2024 Honda CBR650R vs Triumph Daytona 660 ┃ The CBR Faces its Biggest Rival!

[@AdeptusAmogus]

The unwarranted hate towards the new Daytona 660 is astonishingly stupid. The only people complaining about it are folks mad that its not a track oriented super-sport on par with the ZX-6R. If you actually look at the specs, the Daytona 660 has the highest power/weight and best power/price ratio in the entire middleweight market. People are complaining just to hear themselves talk, and even if the bike was a super-sport that weighed 10 kilos less, had 40 more hp, and a super aggressive track-oriented riding position, 90% of the folks bitching wouldn't even buy it, because it'd cost $15-16k minimum. Its just the vocal minority complaining about the bike.

[@SecondGearYT]

Using the Daytona name is like a double-edged sword. It might boost sales, but it also pisses off the die-hard Daytona fans. I think if triumph named it trident rr or something like that would solve the problem. If it's a really good bike, people will still buy it no matter the name is

[@AdeptusAmogus]

@@SecondGearYT like I've said, on paper, its the best bike in the entire middleweight class, particularly under $10k. Only the RS660 beats it out, but its nearly $3k more.

[@loftyintentions1985]

It's as bad as kawasaki using the ninja name for a fully faired cruiser. Oh yeah, the 650.

[@AdeptusAmogus]

@@loftyintentions1985 the 650 is a Sports Tourer bike, like its big brother Ninja 1000. It was perfectly fine when it came out nearly 2 decades ago in 06' because it undercut all its potential competition by atleast a couple thousand $. Its closest competition would have been the SV 650S, which is more of a naked with a windscreen. Now, while it's still the cheapest middleweight bike, it no longer holds up because it hasn't kept up with advancements made in other bikes. Yamaha and Suzuki both went the route of "you either get a track bike, or you get a naked bike, no in-between" atleast until the GSX-8R this year. And, lets face it, nothing Kawasaki could have done to the Ninja 650 would have made it truly compete with the CBR650R once it came out, even if it was cheaper. So yea, now it feels sluggish and soulless, but 15 years ago, everyone wanted a Ninja. It was literally a household name. I knew the Ninja as a 10 y/o before I even knew Yamaha, Suzuki, and Honda made bikes.

[@loftyintentions1985]

@@AdeptusAmogus they could have upped the power though and made the rider triangle a lot less upright. Doesn't seem like they've developed much or anything and the only selling point is the ninja name. I haven't seen the older ninja thousand so can't comment on rider position but the latest models don't look massively vertical.

[@bamboostick5]

the red daytona just looks gorgeous

[@redomandmanda2800]

People main complaint about the Daytona is the Daytona name, that bike for that price is goldilock, lets hope triumph makes a daytona 675 the same way Honda has the cbr650r and the cbr600rr.

[@johnnyhun1]

there is a reason why the 675 discontinued worldwide meanwhile the cbr600rr never got discontinued only went hiatus in europe due to the eu euro5 regulations

[@iZai53]

No, it's the bike looks itself, it look like a 2006 bike, it look small.

[@SecondGearYT]

Simply naming it Trident RR would solve the problem. though it might not be as appealing for sales compared to the Daytona name.

[@chillglobe]

@@iZai53not just that but the new daytona is kind of like a sports touring like 650r which isn’t that much aggressive compared to 675

[@AdeptusAmogus]

@@chillglobe its not a sports tourer lmfao. It's just not a "Supersport." Thats like calling the Honda CBR650R, Suzuki GSX-8S, Aprilia RS660, and Ducati Supersport 950 sports touring bikes, simply because they're more upright than bikes like the R6/R7, CBR600RR, and ZX-6R.

[@leo0528]

I bought the CBR with E-Clutch in Red... reliability and 4cyl screaming is a childhodd dream...

[@85kkk7]

I just ordered mine. Do you use the E-clutch often?

[@Ghost_stealth_]

Then tell me e clutch varient have quickshifter option or not?

[@Aelavin]

@@Ghost_stealth_ This technology basically requires sensor that is used by quick shifters. And on most tests it looks like an advanced up+down quick shifter (not only firing and fuelling timing is controlled but also the clutch engagement during up/down shifts which leads to really smooth shifts - smoother than most standard quick shifters could ever do).

[@PsyKotyK]

​@@85kkk7where are ypu from ? I cant find anything about a 2024 in canada

[@85kkk7]

@@PsyKotyK I am from Belgium, ours get delivered somewhere around the end of this month according to out dealership. Last I heard, the 2024 model is not coming to NA

[@johnnyhun1]

hearing the sound of the two bike in comparsion the daytona is like a very angry person and the cbr is like a person who is having mental breakdown :DD both sounds great

[@codenamevampire8345]

😅

[@katsukamijo3943]

Really detailed analysis. Nice work!

[@ETHERNNN]

The most informative caption I ever needed, VROOKOOMMMM

[@AST4EVER]

Finally.... i knew it would come.... my demand is fulfilled....

[@BlackArroToons]

That extra 1.4 liters on the CBR650R is a nice thing for potentially further range before needing to refuel. Especially helpful when on a new, unfamiliar backroad in the rural country and trying to find your way back without GPS or a map. Both cool bikes though.

[@outofctrl6734]

4:54 small error: Should be saying "the Daytona has a shorter wheelbase"

[@thedrunkmonk8386]

very well put together!

[@marabiofitsialnyy3530]

both bikes are great but id pick the Honda bcus its a honda

[@marabiofitsialnyy3530]

and it might last forever

[@someoneelse1i1i]

Yep, if it suits your needs you can’t beat it. I’ve got one and I never have any doubts whatsoever that it’s going to run perfectly.

[@chrissmith2114]

Honda, like most makers now have bikes and cars made all over the world, so quality is 'a bit more variable ' than it used to be.

[@sportstermissions]

Never seen a Triumph on the road or in the wild. I'd get the Honda because of it's reliability and quality.

[@someoneelse1i1i]

I’ve got a cbr650r - it’s a great bike. So many great bikes available these days you can easily find one that suits your specific needs and it is practically perfect for me. And you’re right - the Honda reliability “legend” is accurate.

[@JudoMMAster]

lucky you. my neighbor has a Rocket that wakes you up when youre in the dead of sleep

[@SecondGearYT]

Not to mention the dealership and service network.

[@inessadygal4726]

Lucky you, I can't find any Honda CBR650s at any dealers around here. They are expecting to get 1-2 in the region in the spring, I suspect that they will be gone before I could try one out for size.

[@someoneelse1i1i]

@@inessadygal4726 There’s a dealer in West Tennessee that usually has them - don’t know what part of the country you’re in. I’ve got one and I love it. Hope you find one!

[@9Epicman]

Huh never thought the cbr650r would have a near direct competitor. The two cylinders in the weight class arent really that close. I was ignoring the triumph because everyone seems to be complaining about it, but now it seems actually pretty good.

[@AdeptusAmogus]

The only people complaining about it are folks mad that its not a track oriented super-sport on par with the ZX-6R. If you actually look at the specs, the Daytona 660 has the highest power/weight and power/price ratio in the entire middleweight market. People are complaining just to hear themselves talk, and even if the bike was a super-sport that weighed 10 kilos less, had 40 more hp, and a super aggressive track-oriented riding position, 90% of the folks bitching wouldn't even buy it, because it'd cost $15k minimum. Its just the vocal minority complaining about the bike.

[@justin2956]

​And all of that is why I'm buying one day one when it hits the dealer. If I wait too long people are going to figure out the Daytona is now the best bike in the category and the demand will have dealers raising their prices. ​@@AdeptusAmogus

[@someoneelse1i1i]

@@AdeptusAmogusYep, to be honest, if they suit your needs, they’re both great bikes. Almost comes down to a strictly personal choice. I have a cbr650r but if someone wanted to “gift” me the Triumph I would certainly keep it😜.

[@grtbgf]

what do you mean by "the two cylinders in he weight class arent really that close"?

[@AdeptusAmogus]

@@grtbgf The 2cyl Ninja 650 has only 68hp. The R7, only 72hp. The GSX-8R only 82hp. The RS660 has 100hp, but $3k more for 6 more hp is kinda stupid, especially once you start factoring in the cost of parts and maintenance for an Italian bike with a comparatively tiny dealer network. Within a 500 mile radius of me, there's only 15 Aprilia dealerships. Triumph has more than double that, with 40. There's only one Aprilia dealer within 25 miles of me, and I live in the 2nd largest city in the midwest. They're also really just a luxury car dealership that doesn't even actually work on the motorcycles they sell. I'd have to ride nearly 80 miles to Chicago just to get the bike serviced. God forbid you live somewhere more than 100 miles from any major metropolitan area. All that to say, I was still dead set on an RS660 until I saw the Daytona 660 announcement. Now its a no brainer. The Daytona wins hands down.

[@rest1289]

As someone who just bought a Daytona 660 you put it in sport mode and its pretty much the perfect bike power wheelies first gear anytime you want itll power wheelie second gear around 7k rpm thing is a blast it also feels super nimble yeah it tops out around 141 142 bouncing off the limiter but thats plenty fast and if you want more change the sprockets and itll do it, my last bike was an R6 and i have more fun on my daytona the acceleration is a whole different world from my R6

[@iodineclip]

where did you get your sound clip? they are so good, revs, accelerate and downshift. all the sound we ever need to hear !

[@eirikaustad7580]

As long as the exhaust is from Akrapovic I'd assume it's from Akrapovic's website.

[@SeriouslyJohn]

I've had my Daytona 660 for about 4-5 months now and put around 8,300Km on it since I got it. It's my first bike and overall it's been great however the only problems I've heard/seen were fuel pump failures, indicator malfunctions and this one isn't really a big problem but its just squeaky brakes. I haven't had any issues with mine. Yes its first of it production, well here where I'm from in Canada my province got 2025 models so there are going to be problems down the road. I just happen to be one of the guinea pigs to grab one of the first ones. As for reliability, It's been great the bike is fun very easy to take around corners and get up to speed no major or minor mechanical issues * knock on wood *. Hopefully this helps for whoever is deciding on buying a Daytona 660!

[@chrissmith2114]

That triple engine sounds really nice....and Triumph build quality is great...

[@geewoods6590]

Do a comparison with Daytona 660 and the APRILLA RS660 please! x

[@Sayua-chan]

Let's be honest: Honda's CBR update was too lazy and now they're backed into a corner. Price drop? Triumph's offer is tempting and has a very nice creamy sound!

[@grtbgf]

the only upgrade is the display.. anything else i dont see it. Better seat maybe?

[@Luvro_U77]

@@grtbgf e-clutch, new front, new tail (more sporty), better display + connectivity

[@grtbgf]

@@Luvro_U77 I'm talking about upgrades, not news. New front is just new, most think its actually not good looking. And e-clutch is optional and adds nothing to the value of such a bike. They should have upgraded the seat and add riding mods.

[@Luvro_U77]

i like the new back the front is alright doe @@grtbgf

[@roysha1943]

love this video

[@clerich0309]

comparison with exhaust sound nice 🙂

[@williamduckworth305]

Happy with either 1 , or a street triple...😊😊😊

[@akimypvs2041]

E-Clutch 🔥🔥🔥

[@ChrisSauer-oe5ve]

Buy a scooter 🤣

[@_ph4nt0mzz_47]

​@@ChrisSauer-oe5veexactly. Wtf is wrong with people struggling to take off and stop?

[@monsun3365]

​@@_ph4nt0mzz_47 sometimes someone has a disability and it is hard to control the clutch... Coming from a guy who rides a mt07 as it's first and has arthritis... Maybe not so judgemental next time?

[@ktfcmatt]

I have a 2018 CBR650f that I’ve been looking to upgrade for a while. I have a deposit on the new Daytona so I’m hoping it’s different enough to make me switch

[@gameplay9017]

What about the seating posture? Which one is more aggressive?

[@aaron5746]

The Daytona is slightly more aggressive seating position, the Honda is very neutral.

[@angshumansarmah6626]

Here in India, our government puts so much taxes on import that these bikes cost around $15k

[@inessadygal4726]

Love your videos! Do you have Aprilia Tuono 660 vs the new Daytona 660 comparison?

[@ajb1149]

@inessadygal4726 Why would they? they're two different types of bike. The Aprilia RS660 is the natural rival for the Daytona, not the Tuono.

[@PsyKotyK]

​@@ajb1149what makes the tuano differentthen the rs?

[@ajb1149]

@@PsyKotyK The Tuono is a naked street bike and the RS is a sportbike, so the RS is the natural rival to the Daytona

[@shubhamthakur8530]

Tuono would be the competitor of trident 660 ​@@PsyKotyK

[@DESTRUCTOR-jf3sp]

The Daytona kind of does live up to its name ngl, being the most powerful in it's class(sport touring ) even tho it's not a supersport like the 675r.

[@ryuu21]

I am more confused than before...😂

[@JudoMMAster]

honestly same😂 I’m sure this is a great video and makes perfect sense for somebody who’s already balls deep into bikes

[@SpicyThaiTacos]

I was conflicted as well. Then I asked my wife. She said no. Therefore, no more confusion. Problem solved.

[@lAdriianx]

@@SpicyThaiTacos😂😂😂

[@AkaiSupido]

This is what i’ve been talking about in my comment in you another video.. Maybe it will be decided on durability and reliability. By the way, theres no triangle diagrahm?

[@vincecloudchaser2486]

Daytona is the clear winner in terms of performance and if you want to be unique it's a good choice however it comes with an issue of dealership support

[@justinbloem-oe6rf]

Is the CBR650R going to be available in the US?

[@reesewilson9032]

Not the 2024

[@supersprit5733]

Nothing beats Triples's sound.

[@Chris-ef7nx]

Which would be better for a new rider?

[@unusualN0OB]

Anyone know if you can tune the Daytona yet?

[@Nuggetsman]

Except for being a fan of the Honda look (that, in my point of view, isn’t that different), I see no reason to not go to the Daytona 660.

[@Sanfe765RS]

Can u make a video with the Triumph Street Triple 765 RS?

[@OccasionallyEvil]

Good comparison. But I'd take 4 cylinders over three and Honda's reliability record over Triumph's. Winner: Honda.

[@onefastcyclist]

I'll wait for the back to back test ride - the numbers alone aren't enough

[@helideoliveira]

TFT display seems a lux for UK market and maybe other markets, not in the USA nor Brazil, we get lcd , good one but with no smartphone connectivity. Likewise the Edrive isn't offered across the board

[@_ph4nt0mzz_47]

Pretty sure the e clutch is brand new, for the bike industry as a whole. I don't think there's a single other bike out there with this new e clutch thing. Pretty sure the cbr is the first ever bike with such. Regarding TFT displays, most if not all litre bikes and newer 650s and even some 600s and 400s have them. Idk for other types of bikes, but for sport bikes and supersport bikes, TFT displays have been around for a good couple of years afaik

[@lawrencedavidson296]

The cbr 650 has 95hp 59ftp the 660 has 94hp 50ftps so be honest please

[@nadzimpagek3518]

Aaaaa what a harsh decision to make since both of them have actual support in my town

[@Agm1995gamer]

After testing the trident, I would say the ride by wire is a downgrade, not a feature.

[@germanfransiscoaraujolopez439]

Daytona it’s good but I’ll take the Honda because reliability and e-clutch it’s better than quick shifter and I love the Japanese and 4 cylinder I love it 😍

[@stevebidmead5655]

The daytona engine is a re-run of the the street triple 660 engine, not the trident. Trident has 1 throttle body, daytona has 3 like the street triple did

[@sleeper.simulant7327]

Acceleration videos are already out for the Daytona 660. It does 0-200 kmh 4.4 seconds faster then the CBR650R. Daytona 660 0-200 kmh: 12 seconds flat. CBR650R 0-200 kmh: 16.4 seconds. To put into perspective, an MT09 does 0-200 kmh in 11.8 seconds. So this new Daytona is only .2 seconds slower then an MT09… so performance wise in terms of acceleration it’s the clear winner. The CBR does do about 10-15 kmh faster top speed though, it just takes a lot longer to get there…

[@KrypteiaXi]

Bullshit. What videos did you watch? Indian detuned CBR or a bike with a 100kg fatass on it? There is no way that the CBR makes 0-200 in 16 seconds. On this video this bone stock cbr makes it in less than 12 sec: kzbin.info/www/bejne/maTVlqefdrlrbtksi=hgLA82q-zxvg-Ijd Back in the day there were other videos of cbr doing it in 10 seconds. Bon deleted his channel, he did 240 gps and 0-200 in 10 sec with a custom filter and an exhaust.

[@agustinortega5734]

Black cbr650r with no e-clutch😮

[@floydjay]

Quality of japan for me

[@peterlojer2354]

Daytona 660 vs aprilia rs660 please...

[@souviiiik]

i thought my confusion would go away after this video but guess what im even more confused now

[@gianmorencalilung9754]

Cbr650r 🔥🔥

[@leonardoammannati7516]

I have the gsx 8s, amazing bike much better than the other mid naked, for me the best is the gsx 8r if you search for a mid sport bike!!!

[@luisalexandrosmusic]

I just wish a four cylinder like Honda's with the technology of an aprilia rs660😢

[@uusiluuri6676]

Inline4 just sounds more angry 😎

[@entername3840]

But isnt Daytona 3 cylinder engine bike and cbr is an inline 4...that itself is a win

[@メインアカ-h3j]

Western people: New competitive Western models come out, we'll compare them to Japanese bikes On the other hand, when a new competitive Japanese or Asian bike comes out, They don't have a video comparing it to the Western model.

[@lovelessissimo]

The honda looks and sounds better, has more dealership support (that won't be needed because its a honda), and has the better dash. Numerical performance figures are close enough. I'd take the baby blade every time.

[@SecondGearYT]

good point about the dealership support and after-sales service matter.

[@nickcarlogayoma3955]

And now that it's retro looking it's a plus.

[@lovelessissimo]

@@nickcarlogayoma3955 if you say so.

[@_carfreak_2812]

But the Triumph Daytona is more exotic, unique than the CBR.

[@lovelessissimo]

@@_carfreak_2812 I don't live in Japan. It's just as exotic as the daytona to me.

[@rhaymargamier3896]

Cbr 650r❤

[@mmahdim5912]

Honda❤❤❤

[@Sonasthighs]

Dont buy a bike!!! Buy drugs instead :D

[@lawrencedavidson296]

Y r u not showing the cbr actual numbers for power and tourqe

[@SecondGearYT]

It's the actual number, but on the crank, and not on the wheel I used the on crank hp and torque because we didn't have wheel horsepower data for the Daytona yet, as it's a new model, and dyno results can vary if both bikes aren't tested on the same setup. Edit : I'll be sure to mention that in my next video

[@SecondGearYT]

If you still doubt me, just check the Honda official site and look at the CBR's spec tab.😊

[@aequitas8749]

The 660 would have been a great sportsbike... if it were 2016.

[@toorshul8960]

I don't understand the hate against 660, sure it would be better if it didn't have the daytona name because it really isn't even close to daytona 675 but we're talking about a lighter and more powerful bike than a 4 cylinder Honda at the same price.

[@dewejie]

that daytona wouldve been good if it wasnt named a daytona

[@romain45]

cry more

[@faisalkhan786fk]

​He's right, though​@romain45

[@dewejie]

@@romain45still a very solid bike in its class

[@loftyintentions1985]

It's literally a faired trident with a bit more power.

[@davidlagno7717]

They Daytona seems like the better bike on paper. But in 08 I bought a 600RR and my buddy had a Daytona 675. It's exhaust note was the sexiest I'd ever heard , but when it came to STREET, it was gutless compared to RR and the R6 from that time. Even with more torque it just didn't have the top end speed. We rode together for years and all had heavily modified bikes over time and it could never catch up. Too bad that RR got stolen. It was my favorite bike since I started riding in 99.

[@Ghost_stealth_]

Triaumph=old cbr 650r look 😂why too much copy and less diffrence

[@newlift7854]

Daytona 660 Win

[@loftyintentions1985]

It's a faired trident.

[@Iamwhatiam76]

Increase the CBR650 to 115hp and i trade in my ZX6R

[@KrypteiaXi]

nah, 95HP is plenty. The rest is useless mileage reduction.

[@s0rrex]

Kawasaki CX6R has a inline 4 cylinder

[@myfren90]

BATTLE OF BORING BIKES

[@gtsuryateja3905]

ZX6R should be in this place. It'll shite on both Honda and Triumph

[@toorshul8960]

No, they're not even in the same price range and with a price of more than £10.500, you would expect the zx6r shitting on both of these bikes.

[@gtsuryateja3905]

@@toorshul8960 So according to you, Price is a new segment? What the fuck? Honda gets a 4-Cyl, The triumph gets 3-Cyl.

[@Willehable]

It would be a strange comparison because they are very different bikes. The CBR is more of a sports tourer while the ZX6R is a dedicated sportsbike/supersport. Not to mention the ZX6R also quite a bit more expensive. Therefore the Ninja 650 would make more sense to compare but they stated they were comparing bikes with more than 2 cylinders, which the Ninja doesn't have. So yeah, if you're only looking at performance of course the ZX6R would come out on top. A more reasonable comparison would be with the CBR600RR and ZX6R as they are both supersports

[@sourabh2581]

first, know the difference between Supersports & sports tourer bikes, in the Supersports category zx6r can compete with CBR600rr , R6 etc

[@OneCleanKawi]

the ZX6R is a super sport, these are not these are sport tourer, The GSXR-600/750, CBR600RR and R6 are the comp for the ZX6R. The daytona 660 and cbr650r were not made to compete with a zx6r. they were made to compete against the R7, Ninja 650 class

[@sourav2328]

this is the biggest confusion ever ... which one to go for