have both. Example: you have two cells in Box 4 corner-marked with "7", and one of those two cells has "79" central-marked. Later, you learn that the other cornered "7" is the 7; now the central mark tells you that cell has a 9.

[@deedemarest443]

Really appreciate that you actually pronounce it correctly and smoothly Sue-doe-koo a Japanese word (without over emphasizing "dough") as someone else who has a youtube video and insists on pronouncing it wrong saying it's a US pronunciation which there is no such version! He also gives an American all the credit for it's invention, but there is actually information that portrays an interesting history it's very first concept was created by a Swedish man in 1800's, later placed in a French newspaper, then refined in America but actually made popular in it's current form by the Japanese and called Sudoku.

[@jeanfoutre3620]

the triple concept! i struggled with it. thanks! 5:05 and 9:50 are eye openers to me.

[@seanmcdonough2683]

11:20 Absolutely killing me marking up that cell ignoring your Snyder notation on 8s

[@menbah]

He even high lighted it with a line straight down towards them! =)

[@drstkova]

I was thinking “Am I stupidly missing something that’s preventing him resolving the 8s?”…

[@R-N88]

Haha yes me too 😜

[@zacharysherry2910]

Lol

[@bape7372]

Bro sameee

[@cathypoole3015]

Finally starting to wrap my head around triples. This one helped a lot.

[@tiithendrikpiibeleht4092]

10:28, it was hard to get going, but after 5 minutes didn't get stuck anywhere. Thanks for the nice puzzle!

[@Sarah-im2md]

I'm so happy, your video comes with the best timing! I recently started solving Sudoku and I'm lacking basic rules / tricks to solve them. Thank you for your content, I always enjoy it

[@arimyllyniemi8445]

Thank you for the well documented solving of the puzzle. Now it was a joy to follow your technique and learn of it.

[@harrysurtees8710]

It took you four minutes and four seconds to see the 6 and 8's that eliminate one of the two eights below. You can't see the trees for the forest. There are so many numbers it boggles my mind. Sometimes when I get stuck, I walk away, and when I come back later and the answer (number) is so obvious. Thank you for helping me with the techniques, and what to do with triples. I think my biggest problem is how to recognize triples. Thanks again, you are a big big help.

[@loganv0410]

Listening to your thinking has made me much better at this (at times) very frustrating hobby

[@sandyhafenbrack141]

I loved this puzzle. It was so much fun finding all of the triples and this was at last a puzzle that I could actually accomplish on my own the first time I tried it.

[@howhardcanitbe7018]

Great puzzle, 35:51 for me. This one was really tricky, took me longer than I think it should've. Mark's time is really impressive, and those of you who did it around the 10 minute mark I'm pretty sure are from another planet.

[@miroslavapaleckova838]

23:37 I'm always so proud of myself when my time is close to video time :D

[@hhsc09]

Usually struggle with some of the classic techniques, but this one went well for me today. Instead of the triples, after my initial corner markings I quickly found that 1&9 were restricted to 2 positions in R3, then that 3&6 were similarly restricted in C1. Felt a little more powerful this way. It gave me a few digits then pairs started flowing into each other and cracking the puzzle. Finished 16:17.

[@MisterM2402]

This one was tricky, I only managed two decent deductions myself: 1/9 pair in row 2 (the inverse of Mark's triple) and 3/6/8 in column 1 (again, the inverse of Mark's triple).

[@gregs2284]

FYI a weakness I've seen is that Mark it seems still isn't after all this time accustomed to the corner marking technique. At 11:11 he highlights the 68 pair in box 5 and stares at it for a while but never notices that he already corner pencil-marked 8 in to cells in box 8 that this pair now decides.

[@harrysurtees8710]

At 14:13 you found the 68 pair ramification. One thing learning to solve sudoku, I never hear anyone talk about the first thing I learned? After I saw where the BIG 8 went in row 7, I looked at every BIG 2 and easily saw that all the empty spaces in row one were blocked by a BIG 2, except one. After that I looked down and saw where another BIG 2 goes. From there on, I was off to the races. Sometimes even a blind dog finds a bone, every once in a while. Thanks again, I appreciated what you do.

[@TiagoMorbusSa]

This puzzle was an absolute monster, only Mark could solve it this fast!

[@girishgupta2938]

Sudoku Club

[@cyanah5979]

For me the most vital was the 24 doublet in the middle upper square. Once I got this the puzzle resolved very quickly.

[@Raven-Creations]

Nice classic. Mark had a few scanning failures, such as pencil-marking a 24 in a box with a given 4, and not spotting the 68 looking at a corner-marked 8 for a while. They weren't that important, but did slow him down a bit. Apart from the triples, I think the key was getting the 24 pair in box 2. It all seemed to open up after that.

[@phillipcarlroberts4640]

Thanks for the puzzle, you guys are pros and you have taught me a lot regarding sudoku's, Cryptic crosswords and simply maths in general, its my favourite channel on youtube 😀, you guys keep churning out great content on a daily basis...homage to you.

[@ronaldkoh5281]

Excellent easy paced demonstration. Ten thousand thanks. The best sudoku master that I am learning from.

[@hybamajed3614]

Hello 👋 it took me 2 hours to solve. But mine was a different method from the one presented in the video. It was instructional though and also quite impressive to solve it in just 20 minutes. Thank you 😊

[@shirleyhenderson155]

Info re: triples (which I'd discovered by playing many, many games, but didn't know how to use to my advantage) was so helpful. Being intentional about finding them helped me solve in 23:21 on second attempt. Yay!🎉

[@shteebo]

Thank you for mixing in the occasional instructional video. It's very helpful.

[@boskinspace4263]

Took me over 80 minutes on my own, but then came back to watch the under 20 minute solution (just to check). So fast! 😮😮😮

[@bala1000mina]

I enjoyed and really learnt a lot from this video! Thank you so much Mark! Good luck!

[@zynzane9680]

I liked this one, messed up the first time but solved the second time. Thank you!

[@dismalfailure44]

The trouble with triples was right there!!!!

[@glennmelven3414]

But he already did it.

[@olamarklund1755]

He was on the right trek!

[@VeritasUnae]

There's a lovely flow to this once you spot the break-in points, and as always it's delightful to see Mark's impressive solve. If I'd had more time I'd have attempted it myself haha

[@Colin_Holloway]

It's always amazing looking back at these older videos. 9:09 is a Phistomefel Ring on 2s. There's only 1 2 in the outer boxes in r1c8 and 2 to be placed in r3 and r7, so r1c9 must be a 2!

[@SmartHobbies]

Nice example of an enjoyable classic sudoku. Nice solve path.

[@jeffbrunton3291]

Good puzzle. Took me a long time but didn’t require anything too complicated

[@Tombsar]

Nice classic puzzle. Reasonably difficult, but not too hard given the video title that primed me to look for triples. Took me 20 mins.

[@regibson23]

Why does your website app not put the notes in a consistent corner? 1 should always be top left. 9 should always be bottom right. Etc.

[@crusader5951]

Classic sudoku is my weakness. I color the parity even/odd in this puzzle and help me a lot to spot the restriction. Tough puzzle but i solved it!

[@balkthor]

16:23 for me here. Pretty proud of it. I found myself playfully cursing at the puzzle's genius setting about a dozen times when I pieced together sets of quads/triples/pairs.

[@SamCoca]

This was a fun puzzle. I really enjoyed the old app better. Thank you for giving us a classic.

[@twigd3825]

i always have a hard time finding triples so before watching mark, i proceeded to solve this puzzle. that 1/9 pair was very easy to find without the 356 triple and it set up the 3/6 pair in column 1. from there i needed nothing but pairs to solve this puzzle. got to find a harder puzzle that could only be solved by triples.

[@rabidsamfan]

I solved that old world hardest puzzle once. Took a month to do it logically but boy was it amenable to two good guesses.

[@dilbert719]

28:20, only after reminding myself that the title of the video was triples, and maybe I should start looking for some hidden triples across the rows and columns with 4 givens.

[@petslife3533]

nice will try

[@b.k.7573]

35:34 ....... Nice puzzle to solve. The triples kept popping up left and right, which obviously was intended lol but helped me a lot to solve it :)

[@deedemarest443]

The idea of creating boxes with the same missing numbers across and down makes it more difficult to solve along with providing less numbers to start with. I enjoy the challenge.

[@LednacekZ]

i found 2 sets of triples. Not bad for an usual classic, sadly for this sudoku it was 2 out of 100.

[@stegra5960]

I'm shocked! I sailed through this one far faster than Mark. Unheard of me. I've been known to spend hours on some of the variants. I used the NYT trick a few times near the start and rest fell into place.

[@miraculix666]

Mark had "Troubles with Trip/bbles".

[@MBSPUHR842]

30:28. very nice puzzle with triples (and a few doubles and quads) leading down a straightforward path. I'm just a LOT slower than Mark in terms of scanning and finding them.

[@deedemarest443]

Process of elimination in a column find the numbers missing and then cross check the intersecting row because any of the missing numbers that show up in the cross section have to be eliminated too the rest you can note in the box, do this to each cell in the box of 9 and you will have found all the possible combinations for each cell. As you fill in a number you have to eliminate it from being possible in the others. As you go along you will find only one that can fill a cell and reveal the correct number in another. You will notice the more difficult ones will have multiple boxes with the same missing combination of numbers so you have no choice but to use this process.

[@davidhughes7174]

Wonderful solve Mark. A great sudoku lesson. Thank you

[@Gonzalo_Garcia_]

17:56 for me. It took me a while to find the first triple, then it was much easier from there. I consider myself to be pretty bad at classic, so I’m happy with this solve.

[@leonr2964]

I managed to get under the 10min mark

[@r0bw00d]

I quit after 35 minutes. Once I got Row Three filled in with its pair and triple, I couldn't find anything else.

[@susanne5803]

You're not alone!

[@suris5893]

Like your honesty

[@patrickolsson6801]

I'm guessing we had to have Mark do this puzzle so that we didn't hear Simon singing twice during the solve? =D On a serious note, I love watching your minds work, as they unravel the web of logic! Keep up the great videos!!

[@sjefjansen4696]

Please make more classic Sudoku puzzle videos!

[@elisabethloxley6124]

Very tricky, I would not have solved it as quickly

[@Jodawo]

On Sudokus with variances Simon might be considered the "Sherlock Holmes" of solvers. When it comes to Classic Sudoku Mark is "Monk" without all the OCD... LOL I think it was a great solve. Very good catch of the triples only one glaring miss, of significance, the 68 pair that really didn't give away too much when finally seen. I do believe this would be the type of puzzle a person could get stuck on for hours but Mark made this look doable. I do see where many want to compare both solvers (Simon and Mark) by trying to put them against each other. You have to remember they both have their strengths and what you saw in this puzzle is right in Mark's wheelhouse.

[@muskyoxes]

I wouldn't be stuck for hours - i'd fill in every candidate in every cell long before then

[@harrysurtees8710]

I disagree with your 68 pair assessment. Look at the puzzle when he discovers the 68 pair (14:13) eliminates the one 8. What I did then, looked at all the big 2's in each column and saw they covered every blank space in column one, except in row nine. Fill in that 2 and I was off to the races. It took him 4 minutes and 4 seconds to see what 68 pair did. That was the key for me. Of coarse, I needed help finding the triples. I do struggle most of the time.

[@Dogvinity]

It's good fun to watch all your videos, but I myself am probably restricted to traditional Sudokus. This is the only puzzle I've seen recently I'd stand a chance to complete. In about an hour. I'm only an ameteur. ;-)

[@squallerrleon]

27:23, one hint. Overlooked a pair/triple I had marked in C2. This is probably the hardest regular sudoku I'm capable of now

[@deedemarest443]

Eventually if you stay at it no matter how many missing numbers there sooner or later you will find the one that begins the domino effect until it's solved. I guess the only other achievement is how fast you can can solve it.

[@Ruddigore]

Impressive solve

[@chrismoyler]

At 11:16, Dont the 8s in the centre box define the single digit 8 in r7c6 and the 8 in row 1? You found it at 14:18! Tky dear Mark A very interesting puzzle.

[@palacerevolution2000]

Every time I thought I'd cracked it, and found my way in, I got waylaid again. This was a tough one.

[@Magemasher256]

Great solve as always!

[@zygfrydmina8419]

40:05 for me, completely on my own. I see that as an incredible achievement.

[@tarunieminen1533]

Thank you, very instructive. Can't find a link to try it out myself, though.

[@jacktheripperd1141]

i don't understand the logic at 9:58. How does 178(R1C5), 179 (R1,C7) and 179 (R1C9) mean R1C5 is 8?

[@yen-chewu1467]

19 (R3C1), 179 (R7C1) and 179 (R9C1) mean column 1 (including R5C1) can't have 1, 7 or 9 anymore

[@tromal217]

Hello ! Great video But I don't understand what's happening @16:50 can someone explain ? :D Because in Row3 Column 5, how can he deduce between 1 and 9 ? To remove the possibility of 1 and 9 on Column 5, 3 bottom cell ? Thanks !

[@kkob]

Great video. I'm basically self-taught on Sudoku. The basic techniques seem really obvious, right? Still, I sometimes have had to resort to trial and error because I can never remember the advanced techniques, such as X wing. Your way of starting with only the isolated numbers was very useful. It took me two restarts, but I got it on my own, but that one simple way of starting really helps. Cheers

[@pedzsan]

I don’t find these videos very educational actually. I can see him moving around the playing field and filling in numbers but he does not describe his thought process very much. He does some. But not that much. e.g. “I just noticed this square can have only a 36”… I get that is true once you spot it but what led you to ask about it in the first place? This is just an example.

[@wbball15]

6/8 pair in b5 gives 8 in b8

[@chrispugmire]

I was hoping this video would even briefly explain the tripple. oh well.

[@ffmuller]

Very impressive but need to teach as you go. Lost me at 5:20 with the 5’s. How was that made?

[@mikolajpodbielski]

In row 3 cells 4 7 9 can only be filled with digits 3 5 6 so you cannot use those digits in amy other cell in that row. Otherwise you would have no fill for at least one of those 3 cells. In general: naked pair/tripple/quadruple means there can only be 2/3/4 digits used in some 2/3/4 cells in given row or column or box so you cannot use those digits in any other cell in this row or column or box

[@CMLachky]

Great Puzzle!!

[@kathytiffin6518]

Thank you.

[@calzoncillo17]

There has been a recent glitch on the iphone version of the app, it zooms in and doesnt zoom out

[@SHINeeNAilee]

15:44 for me. I straight up just galaxy brained seeing a triple and then went from there.

[@bernardfinucane2061]

That 68 pair in the middle box was so distracting!

[@wanderlustwarrior]

I restarted the puzzle after I thought I broke it about 33 minutes in. Solved it on the second attempt in 24:05. Classic sudoku somehow feels like a strange challenge now.

[@prexzan]

Hah! I was wondering where I got the hint to look for triples! Need to pay more attention I guess :)

[@wanderlustwarrior]

16:17 for me this time, much better.

[@benjyletouffu]

Hello, there's a technique that you guys are using and don't quite understand how yet... 3:51 and 4.44 you marked 3-6 and 4-7 by counting 1 to 9 in both row and column, how does this technique works?

[@drumbyte]

Amazing!

[@killer408cid]

I average 9 minutes on evil level sudoku, but I don't think I ever really noticed the significance of triples as such. I'm eager to apply this and see where it takes me.

[@RO8s]

Well, when I started Sudoku, I discovered triples by myself, but he found a quadruple which has never occurred to me! I'm glad he had difficulty - I had to bollox the whole thing out and do it from there. I did it, mind!

[@rosiefay7283]

How do triples help? My solver was able to solve it using only naked and hidden singles and pairs. Its first 2 deductions were R3's 1 and 9 are at R3C1 R3C5, and C1's 3 and 6 are at R1C1 R4C1 (hidden pairs).

[@alanclarke4646]

Very fun to do

[@JohnRandomness105]

1:50 I misheard you describe the author of the puzzle as "finished". Sorry about that. 11:35 The 68 pair you just glanced at fixes an 8 in B8, then another 8 in B2. (Some time) The 24 pair fixes the 6 in C4. 18:30 Why did I miss the 3 being fixed on column 6, that resolved the many 37 pairs? I had to resort to colors to finally show that a cell with a 37xy faced both 3 and 7.

[@shulemankhan5461]

Very nice

[@IanMcGarrett]

After finding the 19 pair in row three I erased the corner marks and the 386 triple in column one stood out.

[@swimfit57]

That puzzle was a tough one!

[@charlesmangum2100]

68 in middle row. Finally

[@coyote4237]

Thanks.

[@kathleenliegeois9925]

Good evening, Can we succeed a Sudoku of all levels without detecting hidden triplets ?, I have trouble recognizing some of them, at least for the hidden ones.

[@davidh.4944]

49:17. It was quite a tricky game. Not difficult, per se, just very hard to spot the combos. Being tired and sloppy with my pencil marks didn't help much either. Still, classics are the best to do after a long day-as long as they aren't too hard.

[@zafmahmood5654]

Someone please explain why the guy selected the 8 in the first column (TIME 10.02) where he did?I know from the rules of Sudoku that there are two 8's in the first column rows 4 and 5.But why there.....and not the one above it.Thanks

[@michael4962]

The triples confused me. I wish you would slow down a bit when you are applying a rule instead of just filling in the numbers and saying what you are doing. Explain what you are doing please.

[@scarcesense6449]

Well, I solved it. But your way looks a lot easier. I've never really used notation.

[@7ebr830]

"easy stuff"?? 😳 I must be the world's worst Sudoku player then. The speed with which he was throwing down numbers flummoxed me from the get go. I'm off to find an easier channel for blockheads like me.

[@michaelkay1508]

I love that I got some things quicker than he did!

[@peterosborne3700]

Thanks

[@CrackingTheCryptic]

Thanks so much! Really appreciated.

[@mostlyharmless6168]

I really appreciate an occasional classic!