Triumph Daytona 660 - Should We Be Excited?

Hello and welcome to yet another very special vodcast of the podcast. Front End Chatter is delighted, nay positively tumescent, to bring all the details of Triumph's new, 2024 Daytona 660 - straight from the Hinckley's mouth, with BS carefully filtered out by the time it gets to you.
Simon and Martin pick over the details of Triumph's affordable, road-oriented sportsbike - including performance, engine and chassis spec, riding position details and comparisons, and of course price.
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[@WyreForestBiker]

It will sell well . In the real world there is a huge group of bikers who are sick of the insane prices and pointless tech. Honda started the movement with the Hornet 750 ... people want good bikes at sensible prices that won't loose £5 K the moment they roll a wheel.

[@chrishart8548]

Most of the generic jap bikes that cost £7k nwpew are worth around £2k almost as soon as you try and sell them.

[@richardupcraft1287]

I've watched all the Daytona 660 videos today as i own a Daytona T595 and this was the best by far 👍

[@frontendchatter]

Thank you very much for watching!

[@naturalforlife6741]

I had the 09 675 Striple and just loved it for over 5 years. The engine never disappointed me. The comfort level wasn't that great. I guess I just got old because I was in my late 50's. I did ride on some 4 to 5 hr. trips though and just loved passing everyone on the interstates. The rake and trail makes me wonder if this bike may be more susceptible to tank slapping. About like a shopping cart wobbly wheel. The sitting position on my ZX4RR makes me feel like I was on a cafe racer which makes me smile. I can almost forget what the bike looks like and imagine I was on my old bonnie cafe. Love it. Oh I just turned 70.

[@reverendhoover]

Great to see more FEC video content with a good balance of Mufga's brains and Simon's nostalgia. More please! The bike looks like a good alternative to Honda CBR 650 and Kawasaki's Ninja 650. It's quite pretty, even though it's built to a budget, though the brake master cylinder, steel side stand and gear lever cheapens it.

[@Shane-ln5zz]

Being 30 something and knowing I can't afford 2 bikes but wanting for something more sporty than my MT07, this set up seems ideal. Price for what you get seems perfect

[@MrMillander]

Yet A decade of supper sport machines are available! 🤣

[@radicalkonrad765]

get a 765 and put fairings on it

[@GripEngineering]

Great info on the rider triangle; very helpful. Here in the States, insurance rates helped kill the supersport bike sales. For me, I am not a fan of the naked bikes. Thank you Triumph for producing a bike with good all around ergos, an entertaining level of power, and decent brakes/suspension (fan of that fork) for a price that is reasonable. The insurance rates for a CBR650R are reasonable as well, so another win for the 660. My dealer already has my deposit for a white bike.

[@frontendchatter]

Good point, insurance should be much more affordable / accessible on a less-powerful, less-expensive, less-aggressive machine like this. Let us know how you get on with your Daytona 660!

[@russcattell955i]

At first I thought oh no a softer Daytona, however listening to 44T, TMF and this video I understand the market shift. As for the adjustable suspension comment. My 99 ZX-6R was fully adjustable, I tweaked it a little and it stayed there for 10 years apart from a 2 week tour of France with my GF on pillion. in 09 I bought a new Street Triple, un adjustable and it was perfect for touring or tear arsing around. In my view non adjustable is ok if it's made right.

[@enkeierick]

What people want is the same 765 rs engine, suspension and brakes (and perhaps tft display) from the Street Triple, with this Daytona body with high up clip ons

[@ragerider6283]

Great vid. I'm late 40's & have owned several supersports bikes between 97 - 08 & very much done with them. I was looking at numerous nakeds but they didn't quite do it for me & then this soft road orientated sports bike resurgence happened & it made perfect sense. I don't want too much power, tech, discomfort or expense & don't plan on doing any track days so this sector ticked all the boxes for me. Current front runners for a purchase this year are this & the GSX8R.

[@frontendchatter]

Sounds like exactly the right kind of bike for you - thanks for letting us know!

[@RussRyan7713]

I am in the market for my first bike after 30 years. The CBR650R is top the list at the moment. The ZX4RR is also a contender but twice as much to insure. This is an option. However right now the display is putting me off massively and the colour only does half the bike. So grey is the only one that looks complete. Boring grey through. But Triumph is a good brand. Decisions decisions. Loved the chat. Will check out the podcast.

[@frontendchatter]

Thanks - you can find the pod at frontendchatter.com or by searching any of the usual podcast apps, Spotify, etc.

[@LordBergkamp]

Really good to see that this format works for you. Just as natural and well judged as the podcast. This bike reminds me of the 90s zzr600 but with less range and top speed. It will be more agile and modern feeling but I'm not sure it feels like 25yrs of progress. The class of bikes confuses me in general. 'sports 600s died out because they were too extreme, let's make non-extreme sports bikes for the road'... Neither fish nor fowl.

[@frontendchatter]

Perhaps it's a different kind of progress - not progress in the faster-lighter-harder sense, but progress in that it's a change to meet the different demands of a 2024 rider. It'll be interesting to see how well it sells.

[@WyreForestBiker]

I've ridden a 90's ZZR600 very recently and trust me this will feel like 25 years of progress in every way !

[@stvnkll]

So nice to listen to people who actually know what they’re talking about.

[@frontendchatter]

Thanks for watching!

[@ozzyg82]

As someone in their early 40s, I was just getting into bikes 20-25 years ago and lusted after the latest and greatest super sport machines, only to witness their category nose-dive before my very upset eyes. Now, I’m all for jumping back in and living my undying super sport fantasies, albeit, a little watered down which suites my slightly more sensible vintage. I’ll definitely test ride this at some point soon.

[@chrishart8548]

If you had a sports bike you soon would have learned doing anything other than braking all the laws and risking your life they didn't really make any sense on the road.

[@darren-lewis]

Finally we get some YT content from our favourite two faces made perfect for podcasts. 😉 Looking forward to seeing the channel grow in 2024. 👍

[@frontendchatter]

Cheers for letting our faces into your eyeballs, Darren

[@mattnicholas9842]

My brother has ridden a 675R since 2013 (he'll be riding it on the Borders tour), he loves it and refuses to sell it and buy something sensible even though he's 60, it is something of a medieval torture device but rides as well as any bike I've ever ridden (well maybe my Ducati is as good), hopefully the new one will be as special.

[@frontendchatter]

Cheers Matt - see you on the Borders tour!

[@nanaholic01]

Very informative and objectively presented with the nose dive of midsize supersports category and the work done to the engine that's surely still going to go over the head of those complaining about how this is just a Trident with fairings and don't deserve the Daytona name.

[@frontendchatter]

Thanks very much for watching!

[@mac46rr]

Great informative vid fellas. 😁👍

[@frontendchatter]

Thanks 👍

[@hba5417]

Driving a Trident 660 since 2021 i had the intention to buy a Tiger Sports 660 because of it's better comfort for longer drives. Despite its reduced fun to drive at corners, compared to the Trident. But now.... I can't wait to test drive the Daytona. Seems to combine Sports from the Trident and Comfort (e.g. windshield) from the Tiger. And the pricing is much better than it's named competitors.

[@raimee81]

I test rode a 2023 Street Triple 765, ended up getting a 2017 model. Just sold it for a 2009 Suzuki GSX-R600, because what I really wanted was a sports bike. Almost got a Daytona 675, but the condition was not good. All this in a span of 6 months since I started riding June last year. Although I was eagerly awaiting the new Daytona, I have to admit due to my expectations, I was disappointed. The discussion in this video is changing my opinion on it. The GSX-R is exhilarating to ride, but a more comfortable second bike would be nice. The new Daytona is on the short list. Just waiting for launch and price announcements in my country.

[@MOTOKANDI]

FINALLY, enjoyed this loads! Look forward to more FEC vids!

[@frontendchatter]

Hi Kar! Thanks man. Breakfast soon? 🥓🍳☕

[@niclasroberts]

You buggers don't look anything like the images I conjured up in my head having listened to your dulcet tones on the podcast. Excellent content as usual.

[@frontendchatter]

What, far more handsome? Sorry for the visual disappointments; thank you for listening & watching.

[@davegreenslade4539]

The new bsb sports bike class will have some of these racing!

[@flatcapcaferacer]

I'm a just past 70 years old and I'm very interested in this one.I am probably not the target customer but I own a few bikes and still do some racing. Currently have a Thruxton R, Kawasaki Z900RS SE, Moto Guzzi 1200 Sport, Tiger 900, Royal Enfield Classic Chrome 500 and Honda Monkey. I mentioned those because my interest is varied.I love the three cylinder engines from Triumph and was about to add the Tiger 660 Sport before I heard about this one. I tried the ergonomics on the 1200 Speed Triple RR but found it impossible for my knees and neck. My age consession isn't the bars but the distance between the peg and seat. My normal minimum is 19 inches but that can vary bu where the pegs are mounted fore and aft. On the Thruxton R I quite frequently use the rear pegs for relieve where traffic allows.

[@AST4EVER]

actually i was looking at various review videos of the latest CBR 650R recently and this Daytona is going to be the real competitor to it.... now at the question of, Who's gonna buy these bikes..?? The answer is, people like me, in their 30's, not a deadly fan of back aching supersports, not old enough (yet) for the "cruisers", still want something beautiful and powerful for "daily grocery and shopping" use. 😊😊

[@frontendchatter]

Sounds like the Daytona 660 was built for you exactly!

[@AST4EVER]

​@@frontendchatteryeahhh.... coz when you both were discussing if this Daytona has a shorter wheelbase than CBR i was whispering " its the same inch shorter, which you just told about the shorter trail " 😂😂 this Daytona and its design is tempting, refreshing, lighter, quite powerful and within the budget. It's going to be a difficult choice for us people, depending upon the price, region specific, coz in my country India, but are not listed till date.... keep making these videos....👍👍

[@frontendchatter]

@@AST4EVER Sorry we didn't have wheelbase figures to hand when it came up, but you're right: the Daytona 660 is 1425.6mm; shorter than the CBR650R (1450mm).

[@alister667]

Good stuff!

[@frontendchatter]

Thanks!

[@mikerider58]

A truly wonderful motorcycle with the perfect name. Simply Beautiful 😍

[@PhilWare1]

Nice bike, just wish they hadn't sullied the Daytona name by associating with a downgrade in performance. Surely they could've have found an alternative (either from Triumphs heritage else a new one) and preserve "Daytona" for a future project. "Trident SuperSport" is a name I've seen suggested by others. The price looks interesting, but then I would never buy new which would make a used proper Daytona or even STriple an even better value purchase.

[@tim_biller]

Top scoop!

[@DayleThackeray]

Suzuki missed a trick here, they had this section boxed off for 20yrs with the SV650S. All the manufacturers are going out of their way to re-invent this section. All Suzuki had to do was get the engine through emmissions and with a few tweaks to the power, job done, and still a v-twin with all its character.

[@frontendchatter]

As an SV650S owner for the past 20-odd years, I share your enthusiasm for this all-time classic and similarly wish there was an SV750 to coo over - Martin

[@nathanielgrunwald7817]

Great video guys! Exciting new bike - but as a hip n cool (I wish) 30 year old… I’m not sure this does anything to tempt me away from my FZ6… which, in red, could even be accused of looking similar… 😅

[@frontendchatter]

Thanks, Nathaniel!

[@teneretraveller8980]

I remember the 650-4 you ran on long term, with yellow tyres. Hmm. Not sure why they didn't take off... Love the new Triumphs, but I do wander who the market is, or are they trying to create a new market? The biking demographic is much older now, and speaking for myself it's about how far, not how fast. And it's much less about the bike. At 60 I just want light, manageable tech free biking, that will carry me and her ladyship over any road for a month in the sun in Southern Europe. 100kph is my tourist speed.I'd sooner take a 400x scrambler. And i say that asca previous owner if a 955I. ( 2000) But, great chat. Just found FEC TV.. I'm hooked. Ride safe 👍

[@ianhalliwell8604]

At my age and level of fitness it certainly isn't for me, but I still enjoyed the video. All this tec and extras that modern day bikes have, never mind the prices, are just not for me, i rely on the best bit of tech there is, ie me and my years of experience.

[@Slayer66037]

I think I read somewhere might have been on triumphs website that they are planning on offering a race spec upgrade package with adjustable suspension more aggressive rear sets and maybe more aggressive clip ons

[@sidestandup.]

Top Stuff in Details guys

[@frontendchatter]

Cheers for watching!

[@andysmith2013]

They should have based it on the 765 Street Triple.

[@calbrock6302]

Lovely looking bike, more of these vids ppplllllllleeeeaase

[@frontendchatter]

Thanks - we'll do as many as we can!

[@morgan98801]

My only complaint is the weight but I would be interested. A street biased sport bike is something I like.

[@astrostrotch]

If i wanted value for money I'd buy the new CBR600, however, if i wanted the best bike for our roads it would probably be the Triumph.

[@jasonwood6100]

Great Video. Amazing stat for the sales figures of Supersport Bikes over the 20 years, how things change😮. As Triumph apparently sale more RS versions of the Street Triple than the R, I am surprised they didn’t announce a more sporty version of the Daytona to sit alongside this one.

[@frontendchatter]

Thanks for watching! Triumph won't discuss whether there's a Daytona 660 R in the works or not, only saying the class is extremely price sensitive - the implication being that posher suspension & brakes on an R model could put the price up too high. It'd get some interest, though, and they always did with the Daytona 675 & Street Triples...

[@andrewwelbourn9577]

So they didn’t listen to you @mufga, they called it the Daytona. I do agree, they should have kept the name for a 765 Sportsbike. I wonder if this will be homologated for a racing class alongside the R7, Prilia, etc?

[@mikewoodward3671]

It's going to race in the new National Sportbike Cup alongside BSB with Aaron Silvester in the saddle. Aaron was a Junior Superstock winner last season so this combo should go well.

[@wopadobop]

Triumph is smart in trying to take market share from ducatis 950 supersport line, but.... ducati has the all the race/cornering abs gadgets and upgradeable suspension on the S model. This bike is cheaper but its honestly more in line with that bike than the xz6r really. great hp, geat torque and low revs easy to ride comfortable sports bikes. Not everyone wants a cruiser or adventure bike but still want the wind protection for longer rides that a sports bike can offer And I think the old crotch rocket crews from days past still want that style but not the back ache that comes with it. So far this and the ducati are the only one that seems to get with that program. The r7 just falls flat on power IMHO. and is still a bit wristy.

[@flatcapcaferacer]

Excellent information and presentation. What is the distance between foot peg and seat? Is the seat to peg shorter than the Thruxton R?

[@nigel274]

Im coming up 72....currently ride a VFR1200F which is great but heavy. Think this bike may suite me when look to downsize?

[@frontendchatter]

Sounds like the Daytona might be right up your street - definitely worth a test ride.

[@Motoguzzi750]

I'm older than Si!😮😮

[@davegreenslade4539]

Haha me 2 🙈

[@prathaps848]

The supersport 600class started disappearing once the road traffic started increasing...these bikes were too wide to filter through traffic. Also, the cars got wider (think Suv boom) which made it even more harder....the bikers started using their grey matter more and chose naked 600s or sporty bikes. The hardcore track guys bought them used/pre owned which resulted in even lower sales. The manufacturers gave up once the euro4s kicked in...

[@ktfcmatt]

Do you think it’ll be a worthy upgrade from a 2018 CBR650F? I have put a deposit down so I’m in the queue, but it has to be a lot better for me to change. I’m also looking at the CBR600 and ZX6R but after a back operation last year they might be too harsh.

[@AST4EVER]

937th subscriber....

[@frontendchatter]

If we had one cc for each of you we could make a Ducati Testastretta V-twin...

[@AST4EVER]

​@@frontendchatteractually i was looking at various review videos of the latest CBR 650R recently and this Daytona is going to be the real competitor to it.... now at the question of, Who's gonna buy these bikes..?? The answer is, people like me, in their 30's, not a deadly fan of back aching supersports, not old enough (yet) for the "cruisers", still want something beautiful and powerful for "daily grocery and shopping" use. 😊😊

[@ianhamilton1227]

So who's going to be the first person to jam a crashed 765 RS motor in one of these

[@frontendchatter]

Perfect timing! Have a listen to the next Front End Chatter podcast (out in a couple of days)

[@jasonmelo9379]

They shouldn't have given it this name. You can't make a super sport dumbed down to a regular sport road bike.

[@nickenyfiken9913]

Why do someone prefer this new Daytona instead of the 765 R or RS? What do you think? Thanks for an interesting video/pod Cheers from Sweden 😊👍

[@frontendchatter]

Maybe they might prefer the fully faired sportsbike style; maybe they might prefer that it's more affordable. In the UK the Daytona 660 costs £8595, while a Street Triple 765 R is £9595 and the RS is £11,295. Nice choice to make!

[@edwardbristow1233]

Be interesting to see the market data for sales.

[@Amerigo73]

I also think I'd go to the CBR600RR - I have difficulties understanding this segment. But I'm 50, riding a Speed Triple RS. Btw, I heard that there will be a "racing kit" available for it. Any insights on that?

[@frontendchatter]

Triumph have developed a Daytona 660 race kit with Pete Hickman Racing. It'll include Bitubo suspension, a race ECU, new clip-ons & rearsets, bodywork, etc. The bike will be eligible for the new National Sportbike Championship BSB support class. Price of the race kit not announced yet.

[@MrRGM10]

Anything below now 24 steering angle a flick machine

[@DCGULL01]

A disappointment for genuine Supersport buyers, but as a daily street driver @ $8,600.00 its a complete winner. Closest competitor, Aprilia RS/Tuono 660 other than weight (40Lbs. Lighter). But, that's $11,000 & has more stuff.

[@kanashicat7654]

im in my 30s and looking for a sports mike with fully adjustable suspension, plenty of power preferably more then 100 and something that i can take to the track. none of the new bikes have what im looking for. looks like ill be getting the older 675

[@frontendchatter]

How about the new Honda CBR600RR or Kawasaki ZX-6R? Or the Aprilia RS660?

[@kanashicat7654]

@@frontendchatter way too expensive in Australia. I can pick up a 2013 daytona 675r for around 13k. The new zx6r is 17.5k new

[@frontendchatter]

Can't beat used bikes for value - sounds like the 675R is the right bike for you!

[@kanashicat7654]

@frontendchatter yeah the used market is massive in Australia. I've also seen litre bikes for under 10k, but I'm not going from a 300 to a litre bike straight away plus the daytona 675r is rear in Australia

[@garethevans1751]

Great looking bike, but why do Triumph have such boring colour schemes. I would love a bright Yellow one or a Gloss Black shiny thing

[@frontendchatter]

We thought the same thing! Tbf, the colour from the video was pretty rubbish - makes it look brown - but even in the flesh it's not what you'd call an exciting paint colour.

[@benjy288]

93hp and 200kg wet, I'm not excited at all, they're actually pretty bad specs.

[@paradiddlesixix7530]

i heard mention that they are working on a track version, or an an optional "track pack". and are hoping to run them against the aprilias and r7's (cant remember the race series off hand). any idea on prices of that stuff yet?

[@frontendchatter]

Triumph mentioned a race kit they've been working on with Pete Hickman Racing, but haven't seen a price for it. The series is the National Sportbike Championship, running alongside BSB.

[@splodge5714]

Great bike but I wont be getting rid of my 2002 ZX6R for one.

[@Professor_Gascan]

Did they mention the curb weight and fuel capacity?

[@frontendchatter]

Triumph did; we didn't. Sorry about that. Claimed kerb weight is 201kg; fuel tank capacity is 14 litres. Thanks for the reminder!

[@steved7565]

Will the service intervals be the same as the other current 660 in the range?

[@frontendchatter]

Good question, sorry we didn't cover it. Triumph say service intervals are up to 10,000 miles / 16,000 km apart, though in practice it'll still need a service every year.

[@Croth4r]

How tall is Martin? i'm trying to understand size of new daytona :)

[@frontendchatter]

He's a tediously average 5ft 9in tall, or 177cc. Sorry, cm.

[@Croth4r]

Thanks!@@frontendchatter

[@domsbits3922]

Hope the insurance on this bike is less extreme than the Honda cbr6000r

[@Soul_Searching]

That's how you do a bike review, from the guys that know. There aren't many others on YT that know as much as these 2 guys. The majority are no better than ill informed 'influencers'

[@frontendchatter]

Thank you! That's the nicest way of saying we're old gits 😂

[@Gedv4Tuono]

Good summary - like this format! Seems like a obvious competitor for the CBR650, if it wants to compete with the RS660 (and steal some of its sales success) it’s going to need to go on a crash diet! I read that it weighs 200Kg+? It’s gonna need to be some track pack to lose 20Kg just to match the Aprilia’s road weight?

[@frontendchatter]

Thanks for watching. Sorry we didn't mention weight - the Daytona 660 weighs a claimed 201kg, compared to 183kg for the Aprilia RS660. That said, the Aprilia is £10,300 in the UK, compared to £8595 for the Triumph - so it remains to be seen whether they're really showroom competitors given they're in very different price brackets.

[@chrishart8548]

​@@frontendchatterthe aprilia 660 is more money for a good reason its gorgeous and on paper does everything this triumph doesn't.

[@Croth4r]

I think it will probably beat RS660 in terms of reliability. Aprilia is amazing but forums are flooded with issues - oil leaking, engine coolant leaking, problems with quickshifter, paint easily chipping and many more. It's the worst thing ever for me when its summer and I can't ride because my bike is being repaired :/

[@Gedv4Tuono]

@@frontendchatter it’s a fair point - but it seems to me Triumph might be wanting to have their cake and eat it? If you don’t want it compared to sports bikes, probably best to not name it after your most famous (recent) one?

[@Andy-ds5bj]

Another lazy generalization. I have two Japanese bikes and an Aprilia. The Aprilia hasn't given me any more issues over the years than the Japanese bikes have. I read the Suzuki and Yamaha forums alongside the Aprilia forums and there are issues with ALL bikes.

[@kwicksandz]

R7 is a horrible deal now. I’m looking to upgrade from an r3 and this and the zx4 are on the top of my list RIP r6 😢

[@banestock]

What's the fuel tank capacity?

[@frontendchatter]

Ah, yes, good point, we did forget to cover that. It has a 14-litre fuel tank. Smaller than the CBR650R; larger than the R7; identical to the GSX-8R. Thanks for reminding us!

[@MichaelDisney]

Loving things because they're British isn't nonsense. Telling people what they should think is though.

[@inked-96]

Should have called it the trident supersport. It's not worthy of the daytona name with that spec, in my opinion. It already looks outdated, and it's not even out 😂

[@fazerjohn]

Hey! Hi there!

[@frontendchatter]

👋

[@dardobartoli]

No! the answer to your thumbnail. I think Triumph has made a massive marketing error in its name (though it wouldn't stop me buying it if I liked it) and to be honest its looks. And I suspect you both feel the same. At no point did either of you really look excited about this bike nor wax lyrically about its aesthetics, and that says it all. The way it's going for us (especially here in Wales (eg 20mph introduction)) fast, track orientated bikes are pointless, and all we'll be left with is the looks and 'feel' of motorcycling. Farings reduce 'the feel', great for commute, not so for blasting through Welsh lanes at the ever increasing 50mph zones.

[@ChumiStu]

I don't understand how Triumph can absolutely nail the industry at just the right time... the street triple, speed triple, bonnies, tigers, daytonas etc.. but.. recently they can't do the Daytona name justice. The 765 daytona was the biggest disappointment, hell, even the prototype looks better with scrappy race fairings... Is the 675 the best supersport racebike ever?#

[@S1000xrhp]

Agree with a lot of your points but think the Speed 1200 had a difficult entry into the market, and the RR was definitely a misstep by Triumph. I know they did a lot of rectification work post launch under warranty through their dealer network on screens, electrics including fault codes and quick shifter, rear brakes too. So not everything in their garden is rosy.

[@ChumiStu]

@@S1000xrhp not faultless, but as far as being on trend they've nailed it. Even the new 400's, they're going to piss all over Royal Enfields etc

[@philipmillen4271]

Chinese flim flam froth

[@Bigblueplumbingservice]

On the podcast, we don't see the beard. I don't like the beard.

[@robt2kgmailcom]

Good job on the video, I'm a long time listener of your podcast. This looked like you guys were right at home on the new format. Mufga's beard should get a co-host credit.

[@frontendchatter]

Thanks for listening / watching. The Beard is already getting ideas above its station.