Trivialising INTIMACY - What the PELICOT case reveals

[@lorih9182]

I miss Fr Mawdsley! I wish he were still podcasting or a guest on podcasts as much as he had been. He's a lighthouse in the fog!

[@joannametcalf8113]

@@lorih9182 👍

[@catholicunscripted]

Hoping to have him on in the new year 🙏

[@Lacey13-i3b]

Can you see my reply?

[@AB-kc3yc]

Thank you all. Feminism and its contribution to the break down of the family has made women more lonely and vulnerable than we ever were 50/60+ years ago.

[@Lacey13-i3b]

That is a lie

[@Lacey13-i3b]

Can you see my reply? I want to know, are women allowed to speak or are we censored?

[@CadyAnBlack]

There is real data available on women's satisfaction with their lives through the waves of feminism. It sure would be embarrassing for you if you just pulled this thought out of your @§§ and posted it as fact without checking if it's true.

[@K-bq3lv]

Actually, it would be the contraceptive pill which in all of human history was the biggest revolution of all. From there came sexual liberation at the cost of physical and emotional health. As for males nothing really changes in their makeup and relationship dynamics.

[@NigerianNinja-d6h]

​@@Lacey13-i3bseriously?! Just Google it

[@discoveringflorida67]

NAME & SHAME the PERPETRATORS!! When the Names and Faces of the PERPETRATORS are on the front pages across the world - only then - will we see change. Only then will our consciousness be Raised. We must SHIFT the FOCUS to the PERPETRATOR and away from the victims. Let the victims heal in peace and let the perpetrators BE ETERNALLY SHAMED for their ATROCITIES!

[@GregoryEastern]

You're so on point with this one ✌🏾 I hate men that abuse women and too start with I had a mother and I wouldn't want nobody abusing my mother so why would I abuse women. They're weak they'll only try that crap on a woman and dare not try that with a man 😮😢😎

[@RedRobin808]

Gavin is like me. I only read or follow what I feel I can stomach. That is an inbuilt safeguard. Giselle's story was a story to far for me.

[@maryharrington8983]

I wish I had your strength. I read it and was stunned - despite having grown up in proximity to Hollywood and witnessing ample depravity. This story just shocked me.

[@Mark3ABE]

Ditto

[@K-bq3lv]

If you read about everyday domestic violence cases and where a woman dies at the rate of one a week, then nothing becomes too shocking. Truly sad yes, but not so surprising as the sex trafficking of women is very common in and around Europe and in the US and Australia. And let's not forget Asia where young children are trafficked. Read the Sophie Hayes story of trafficking. One of many.

[@albatechnique]

Patricia here of Alba Technique. Thank you, as always! A little levity in response to such a deeply serious subject: I got the biggest chuckle out of Katherine’s beautiful femininity, giving internal visuals to poor Mark and Gavin (innocently) with no clue that she was causing them to wince and to keep imposing masculine self-mastery against the internal pictures her commentary was imposing. Hilarious! So Feminine; so Masculine. Yay, God. And yay, all 3 of You, Katherine, Mark and Gavin. A blessed Christmas.

[@HLK-p42]

Freedom for excellence verses a slave to money, sex addiction and unchecked desires. I agree we need to focus on virtue and honouring women and men. Thank you all for your commentary. I hope more people hear you on the importance of honouring The Mary in all women. Treasure all women indeed. ❤️🙏

[@Lacey13-i3b]

You think women are to blame, they need to be better virgins?

[@francefradet2116]

I know of someone who worked as a stripper to pay her studies and had a massive nervous breakdown afterwards. Her brother became a heroin addict. Their father had a parallel family. Posh family from Norfolk. They both recovered. She now is married and bakes cakes and he works and is settled with a family. Godless behaviour destroys the children too They missed a decade of their life suffering thanks to their dad.

[@Lacey13-i3b]

Feminism is to blame, right?

[@CadyAnBlack]

"I have an anecdote to help build up this mob frenzy. Who needs data!?"

[@seansheehy6725]

"Consent" does not make an act morally good or acceptable.

[@CadyAnBlack]

Feminists agree. We talk about "meaningfulness" in consent. You know nothing about us, and you are refusing to learn. Shame on you.

[@trudiswanson9855]

Such a beautiful and compelling conversation.

[@francefradet2116]

Here in Spain the political scientist Santiago Armesilla says human trafficking is deffo a thing. The EU needs cheap labour. It's modern day slavery.

[@MsMounen]

Needs or wants, I wonder.

[@iseeulysses]

One of the oldest and cheapest tricks in the book is pretending you're on the side of the vulnerable whilst making a mint off the back of them. Deception. Exploitation.

[@terezagrbin4357]

today we are salves of wages, so many people accept so many wrong behaviors to have wages

[@CadyAnBlack]

Yes. Feminism rejects nominal consent when one party has power over another. Consent is meaningless unless everyone involved has a truly free choice.

[@56247]

@@CadyAnBlack Consent is meaningless if the action consented to is intrinsically disordered or evil!

[@CadyAnBlack]

@@56247 Is a woman's consent to marry a man meaningful if she has no political or practical choice?

[@diana-wilde]

Brilliant discussion. It saddens me that the husband and the perpetrators have lodged appeals for their sentences to be reduced. Just proves that the more we wallow in habitual sin, we no longer see anything wrong with sin. So instead of remorse, they are feeling like they have been badly done by and don't deserve any punishment. Habitual sin cuts us off from our moral conscience.

[@MegPea391]

An excellent conversation and meditation on our current mess. May God continue to bless the three of you as you seek to speak truth, light and love and point us all to the only WAY we can go.

[@Knight-s2o]

I recommend that everyone watch the video Dr Gavin Ashenden did with the Police woman. The role of nuns in rescuing the victims of sex trafficking worldwide is amazing.

[@TattyKnots7816]

Where can i find that please? Thank you 🙏🏻

[@Knight-s2o]

@TattyKnots7816 Merely Catholic featuring Dr Gavin Ashenden. Catholic Herald podcast on You tube this week. He talks with the former policewomen who runs the Bakhita Centre.

[@leojmullins]

When the normative good is destroyed by the abnormal bad, chaos results.

[@davidmatthews3286]

Just to say that contrary to what Mark said about the rape case, the fact that the court has found the men all guilty shows that the courts do weigh up guilt or innocence against an objective moral law concerning the way men look at and treat women.

[@marklambert5232]

But the fact is it is not objective, it is subjective and determined by a single factor: CONSENT. That is the point I am making, do you not see that? We should be equally repulsed by both Lilly Phillips and what happened in France.

[@yveshadrian5682]

Here, in the press and on radio, Madame Pelicot is shown as a sort of Passionaria. Her sayings are pretty decent. But you're right, she is the epiphenomenon of a whole tendency ; once in the XVIIIth century there was this notion or rather this type : the roué. Pimping as a sort of art. He did not did that for money, non, he did not need any. Boredom ! A pure pascalian divertissment...Pascal, reviens vite, ils sont devenus fous !

[@veganandcatholic]

Please have Father Mawdsley on the programme soon❤

[@kennethainsworth4327]

If a society allows free access to free unlimited pornography , something which should be either illegal or very difficult to access then unfortunately this sort is going to happen.

[@CadyAnBlack]

Keep stroking your ego until you're satisfied. You don't need data. You have "facts" that just feel good.

[@K-bq3lv]

The growth of the internet has made a person's access to all sorts of nasties very easy and in such quantities that it is almost impossible to control and monitor.

[@karlheven8328]

Has nothing to do with that, but i agree it should not be accessible. This sort of thing existed before, so i doubt it is due to it.

[@CadyAnBlack]

@kennethainsworth4327 If we let our neighbors live their own lives, they'll just make peaceful choices that we don't personally approve of!

[@Mark3ABE]

…..”it reminds one of the worst excesses of the French Revolution - and I assume you know what that unfortunate movement led to”.

[@francefradet2116]

Bourgeois western feminism. Not Soviet feminism. Women in the USSR were respected. Now they have passed through that phase of social evolution and have gone back to God and kept all the good stuff of the USSR (social housing, community strength, education standards, culture for all).

[@luciadegroseille-noire8073]

I recommend solzhenitsyn

[@wtharris2343]

I am not sure Alliluyeva and Krupskaya would concur with you

[@mossrhys8372]

I have gotten so much value from Catholic Unscripted but a feel covering this horror story on the eve of Christmas is tone deaf. Please give us more as Saint Paul advises to focus on what is true,noble,right,pure,lovely, and admirable. We can get lost in all that the enemy is doing.

[@marklambert5232]

Message received and understood. I in particular felt that this was an important story because it is current news and says a great deal about the damage being done to people in our culture when you remove God from the equation.

[@jameswall6270]

Always excellent

[@anthonytrepniak3387]

If religion is a prophylactic against this, how can you explain all the abuse in the church?

[@catholicunscripted]

God is. The Church He gave us is. Right worship is. The abuse is the result of ignoring God, ignoring the teachings of the church (none of which say to rape kids and launder money) and worshipping wrongly. Catholic priests are human too.

[@anniethompson1041]

The enemies of the Church have long endeavored to destroy the Church from within and have introduced and encouraged corruption and perversion among the religious people and the Church hierarchy.

[@Lacey13-i3b]

@@catholicunscripted No, there are the boys, but also the view of women as Madonna/wh*re is the problem.

[@luciadegroseille-noire8073]

Can you name a convicted clergyman and if you can can you name two? The truth is microscopic compared to the narrative.

[@HopeLaFleur1975]

How about abuse in other areas. Like sports. Government etc. man is fallen🤦‍♀️

[@K-bq3lv]

The male offenders never received her consent. They assumed they did simply by talking about participation with her husband, as if she her opinions and feelings were right out of the picture and as if she was a chattel and as if he had the right to make all decisions for her, which he did not and does not.

[@edh.9584]

In the book 'From Christendom to Apostolic Mission' from the University of Mary 2022, the author states that in the West the non-Judeo-Christian belief is that freedom of the person's will is the ultimate good and right, even carried to extremes, and there are no other considerations.

[@jesuslovesaves2682]

Very sad the grave misunderstanding and misuse of the human body, the Temple of God which it is. May God grant the mercy of repentance to all suffering from this deception of the Devil. Maranatha

[@teddyc2012]

In regard to that French case, I wonder if possession by a demon is evolved?

[@Raymond-d2l7n]

Lust is heavy. Love is light. ~ Meher Baba

[@francefradet2116]

Love is work personified. It is not light. Work is love personified. Running a home is love. Going out to earn money for your family is love personified. Lol, light! It's the hardest thing you will ever do in your life if you do it correctly!

[@heterodoxx5300]

@@francefradet2116 this is the problem with quotes from secular people. The bible is our only manual about love.

[@Raymond-d2l7n]

@@francefradet2116 You have misunderstood the quote. He meant romantic love as opposed to lust, eros as opposed to agape.

[@HopeLaFleur1975]

The Pellicot circumstances confuse me because. Once it happens but then it continues over a period of time. Why was this woman not suspicious. Rather strange. Also about cancelling Baby its cold out there ! Well how do you explain Shania Twains recent exploitation in LA where cowboy men were gyrating on the stage. It was deplorable!!

[@MsMounen]

She was having blackouts and missing time. He may have suggested to her that she was going mad.

[@HopeLaFleur1975]

@@MsMounenI guess so still over ten years. 🤦‍♀️

[@MsMounen]

@@HopeLaFleur1975 I know. I don't know how she's survived it.

[@K-bq3lv]

She was perplexed about various illnesses she contracted through this and went around to various doctors and thought she was losing her mind. She was also greeted by some of the males, whom she had no recall of ever meeting and put it down to her having issues such as memory loss. She was unaware of his videos until the police caught him up....g another person in public and an assessment by a psychiatrist provided an insight into his attitudes and led the police decide to raid his place for computers where the home vids he made, were discovered. These were shown to her, which naturally caused her tremendous distress and took her some time to work through emotionally.

[@HopeLaFleur1975]

@@MsMounenthere is more to this does not make sense unless she’s not admitting more. 🙆‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

[@disasterblaster3693]

You should check the spelling and pronunciation of Dr. Haugen's name.

[@harrietcornwall6051]

Thank you for this podcast. Perhaps this is a slight tangent, but I've always found the revelations of Eric Gill's abuse of his daughter's and sister disturbing, moreso as he was a convert to Catholicism ... so he didn't have the excuse of not having God in his life ... how do we explain this?

[@katherinehales1206]

Interestingly there was a short mention of a women who was one of a married couple in a nineties television programme about serial relationships in which she and her husband "performed" to camera on Channel 4 UK in order (apparently) to educate us all. They made lots of money and became rich and famous. (Not to me since I never saw or heard of it). Despite the fame and riches she died alone ill and in penury at a fairly young age for the 21st century. I couldn't help feeling sad and that she had been duped by the falsehoods of our youth. Perhaps someone else remembers the name and the project!

[@veronicarowe3960]

Fascinating isnt the correct word to use in this context ? Please consider

[@angelacornell8660]

Oh the old gods are back 😢

[@johnpurcell7525]

Why why why does a woman leave it so long to get out and report it

[@Gingerblaze]

Madam pelicot was drugged.

[@russbianchi8120]

Consider CHRIST STOPPED AT EBOLI by Carlo Levi

[@Gingerblaze]

Unfortunately Lily Philips decided she will now attempt to repeat and raise her challenge from 100 men, to 1000 in Jan or Feb of the new year.

[@marklambert5232]

These choices have consequences she will have to live with for the rest of her life. Imagine if she ever has children?

[@PleaseNThankYou]

TMI

[@turquoiseblue228]

Please correct the victim's name. It's Gisèle Pélicot.

[@serioussally1361]

The title to this video is really tone deaf. 'Trivializing Intimacy'? The woman was drugged and raped over a 10-year period by her husband and a large group of strangers. That's torture. It has nothing to do with intimacy or sex, and everything to do with , and it's definitely not trivial. This is not a theological position on this crime that the church itself would take. In another recent video a priest was wrongly accused of exaggerating his exorcism ministry, which I've seen elsewhere is calumny that has now spread across the internet. Maybe it's time to rethink how you pitch things, do a communications course, etc.

[@luciadegroseille-noire8073]

Your first case complained of the analytic axioms but there can be more than one way of discoursing upon a subject. Your second is an accusation of eronious description but I saw that podcast and they were on the subjects side.

[@ALavin-en1kr]

The thing that made it horrific was those men thinking that the husband authorizing it the woman did not have to authorize it as the husband owned her, she had no will of her own. Awful.

[@Gingerblaze]

@@ALavin-en1kr curious also that none of the men including the husband, question why theyre not aware of how doing this is a desicration of themselves as well as the women they've abused.

[@DenisOhAichir]

They probably did, but didn't care.​@@Gingerblaze

[@marklambert5232]

I think the problem here may be that you have not watched our conversation or, perhaps, you do not understand the points we are making.

[@Lacey13-i3b]

What are you afraid of?

[@jackdavidson2612]

It's demonic.