Firas and Danaher on Garry Tonon and Gordon Ryan Jiu-Jitsu + DDS split

Firas and John Danaher discuss the clash of styles between Garry Tonon and Gordon Ryan. Plus, they go over the split of the DDS.
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[@pvlapa]

Garry is probably the most watchable grappler because he's a cocky gambler/acrobat. It's like watching a videogame or comic book. He'll gamble with a position for a risk of an advantage. That's why imo hes in the top 2 best grappling matches: him vs Kron and him vs Palahares. Gordon could be like watching an instructional. I mean it's good for the enthusiasts, but not necessarily for a spectator sport.

[@mylanmay]

Cocky gambler bit is definitely true. Remember seeing him burn through 500 euros in 10 minutes at a blackjack table😂

[@yahyagannour8486]

Jeff Glover

[@interestedparty7523]

I hear what you're saying, but Gordon is fun to watch, because he toys with his opponents, he's so dominant. You mentioned Kron vs Gary, I think Kron who no longer competes, was another fun guy to watch. Submissions hunters are awesome. Gary is fun to watch too, but I just prefer Gordon's cold, calculated approach.

[@shandyooo]

I’ve heard from many accounts that Eddie was the true obsessive innovator of the entries. As Firas said, they had been coached in leg locks by John for years but the entries were different with DDS. Eddie created the start of the new era of leg entries.

[@alope4217]

I could be wrong, but it seems as though Eddie doesn’t get a lot of credit for his work.

[@BioBroly111]

Modern leglock game started with Eddie, he gets nowhere near enough credit....

[@booooo-urns]

Who

[@Alienthehuman]

@@booooo-urns the wolverine, bub.

[@milkweedreflections]

@@booooo-urns Eddie Cummings

[@merkins87]

11:20 when they talk about the split

[@slymcfly123]

@@ThruTheWire2 They split because of Craig. They should not have included him.

[@ln5747]

@@slymcfly123 why?

[@yeahdaegzzzzz9831]

Cos Craig has a sense of humour and Gordon doesn't.

[@SonnyParlin]

I agree, Tonon was the most fun gym roll I’ve ever had. Great personality and he let’s you play.

[@CriticalShot1]

Asked him to speak up dude stayed at exact same volume lmao

[@haerverk]

He only has one volume: ice cold psychopathic genius

[@stevenoverlord]

Based sigma lop

[@mrt445]

LOL

[@zBryRobinson]

Lmaooooo

[@KMacMerlin]

Jedi master doesn't alter his speech for anyone

[@loveroflife1914]

These chats are awesome. Thanks guys

[@cruzcontrol720]

I can not wait to train at your gym. I cannot wait to meet you both. 🙏🏼 I enjoyed this!

[@wingzero7316]

Both are from different gyms and countries

[@iztv3515]

Too much intellectualism for one room to hold! Love these guys!!

[@jarkinmalarkin]

Lachlan ghiles was really innovative in k guard and leg locks and hes still very innovative. It's why it didn't take crage jones long to be in the death squad.

[@coffeenchokes573]

Check out Neil magnelson, if you love k guard nail "apparently created it' and used it for Backtakes and triangles

[@prandz420]

coffee n chokes Lachlan Giles has much better open guard, k guard and leglock entanglements than melanson

[@jarkinmalarkin]

@@coffeenchokes573 with lachlan his x guard or k guard to half or butterfly guard to his reverse delahever to crucifix arm bar or heel hooks. He's got a degree in physio therapy and three peered review papers on behind the knee pain. He's very skilled at the bottom half of his and people's body's. The top half He's not as good.

[@dylanfitzpatrick9423]

Speak for yourselves, I do Jitz for the awkward eye contact.

[@endboss6907]

For the love of another humans sweat in your own mouth 😂

[@jacksdad734]

I just love the smell of the human head.

[@ThruTheWire2]

@@endboss6907 I’ve had a teammates sweat fall into my eyeball before in training while I was being stacked.

[@mitchjames9350]

What if it’s a women.

[@endboss6907]

@@mitchjames9350 yep, women can be teammates

[@Modelskinny]

This interview was conducted at Ethan Allen.

[@coryb4483]

I think your door in the background could use some WD40

[@luckyhook590]

😂👍

[@experiencedoptimist6548]

I went to Puerto Rico after the DDS split. To be honest, I do not think that the DDS would have split if they had all moved to Austin. In Puerto Rico the environment can be so difficult that, unless you have unimaginable trust and dedication to an ideal, you will not make it as a group. Ultimately it was better that the DDS broke up because if gives students more choice in choosing teaching environments that may better fit their style of learning.

[@yeahdaegzzzzz9831]

Brazilians seem to do fine in a worse country ahaha

[@conradhooker5043]

Is his new gym new wave only for top jits players? Can regular folk attend?

[@esamemad298]

Yes, any one can attend they have a lot of students who aren't big players

[@paytenmarshall7744]

Anyone can go to new wave at Renzo’s in Austin, TX. However, B-Team is more selective on who they let train in their gym (no white belts).

[@Garanon5]

Drop in for new wave is like $50 I think.

[@joethomas3388]

You have to have a very high opinion of your thoughts to have Danaher in the room with you and have so little interest in what he has to say. Impressive.

[@Kinosis79]

Yeah it was extremely annoying he kept cutting him off.

[@yeahdaegzzzzz9831]

Danaher has the highest opinion of himself of anybody in BJJ. Takes ten minutes to explain a move that could be summed up in ten words so he can sound like an intellectual

[@philipwhitcomb5358]

@@yeahdaegzzzzz9831 Dude, Danaher is highly intelligent. He's only one of the world's greatest BJJ teachers. Is that not enough to satisfy you? Damn, you sure are picky. 😂 lmao

[@LinkedTech]

You act like Firas isn’t one of the greatest minds in martial arts.

[@k9aid514]

Danaher in the next silence of the lambs remake lol

[@kickinwinghotboi883]

John Danaher, please put your magic touch to the outdated, "old school" art of Catch wrestling. I absolutely love the art of Catch wrestling. It's so interesting to study and observe, as well as making harmless but intriguing comparisons to similar arts, one very notable comparison being Catch wrestling against BJJ, but it can also be taken a step further and a comparison can be made on the throws and slams of Catch wrestling against the throws and trips of Judo. Even though the techniques and fundamentals of Catch wrestling might be considered outdated when compared to the new age modernization of BJJ, all of the insanely skilled practitioners dedicated to perfecting the art, giving it a modern makeover; Think of like a John Danaher type and you'll understand exactly what I mean by "perfecting and modernizing, updating and upgrading". Catch just doesn't have the incredible minds constantly making it better/more effective. Catch wrestling could really be turned into a very effective and DOMINANT, technical while also keeping that simplistic, bare bones style of inducing pain to create your own openings for submissions, constantly putting all of your body weight onto your opponent to cause discomfort in order to distract your opponent, causing them to make mistakes and allowing you to find a submission anywhere you can. I really do hope Catch wrestling experiences that type of "Renaissance era" kind of boom in popularity, allowing it to settle into a 21st century era where it can finally be a truly legitimate competitor to BJJ. The current style of Catch wrestling being trained was best suited for the 18th-19th century styles of grappling/wrestling and was also competing against a style of BJJ that was best suited for the same time and interestingly, it wasn't uncommon for Catch wrestling to totally dominate and easily best that era's style of BJJ, but you see the leaps and bounds that BJJ has made in terms of effectiveness. We need that with Catch Wrestling and we also need more well-known (and not to mention actually skilled in the art of Catch wrestling) advocates for Catch wrestling, with BJJ you have the Gracie's who have always been there promoting BJJ (and/or Gracie Jujitsu) along with the introduction of the UFC, promoting BJJ as an end-all-be-all martial art, BJJ gyms on every corner. It has remained in the spotlight for years and years with no signs of losing momentum. Meanwhile we're stuck with people like Curran Jacobs as one of the so-called "world champion" Catch wrestling tournament, yet he makes the art look bad by bad mouthing BJJ players, thinking he is invincible, starting bullshit, only to get submitted not even 5 minutes into the grappling match

[@ahmedalhamadi1231]

I know weird quesiton but does Inline skating help with martial arts footwork or any aspect of martial arts whether striking or grappling?

[@ahmedalhamadi1231]

@@dongmckongdiabesity8887 Ok Thank you Bro for the answer.. interesting :)

[@abluequaker5486]

Only if you plan on fighting in inline skates...

[@ahmedalhamadi1231]

@@abluequaker5486 Haha bro you made me laugh really... Ok Thank you for your answer.

[@merkins87]

I stopped fighting as a pro after 2 knee scares in the space of 6 months & full-time work in boots wrecked my stabilizer muscles. Taking up ice skating fixed my stabilizers, strengthened my posterior chain, made my arse bigger & helped with squat HIGHLY underrated cross-training activity, if I had the money/time I'd keep doing that in the background- one of the best rehab/strengthening modalities for grappling.

[@ahmedalhamadi1231]

@@merkins87 Unbelievable.... I didn't expect that answer :)

[@jxuu8111]

crazy how much bigger gordan is now compared to that picture

[@starryasseraringo5340]

I like gary tonon but what happened to him vs ruotulo?

[@pauloomss]

Ruotolo is really good thats what happened. Garry is very entertaining but not the best grappler.

[@fredcharlotte]

The Ruotolo brothers are as good as anyone and better than almost everyone.

[@aplus1080]

Garry was overconfident in that instance on his ability to escape. Dude is the KING of escapes. He gambled and lost 🤷‍♀️

[@joebeast15]

@@aplus1080 yeah. It doesn’t all of a sudden mean Gary sucks, he fucked around and got caught. All there is to it

[@thedetective8150]

Garry likes to tease but Rutolo is smart and caught Garry.

[@9erfanatic1]

Man buddy your interviewing Danaher let the man speak.

[@fastbulletz]

6:40 you told everybody what should stay in the gym

[@joethomas3388]

What makes but interesting is not control to submission so much as it working on the streets and in mma. If it’s is no good there, it’s no good.

[@merkins87]

Which is why Khabib is my favourite grappler. In saying that, the better you are in competition, having a system, being fit, controlling your nerves, the more generally prepared you'll be in any situation. But try to stay away from idiots on the street, you never know what tomorrow's consequences bring.

[@jacobbrendle1508]

They are talking about sport jujitsu not self-defense jujitsu. They are two completely different things and should not be confused with each other. There are plenty of submissions that would not work in a street fight. It's the same thing with MMA there are a lot of things in the cage that work but on the street would be almost impossible to do or useless. But like I said sport jujitsu is its own sport

[@aplus1080]

There's nothing interesting about "working on the streets." If you're worried about tHe StReEtS get a gun and stfu on bjj posts FOREVER.

[@BH-gh6qm]

there wasnt shit about the dds split, clickbaittttt

[@BA-pz3lo]

please get him a microphone! its the same problem on every video no matter who interviews him!

[@kuryanthomas1438]

i think in the long run b team jiu jitsu is gonna suffer not having danaher with them daily (which is something garry tonon and gordon still get to experience!!!)

[@kevivtawar7716]

I don't think so

[@yeahdaegzzzzz9831]

They'll all still be better people and have more fun and laughs..who really wins?

[@mauriciobandeirachaves3871]

Let Danaher to talk

[@davedave5493]

FFS Firaz shut up and let John answer your questions. I want to hear from John not you.

[@VikingMuayThai]

Style = body type + personality. 👌

[@KrunoslavStifter]

... +PED's, Many a style developed from use of PED's and what they allow. Certainly Gordon Ryan for example. He can train much more with it, learn new skills faster, he can recover faster, build more muscle, better cardio if he is on Erythropoietin (EPO) etc. And virtually all of pro BJJ competitors are on gear so obviously it provides advantage and allows development in certain areas in certain ways they could not do if they did not use gear. Hence anyone who is honest with themselves must take it into serious account. Its an open secret anyway. Everyone is on it, and knows about it. They just want talk about it.

[@keviny7480]

@@KrunoslavStifter so basically for people who cannot afford good PEDs and steroids, it is a very hard journey in Jiu Jitsu. Life is not fair.

[@KrunoslavStifter]

@@keviny7480 On a pro level, yeah , I don't think you can compete with no PED at highest pro level. Have you seen how jacked the players are in pro BJJ? They are more massive than MMA even. Its crazy. Everyone is on something. And if there is someone who is not, he will be in huge disadvantage, so he would have to be double or more times better than everyone else to just level the playing field.

[@keviny7480]

@@KrunoslavStifter yes you are on point. this sport is so crazy everyone is on sth..pretty sad tbh but what can we do about it?

[@KrunoslavStifter]

@@keviny7480 True. Sadly I'm not sure what can be done since the culture of fair play is overshadowed by the prize fighting aspect. I don't think testing and all that is the answer as long as culture of PED usage exists. I don't think it will change soon, but I don't follow BJJ as much as MMA so I can't really say what is is like in the Gyms. Is it open secret that is tolerated or is it taboo. By the looks of the grapples it seems everyone understand its part of the sport and way to prevalent for any professional who wants to make a living doing this to ignore it as a competitive edge. Sad but true.

[@EstiloInAction]

Been a huge fan of Gary ever since the brown belt kumite

[@JiuJitsuM4]

I agree man. Those videos were awesome. Sean Roberts did awesome too in the GI.

[@fabolousjada5070]

The man needs to grapple he’s been getting beat up

[@Sidelinefighter-expert]

I heard they split due to Gordon and Nickey falling out over their fathers passing

[@joebeast15]

Falling out how ?

[@urbansamurai261]

👀👀

[@aplus1080]

Brought up so many great issues I've always wondered. Thanks firas!

[@Shon-z8o]

I have seen enough videos of Firas to believe he is a straight up narcissist. It’s like he fascinates himself over his own words. Let Danaher speak!

[@davidd1866]

Was thinking the exact same thing. I wish I cld just skip that noise he is making

[@rollotomassi8251]

Garry vs Khabib Ryan vs JON jones

[@aplus1080]

😍 that's my f'ing love language right there

[@markgothard7158]

When I first started and for about three years I thought sweeps were lame. Why focus on sweep when you can submit.

[@MartialMind]

Please tell me you STILL don't think sweeps are lame.

[@markgothard7158]

@@MartialMind lol no I don’t, It just took me about three years to see the bigger picture.

[@vietnamsemonky4082]

@@MartialMind the legend showing up of course, your training keeps making you better my man! Keep it up.

[@aplus1080]

Tell me you're a big guy without telling me you're a big guy 😐

[@omzehn9872]

8:17 ftw

[@merkins87]

As i explained to a smart-arse, little kid once, "what's worse: looking gay, or losing a fight to somebody who looks gay?"

[@f.i.l.d.e.p.s]

that is what edgy brah was saying for so long

[@pinksupremacy6076]

I missed Garry in this years ADCC.

[@wizard4203]

"when I first saw jiu jitsu, I thought it was gay." -zahabi 8:15

[@jrocha4167]

I thought it was gay when I first saw it lol John was like let’s change the subject

[@Diamond-ld5hz]

Cause Danaher has been hiding in the closet his whole life

[@AB-ee5tb]

What are you talking about?

[@AB-ee5tb]

@@Diamond-ld5hz he’s been hiding with you

[@jrocha4167]

@@AB-ee5tb firas said he thought bjj was gay when he first saw it and John didn’t even acknowledge the comment he just switched to another topic lol

[@jayhammer957]

You seem to be an expert. 😬

[@michaelsulek7226]

Are we gonna talk about PED's at all? Or are these two gentlemen professors wilfully turning a blind eye to that

[@jayvega9641]

They have…the host here has stated publicly that there is drug use in Bjj but apparently it’s not illegal. 🤔