Trisha and Ethan's (Frenemies) Body Language Makes It Even MESSIER | Nonverbal Analyst Reacts

[@ObserveYouTube]

Just an FYI I was unaware of Trisha's pronouns being they/them! Please mentally switch the times I say she/her into me saying they/them. I apologize for missing this! I hope you enjoy the video otherwise

[@mayulowe900]

Please talk about Mayumi Arashi case and the perplexing interview with her parents.

[@Do_The_Diligence]

She also uses her/she as well as they/them

[@achilleamillefolium2463]

Trisha uses both. People have been commenting like crazy about her/their pronouns without even checking their facts first.

[@DreasAdventures]

It’s okay! She also has stated and has on her IG that her pronouns are also she/her (:

[@therecipe5606]

It's okay Trisha uses both she/her and they/them! I hope this clears it up ❤

[@bluefroge]

As an autistic person I would be very confused if someone told me they weren’t angry but showed signs of frustration. I need people to be direct with communication or I will start getting frustrated at myself for not understanding which social cues are the right one. watching trisha makes me so anxious (not questioning the validity of their anger, though)

[@SophiaPetrillo_]

Thank you for sharing this! My little nephew has just been diagnosed with autism and it really helps to see many different experiences in order to better understand him in the future..

[@brosef5033]

Like the person above, I thank you for sharing your experience. I have an autistic niece and this is really helpful to know.

[@ava1ynn821]

Right!! I wish people would just tell me, instead of trying to be indirect about it.

[@cursetea49]

well from my understanding is when you have some of the diagnoses that trisha has, they don't always realize what they feel. my father does this to me all the time and i don't feel annoyed or frustrated but i look it. but i get frustrated when asked over and over again and told i am then get a sarcastic "fine your not upset"

[@Parscuit]

All due respect, and only purely respect, I am not Autistic and I'd be extremely confused and aggravated as well. I appreciate your point of view and am by no means trying to diminish your perspective - it just shows how purely confusing the whole bout of communication was handled.

[@emmie605]

This seemed like such a normal argument, I feel like most people would just apologize the next day and get over it

[@aliciaflores5869]

Dude yes!!!

[@jasonvargas7564]

But Trisha has BPD, and seemingly has self-destructive tendencies due to childhood trauma, abuse, abandonment all leading to poor self-esteem. She never feels like she truly "deserves" love and genuine friendship since she's never been shown it in the past. And when cracks start to form, rather than being on the receiving end of heartbreak, she figures it's easier to just throw it all away herself - at least the resulting fallout will be "justified" as x happened or the other person was rude because of x, y, and z, etc. And with Ethan, he understands Trisha's complexities, but like he said, it came to a point where he stopped being honest and carefree around her and had to walk on eggshells all the time, and kept having to roll with the punches and just accept being berated and insulted over and over again, BUT STILL didn't want to cut her off, and considered her a friend and soon to be family member. But then after Trisha's 5 videos calling Ethan a liar, evil, and all sorts of nasty things, who knows if he still feels that way. And again, Trisha truly did feel misunderstood and lied to and manipulated, so she went on the offensive and attacked right back to try to hurt him the way she feels she's been hurt. It just keeps spiraling.

[@yesimsureienteredmynamecorrect]

@@jasonvargas7564 At this point she uses all that as a crutch. As soon as someone doesn't play along she starts attacking them. She is forever the victim. It is no one's job to baby a grown person all the time and its counterproductive in a work environment.

[@nunpho]

@@jasonvargas7564 absolutely spot on. It ends up in self sabotage.

[@EmpressEllie]

@@jasonvargas7564 what do you mean he didn’t want to cut her off. He constantly talks over her and cuts her off. Same with her videos and promotions. Edit: what I’m saying is still what I have witness Ethan do to Trisha and vice versa, however, I misunderstood Jason’s comment and have replied below.

[@jokelly8406]

“I gO tO tHeRaPy” join the club sis, you ain’t the only one with problems. Idk why she thinks that point makes her arguments valid. Sad really.

[@anjiii9530]

She wants the control and wants all the attention. That is her problem. And I’d hate to be around a person like that.

[@SerenityChaos1975]

The therapy is not working , she probably thinks it’s another opportunity to constantly talk about herself and play the victim.

[@erinrose9774]

It's like they are saying because they go to therapy they couldn't possibly be doing anything wrong, that's not how that works Trisha

[@mandarinD]

4 zoom sessions a week!

[@TheCharleyArlena]

Exactly! Acting as if being in therapy makes her a therapist as well? I... 🤨🤦🏼‍♀️💀

[@Amelias_Edits]

I don’t get why Trisha is so critical of the production and content when her “content” is hours of her doing basically nothing

[@janicehearts7697]

For real 😂😂

[@HalloMoose]

Ya abs she doesn’t even edit much 😂

[@ssourrgummiez]

And all of her “ideas” are so grandiose that its hard to produce say.. in a week ?

[@i.i.iiii.i.i]

@@ssourrgummiez And Ethan was even ready to hire a producer specifically for her ideas 😅

[@celesbianmegastar]

I mean I don’t think that’s true. Just look at her channel. She has a ton of wacky ideas and videos. Remember the one woman beetlejuice musical? The snake oil sales parody? Her garage emo band?

[@daisyevangelina]

when trisha misused “gaslighting” in order to gaslight ethan

[@Nadeko]

literally. but i think this shows that she was having an episode. she wasnt in touch with what she was feeling and she was extremely defensive

[@lacienagalacey9454]

Thank you

[@bunnyford7691]

I’ve once heard it said nobody is more dangerous than a narcissist who is in therapy. Because then they now have the tools to change their behavior but instead use it for their benefit, because they are narcissists. It’s what they do…

[@boop99]

And she misuses literally constantly, but everyone does that nowadays

[@haley4011]

THIS!! the whole time I was like trisha YOU are gaslighting!!

[@annacatherineandrews]

I do wish Trisha would leave the rude comments ABOUT the podcast off the podcast in a private meeting with Ethan. They shouldn’t tell their FANS their questions are stupid

[@23Eulogy23]

There were people in the subreddit that actually submitted their questions. They were genuinely hurt ☹

[@steffthesensitive4697]

ultimately they BOTH care the most about views and views alone - views are KING, they are both benefitting even from their foibles....this is the business model.

[@Original_Tenshi_Chan]

Also, to add insult to injury, the staffer who suggested the Advice segment was there the whole time trisha was bashing it and calling it stupid. (not to mention, trisha also bitched about the staff getting paid and sending her stans after those staffers. they've all had to shut down their socials.

[@GUYdoestuff]

@@Original_Tenshi_Chan when has trish ever complained about the staff being paid? Lol

[@alexishess713]

I agree. Trisha owes an apology for the way she handled herself in this episode. And likewise the crew should have just cut that out of the episode to begin with. or just not aired the episode at all. especially the parts about the whole 5% fiasco. its clear that none of them properly communicate their concerns off camera and that's the first mistake they made edit: grammar

[@d.uchiha9388]

It hurts my heart that she is attacking Ethan. The one person who was actually by her side and WANTED to be her friend. Ethan didn’t lie. I would have felt extremely uncomfortable as a crew member. Ethan did the right thing.

[@speeeee35]

I STILL don’t see how Shane was anything but nice to her either, Ppl hate him so they rewrite history. Truth of it is ppl STARTED turning on Shane when *he wouldn’t denounce Trish for mocking the trans and then DID communities relentlessly*. Now, that doesn’t necessarily say he’s a good person, but my point is... he stood by her when she was a horrible person and then she threw him under the bus when he was cancelled for things she well knew bc SHE WAS ON KZbin DURING SHANES BAD DAYS!!! SHE BECAME FRIENDS WITH HIM DURING AND AFTER THOSE DAYS! I’m yet to see anyone who genuinely did anything wrong to her. The only one is maybe Jeffree bc the video the stylist put out was really unnecessarily mean mocking her looks etc so Jeffree should have stood up for her if they were friends. But even that wasn’t DIRECTLY him. I guess what I’m saying is she holds others to a standard she doesn’t uphold herself.

[@AnaFox]

​@@speeeee35 I don't like how they're handling this situation but I don't understand your point. Shane was their BFF, he never publicly defended them, Trisha was only good for youtube videos, Shane wouldn't choose them and had been talking trash behind their back. They felt betrayed - they were. This coming from someone who doesn't trust easily (from what they tell us). Shane's actions are his own. Trisha was his friend but also his victim. And while that doesn't excuse any manipulation or abuse they may subject others to, it does shed a light on how they respond to certain situations and insecurities -considering the eclectic past they've had. Ethan has been a better friend, listener, support system, and even "enemy" than Shane ever was. We don't need to compare friends, but since you equated them I distinguished them. As shocking as it may seem, it is not uncommon to be oblivious to someone else's (perversions) "strange behavior". More so if that behavior was being documented and the person was becoming famous instead of reprimanded. (basically, I disagree/feel differently when it comes to people wronging Trisha. I think Shane, Jason, David, etc... did wrong them. Other times, as they admitted, their reputation preceded them, so when they tried to say something honest they got hate and disbelief. And instead of letting reality prove itself, they then responded with trolling becoming even more hated. Trisha's defensive side tends to be quite confrontational, it seems. Sometimes it's amazing, sometimes it's a mess. But I do agree that they tend to hold others to a different standard they don't uphold themselves...)

[@ayannajohnson11]

They both racist h they can both go to hell honestly

[@jappyhoy]

Agree. He has always and still does genuinely care for Trisha. It’s unfortunate she’s so damn spoiled and can’t see that.

[@autumnanderson7757]

I agree, Trisha reverting back to trishaing is sad, but not a shock. Mental health, communication, and emotial IQ take time to improve, she is working at it. Keep all things in mind.

[@NessieNomsChu]

Nobody is mentioning his Tourettes. Which, like autism and adhd is a neuro developmental disorder. It can present with a lot of traits of both adhd and asd. Stuff like hyperactivity, forgetfulness, and having a need to multitask which is where His interruption may have stemmed from. Also, I wouldn't have even called it rude or called it as something he shouldn't have done? He probably saw that person looking hungry and decided to offer some. It took like 2 seconds and Trisha could have just let it happen and continued on. And I wanted to bring up how his "smirk" is probably one of those "I can't believe this is happening again over something so small" type of things. The same vein of how Trisha was laughing and smiling when she was wanting to leave.. Ethan has taken her toxicity for years and that's a pretty normal response to that type of emotional toxicity. "Here we go again"...

[@meat1031]

completely agree

[@RideOrDieClaire]

I was thinking the same

[@Sami-cv5je]

I cannot stand Trisha Ethan I understand a little bit better and you know knowing what his neurological problems are it's very understandable and the fact that she made such a big deal out of him offering a slice of pizza to somebody on set obviously that person looks hungry you know they were probably licking their lips or biting their lip or like showing some type of hunger so he was doing something that honestly give him a lot of credit for cuz a lot of creators are people who have a crew don't even do that so Trisha is full of shit

[@Giggles3691]

Especially since you see him pointing at someone and then the pizza, trying to communicate nonverbally as to not interrupt. He was engaging in the conversation until he saw someone who wanted pizza. He did a very slightly rude thing to do a very nice thing

[@cayleece7890]

Yeah that's true he does have tourettes

[@brandonalexander210]

Ethan: Listen, you can be upset.... Trisha (visibly upset): B U T I M N O T.

[@CoolGuy-sd5un]

But do you not see how Ethan, in their friendship dynamic, telling her that she's upset over and over and not believing her is the problem? I don't believe he couldn't see her becoming frustrated BECAUSE he was treating her as irrational and as a child.

[@charcoal8]

I wouldn't have felt comfortable being vulnerable enough to say I was upset in that situation either tbh, it'd give him an opportunity to mock.

[@mylife-23]

I often tell ppl I'm fine or not upset when I actually am, it's called putting on a mask.

[@vim92]

And the next moment she's on her channel crying 🤣

[@tberry2510]

@@CoolGuy-sd5un THIS

[@cutesound9563]

The thing about BPD is that once you start feeling an emotion you basically just dig deeper, continue finding things to justify the reaction you’re having to it, and are basically inconsolable and no one can ever help really. Ethan was in an extremely tough place here, nothing he could have said would have done anything. I’ve been in therapy for my BPD and i’ve learned that no one else is responsible for my reaction to my feelings, and the only way to combat them is to be extremely proactive with myself and actively talk myself out of what i’m feeling, or distract from it entirely. It’s my job, and it’s not an easy one, nor is it easy to learn but it’s possible and BPD shouldn’t be an excuse for her. She’s now in the loop of trying to justify her reaction after the fact, and she’s using the skills she’s learning in therapy as more of a defense of her actions, and a weapon than anything to heal her. It sucks to witness.

[@TheBusyHoneyBee]

👏👏👏thank you for this

[@zaespan999]

I 100 percent agree with you, I myself have BPD and trust me we have a lot of bad thoughts and they suck ass having to hear these thoughts we literally talk down to ourselves and I think that’s where people say we play the victim and no kidding cause it does look like that but for us these are real emotions and feelings. I totally hear you and thank you for sharing this it really brings awareness.

[@bumpymoon5416]

What is BPD? Ty

[@sinead9576]

I wanna add, she's early in treatment for bpd. It's not gonna be plain sailing automatically. It definitely seemed like she was tense from the get go of this episode and she did seem to try and diffuse it properly while she was there. It seems like a very unfortunate series of misunderstandings and miscommunication that led to the rest of it... Maybe I'm wrong, but I think early on she was doing quite well and then people almost intentionally misunderstood things she said early on and made it sound worse. At which point, I would have snapped too. No excuse for some stuff she's said, but I think they're both answerable to the early on bits... Just a thought. I could be completely incorrect. I hope they can get a mediator and sort out the misunderstandings.

[@TheBusyHoneyBee]

@@bumpymoon5416 bipolar disorder

[@deyedrah]

“Mental illness isn’t an excuse for being a shit person.” -Trisha Paytas

[@bubbadino1926]

It’s funny how they don’t even take their own words

[@carmskywalker9409]

she never said that all this mess was cuz of her mental illness and u also gotta undertand that people with mental issues also can lose control ....

[@tiny44420]

Mental illness explains shitty abusive behaviour, it doesn't excuse it

[@yoramenraps1011]

So ironic

[@ImpulsiveLimbo]

@@carmskywalker9409 they can but choosing to own up that you were out of control and being a POS and actually feeling sorry is the difference

[@elonsmusk4890]

I'm tired of the narrative that Ethan interrupted Trisha's Broke Back Mountain review. Ethan first asked "Do you want to do the fan advice segment?" and Trisha said "Yes" but then immediately after saying yes interrupted the segment by talking about the movie. So as far as Ethan asking if other ppl in the room want food (while they're eating in front of them mind you) isn't out of line or rude especially considering the segment they were supposed to be doing was being derailed by her.

[@yawninglion1677]

I could see it being a huge deal if he interrupted her to get back to the segment, but just asking someone if they want pizza is...dismissive, sure, but not inexcusably rude. The conversation could've just gone back on track with not much effort.

[@awkwardlyawesome00]

Omg this!!!!! Offering someone a piece of pizza when they’re eating in front of them, like how’s that rude

[@Alysscka]

He said it so quietly too, he basically just mouthed it! I didn’t even NOTICE it at first

[@tonguekisser89]

even if he did, they couldve have said "hey let me continue" or " one sec im triggered" or ANYTHING other than explosion

[@waaxiu]

He was also listening and responding to her well when she was discussing the movie anyways! He shouldn’t have interrupted, but he was also being kind to his worker.

[@sonicbelmont300]

Important context: 1. The screenshot of the split being 55/45 was from before they even started the podcast, and since he's covering all of the production costs from his half that's more than generous. 2. From Ethan's mouth, it wasn't that he didn't like her ideas, it was that she'd pitch them without considering the practicality of actually making them happen, hence why something like an advice segment would be used before pottery or gymnastics, it's just far more practical and less expensive. 3. This is Ethan an Hila's business, Frenemies is just a podcast that falls under the umbrella, Trisha is just a co-host who shows up, does stuff on camera, and then goes home. There's no reason for Ethan to consult her about who he's hiring, unless of course they had some sort of negative experience with who he's just hired, which the new hire did not. You also didn't touch on how she called their pregnancy announcement "recycled content" as if it's unreasonable (or as she put it, "uncreative") to want to talk about the pregnancy on Frenemies as well as the H3 podcast.

[@Kiyahri]

I feel Trisha didn’t want to hear about the pregnancy announcement because she seems envious of Hila. Maybe not consciously but in the past she has brought up Hila and called her the c word and a bitch just because she requested not to be talked about on the podcast and Trisha couldn’t even respect that. The topic of pregnancy seems to be a sensitive one. It’s pretty shitty on Trisha’s part to call the pregnancy announcement recycled content . It’s a happy moment for Hila and Ethan ofc they wanted to share the happy news with everyone.

[@jennifergomez4973]

Yeap. & I’m sick of people excusing her shit saying it’s her bpd. ....or say its because of Hilas pregnancy. WHETHER SHES JEALOUS, HURT OR BITTER about it IDC!!!! She would demand a non toxic environment from everyone if she would, (god forbid) ever breed. She’s lucky that someone stupid enough wants to marry her, but still wants to burn the people who care the most about her. People run out of patience with the bullshit she does.

[@tberry2510]

@@Kiyahri You feel like that, but they clearly said that wasn't true. It's a really cold and misogynistic take to say that someone is jealous that another person is pregnant. Trisha stated they are happy for them multiple times. To read them as jealous of their sister-in-law to be is very "women are so hysterical and competitive" of you.

[@tberry2510]

That's pretty messed up. "someone stupid enough wants to marry her" "(god forbid) ever breed? Like damn... I'm genuinely shocked by this comment. Trisha is a person.

[@empac8631]

@@tberry2510 Dude she clearly has some jealousy issues with Hila. She started off having a rift because Hila wanted to keep her and Moses’ family off the internet, which Trish disregarded. Then she proceeded to call Hila a “fucking bitch” and the c word in her own home. She would read Ethan for promoting Teddy Fresh (their company, and one of their sponsors) but then promotes everything she does and now says her merch is “high fashion street wear” like TF specifically. It may not be a conscious jealousy but there’s definitely a bit of competition in Trish’ mind.

[@kaylaisyou]

The amount of rude things Trisha has done towards Ethan, his wife, and the crew is insane. Trisha tends to self-destruct and starts having black/white thinking. She needs to work on herself. They shouldn't have to walk on eggshells around her.

[@bambam2858]

This is why I hate group projects. There's always one member that doesn't contribute and wants equal share of the grade.

[@fumma4592]

I’m that group member :D

[@KakashiandRay]

or they have an idea, that is just not doable (time, money, capacity etc.) and then are upset that it is not done.

[@blackgothgoddess3164]

I was always the person roped into doing the whole project. So I'd make it obvious that I did most of the work.

[@beast667]

Is it me or is Trishias only contribution that's pointed out:“thinking of subjects"? Doesn't sound like the full scope of what would be expected on a podcast

[@gerardocontreras9538]

Throughout the months I noticed that she would come up with ideas and Ethan would blow her off on most of them... it was obvious that was a issue as they continued. We'd get glimpses of it. Guess Ethan accusing her of not doing anything pushed her over... it does happen... But wtf.... she can't just be rude about what's going on live and then flip it to being a victim... Ethan is right, why should he have to walk on egg shells? It's not like they're strangers.

[@jollynyoung]

Trish is a living breathing version of the word ‘ Gaslighting ‘. And isn’t it odd Ethan is always apologizing when they have any problem but Trish never does.

[@squiddyft.insecurities3549]

she’s apologized to him like two times

[@squiddyft.insecurities3549]

some people have different boundaries…

[@bethbuck925]

@@squiddyft.insecurities3549 very insincere apologies in my opinion

[@squiddyft.insecurities3549]

@@bethbuck925 i don’t think so but okay :)

[@DecrepitFlunky]

@@squiddyft.insecurities3549 then you’re just a gullible person

[@bgctrinity]

She interrupts Ethan at least a handful of times an episode. But, the moment he interupts her? Melt down.

[@chjdjdjdjsjsj830]

BUMP!!!!

[@chjdjdjdjsjsj830]

she would shut his shit down all the time, like wiki feet for example, she wasn’t having any of it

[@kayla4549]

the things trisha would interrupt were to keep the conversation going or to move past topics they didn’t feel like talking about, like wiki feet, which ethan talks about on H3 all the time. in this instance, ethan interrupts something that they feel passionate about and really wanted to talk about, to talk to the crew about pizza. he’s dismissive of trishas contribution to the show in their eyes and then calls them lazy for not bringing anything to the podcast. all of that being said, i don’t think trisha is in the right in any sense, but they do have grounds to be frustrated at ethan for interrupting them. it definitely blew up and trisha needs to stop using the terms “triggered” and “gaslighting” because they are way overused in her vocabulary. trisha is def in the wrong overall, but ethan also didn’t handle the situation as well as he could have knowing how trisha processes things. just want to make it clear.

[@carlysanchez1020]

@@kayla4549 I appreciated this response!

[@stephstrawgames]

Honestly, they just interrupt each other all the time. Ethan has done it a lot, too.

[@oliviacalleja759]

the only person i can really think of right now is Hila. She's having twins or triplets for christ sake. I hope she is doing well and i hope Ethan is doing well enough mentally to be able to look after her.

[@FukaiKokoro]

I honestly think that’s something that triggered Trisha off even if it was subconsciously. Because Trisha obviously has issues with infertility. As do I. I couldn’t even watch the podcast where they announced their pregnancy, it was very upsetting. Like obviously I’m not upset they are having the kids, it’s more of a feeling of self hatred. But sometimes it may seem like I am upset with the people having the kid. I’m not it just seems like I am because my mood goes very negative.

[@KA-ek5yv]

I'm also thinking about Moses he's stuck between both his family and his fiancee

[@MissyRichmond]

@@FukaiKokoro I get that. When I was trying to get pregnant, I felt so jealous of pregnant women and people with little babies. It turned out that I can’t get pregnant and eventually had a full hysterectomy. I remember setting at my ob/gyn trying not to cry looking at the pregnant women. It messes with your mind.

[@katieholm6904]

Yeah, she even said she was uncomfortable with the "Pregnancy announcement" title with her face, because she has been trying to get pregnant for a while.

[@thekng8975]

Hila has said in the past when Trisha acts crazy like this I hurts her relationship between her brother (Moses) and their mother! You really think Trisha cares tho? She doesn’t care

[@CrewellGamer]

You nailed the Trisha cycle: 1) be an asshole 2) make excuses 3) play the victim 4) make video after video after video of steps 2 & 3. I feel bad for anyone who has to work with them. Trisha seems very entitled and thoughtless towards others.

[@jumbolumps666]

DARVO

[@ayla8345]

Her excuses pretty much always include her saying that she has mental health issues and was at a low point in her life + crying. And people will forgive her again. It’s an endless cycle. There are never any real consequences for her. She can literally get away with anything because she will always blame her mental health for it.

[@trishc8390]

I feel bad, I was watching just to see her do this. My cousin kept saying Trisha changed. Nope just a temporary situation.

[@Glambutfirstcoffee]

SHE! HER! Is she a sheep group? what them? or is your English bad? Stop the woke bullshit and be a man lol

[@CrewellGamer]

@@Glambutfirstcoffee I used the pronouns Trisha has stated they prefer. Why be a jackass and act butthurt about something that doesn't involve you?

[@ashleymejiaa]

the rudest thing here was her saying giving advice to her fans and answer their questions was annoying and boring . as if her fans don’t look up to her and go through shit and want her advice. Trisha cries for everything and victimized herself a lot .

[@hazykitten799]

Sounds like Rylan Adams whining about his fans

[@Itskenny-]

Thissss

[@Monkprom]

Thank goodness she instead proved why no one should be looking up to her or taking her advice

[@brittcuz1321]

I think its only fair to also do ethans video. Its his side of the story and i think that should be noted.

[@glutenfreetaquito562]

Ethan has Tourette’s which might make it hard for him to get a ‘baseline’ since some movements might be tics we are unaware of

[@ashg2895]

I would also love for Observe to film a video analyzing Ethan's video & Trisha's multiple video response.

[@genericname8727]

@@glutenfreetaquito562 tics are part of the body language you read though. They increase with agitation, for example. He has Tourette’s still in other footage you’d watch to establish the baseline

[@jasongreen6826]

Logan is on Ethan’s side so that’s the side this video is being made on

[@jasongreen6826]

@@genericname8727 it’s gotten so much worse over the years so no 🤣

[@kiss4strawberry]

Everytime he's dressed up like Uncle Fester something bad happens.

[@shiftnix9647]

It's the pizza curse!

[@yessicabobadilla317]

Trisha is probably triggered by Uncle Fester somehow lol

[@roslyn3812]

it’s the pizza and uncle fester

[@roslyn3812]

@@yessicabobadilla317 i wouldn’t doubt it

[@jessisamess8]

🤣

[@Maiden_to_mother]

She’s “gaslighting” Ethan by saying she’s not upset when she’s clearly upset and then blaming Ethan for gaslighting for calling her out for being upset. The chick is UPSET. And her actions after this prove it further.

[@cassiec9008]

Literally. It was extremely clear to all of us she was upset in some way shape or form. She was trying to turn it against him and victimize herself

[@xocreme]

Yeah even the maker of this video who studies expressions professionally can tell she’s agitated. She was gaslighting by saying she wasn’t.

[@dvduadotcom]

SHE LACKS SELF AWARENESS

[@2ShayZeeGe]

She made herself upset by cornering him into backtracking what he has said. He is just a human. He was only trying to make her feel better. I feel bad for him because he was cornered into a crap situation

[@leckmich5452]

trisha may have not been realizing they are upset because of her BPD, it makes you constantly so stressed you often don't know how pissed you are when something is happening + someone telling you how you feel is very triggering

[@Glitch4Twitch]

It's NOT gaslighting when the person is accurately interpreting another person's emotion. She is clearly in denial of her feelings; she is upset, but is not admitting it. Ethan correctly i.d.'ed it. To Trisha's credit, she used her tools by trying to end the the situation before it escalated.

[@cayleece7890]

Yes, I think that was the only thing she/they did right. Trisha made it less of a train-wreck by removing herself from the situation. Shame it happened though 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@gamertwig3909]

It couldn’t have really escalated further anyway because than just doesn’t allow her to trigger him when she attacks him. I think she always leaves because she knows she’s the only one reacting to the situations she causes

[@squiddyft.insecurities3549]

well trisha can’t process her emotions well so maybe she didn’t know she was upset

[@Glitch4Twitch]

@@squiddyft.insecurities3549 Perhaps. And Ethan should not have to deal with her problem.

[@squiddyft.insecurities3549]

@@Glitch4Twitch mmh well that’s not for you to decide

[@CrAzyBlueMonkey396]

For someone who sees a therapist four times a week, she sure doesnt know how to deal with her emotions in any constructive way.

[@sw8228]

I hope Trisha knows that therapy isn't just to untangle trauma but to build positive coping mechanisms and realize it's noones job but Trisha's to deal with their emotions

[@thekalenichannel1812]

BPD takes a lot of therapy lol, it was never gonna be quick

[@carlyjs95]

@@myopinion6748 you can state your opinion without personally attacking someone. That was incredibly rude.

[@edelleaa]

@@lynzeep7055 was just gonna say it makes sense if her therapist is like doctor drew lol cuz he definitely played favourites with her..

[@thisismeXonline]

well gosh i hope they see someone about that

[@BelleMichele99]

trisha saying the questions her fans sent in were “not interesting” is ruder than anything ethan said on this whole thing

[@mscookie3613]

I agree. Why is everyone focusing on her calling the segment trash rude to the employee. BISH IT WAS RUDE TO US FANS TOO 😤😠

[@skarletcharity]

Not gonna lie, the question I sent was "what do I do about my heavy flow and wide-set vagina".

[@gmailaccount3423]

I get what Trisha meant though. I couldn’t care less about other people’s questions. Boring segment.

[@dustydo8048]

I feel like a whole discussion on making jokes about GH murdering Trisha and fans knocking on her car window on the way to the podcast, perhaps she wasn’t in the mental state to touch base with fans? Trishas response was ineffective to gain a result that helped Trish get what she needed though. Trisha obviously needs help learning how to effectively get people to work with her.

[@cassiec9008]

@@gmailaccount3423 but imagine how a fan would feel if their question was picked and they were recognized by Ethan and Trisha. How happy they’d be

[@xlnuniex]

I think Trisha is so upset that Hila and Ethan are having more children... while I remember her saying years ago that she can’t have children. It’s not right what Trisha did. They didn’t do anything wrong. They weren’t bragging with the “recycled” topics. They are announcing that Hila is pregnant again. They were trying very hard to get pregnant again. They are happy. Let them be happy. Because Trisha isnt happy... then oooo no. Grow up Trisha

[@lilnabii]

common.. the 'topics' that day were so boring i had to keep pausing and doing something else it was so boring. I never even bother with the last 10 /20 mins nothing was worth hearing it was old news and very slow.

[@valeriepasqua9390]

She said recycled title which it was... they already announced the pregnancy on h3 podcast so it wasn’t an announcement. Not hard to get.

[@Vicosin]

@@valeriepasqua9390 This ignores the fact that some viewers who watch/listen to Frenemies, may not listen to the H3 podcast. So while to some who watch both might see it as "recycled", it really isn't when it's 2 different podcasts targeted toward 2 different groups of viewers. That's like saying you can't show the same cartoon/show on two different channels because it's "recycled." Or that one news channel can't report on the same story as another news channel cause it's "recycled content." It really isn't out of the ordinary/repetitive for Ethan to want to make the announcement on both podcasts.

[@valeriepasqua9390]

@@Vicosin I don’t watch or listen to other h3. The title was recycled because it was already used. That’s all there really is to it.

[@jhart1127]

I think you are assuming a heck of a lot of personal issues there, Lauren. Particularly then telling them to "grow up". You assumed all of that narrative. I wouldn't put that on someone without knowing if it's true. It's an incredibly difficult and painful subject to poke.

[@SpookieVonDookie]

Trisha: Advice segments are lazy Also Trisha: *films mukbangs*

[@springlady8337]

She doesn’t edit or make deep videos so I didn’t get that either.

[@Kubulek17]

Because she doesn’t have a whole crew working on her mukbangs. It’s just her and a camera

[@hahehehoho1271]

@@Kubulek17 other mukbangers still edit their videos and actually put effort into making the video interesting

[@Kubulek17]

@@hahehehoho1271 ok but Trisha doesn’t ? That’s their whole brand

[@Celeste-jh2lj]

I dont think it should matter if the segments are lazy. The segments are about the fans and making them feel heard. Calling them lazy or uninteresting shows a lack of care for her fans

[@xCarxRadiox]

It's SOOO frustrating because many of us fans would LOVE a Q&A or an advice segment. It's not "lazy" it's actually engaging with your VIEWERS!

[@unastardust8629]

For real if Trish really didnt like it they could have shortened it or something

[@stephaniemoore8013]

I do think advice segments are fun but lazy content. In my opinion. Because you dont have to plan anything ahead of time for the podcast.

[@xCarxRadiox]

@@stephaniemoore8013 They have to gather questions ahead of time since it’s not live. It would be lazy content if they did it often, but I don’t think they’ve done it before? I could be wrong.

[@clementine8853]

i listen to emma chamberlain’s podcast and i LOVE when she posts her advice sessions. you are 100% correct when you say it’s engaging for the viewers

[@Earthboundmisfit1]

Our questions are dumb according to her

[@fawnresponse]

Glad you pointed out that Trisha misused the word gaslighting, and that it was used to manipulate. Fans of Trisha have really ran with that word 🙄 I know people want to see them work it out, but with the history of Trisha’s behavior, I think it’s for the best for it to end. I enjoy After Dark and Off The Rails better. The hypocrisy and self absorbed behavior Trisha has displayed time and time again is exhausting. I’m tired of giving them the benefit of the doubt. I’ve had a friend like Trisha and it is traumatizing and tiring. They will always paint themselves as the victim.

[@jennifergomez4973]

JUST LIKE GABBIE.

[@tberry2510]

@@ashg2895 I understand why people don't like this... but at this point, triggered has a colloquial meaning and to argue against is pretty futile. The word has been completely re-contextualized by mainstream social media.

[@imaDUCKIE11]

@@ashg2895 I use the same language as her because I use humor to cope with my extreme mental illnesses. But I dont misuse gaslighting and what not, thats different.

[@seanceknowles2911]

Compassion fatigue, exhausting the people who try to help again and again.

[@beccy2188]

@@ashg2895 how does she overuse them? You're simultaneously complaining that she doesnt say what she means and also tells ppl when shes triggered. What do you want her to do? Who are you to dictate whether ppl are triggered or not? She has diagnosed MH issues, so why are you claiming shes lying about being triggered?

[@LADY_Orchid]

The rest of the podcast is important. She lies about not knowing who the characters they dressed up are and makes it extremely awkward. There's also the fact that when Ethan promotes his brand Teddy Fresh (in other podcasts), he has to do it quickly or she gets really annoyed/demeaning and the very beginning of this podcast was her promoting her skin care line for quite a long time, but demanding respect that she herself can't seem to grant Ethan in return. In the background there's been a lot of fans complaining about her on reddit because she likes to call out people for being problematic/predators, but then she turns around and poses with the same kind of people (social repose) and even shows off about her porn with this really problematic individual as if nothing (I forgot his name but if I find the time I will edit this post). H3 fans or just viewers of the show in general who have seen her go, are tired of her hypocrisy. I really really wished her the best and that this was her turning a new leaf, finding a better entourage etc but all it's served is to show me that even if her environment is better, she still finds a way to mess it up. She just says she goes to therapy. Therapy gives people tools to get better, but those tools need to be applied and seeing how she responded, I don't think she's getting much out of therapy at all. That's not Ethans fault or anyone else's. She has to do the effort and has to do the work. She said so herself, having a mental illness isn't an excuse for being a shit person. She should apply it to herself. Your video confirms that Ethan wasn't being delusional when he perceived anger/agitation/frustration from Trisha, but she kept lying about it. If anything, she was gaslighting herself (perhaps via some disassociation, she has claimed to have Dissassociative Identity Disorder in the past, her ex gf who has DID made a video about it).

[@rose-de6ns]

thats the thing, trisha has also said how she always ruins things for her even if its good. which is a common thing to do with some mental illnesses. i hope she gets better and as you said; she needs to apply the tools her therapist(s) have provided her and work on mindfullness, otherwise she will never change for the better.

[@en-ship1490]

They/them

[@JCdevoss]

@@en-ship1490 she self-admittedly goes by both pronouns

[@marielijauregui4302]

THIS!

[@rose-de6ns]

@@en-ship1490 trisha goes by she/her and they/them

[@amcx777]

Trisha learns a big word and uses it every chance she gets. She wasn’t being gaslighted.

[@HipHopAnotomus]

They didn't even learn the word because their definition wasn't even correct.

[@nikkijen8138]

They was literally gaslighting Ethan, being upset but trying to convince Ethan that he’s just imagining it or that he making that up.

[@whalesnamedshark]

Yea I feel like it’s so normal to be like “hey ur getting upset” to someone who’s getting a bit agressive and agitated with you

[@amcx777]

@@whalesnamedshark I agree, cuz I want to make them feel better if they are.

[@maddiealexis4483]

@@whalesnamedshark well to be fair he’s aware of her being upset and at the same time is egging it in and not ending the show

[@mscookie3613]

I know a lot of people don’t think Ethan should’ve ever posted the frenimies podcast, or should’ve edited out the fight. BUT can you imagine how much Trisha would spin this situation and how little ethen would have to defend himself if they didn’t post the full unedited episode?

[@EmpressEllie]

No, she made it really clear she was uncomfortable and (edited here) I THINK they shouldn’t have posted it. (Edit:) sorry for the mix up, I also didn’t know that Trisha wanted it to be posted)

[@type1d760]

That and it wouldn’t make sense and we would all be confused.

[@jovanastamenkovic2178]

@@EmpressEllie no they said to post it but they're shocked that ethan actually did it

[@fharhunachoudhury2434]

True

[@cindykun3607]

@@EmpressEllie no she doesn’t know what the hell she wants and anything they do is always wrong anyways

[@ashleyrussell5699]

He tried to include her in the beginning and she said on one of the podcast that he texted her to much, and if he continued that she would quit. It’s her own fault that she didn’t have more say.

[@bethalicia]

Exactly! Closed mouths don’t get fed

[@anbk6376]

Trisha keeps contradicting themselves 🤦🏻‍♀️ (edit: pronouns)

[@chelseyt7091]

I forgot about that!

[@alanna4499]

i wish she would’ve just said “don’t talk over me” in that moment, they would’ve avoided almost this entire situation. ethan doing one rude thing opens the door for her to criticize anything and everything, which is what she typically chooses to do in response instead of just calling him out for the thing he did specifically. this would actually deescalated most of their arguments, once one thing triggers her she immediately switches to a mode where she will only spew negativity about anything she can to hurt the other person.

[@AffirmationsWithAlex]

She seemed unwilling to admit her feelings like she wasn’t valid in being upset about him cutting her off so she went for a meat that she had iffy feelings about and just railed forward for the disarm and try to make him feel the same way so she wasn’t alone in feeling the way she did

[@TheCatWrangler]

EXACTLY

[@grinpark7480]

@@AffirmationsWithAlex so so spot on !!

[@varanchio]

She was irritated from the beginning, i think it was an excuse to let out her aggression.so i feel like it would happened inevitably even if Ethan apologized

[@lulularue6292]

Trisha only knows how to negotiate with men through sexuality. Since Ethan is not even remotely attracted to her, she then uses other tactics to win, none of these tactics are those of a strong self confident business woman and every time she LOSES, it’s obvious she knows nothing about negotiation and having personal boundaries.

[@lissaw4]

I actually would love to see you do Ethan's video. I feel like that was the first time he allowed some of his anger, hurt, frustration and defeat out a bit. Honestly, it's been a _long_ time coming and he still kept it at minimum.

[@deanalynn1026]

I would love him todo Ethan’s Video as well 🧐🧐 I believe if he doesn’t watch them regularly then he wouldn’t realize that Ethan is showing A lot of emotion through that clip but to anyone just now researching this because it’s trending well-> Trisha is way more expressive & animated in her video’s, while Ethan is more flat rate & steady through his own video.

[@Jae_Cee]

I think Observe would have to navigate the fact that Ethan is diagnosed with Tourette's and how that would throw off the reading

[@kathleenistalking]

especially about trisha tokenizing his tourettes and calling him jewy. that is unacceptable. not to mention it goes against trisha’s new persona of the ultimate ally

[@tennesseewarminster8591]

I would love to see an analysis of Ethan's video too.

[@lissaw4]

@@Jae_Cee I agree, he definitely needs to be aware of this factor.

[@Shantebaker]

Ethan was a little rude with interrupting her, but they interrupt each other quite a bit. You're right in that it normally wouldn't have been a big deal, but their moods were off the entire podcast. At the beginning Trisha went on this rant about hating the costumes and how she basically gets forced into them and Ethan was genuinely confused and argued with her a bit before dropping it, and we later learned she told him over text before the podcast that the characters they were dressed as were from her favorite movie. I'd have loved to see you do a read of that segment!

[@jennifergomez9265]

Thank you common sense finally from someone

[@KimHeartsOrganizing]

Yes! I feel like everyone is forgetting that they interrupt each other all the time.

[@Meanie74]

Yea that complaint could have been legitimate if Trisha didn’t over react to an unbecoming degree. When you do something more wrong than the person you’re complaining about, your complaints get overshadowed by your bad behavior, despite how valid they may be.

[@nos5915]

Trish uses they/them Btw

[@Shantebaker]

@@nos5915 she/they according to Instagram bio

[@recklessmermaid]

Are we just ignoring the fact that ethan's big rude "interruption" was literally just him offering crew pizza? I'm like Trisha: i never stop talking, and i never take a break to breathe, and i talk a mile a minute. I TELL ppl to PLEASE interrupt me and don't wait for me to finish because i never will! As a fellow talker, Trish has to be way more chill with ppl needing to actually communicate during one our big soliloquies, you can't expect to hold the floor uninterrupted for minutes on end.

[@mscookie3613]

Not only crew, Trisha said it themselves thay ethan was offering Moses (their fiance) the piece of pizza. So they got triggered bc Ethan was being nice to again - THEIR OWN FIANCÉ. it’s mind boggling how annoying and over reactive Trisha is.

[@thehighpriestexx]

This! Ty for bringing this up. It's not like he interrupted her to ask a question and prevented her from continuing what she was going to say. He was trying to be mindful of everyone. I suppose the perfect thing to do would've been to wait until she was done to say something, but I do think its understandable to place your bets on that pause to be a long time in the making considering her history lol. You want to give your attention to someone when they're talking, and especially when you're on a show that involves that, but I also think the offense level was a bit high especially considering that they were making it about it being an LGBTQ topic. It's not homophobia homie, it just happened to happen lol.

[@racheld4418]

She says she’s in therapy 4 days a week and I genuinely wonder if they teach her how to control her triggers. He talked over her and she had no control and went straight to insulting. Horrible

[@hayleykarschner7386]

@@mscookie3613 she said Moses was already eating pizza it was very clear he was when Ethan asked and also she was talking about something sensitive to her she is apart of the lgbtq+ community and she was talking g about how they are still being killed for being gay or trans etc and how it needs to stop and he decided that it was okay to cut her off in that moment cause what it wasn't important enough for him to listen to and encourage others to be nice and welcoming to those in the community

[@HipHopAnotomus]

I think the issue is WHAT Ethan interrupted. It's pride month, and Trisha was in the middle of talking about how gay and trans people are assaulted and murdered. It's a really important topic to Trisha and the rest of the LGBTQ+ community. It's a human rights issue, and Trisha was trying to use their platform to talk about it. That doesn't excuse how Trisha chose to respond, but Ethan's timing was extremely ignorant and tactless. Just because he was being nice to Moses with what he interrupted with doesn't change the fact that he interrupted a serious topic and didn't seem to take it seriously even before that point. He seemed to be thinking that Trisha was just bringing up an old movie randomly when they were actually intentionally bringing it up to lead into a bigger discussion about LGBTQ+ challenges in modern day. I don't condone how Trisha chose to respond, but I think this is a factor that is overlooked in how and why this conversation went downhill so fast. I think Trisha dissing the fan segment had nothing to do with the segment or the crew; they were being petty and because they felt like Ethan was acting like what they were saying was stupid/unimportant, then they would act like his/other ideas were stupid/unimportant.

[@tartnouveau3652]

I think it’s also important to note that Ethan’s the one producing the podcast, he’s at a bigger financial risk, and actually knows how to produce things. Trisha doesn’t even edit her own rant videos, maybe all of her “ideas” were rejected because they were too complicated to produce for a podcast? It seems like she takes a lot of stuff personally, but she’s essentially hired talent for this podcast…and I think Ethan was actually pretty generous in the deal he offered her. He’s not perfect but it seems like he tries to be as fair as he can from a financial standpoint with regards to his crew and Trisha. I know she said it wasn’t about money but she seemed to insinuate that she wasn’t treated fairly when it came to the percentage she made from the show as well as her production input, which I don’t think is true.

[@veganbutfreakingwithyourda4402]

You came out with this QUICK we love to see it.

[@PattrikWinchester]

He’s not even wearing pants

[@veganbutfreakingwithyourda4402]

@@PattrikWinchester as he shouldn’t

[@mramos98x]

What you meant to say was Thank you

[@veganbutfreakingwithyourda4402]

@@mramos98x i meant what I said lol

[@brady9592]

Love to see it, easy click

[@courtney1862]

At what point do people have to stop coddling a grown ass woman?

[@plastictree7635]

If only people listened to the communities she’s offended.

[@youarelikepapa]

The only people who defend her at this point are people who see themselves reflected in her behaviour. She is sooo over the top toxic all the time. There’s a reason she can’t keep any friends.

[@naomih1073]

Trisha makes EVERYTHING public. She makes everyone but her into the bad guy and then throws an absolute fit if anyone says anything to or about her in public. It is ridiculous and so hypocritical.

[@seaneric3517]

True, but she's usually proving right about people way too often.. Dobrik, Dawson, etc. It's like a pattern.. 1) new collaborator 2) drama 3) she calls them a liar & manipulator publicly 4) viewers call her crazy& try to cancel her 5) months/years later they get exposed 6) everyone says," OMG Trish was right all along 7) repeat a year later 😳😂 3)

[@ashapnw3109]

Ethan made this podcast public… he very easily could’ve just made an announcement that this weeks episode of frenemies wouldn’t be aired 😬

[@polarbearsrus6980]

And, she seems narcissistic as hell, duh!!!

[@youtubewontletmetypeagoodu8128]

@@ashapnw3109 she said to post it

[@bobbiedaniel9347]

I don't think that's true, she says a lot of bad things about herself to be honest She's very self-aware. But she calls people out on their shit and not everybody does. does it need to be public? probably not. But these people live public lives so I guess where is the line

[@KaylaMarie_]

It's so strange that Trisha insists that Ethan's ideas are not good considering how successful the podcast was.

[@annas8540]

Seriously. Her only suggestions are like "Can we get Joe Biden as a guest?" Or something else basically impossible. Like Ethan said in his video addressing the situation, having ideas is one thing but making them happen is another.

[@user-md3ji5pw9z]

In her mind the podcast was only successful bc of her name and her showing up.. she really is narcissistic

[@ljb5163]

She also thought the trivia episode would be so boring and not get any views when there were SO MANY memes just from that episode lol

[@sheiks65]

This is missing a huge chunk of the podcast people were mad about. When Trisha called Hila's pregnancy announcement "recycled content".

[@rose-de6ns]

EXACTLY. and i honestly think trisha got like jealous or offended in some way bc of the announcement, since she has talked about being infertile etc. like its either that or she just wants all the attention to be on herself. it also always feels as if shes constantly competing against women around her

[@sheiks65]

@@rose-de6ns I agree. While I can appreciate her struggle of infertility, cause that's a horrible thing to have to suffer through, it isn't fair to push that trauma on others. Especially someone having a kid. Ethan's face when she said that was so heartbreaking...

[@sophia5880]

This and then she brought up the financials of it. You should never do that in public. Ethan is at the bigger financial risk. She said she comes up with all these ideas, but she doesn’t think about all the work and effort and money would go into doing those things. Such as getting the crew there, how much money, making sure nothing goes wrong. She was in the wrong here

[@ChillwithLaurenZen]

IN fairness to Trisha i thought this was a fair comment. I clicked on the video thinking 'oo is Trisha pregnant too?!' because it was titled pregnancy announcement. When they said it was Hila it struck me as odd... i think Trisha is worthy of a lot of other critique, but i'm with them on this on, it was weird.

[@sheiks65]

@@ChillwithLaurenZen Yeah i kinda felt that too but also feel if she had that much of an issue with it, Ethan probably would've been fine altering the title. Just bad communication that built up and came out all at once...

[@ashg2895]

When Ethan interrupted Trisha I believe there was something going on with a crew member in the forefort that caught Ethan's attention, & distracted him from what Trisha was saying. Some people get easily distracted. It was rude of him... but I don't think he meant to be rude, he was just trying to make sure everyone had pizza.

[@ayla8345]

I don’t think it was that rude. These are his employees and someone obviously asked him something or needed something in that moment. What was he supposed to do? Just ignore them? Who cares if a conversation gets interrupted for a second? This is such a small and basic thing we all get interrupted. Imagine her working a normal job and someone interrupts her. What is she gonna do? Start throwing chairs?

[@JLynnEchelon]

I think Trisha was justified in being annoyed that Ethan was ignoring her while she was talking about something she's passionate about. It's not just about some 15 year old movie. She was talking about LGBT+ issues and he was dismissive of it. I get that, and would have been on Trisha's side if she had kept it to that. It was unprofessional to talk about the crew and money like that, and rude to the fans to say that their questions are uninteresting and stupid.

[@majoriechalamet9327]

@@ayla8345 it was rude considering Trisha was talking about how gay, trans, and anyone in the LGBT community still gets beat up, killed, and hated for loving who they love. A very serious topic to talk about. Trisha was passionate about this topic considering she’s a part of the community and also it’s pride month. I highly doubt Ethan meant to be rude, but I feel like if it was any other conversation that was light-hearted I think Trisha wouldn’t have reacted that badly. And this is me not defending Trisha, I’m actually very pissed at Trisha for the way they treated the crew and Ethan. I’m just pointing out it is very rude to interrupt someone by having a side conversation with someone else, especially since this was a very important topic, but Trisha shouldn’t have reacted the way they did.

[@aristotle4655]

He was offering Moses, trisha's fiance, a slice of pizza. Trisha said it in one of her latest videos.

[@Nakia11798]

It was bad manners really, but not that rude. She could be held off her sentence for a few seconds until the crew was less distracting.

[@PoonaniiTsunamii]

Ethan cutting Trisha off: rude, but not intended to hurt emotionally Trisha: rude, but intentionally done to spite Ethan That’s the difference 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@gracebaum]

*Underrated comment*

[@noracherry666]

exactly!!!!

[@betterbetty3542]

EXACTLY!!

[@eptile]

I have bipolarism, and I'm not defending Trishas actions. But it isn't that cut and dry. I've said horrible things in a moment, it's almost like a defense. Which is fucked. It's like constantly fucking yourself over.

[@kittyem63]

how?

[@gr1is0nline]

Yes it’s rude to interrupt someone in the middle of a conversation but I also think it would’ve been rude to keep eating pizza in front of someone without offering any. I think Ethan just wanted to make sure people were taken care of before diving too much into the pizza.

[@travellinganxious]

Please react to Ethan's side, it is very telling. Yes Ethan talked over Trisha in the moment but my man has Tourette's and ADHD, it happens and he's not terrible for it. Also Trisha talks over Ethan every episode, like actually every episode. Ethan never sticks up for himself in fear of Trisha getting upset. Which is exactly what happened. Edit: ALSO they have to keep the episodes to a max of 2 hours and Trisha just shows up and starts talking about other topics that weren’t planned for and Ethan has to try and keep them on topic or they won’t get to the good segments at the end, which happens all the time.

[@mooma10]

!!!

[@cassiec9008]

Trisha also cut Ethan off to talk about broke back mountain which is a complete topic change whereas he just quickly asked if his employees had pizza and showed no signs of changing the topic or stopping her from talking

[@mooma10]

Isn't that multi_tasking? I do it all the time. Listening to someone and quickly saying something to someone else

[@aderyn7600]

@@mooma10 yeah I thought that was normal but it explains why I'd always get in trouble as a kid

[@phatface]

@@mooma10 i do it all the time I didn't think it was rude until I started working in customer service and other people would do it to me🤣

[@jewels1743]

“and i know that makes me look like an asshole” “thats because you are trisha” that made me laugh so much i just didnt see that coming

[@erinreyehair]

That’s Because his videos are usually not this biased and personally insulting lol he’s clearly triggered by Trisha and bringing his own bias and history into this analysis

[@ravenoctober9936]

@@erinreyehair I mean almost for any outsider its clear Trisha is taking this way too far and is a large part of what went wrong. No one is 100% innocent here but jesus Trisha is just so extreme here. And clearly very manipulative. You dont have to be apart of this circle to see that. They way she used her emotions and weaponized them against Ethan is just wrong. I grew up around abusive people like that, it truly disgusts me to see it. Like he said she has the right to be upset but she needs to learn to work through her emotions and take more accountability.

[@andij4163]

It's very frustrating to watch Trisha use gaslighting tactics while telling someone else they're gaslighting them.

[@claire___]

Ethan speaks over everyone, Hila in most cases. It is rude, however, he does it, it wasn't just pulled on Trisha for any particular reason. It's just a rude trait. My sister talk over everyone, we call it out in the moment. Trisha just takes the smallest thing she finds a major slight, and then gets vindictive. It's an over-the-top defense move.

[@pikku_myy3755]

It's what Ethan says. He says we talk like friends, we are friends so if that would be true Trisha would be like "don't talk over me", but no, they needed drama.

[@shumshai]

Ethan has Tourette's and sometimes that is part of his tics

[@Lilith_Emrys]

@@shumshai Being rude isn't a tic

[@lindseypalmer5969]

I noticed him talking over Hila. She seems really paitient and chill

[@Th3RapidFir3]

@@Lilith_Emrys Tourette’s is weird, because you have symptoms of adhd which is what I take it as. He said he is no longer on adderal, and when my brother isn’t on his meds he’ll talk over a whole group of people.

[@Sunshine-ug5pb]

I'm a person with BPD. I'll be honest in saying that this is honestly a slap in the face as to how I act sometimes when I'm not managing things. To see her get upset, but try to suppress it rather than talk through it with Ethan showed me what it looks like when my emotions are too much to verbalize whats going on with me. She should have taken a minute there. The unresolved feelings boiling over into a huge knockout blow out fight over something meaningly small... and disregard how it made the other person feel.. The self realization is real today for me. I have had fights like this. I've sat on my feelings and then started trying to burn bridges over it. I really hope Trisha realizes she's in the wrong. This is the perfect example of a time to be putting what she should be learning in therapy into PRACTICE. Recognizing the toxic traits in yourself is the first step to improving life.

[@dr-mon-v3i]

thats beautifull to see that you can recognize something like this in yourself. It is not easy :) congrats ;)

[@rowanhallett9539]

Thank you for sharing this! I have to admit I saw a *lot* of myself in their initial blow-up with Ethan; Logan's comment about knowing the words to say, but having an emotional block in front of saying them really hit home for me. I had that same visceral reaction when Ethan talked over Trisha, I recognize how easily it comes to lash out with something cutting intended only to wound the other person so you're both "back on the same level." Denial and emotional distancing to make the other person "come after you" and prove that you're worthy. And this happens in an instant, before you're even really aware of it - so I can empathize and I dont believe that the delayed exit strategy was tactical or intentional. I think they realized that they were out of their depth when they were already fighting to keep their head above water. Which makes their follow up video so *SO* much more frustrating because if they did feel genuine remorse it should have been dealt with privately, and then a statement released once everything is resolved. Rather than being a moment of authenticity and accountability, from which so many people could have learned and taken away something meaningful, it just reinforces the idea that people like this, like me, are just being over-emotional drama queens for attention, which is the exact opposite of what we actually need. It's not easy - I wish you the best for your mental health journey. [Edited to fix pronouns]

[@kellyc4015]

Ethan most likely didn't even realize he was interrupting her. I do this all the time, I lose focus (very ADD, hard to control sometimes) but the other person tells me what I did and I apologize. She would NOT admit that she was upset and tell him what he did that upset her. Poor guy 😢

[@jay8992]

That’s what I was thinking because I do the same as you said! While it is very rude, you can see across all h3 podcasts that Ethan can sometimes get distracted easily. I do not think he meant to be rude either.

[@jay8992]

@Bad Kitty honestly practicing self awareness , apologizing, and explaining to people you are currently working on your communication skills is a big help! I sometimes still do it but others know that I do not mean to dismiss them and have been working diligently and successfully at completely exiting that behavior out of my system!

[@marlondavis9450]

To me he was acting like that because he knows almost everyone seen that movie already & knows what scene she was talking about. He was trying very hard to be patient but he's a jittery tourettesy type guy.

[@elisabethochoa1125]

My boyfriend does it to me all the time and doesn’t notice it when it does it so I try my best to be calm to remind him even if it gets annoying because he doesn’t notice in the moment when he does it

[@blubeel]

my boyfriend and i do this to each other because he has ADD and i have ADHD. we’ve just gotten into the habit of telling each other when we’re doing it. we apologize and continue our conversation; it would have been easy for trisha to do this, but i feel like she has absolutely no communication skills :/

[@hr-qe6io]

Yes, Ethan was rude to interrupt her monologue but are we not going to talk about the fact that she started the new topic on purpose? She did not want to do the "stupid segment" so she wanted to talk about a movie that is old news at this point instead. And the whole episode was about Trisha anyways with her new skincare products and the beef with Gabbie Hannah so god forbid they do a small segment together with Ethan.

[@genericname8727]

While I think the segment with the advice is good, Trisha probably wanted to talk about it because it’s Pride month. Trisha expressed excitement for pride month in previous episodes too. I think talking about Brokeback Mountain was just meant as a launching point for a discussion about LGBT+ rights. Dismissing it as “old news” is part of why she’s so upset (not that I’m on her side; I think she was justifiably upset but not at all justified in how she behaved after becoming upset).

[@hr-qe6io]

@@genericname8727 Yeah you are right but it's not like it is the first time this topic came up. They both are loud supporters of the LGBTQ+ community and discuss these issues quite often. I just think Trisha's reaction was disproportionate because this is just a movie. Just as when she said she doesn't want to finish watching Schindler's list; it was not to offend jewish people nor to understate or ignore their struggle and history. Not wanting to go deep into Brokeback Mountain is the same for me.

[@kp1271]

Regarding the skincare and marketing, we have zero idea what was decided. They talk so much about this behind the scenes and we have no idea how they settled it. They're both super good at selling.

[@user-qy1pg7dl8v]

Yesses! I've been saying this all over KZbin she was railroading the conversation from the beginning of the show! Trisha is very selfish!

[@saulg.hodgers3624]

@@hr-qe6io I agree completely! Also Trisha has a history of trivializing and fetishizing lgbtq+ topics so it’s not like people are expecting them to be super serious every time they bring it up

[@majo9935]

The thing it’s, that Ethan is the boss! It’s his company, his money and his people who are doing all the work and paying all the bills, Trisha just shows up once a week and talks! He’s the producer and does all the job, of course there is a power dynamic but it’s his company, and he’s also 50% of the entreteinment! So it’s not fair of Trisha, to do all of that their doing because they don’t do ANYTHING besides show up!

[@nicholas6081]

Trisha should be grateful she’s getting 45% in the first place for what she does

[@caitlin8274]

Thank you! It’s not just that Ethan has more experience in podcasting, Frenemies is made by his production company, they use his staff, equipment, they edit/post the videos, and all Trish does is come up with “ideas”

[@Kaelan-o4r]

like her logic is so flawed too. if she was hired for an apple podcast, would she get any say in the technological crew? no!! her arguments make no sense.

[@mywingsareyours]

didnt trisha literally tell ethan at one point that they just wanted to walk onto the set on monday and didnt want to be stressed out with stuff/planning for the show?

[@corsie3781]

Yes, if I remember correctly she also said in an earlier episode that she thought Ethan contacted her too much about the show and she didnt want to be bothered. Can't have it both ways.

[@Masokitsu]

Yeah I noticed her opinions, statements and moods change direction like wind, then gets upset... Like how she ranted about how much she hated the costume and didn't even know the character and blamed Ethan, but when he presented the idea with a pic beforehand - she said she loved it and it was one of her favorite movies... It's impossible to keep up with for anyone. I understand they have a disorder but people using that as an excuse for her behavior is only enabling their lack of accountability and ultimately making it worse for them.

[@robynedy3477]

Yes and she called her check from frenemies “fun money” so I don’t know why she’s so hung up on 5%

[@bnnyjay]

@@Masokitsu that's bpd for u !! (not excusing their actions at all)

[@peachblossom1221]

@@bnnyjay nope nope nope. Bipolar disorder isn’t about mood swings and changing your mind. Bpd is alternating periods of mania and depression. Trisha is just an entitled narcissist who can’t handle being called out when she’s wrong.

[@KatsPurr]

Fights between Ethan and Trisha were much more prevalent in the early months of Frenemies due to the lack of bonding, the distrust and preconceived notions they had of one another. But for the past months these two literally call each other "besties". They're more trusting, more chill and more comfortable. I notice that Ethan is able to "get away" with teasing Trisha much more these days because she genuinely believes he's on her side. So why this fight now? What has changed? Why the flare up at this particular moment? My theory is "pregnancy envy". Trisha was pronounced infertile by her doctor years ago due to her tubes being messed up, and yet she and Moses have desperately been trying to get pregnant regardless of the miniscule chances. Trying to get pregnant even in of itself is hugely stressful and taxing on a couple's relationship. But then add to the equation the fact the Hila (Ethan's wife) has not only just found out she's pregnant, but that she's SUPER pregnant and they're now expecting twins and there may be even more babies in her belly. Hila was someone that Trisha already felt intimated by and it is true that no matter how civil Hila tries to behave, you can tell there is some disdain simmering under the surface. Trisha just isn't Hila's kind of person and wouldn't typically be the kind of woman she'd hang out with. So Trisha's insecurities regarding Hila are not completely unfounded. Coming back to pregnancy envy, this may be hard for men to understand, but mother nature will bring on bouts of "baby fever" which will make us literally obsessed with becoming pregnant. When you're going through a phase like this, and especially if you're suffering with infertility, it is emotionally very traumatic and hard to handle. My theory is that Trisha is suffering emotionally from Hila's pregnancy (either consciously or subconsciously) and knows that it is going to get harder and harder be present as people grow their excitement around Hila's pregnancy. Thus, creating a "big feud out of nothing" was her way for her to create a protective barrier between her and Hila + Ethan.

[@empac8631]

Glad I’m not the only one who deeply sees the insecurity, jealousy and intimidation between Trisha and Hila. Another point is that she’s a woman that’s heavily important in both men’s lives, Moses and Ethan that is, that creates a competitive nature for a male’s attention with her. Add on that Hila is very thin, beloved by the fan base and crew and has a very successful company that is heavily respected in the fashion world, it would be hard not to be intimidated. But, I love Hila dearly and will always think “you came to the wrong street, cuz” or “whattup big pimps” when I think of her so zero intimidation

[@angelascharmedlife]

💯

[@KatsPurr]

@@empac8631 Absolutely fantastic points you added there on even more reasons for Trisha to feel intimidated, yes yes yes! And it is absolutely not Hila's issue or problem. She's definitely not trying in any way to intimidate Trisha, on the contrary she's tried to accommodate and understand her. It's totally a Trisha self-esteem issue. Not faulting Trisha for that either, as you look back at her experiences and traumas in life and it's completely understandable. They're just like water and oil and just don't mix. Now if Frenemies does continue after all of this, I bet more drama will be on the way the further the pregnancy goes forward. Especially because Ethan seems a bit clueless in regards to being sensitive about Trisha's own pregnancy battles. Had he known just how painful that is for a woman, he'd have never boasted on their show about how "super pregnant" Hila is. In that episode, Trisha was trying to be supportive and happy for them, but you could tell there was pain under the surface.

[@GoogelyeyesSaysHej]

@@KatsPurr ethan is very excited because they’ve struggled with getting pregnant and the only reason they’re having multiples is their fertility treatment. He has every right to announce their pregnancy and shouldn’t have to walk on eggshells

[@empac8631]

@@GoogelyeyesSaysHej I think we all agree on that, she’s simply saying that there’s a deeper explanation that even Trisha themself might not fully realize. It’s instinctual, and then x10000 because of the disorders Trish has and the environment. I truly believe that Trish doesn’t get along with girls/women as a whole usually, that due to being a bigger girl she was most likely bullied by some girls growing up, and because she learned to adapt to rely on sexualization as comedy, bonding, and bringing benefits to her she tends to rely on that heavily for basic personal connection. Look how long she was telling Ethan he must want to sleep with her, even though Ethan is so very clearly inlove with his wife. I think there’s a lot of jealousy of Hila on Trisha’s behalf but I don’t think it’s a coincidence that she blew this episode and made an issue about hiring when a girl was suddenly working there.

[@Strobeliite]

Trisha: I'm not frustrated, stop gaslighting me This guy: Provides evidence as to why she's frustrated

[@jamiedellafave8695]

i’d say the largest piece of evidence with that is that after saying “i’m not frustrated” she LITERALLY said “it’s just frustrating because…” like it couldn’t get more clear. she flat out states that she’s frustrated and why, while also saying that she’s not frustrated 😂😂

[@lilnabii]

do you honestly think she was serious ? LOOK AT HER it's obvious. ethan was saying UPSET and she wasnt at first. and if she said yes Ethan would have blown it up like he has in the past. She was totally in the right to say no to keep things calm and he just kept pushing and pushing. am i the only one with eyes and understanding of bodying lanuage including microticks, and tone. yall just on a band wagon

[@Strobeliite]

@@lilnabii girl watch this video again, she was upset the entire time

[@courtneyg3824]

@@jamiedellafave8695 thank you! I was thinking the same.

[@jaydinelee7181]

@@Strobeliite okay but with BPD the person has difficulty identifying emotions. You guys really don't WANT to understand. You just want to castrate

[@r0ckymarie]

**let me rephrase a few things as people seem to be upset that I expressed my opinion.** She seems like such a toxic person. From everything I have watched of hers and from things she has said, I don’t think she has never had a friend like Ethan(if she continues, what I recognize as toxic behavior, she likely never will again) and it seems like shes actively trying to ruin it.

[@jasminegonzalez6391]

I will never understand how they blame everyone for why their friendships end, Trisha is extremely abusive . I think she enjoys ruining her relationships bc it gives her the attention that she’s even said herself she loves .

[@aa-xy4hg]

how do you know she mever had a friend like etahan? also like what? you have no idea about their relationship just because you watched some podcast

[@HandbagDiva]

They both Admit they don’t talk during the week, just see each other on filming day. They are business partners not friends

[@cursetea49]

you know what i really hate. when some rando tries to tell someone else that they don't really know, how the rest of their life will go. if anything with her trying to heal and better herself(it takes time to rewire the brain to react in healthy ways) in the coming years she'll find a better friend.

[@jaydinelee7181]

@@jasminegonzalez6391 enjoys? No its called self sabotage. Bpds do it a lot.

[@XigXag]

Anyone that has watched H3 pre-frenemies knows that they interrupt each other constantly. Not in a rude way, that’s just how they communicate. Like the sound bites- Ethan will be saying something completely serious and suddenly vin diesel in the background will be saying “Talk to me baby 😏” and the whole crew laughs.

[@Kiah1995]

Remember how we all hated Trisha and then we loved her and now we hate her. I’m kinda done with how I feel about her. How I feel about Ethan is consistent, because he is consistent.

[@SproutsHumanDisguise]

Nah Ethan is inconsistent too just not as extreme as Trish

[@Celeste-jh2lj]

I was never a fan of her. She only warmed up on me a bit bc she reminded me of my little sister

[@danielab1924]

I wouldn’t say I hate her, I’m just disappointed to see that she’s self destructing again. It seemed like she really was changing and taking accountability as well as having a stable support system. So it’s just sad to watch her absolutely burn all the good bridges she worked so hard to create over something that probably wouldn’t have been a big deal had they handled this privately.

[@denamullen340]

Exactly. Let’s stop excusing shit ppls behavior over n over n over. Especially ppl that point out every other thing about others and she’s the worst.

[@aprildetar8779]

@@danielab1924 Very well said 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@Lishkafe]

It's exhausting. She's exhausting. Everything has to be about her.

[@shrek4972]

She is so self centered. I don’t think she liked their pregnancy announcement either bc she doesn’t like not being able to get pregnant. No wonder she scored so high on the personality test on narcissism.

[@jappyhoy]

Ethan genuinely cares so much about her. Even still. It’s so sad that her being a spoiled brat is leaving her blind to it. On a psychology standpoint. She’s had the cycle of things going well and then failing. So when things go well, she sabotages it. Like she’s anticipating that it’s gonna fail and makes the decision to destroy it first to avoid it destroying her.

[@CrownedYeti]

Trisha's "trigger" was subconsciously based around making sure they created a big situation revolving around their feelings simply because they didn't like how Ethan was talking to them. It's Trisha's way of "proving" to him that he hurt them or somehow did something wrong. Textbook narcissism.

[@nathalieandparis]

She’s the worst! So toxic, entitled, narcissistic, materialist. Just the worst type of human out there.

[@jappyhoy]

@@nathalieandparis not the best. But definitely not the worst. That’s a bit dramatic.

[@greeneyedsoutherngirl6468]

I think it’s only right you do Ethan’s side. He was genuinely hurt. And he had so many receipts and valid points!

[@christmastiger]

Unfortunately I don't think he ever will, no shade to Logan but Ethan has Tourette's and I think that makes him harder to "read" and could cause Logan to get things wrong so he might be smartly staying away from that.

[@laurenb35]

Yep! I agree with you with him doing on on Ethan as well.

[@ilovehotmoms5804]

@@christmastiger I don’t think that makes people with those mental conditions impossible to read, probably just harder.

[@christmastiger]

@@ilovehotmoms5804 Tourette syndrome is a condition of the nervous system so not mental health related, and involves facial/body movements--both of which are the main part of reading body language unless you know the individual well. Also his tics were really bad around Trisha so it's not an easy case.

[@emilyward4388]

I’m so glad you called out that SHE was the one gas lighting him.. because she was very clearly upset but made him feel crazy for thinking she was upset & also accused him of being the gaslighter even tho it was her. She tends to say a lot of terms like gaslighting and calls people narcissists whenever she’s actually being that way.

[@Maiden_to_mother]

Trishas words: I’m not upset Her body language: 110% absolutely upset Also, ethans side is important too.. Trisha is so wrong in this situation.

[@andreabennett3762]

i was literally thinking “logan should analyze this situation” i’m so happy lmfao i clicked so fast.

[@JNMKlover]

R u in my head? I'm excited for this more than I can express.

[@nickit7655]

Same!

[@thelilabides]

Same! 😂

[@bluebeaker2389]

LITERALLY SAME

[@Natashajb]

same. big fan of both. wonder what that says about us

[@sophiery339]

i wish ethan’s tourette’s were acknowledged more in this because a lot of his tics are facial and can cause his expressions to appear different than what he might feel. plus stressful situations like their fight can cause tics to be more frequent and intense even in someone like Ethan who has a more mild case of tourette’s.

[@AVERYfunperson]

Cracking up when Logan goes “it’s hard to analyze because profile views...” and not because UNCLE FESTER 😂

[@divyawarrier9081]

Same 😂😂😂

[@kristaparsons3347]

Same lol

[@unastardust8629]

Right the makeup covered his whole face😂

[@EntertainmentOfGameAndWatch]

To everyone sticking up for Trish. She was being abusive. Stop it.

[@maddiealexis4483]

Elaborate

[@LannasMissingLink]

I mean, yes thats true. But why did Ethan publish the video?? I think they're both in the wrong here. He made it public as much as she did

[@Kubulek17]

Did Ethan egg her on after talking about gabbie Hanna and her killing Trisha ? Yes

[@kylagauthier601]

@@LannasMissingLink he knew that either way Trish would bring this to the internet, so it was better to have the fight right up there before she blasted him

[@maddiealexis4483]

@@Kubulek17 ahhhh, yea I don’t know if I see your point

[@Jay_one]

I have been following this situation and it is so heartbreaking!!! Alright so Trisha is saying that she was frustrated with Ethan because he cut her off when she wanted to talk about gay and trans discrimination, which was something she came up with on the spot, instead of going into a segment she was aware was on the agenda for the episode, had been informed about and never complained about up until this point, and THEN she is going to say that her contributions are always disregarded? Obviously they are if that’s how they are brought up! She didn’t discuss with Ethan that it should be a segment on the show so he had to cut her off to get the show back on track. Makes complete sense to me!

[@jasminescott4465]

He only cut her off to offer Moses Pizza. It ain’t that deep. He didn’t cut her off because he didn’t want to talk about trans issues, he was just offering his brother some pizza. She just took it too far. She showed up with a bad attitude that day to begin with.

[@mommajesus]

Honestly they would cut Ethan off with nearly every sentence he tried to get out. They can't get upset about someone cutting them off when they do it. He probably got used to it and didn't realize he was doing it. 😑 **edited to correct pronouns**

[@Jay_one]

@@mommajesus there was pizza on the table. Ethan cannot be held responsible for his actions when pizza is in the vicinity.

[@LadyDynamitez]

@@jasminescott4465 Literally. So minor and so petty to get triggered over that.

[@mommajesus]

@@Jay_one Same here. I change with pizza. 😂

[@HannahLeigh0]

You kinda look like if Dan and Love had a child..

[@dre6587]

I- 😭😭😭

[@sazsha]

HAHSHAHA

[@thekatalexander]

A Love Child if you will 😏

[@262cece]

OMG EXACTLY

[@paulapedrosa6813]

oh my god i cant unsee it now

[@startastictime3529]

Let's also not forget her crapping all over the fact that Ethan talked about his and his wife's pregnancy announcement (of possible triplets) as well. All over from the start Trisha has fetishized the Jewish religion, she's made Ethan uncomfortable because of his terets, she snaps on him and the crew and they have ate dirt from her over and over. Trisha is so toxic 90% of the time it's hard to remember the 10% she's good for. Smh.

[@kaileedriggers7048]

I keep seeing people in the comment section mentioning her being crappy about the pregnancy announcement but I don't think I have the willpower to go dig through their content for it. What did she end up saying ?

[@kathleentheg]

Yup I seriously don't know how she soundly became the authority on toxic KZbin people. Clearly she's right about some but stuff like this makes me skeptical about all the people she thinks needs to be canceled.

[@Hilo-gk3ix]

I think that portion of the argument was actually solely about the title of the podcast versus talking about the pregnancy. Trisha does say I am happy to talk about that but the video isn’t a pregnancy announcement so the title was recycled and uncreative.

[@marili_patchuki]

@@kaileedriggers7048 trisha said they didn’t like the title of that episode (“pregnancy announcement”) because it was already been done in the after dark podcast and because Trisha wasn’t pregnant and that the title could be misleading because of that. Still I don’t think it’s an excuse to behave like that and crap all over the announcement because as they have fertility problems Ethan and hila also had them and that’s why they were so excited to talk about it and they talked about it on frenemies because Ethan and Trisha didn’t talk about it yet together

[@heygabbymae]

@@marili_patchuki It's rich cuz they had no problem having two episodes minimum about their birthday, and the first vlog was on her birthday as well

[@NikkieTwix]

I actually preferred Ethans video, I can’t listen to Trisha rant and cry for 40+ minutes 😂

[@sstacyss]

I can’t listen to her period. She doesn’t breathe and that tone. Lord help me.

[@NikkieTwix]

@@sstacyss agree, I feel my brain cells deteriorate 😂

[@mscookie3613]

So people did the math and just the three response videos to ethans one, is longer run time than the Cruella movie that just came out. And that’s not even half of the videos she made on Ethan. Insane.

[@rosecox8115]

We all do

[@lolrachie1]

40+mins x4 lol

[@DJTerrisMist]

When the advice segment was announced, i literally saw it the moment it was tweeted out, and i was so excited. I had some real family drama i wanted their opinion on, and i watched that episode in the hopes i would get an answer. Then Trish said all the messages sent in were stupid. Thanks Trish.

[@thinlineofsanity1035]

She slapped all us fans in the face. Im done supporting her.

[@DJTerrisMist]

@@thinlineofsanity1035 I unfollowed her on twitter and unsubscribed to her KZbin channel. Sucks too because I made a buttered noodles song on my channel for her, and a gabbie hanna song for her. I had so many plans. So many dreams.

[@imjustapancake3188]

@@DJTerrisMist you can make songs for others too! Why not Ethan and Hila? You could make a song about their family growing, the lawsuits, ethans fupa, uncle fester ethan

[@DJTerrisMist]

@@imjustapancake3188 You're right. There's still hope for me.

[@imjustapancake3188]

@@DJTerrisMist never give up, homes

[@ashleymejiaa]

she literally manipulates her fans so much she doesn’t even use words right nor try’s to act like an adult to speak and communicate she runs away but she herself said mental health isn’t an excuse to act like a shit person . like she is rn crying and saying “ you don’t know what your doing to me “ is manipulative

[@A_ree_ta]

So we can confirm. She WAS upset.

[@twilightprincess9170]

Yes, because he ignored them when they were trying to talk about important issues involving trans people during pride month tf.

[@DismemberedHat]

I think she was getting more upset when Ethan starting pushing that she was upset. Like, she was upset for a different reason

[@EmpressEllie]

@@DismemberedHat yeah… isn’t it commonly known in say, customer service, if a customer is clearly irate, the last thing you say to them is “calm down” or tell them what they are feeling? Like isn’t this just common knowledge for how not to treat people by now? He definitely made the situation way worse the way he addressed it.

[@glutenfreetaquito562]

I believe Trisha goes by They/Them! ❤️

[@DismemberedHat]

@@glutenfreetaquito562 Trisha said that they go by they/them, but articles that have come out since that announcement have used she/her pronouns and even Ethan in his video since the incident explicitly uses she/her without any corrections from Trisha. Trisha has a long history of claiming to be parts of certain oppressed groups: she claimed to be trans a few years ago, claimed to have DID and caused that community to become shambles, and now she's claiming to be non-binary. There aren't even any pronouns listed on Trisha's Twitter for people to know what to use

[@ankaschannel]

Trisha was totally gaslighting ethan by implying he's crazy to suggest trisha is upset and therefore gaslighting her when she clearly was upset. And also the thing with the costume where she suddenly claimed she didnt even know the movie. Such a gaslighter! And she is all innocent like she could never be in the wrong because she "goes to therapy" and therefore knows when other people are gaslighting her 🙄🙄

[@veronikakiss3754]

She doesn't even understand what gaslighting is lmao she only uses that word to attack others never to hold herself accountable 🤡

[@empac8631]

I honestly believe there two types of people in this world; those who seek therapy to heal and those to seek therapy to validate themselves and convince themselves nothing is ever their fault. Wanna guess what kinda therapist Trisha might have sought out.

[@veronikakiss3754]

@@empac8631 yes!!! that is so true. I've been going to therapy for 6 months or so and only in the last 2-3 months have I even mentioned it to my friends and in the context of "hey guess where I was yesterday" or something. There's just no need to mention it as often as she does especially since she only mentions it to attack the other person basically.

[@LadyDynamitez]

@@veronikakiss3754 yeah, that's one of my pet peeves. trisha's def not alone with misusing the term. as soon as people started learning the term gaslighting, everything's been called gaslighting. someone lying = gaslighting. someone telling their side of a story that differs from another person's = gaslighting. someone saying "you're upset" = gaslighting. god, it's annoying.

[@humblegamer7876]

Shes refusing to be emotionally honest. That's an form of passive agression and its just as toxic as anything trisha accused ethan of during that exchange

[@kathleenistalking]

my biggest concern is where trisha’s therapist is right now. i really hope they’re not enabling this behavior.

[@JNMKlover]

Totally

[@KelseyDrummer]

She needs a new one.

[@yesimsureienteredmynamecorrect]

I hope not either. She said she does 4 sessions a week. I only ever saw my therapist once a week or biweekly. Is it normal to see one so much? It sounds like she needs a team. I would worry about the therapist gettn some type of caregiver burnout.

[@sarabobara8458]

@@yesimsureienteredmynamecorrect shes doing two group programs, both of which it is normal to have two sessions a week. I think doing both programs at once is probably too much, but the things she is attending are valid. A good therapist doesnt give their judgements about their clients behaviour, so when Trisha says her therapist says she fine.... i dont know if shes fine or not, but i dont believe a therapist is looking over this and making judgement calls about her being fine or in the right. Hope not anyway

[@glutenfreetaquito562]

THIS!!! - I have BPD and w the money she has and the amount of programs I would wish they had someone who they could get in touch right away or ASAP. Maybe even go to a program etc. I hope as well that their therapist isn’t enabling this

[@Christopheroflyng]

Trisha is oversensitive and creates delusional complexes in her mind that cause other people especially people like Ethan who are not sensitive and also don’t have the sense of filter… I know this because I have both of those treats and always get myself into the most insane relationships and friendships situations it’s exactly like this.. I always seek out other overly sensitive people and this exact same thing always happens just not on the Internet and with everyone in my life and my family and theirs.

[@marcojacinto824]

Maybe she's oversensitive, maybe he's not sensitive enough and enjoys watching her lose her mind.

[@moonlightmemories959]

@@marcojacinto824 she's just oversensitive...

[@jaydinelee7181]

SHES OVER SENSITIVE CUS SHE HAS BPD... LOOK IT UP

[@moonlightmemories959]

@@jaydinelee7181 so that gives her the right to be rude to everyone?

[@jaydinelee7181]

@@moonlightmemories959 literally no one has said that.... you guys assuming when a person says one thing they automatically mean another is incredibly toxic and counterproductive

[@nyxaelia115]

The crew actually was going to film with her even after everything, Ethan vetoed himself and canceled the next shoot because he didn't feel it was right to have the crew do another episode while things were still heated

[@empac8631]

He went and did the rage room without Trisha though. I get why but I think her seeing them did it without her will create a whole new list of videos.

[@sstacyss]

Em Pac he has to do his job. Why would he have her come on after disrespecting the crew. Wake up!!

[@HipHopAnotomus]

Tbh a rage room might've resolved everything before the bridges were burnt

[@AdriCr4ft]

@@sstacyss thats not what happened tho lol Ethan is not a good boss. Since when do you text message people who work for you about important matters? You get a phone call, or you get asked to come to the office! They don’t text message you Shouldn’t he have called her and spoke what he felt like doing? Which was that the crew were fine but he Ethan wanted the crew and everyone to have a break. Instead of making it seem like THE CREW were on strike. All this could have been avoided if he had CALLED her. You can’t tell by message, tones of conversation. This was extremely unprofessional.

[@ImCorbi]

@@AdriCr4ft because trisha leaving frenemies in a video instead of telling Ethan directly is a good move? Great thinking. But ethan texting instead of calling? God forbid 🚫

[@farahbushnaq7323]

I’m laughing at how Trisha is complaining about recycled content but has repeatedly talked about David and Jason. Over and over and over and over again. Like more times than I can count

[@Elviladia]

And majority of her videos being in her car eating or drinking.

[@xocreme]

And Ethan NEVER whined in those instances. He had her back!

[@SatanicKale]

Don't forget her obsession with James (along with Ethan to be fair)

[@solm.6184]

@@SatanicKale it’s not an obsession. james is legit a criminal

[@lkcullen1918]

I thought they kept bringing up David because of the sexual assault cases.

[@CBrown86]

Ive been watching h3h3 and Frenemies from the start and Trisha has tried very hard and so has Ethan. The only thing is that Trisha has crapped all over Ethan and Hila over and over again because of toxic envy and not because of anything they have done. They have bent over backwards for Trisha

[@gemfan2002]

@@fischy947 In Ethan's defense with the numerous pregnancy announcements, they've had issues with fertility for a while now, so for them to be expecting twins or triplets is an important and exciting time for them. Also, for those who don't watch his regular podcast, it's for the strictly Frenemies viewers

[@CBrown86]

@@willstanbridge1315 I agree. Trisha desperately wants to have a baby, and her and Moses have been trying to get pregnant. The last blowup on the show also had to do with Ethan and Hila trying for another baby, Trisha is INCREDIBLY triggered by the fact that Ethan and Hila have a family

[@jasmineh8807]

Trisha said how rude Ryland was with his fans, look at her/them now.

[@blhuiguigyigg789]

she loves her fans idk where you got that from

[@jesusjaramillo3045]

@@blhuiguigyigg789 she called a Q&A with her fans dumb??🤨🤨

[@BIuelock]

@@jesusjaramillo3045 it was in retaliation to ethan disregarding her talking about gay people dying, so she did the same w ethans segment (I DONT AGREE W THE WAY SHE DID THIS)

[@nicholas6081]

@@BIuelock damn that’s gotta be the dumbest take I’ve ever heard

[@camrudder5974]

@@BIuelock I won’t attack you but I wanna bring to light that it’s fairly normal for Trisha to do this. Also this was possibly one of his simple triggers. Not only tics but it could be a calming thing. Also he literally did that for 2 seconds. I just can’t get past her past and how she acts. She’s got to much of this stuff in the past. It’s difficult for me to take things she says to heart. She is an act to me. My opinion of coarse.

[@jasonvargas7564]

The true definition of a Frenemy

[@daphne10120]

Trisha is extremely entitled and doesn’t know how to handle a situation like an adult. It’s proven time and time again. I’m not sad that the podcast is over, but I’m sad it ended like this with Trish pushing away someone who legitimately cared about her. Trish is like a cactus, she hurts the people who want to hug her.

[@biomicpuma]

My boyfriend and I talked about something similar to this a while ago, a "porcupine " person.

[@jayarr1761]

Nobody wants to hug a cactus.. so that's actually a perfect example

[@carm2296]

💯💯💯

[@jmk0574]

Plus she’s enabled by her family and Moses.. and now potentially Ethan if he continues to allow it.

[@eclairmonochrome5635]

I saw this coming from a mile away, seeing as she never apologizes for anything. This was bound to happen. Edit: i meant, genuinely.

[@kenn8364]

What are you talking about? She had apologized for most, if not all, the shit she’s done...

[@allisoncastle]

That is definitely not true. They have apologized MULTIPLE times.

[@andreabennett3762]

they have apologized but i definitely seen this coming too. i was thinking to myself “i wonder when this podcast will fall apart” lmfao

[@ariana_208]

There may be a public apology or just private but I think Trisha even apologized to DisassociaDID. I just noticed that DisasociaDID’s reaction to Trisha’s DID video was taken down: I don’t see they system or host deleting the video without serious reason

[@sharting268]

@@ariana_208 the dissociadid system has been involved in a lot of controversy lately + they've had to take a hiatus because of their abuser. trisha may have apologized to them, but they (trisha) should've publicly apologized to the DID/OSDD community as a whole. that entire situation was AWFUL for the community, and gave us a bad rep to non systems who don't fully understand/haven't done much research or don't believe in DID/OSDD.

[@Eepykeepy]

Trishas most used words consist of "I, me, myself" and "gaslight"

[@BernadetteTheRealest]

You forgot “triggered” 🤣🤦🏻‍♀️

[@sylmyl]

@@BernadetteTheRealest lol i wanted to add that and here u go 🤣

[@arriagalis]

But in previous episode she only calms down by him saying ok ok you’re right you’re right... then she calms down. So what is the difference?

[@Jo-ff9uu]

I don't about a previous episode, but in this one, he clearly said it in a sarcastic, passive-aggressive tone, and very subtly rolling his eyes.

[@fraji7113]

@@Jo-ff9uu i mean she obviously looked upset / frustrated, in any other situation i would have agreed; his response wasn't polite. but i think he felt cornered and didnt know how else to respond, bc he wanted to talk about her feelings and pointed out that she seemed upset and she kept denying it

[@Jo-ff9uu]

@@fraji7113 oh I’m not saying Trisha wasn’t frustrated because they clearly were, at least I think that’s what the vast majority would perceive but just from seeing this I can tell they don’t know how to describe what they feel with just one word so in the moment they felt angry or frustrated didn’t describe what they were feeling. I was just pointing out the answer to what’s the difference from the comment I replied to.

[@ghostboymolly4300]

i feel like he could have possibly misspoke saying “you’re in perfect condition” rather than saying like “yeah you’re in a perfect mood right now” it makes it seem like he think she’s in like psychosis, from trishas point of view. obviously i don’t know their real thoughts & intentions lol go

[@Marie-mo9id]

It's nice that at least when you analyzed the H3 podcast you can freely use clips of the show. Ethan is all for fair-use commentary. I'm glad you pin pointed the moment their conversation went off the rails.

[@shillsdontspookme9208]

Humans are strange and fascinating creatures.

[@ms.artichokecheesepizzawst3239]

But some are just Stupid.

[@liveactionlink8736]

You got that right. It's a simple way of summing things up lol

[@ALDO_GOODENS]

Fax

[@meanjeanmcqueen6171]

Seriously...

[@katietye3673]

Emphasis on strange lol

[@Wednesdayza]

Just noting real quick, Ethan has Tourette’s his facial expressions are affected by this. Idk how that changes ur observations….

[@cortney3798]

I didn’t even think of that but great point lol

[@Determined-Dani]

Can we talk about how Trishas ideas for a podcast make no sense if you are only a listener of a podcast? Dancing? Like how are you supposed to enjoy a Dancing segment with your ears? 😂

[@sindreha]

you would just hear them panting

[@chelseyt7091]

Right!? & Ethan explains that although her ideas may sound fun... Someone (Ethan Nd his team) actually has to execute them & make it happen.

[@margarytavasylieva3732]

This cracked me up 😂

[@nkjmeh]

Well, they were saying dancing for the vlogs. For example like when they filmed them going to Disneyland or wherever. However, Ethan’s point is that those are great but that’s SIDE content that isn’t really to do with the actual podcast. He understands the podcast has to be solid first for them to then get to make side content. But they are not familiar with or enjoys that kind of concept content. They are most familiar with video/vlog content which is what they are bringing. Which isn’t helpful even if yes, they is contributing. *edited to fix pronoun slip! I would never want to disrespect ANYONES preferred pronouns!*

[@poisonedcookie7845]

They also did the cooking and fitness things for Trish in the podcast, but I guess they never listen to their ideas huh

[@SLashafrass]

It pains me most that Trish didn't learn the valuable lesson of not running away but becoming the healthy person she wants to be. Claims to be RT

[@angelicafigueroa0221]

She made 7 videos, deleted one where she let slip Ethan could reveal some 'nasty truths' about her before blurting, "I mean the situation" she ripped that video down and left it at the this needs to be said video making sure she gets prime victimization pity points before Ethan could defend himself, he offered pizza to crew while she was talking big deal, doesn't mean she can crap all over the fan segment, complain nothing gets run by her, then when Ethan wants to debate her she all of a sudden needs the podcast to end because of a conversation she just needed to have after Ethan showed he wasn't hanging on her word. She ain't ever heard of multi tasking or taking the stick in a conversation while your cohost does other things?

[@mayflower5193]

Don't forget not letting him continue the podcast, she forced him to stop just because she was leaving which seemed very childish.

[@angelicafigueroa0221]

@@mayflower5193 yeah she demands the conversation to stop, tries to claim he's gaslighting and being passive aggressive when she started the passive aggressiveness by calling the segment dumb then going "thats all I wanted to say, you go ahead" and tried leaving it there like Ethan wasn't or shouldn't have been able to respond to her berating the crew for not stopping Ethan from talking about repeated topics but how many times did she rehash her David dobrik diatribes, pretended she cared about the seth nick or Dom situations, threw James charles under the bus because the hack Def noodles can't stop pushing a meme as journalism, all for 'fun money' she didn't care about until it wasn't used how she wanted it.

[@fharhunachoudhury2434]

@@angelicafigueroa0221 and don’t get me started on her repeated segments on Jason, it’s a running joke at this point

[@angelicafigueroa0221]

@@fharhunachoudhury2434 Jason who adored her, made a mistake by joining in on one specific joke about tana mongoose but she wasn't the creep for flirting with the vlogsquad men including Scotty sire, joking that she could screw Jason mamoa and somehow it wouldn't be cheating because his name was jason too, but oh no, one tana joke by David and a suggestion not to eat junk food that she herself said made her sick half the time and suddenly he's the creep but let Moses make the same suggestions and she's batting her eyes like oh how he cares for me, it's disgusting the double standard she set for herself and that was before she hid behind mental health and gender fluidity to garner their hip reaction defense and support for anyone trying to hold her accountable

[@fharhunachoudhury2434]

@@angelicafigueroa0221 double standards yup

[@francesca1870]

Ethan does that a lot and I don’t think he means to be rude, it’s more like he’s multitasking. He always hears what the other person is saying and will bring attention back to the topic to show that he cares what they’re saying. I think it’s just an Ethan thing. He’s the boss of his company so he’s kinda mentally everywhere, taking care of his crew while also listening to his cohost and keeping on topic. I feel like he does it because it’s implied that Trisha is also talking to the audience and not just Ethan directly.

[@Itzzeloronaa]

I think it’s an adhd thing. I do that a lot. Where people think I’m not paying attention bc I’m doing things while someone talks to me

[@nobodyknew]

You made such a great point. Trisha IS speaking to an audience, her content and conversation were being recorded and would have been published regardless of Ethan offering a slice of pizza. Let's not forget that Trisha derailed the audience questions segment they were supposed to be getting into in order to go off on her tangent. She is not interested in the 5%, it would seem: she is interested in having it all. All of the attention, focus and adulation of EVERYONE at all times. Like she said herself: she has a non-identity. She literally does not exist except when she is being seen by others. I feel very sorry for her. She has given herself no ground to stand on in literally every aspect of her existence because she has eschewed her own responsibility for herself.

[@lisahenry20]

I volunteer at a charity shop, and if I'm doing something with another volunteer behind the till that doesn't require much focus, we're often talking about whatever. If a customer comes up to the till, we break off what we were doing to serve them then can immediately get back on topic. In this case, they were talking about something, Ethan broke off to offer pizza, and if Trisha hadn't made a big deal of it, they could have gone back to the topic.

[@pameladeda]

She released that video before the podcast was released to the general public to manipulate people to get sympathy imo

[@ifea.8329]

Pretty sure she posted it because of the reaction from the membership viewers on Monday

[@nataliesolis163]

Trisha has so many ads in her videos, and she said she doesn’t know how to put in ads which sounds like a lie since she been on KZbin for like 10+ years?

[@kadeydoll]

I mean either way it’s part of her income.

[@imaDUCKIE11]

Okay so I saw a creator comment one time apologizing for the amount of ads on the video when initially uploaded as apparently they have to personally go through and take off the ones youtube puts on themselves. So I guess if this is true, then that could be why there's so many ads and she says she doesn't know how to add (or remove) them

[@kp1271]

I mean it's hard to tell cause she doesn't edit. So could seem like she has no idea. But also she gets her coin, she's a brilliant business woman. She's trying to keep the dumb valley girl persona while also being ab extremely smart and savvy bish.

[@Tdottles]

Yeah I called that out on one of her videos. That's why I didn't watch any of them. She's milking these response videos to get that extra coin. Which is smart but there were wayyy too many ads.

[@vulbvibe]

@@kadeydoll it’s just hypocritical to be like “it’s not about money” bring money up 1000 times and then overtly monetize the response videos. They’re completely ignoring how this affects/will be seen by the family.

[@pokemonbb1500]

She literally had the audacity to say that Ethan made a video painting a bad picture of her!?! Like victim blaming and reversing everything. Her behavior is terrible and I now understand why she always ends up alone! I hate to say that, but taking accountability and handling things like an adult would of saved her so much heart ache. NO PITY from me at this point.

[@tberry2510]

Wait, how is Ethan a victim? Frenemies was not destined to be a long-term show. No one is losing besides the fans. I don't see how anyone is a victim and pitying people is a waste of time.

[@ElizahMendoza]

Typical narcissistic behavior. Ethan just wanted to stand up for himself and his crew. Trisha just wants to be seen in a good light for herself. Ethan even complimented them and says multiple times that he will always be grateful for Trisha. Trisha however calls him a liar, an @$$hole, every insult under the sun.

[@seanceknowles2911]

@@tberry2510 ok that makes no sense. It’s no thing to end a show because they are moving on to new things, you know in a healthy matter. Trisha is literally toxic. Ethan is not perfect sure, but Trish still to this day is very harmful to those around her. What don’t you get?

[@beexv8857]

I feel like Ethan's video was very respectful, it broke down all the business details and also...he was very clearly genuinely upset by the whole situation, felt so bad for him honestly and the crew :(

[@ElizahMendoza]

@@beexv8857 exactly. And he was considerate about Trisha's feelings while also being firm that what she did was unfair and unacceptable. Trisha kept on insulting him, belittling him, name-calling, blaming. Totally lost all respect for her.

[@tired_s1oth]

So, there's one major thing that bothers the ever living crap out of me when it comes to Trisha. She says she's a mental health advocate. That she had boarderline and yada yada yada. That she goes to therapy 4 times a week. As someone with boarderline, I really feel like she isn't actively working to better herself. I don't know if she's lying about getting mental health help, or if she just has a crap therapist, but this girl is constantly in a downward spiral. If she were getting the actual help like Cognitive Behavior Therapy, and being on medications, then I highly doubt that she would be this... Messy.

[@svinjamaria]

I have severe BPD and CBT didn’t help me in the least bit. For some reasons when having CBT from a psychologist, their words bounced directly off of me even when I did the homework. This girl needs intensive DBT therapy

[@madisonj5136]

As someone with BPD, it’s not her therapist, it’s her. She’s not doing the work to help better herself and she’s in position in her life where she doesn’t have to face much consequences for her behavior like the average person does that kind of force us to be better. If she really wants to, she will