My Most Controversial* Find Yet (Sensitive Content Warning)

[@Trog]

I hope you enjoyed Halloween review week. That was A LOT of work to produce 8 reviews in a row! If you liked the history in tonight's episode, I have a feeling you'd like this episode too! kzbin.info/www/bejne/g5PTiKCfZduVnaM&ab_channel=TheTrogly%27sGuitarShow

[@luthravin4774]

That was a fun lead up to 🎃 Trogs!! That Rebel was really Wicked Kool!!🎃

[@clarkbabin9799]

That emblem was only a part of the true Confederate flag. That is what is known by all military a battle flag. Not to be confused with a regiment flag. All military when showing colors have their lead or country's flag with a regiment flag and the battle flag . This is fact not opinion. No offense either way. Civil war in truth was said to be about slavery but north south east and west had slaves that took longer than the war to be freed. The war was actually about wealth and the lack of it in the north while the south flourished in wealth . Being that its Halloween it would've been awesome if you played Cemetery Gates.

[@clarkbabin9799]

There's also a company that will plant a tree for you but it's your final resting place . And it's not cheap.

[@corporalrich]

That was really amazing.

[@hellrazor_6663]

I love that guitar,the confederent flag paint job on a guitar,aspecialy on a gibson But gibson les paul custom in confederent flag paint with the matching headstock. Just Amazing

[@darrenlawrence587]

I knew the first riff you were going to play before you even started! 🙂As a Brit with no real historical baggage I find the first thing that flag brings to mind is Skynyrd. The second is those darn Duke boys of Hazzard County. Glad you decided to document this piece.

[@davidabramyk2999]

Should have play the night they drove Dixie down 😊

[@georgeprice4212]

Skynyrd really didn’t even want to use the flag…MCA Records insisted on it , mostly for a tie in with “Sweet Home Alabama”. Even they knew that the flag was associated with the KKK.

[@cartoonsandcannabis]

First riff many learned ever

[@jonsick445]

Same here. Memories of the dukes of hazard throwing the General Lee around the place. I wonder how many Dodge Chargers they actually went through in making that show. Personally I'd happily play that guitar on stage, the UK history just isn't the USA's.

[@musicauthority9939]

@@davidabramyk2999 By the Band. 38 Special and Tom Petty also displayed the Rebel flag..

[@alinack69]

I heard that Zakk's was trashed because he saw Brett Michaels with one and he didn't want to be likened to him, or something like that.

[@amranard]

I love this and hope that it is fact

[@rybones1311]

That is correct. Zakk stated in an interview once he saw Brett Michaels with one, he decided to ...modify... the entire face of the guitar lol

[@fallinghausen2707]

Exactly. I read it in guitar magazine millenials ago.

[@lemmyk8830]

Yip...that's the real story.

[@ALSNewsNow]

What a crap comment by Zakk. I ran the stage at one of the largest casinos in the plains states. IF you (really) work in professional entertainment then you already know Brett Michaels is THE most genuinely nice and truly thankful artist touring today. His shows are ALWAYS full sells including comps and LOUD. After the show he will literally walk out of his way to thank every stagehand he sees. I have many pics with him and he never says no, even to temp crew. The last time I worked his show as stage manager before my permanent medical retirement he even remembered my NAME for god's sake. I've done Brett at least 4 times, and Zakk once on that Hendrix tour. Zakk is a madman on stage and running around the house, but let me assure everyone here that Brett Michaels is the genuinely nicest MF'er in the touring game and everybody knows it. Pure class. Zakk didn't even look at anybody. Just saying.

[@eliwebster509]

I was gonna tell the Zakk Wylde story but you beat me to it. Well done Trogly.

[@hkguitar1984]

I'll be honest, I didn't know about someone setting it on fire! That is crazy. I guess Frampton's Les Paul isn't the only one with a fiery past!

[@yourdrummer2034]

There was a Guitar World or Guitar Player (not sure which guitar magazine it was in) in the mid 90's. In said interview, Zakk said the bottle Cape and a grinder to the guitar happened when he heard Brett Michaels had the same guitar. he didn't want to look to similar to his.

[@devinwalker2246]

@@hkguitar1984 Ozzy was the one who lit it on fire, he hated the flag design

[@hkguitar1984]

@@devinwalker2246 Oh my gosh, and now I know the rest of the story! I gotta say, I find that hilarious! Better he set it on fire than bite the headstock off!

[@scottsheriff2044]

​@@devinwalker2246you Democrats like your misinformation!

[@leahcaudill6559]

Trog, you are the museum!

[@hkguitar1984]

Well Said, very well said Leah

[@joetheman74]

No doubt. Trogly has even taught Gibson a thing or two about their own guitars. They ought to be paying him. I also vote for a Trogly signature Les Paul with Trogly's dragon inlaid in the headstock or painted on it or something. Gibson give this man a signature an hire him as the Gibson company historian or something. Curator of the Gibson museum!

[@JokersWild70]

@@joetheman74 He sells a lot of guitars for those idiots, so for them to deny him purchasing a "Greenie" replica is a slap in the face to him.

[@Molotov_Milkshake]

@@gerryyancey6698 wtf are you talking about though? It's not as if the history books and Wikipedia are being erased. History is there for anyone to learn about it. A statue or a guitar is barely even relevant to what you are saying. By your logic I should get a swastika-adorned Hitler guitar just in case history is forgotten...as if anyone is forgetting the biggest events of the 20th century.

[@Vermonster23]

@@Molotov_Milkshake That is an unhinged and completely nonsensical comment.

[@hughjarrse]

On lighter note, I like how Trogly suggested Zak had sanded the finish to make it more comfortable to play, the addition of the beer bottle tops, not so much

[@BobPapadopoulos]

Wylde didnt destroy it. Ozzy did.

[@G60syncro]

At least he nailed them on the right way for comfort!!

[@DweedleDeeDweedleDoo]

That regular Stars & Stripes Explorer is absolutely killer. I'd never rock a Rebel flag, but that Explorer is something I'd love to own.

[@TiffanyRyeMarston]

same with Dimebags rebel flag wahburn which was a sig model for a while.

[@scottsheriff2044]

Fair Enough!

[@mirraco323]

Important correction from the tour flyer and what you said about the Allman Brothers. They actually did not approve of using the flag, and Gregg Allman said that if you ever see merchandise, or anything involving the Allmans and the rebel flag, just know it did not go through them. Skynyrds use of the rebel flag actually caused tension between the two bands back in the day (Derek Trucks has a story about this from his uncle, Butch Trucks, who was one of the two drummers for the Allman brothers) .

[@FETeching]

Thank you so much for pointing this out. I don’t think anyone can argue the Allman Brothers didn’t understand the finer points of Southern Culture.

[@tonylawrence8882]

Skynyrd did not use the flag . That was MCM idea cause those great liberal record execs wantdd to create turmoil to sell records. I cant beleive people still fall for these tactics

[@hippiebiker3399]

Your demo introduction took me back to a couple of weeks ago at the Hard Rock in Hollywood, Florida. Took my 17 year old grandson to his first concert… Lynyrd Skynyrd. And I must say you pretty much nailed the sound of those intros! Of course, he loved it! Nothing like introducing your grandson to “Freebird” played live! Great job, Trogly!

[@Blueshirt38]

Lynyrd Skynyrd doesn't exist anymore. Just a bunch of old dudes playing covers.

[@holstorrsceadus1990]

What's good kids? Everybody have fun handing out candy?

[@michaelcosta7235]

I was handing out Gibson's but no one showed.

[@hkguitar1984]

@@michaelcosta7235 LOL

[@hkguitar1984]

Greetings Holstorr Booo

[@hkguitar1984]

This is interesting to see a Les Paul from this era. I own a custom ordered 1986 Les Paul Custom and there is not any finish checking at all! I wish I had a set of Tim Shaw pickups for it!

[@shelbyavant5081]

@@hkguitar1984 I have a heavily abused 78 standard in wine red, a real soldier. No checking.

[@_oe_o_e_]

I have my own opinions, like “they shouldve let Sherman finish the job”. But it is interesting to talk about. A little weird how Reverb is kneejerking over not selling it, it’s a historic piece and we gotta talk about the whole shebang.

[@westbethkid]

Sherman is the guy who realizes that--the Confederacy will only give up if the price of the war becomes so terrible, that the Southern public will just say "enough" Kind of like that story Marlon Brando relates in Apocalypse Now--the Viet Cong have to be completely ruthless, even to their own people, to drive the Americans out

[@user-tf5lg7fc9s]

@@westbethkid Wow, coping hard and defending the mass murder of innocent civilians and slaves... Insane.... Imagine thinking Sherman should have genocided whole cities.

[@scottsheriff2044]

Nathan Bedford Forrest

[@jlo7770]

What do you expect it's cancel culture I'm surprised gibson has been canceled for making them, they already tried to cancel dime and he was dead for 20 freaking years. It's so aids, and amazing how easily this generation had been brain washed to thinking silencing speech is a good thing.. Kinda like how everything nazii related in Germany is completely against the law and you'll get thrown in jail for it. Smooth brain thought processes only those who want to erase history think its a good idea. It's so dumb

[@damnstraight7709]

Finish what job ? Burning more vacated towns full of nothing but women and children ? TSWRA [X]

[@junes2k]

Controversial or not, this series of guitars are incredible. Great find, Trogly

[@rowanmartin4397]

Agreed

[@willland1243]

One day I was in the local music store and in came a man with a Gibson guitar in a new finish and the son of owner came out with a flying V in a new color and they asked me what I thought of it. The color was purple burst. It was a pretty finish but I wasn't in to Flying V's but I did love the color. Boy, if I knew it would be a rare color I would have gotten it. It was a pretty color and the man was a Gibson Representative. 🤔🤯 True story.

[@OhhWeOhh]

I read years ago in Guitar World mag that the "someone" who lit Zakk's rebel Les Paul was an enebriated Ozzy

[@steveparish9210]

Good for Ozzy

[@rollingedges9469]

I've played the 70's deluxe with mini gibson humbucker's Stanley Knight from Black Oak Arkansas owned. Jammed with his son travis in high school. He still had an og dyna comp, early 70's small stone and early dd-2.

[@corporalrich]

That's a nice one man! I'd keep it even with the repair. History forgotten is repeated. Your range is getting pretty impressive. You really can play almost anything.

[@paulsworld2]

TRUTH History forgotten is History repeated!!!!!!

[@Molotov_Milkshake]

Yeah that's why I keep a load of Nazi memorabilia all around my house. I need to have Swastika flags on my walls, just in case I forget that the Nazis were a thing. I wouldn't remember otherwise. We should put up swastikas everywhere just in case someone forgets.

[@danc.732]

There's a big difference between forgetting history and honoring history. We don't need statues Confederate or Nazi "heroes" to remember their atrocities.

[@HoiPolloi]

@@Molotov_Milkshake Good points. I keep roman statues in my house so I don't forget that they existed. It's the only way!

[@Molotov_Milkshake]

@@danc.732 Yeah, I imagine a sort of Lincoln emancipation memorial guitar would be a hell of a lot better than this.

[@michaelhall736]

It kind of reminds me of the Dimebag Darrell Confederate flag guitar. If he had went with Gibson that would be something he would have played.

[@Djarra]

Gibson did make an oversized explorer prototype for Dimebag in the 90s. Probably only the one that’s still in his wife’s possession. Iirc it was plain blue. Saw it on a video a few years back. Dime did have a very rare Ace Freely played on stage.

[@michaelhall736]

@@ToTheMaxGaming1 Proof?

[@standinsilence]

@@ToTheMaxGaming1 Say what?

[@user-tf5lg7fc9s]

@@ToTheMaxGaming1 And? There is only one video btw. Imagine being so delusional you think that makes someone racist. Like you've never said the word before, right? lmfao

[@recipoldinasty]

@@standinsilence niga

[@doomsdayStudios.8185]

People need to understand history. You are trying to help people understand that. I love your channel, I am heavily influenced by zakk, and dime, and Randy Rhoads. I think you do good work.

[@hkguitar1984]

I AM TRIGGERED..........................I'll uncontrollably turn my Marshall to 10 I'd love to play that guitar. In all seriousness, it is just a guitar from a past time when the design was perfectly acceptable. Context of Time and History are important.

[@sgt.grinch3299]

I agree. Never tamper with history, the truth of events are very important. Without truth we have no way of dealing with other mutants. God help us! There are too many sissies in this world.

[@hkguitar1984]

@@sgt.grinch3299 Well said Sarge. Some would say that History is written by the Victors. Regardless, History should be learned else it be repeated. Such a cool looking guitar.

[@russell2910]

I live near buffalo NY. On the anniversary of the supermarket shooting my neighbor put up a Confederate flag. Fuck you.

[@adrianr2312]

Happy Halloween everyone!

[@hkguitar1984]

Happy Halloween to you as well Adrian

[@callefty3670]

Everyone has a mental image of their "place", regardless of the truth. Say Italian-American and what comes to mind is the art of Florence, not the slums of Naples. Well Southern rockers did the same thing, singing about an easy live and let live lifestyle of "sweet home Alabama". Don't forget that the Allman Brothers were an integrated Band...but had to watch their backs being long-haired "freaks". It seems things didn't change that much from the Jim Crow days, it was just easier to invent a false image of the "new South" than facing up to the truth. So what to do about that guitar? Destroy it, just like that. Yes that's a tough call but if you put it on display because of it's "historical content" then you better damn well make sure your version of history includes the suffering that's reflected in that finish. The world doesn’t seem half as ugly when you’re not required to pay attention.

[@westbethkid]

Well said! If you display that image, then fucking own up to what it has come to represent!

[@user-tf5lg7fc9s]

@@westbethkid It represents the rebel spirit, the spirit that founded the US in the first place. You cowards only just started parroting "racist! slavery! white supremacy!" when the media started forcing that narrative. The rebel flag was flown when the Berlin wall was torn down. People have always known what it represents, and that isn't what you sheep think it is. It's also insane to suggest all slaves were suffering, like next level delusional to think that. Especially since European slave owners in the US were the least cruel slave owners in history.

[@callefty3670]

@@user-tf5lg7fc9s The iconography of that flag gives license to the kind of stupid narrative the rant above has put on display. It's one thing to be ignorant, it's entirely another to proclaim your ignorance for all the world to see.

[@DheadslayinG]

Haha i knew you would bring up Zakk’s guitar too! I feel the same about the guitar as you do Trogly but I also really appreciate you still making this episode!

[@russellzauner]

needs more bottle caps

[@lorenshoffos7620]

History is history, job well done Trogley.

[@musicauthority9939]

You better get your history correct then. that is not the Confederate flag, it's the Rebel flag. the actual Confederate flag is similar to the United States flag except with additional color's.

[@shovington67]

I'm glad that your talking about it Austin. I'm very middle of the road on the flag myself. Im no historical fanboy of the slavery of man. But its a subject thats gone on since time began for the human race. Tragically, it still goes on today disguised as foreign employment agencies, wage disputes, and passport & Visa thefts. Although, human trafficking is its best known modern struggle. But just because a flag represented a group of people in their struggle, morally right or morally wrong, the loss of historical context is certainly an issue in this arguement. I see both sides in this quite easily. Its easy to pick up something convenient, that you think you know about and burn it for the sake of your virtue signaling. Somehow hoping that a certain group of people will be touched by your gesture. But if your going to do that, why not make the hollow gesture to the slaves in Dubai, or in diamond mines in half a dozen countries in Africa, perhaps Chinese or Mexican immigrants working off their ridiculous human trafficking burdens. What I'm saying, is that there are people that need our help right now, and the best way to help them is by coming together now and putting pressure on the countries and companies benefiting from slavery today. Instead of allowing ourselves be distracted and separated in anger by a chapter of history that should be regarded as historical and possibility for parlay? Was the flag just a symbol of slavery, or was in also about States rights, taxation, Lincolns election, economic issues, and military protection (such as in Texas)? It would seem that its a complex issue, and the flag was obviously more than a singular issue identifier. What people today seem to refuse to see, is that a company like De Beers uses slave labour in unbearable conditions, to attain diamonds and gold, which brides and grooms happily garnish their engagement rings, wedding bands, and anniversary gifts with. This happens thousands of times across America everyday of every year, but we put no effort into stopping the practice by boycotting these jewelry companies, because we get a better deal through the slavery and death of men , women, and children we don't know. Personally, I know the division being sewn is placed there by all political parties, to keep us focused on an issue that has significance, but tha significance is paltry compared to the souls dying right this minute. All we need do, is put the effort we have organized on flags, statues, and hate, to work against modern day slavery, and we'll save actual lives right now, this day, before they're gone forever.

[@mikejohnson3737]

Molly Hatchet played a Hamer Explorer with this design. There are many photo's of this guitar on line.

[@BoneyBobsTreasure]

A very interesting and significant guitar, I was surprised this is such an unusual finish as I had envisaged a lot of people in the 80s and 90s would have this finish given the popularity of southern rock bands.

[@zoocru67]

Can't sell it on reverb or eBay?!?!? Ridiculous.. so sick of all the woke bs.. woke peeps wanting to cancel history..

[@ianybanez6884]

I've been waiting all month for this!!! Oh wow my life is sad lol, still stoked

[@davidpaul6656]

According to Zakk Wylde it was Ozzy who set it on fire and eventually Zakk nailed beer caps onto the top of the guitar

[@lysdexicsoftheworlduntie1881]

The Confederate Flag and the Rebel Flag (also known as the Southern Cross) were 2 different flags. The "Rebel" Flag was the Confederate Battle Flag and was flown exclusively on the battlefield. The actual "official" Confederate Flag had a red, white and blue background like the Texas Flag with a circle of 13 stars in the blue.

[@neotoxo54]

You are correct Sir! Thanks for posting. 👍👍

[@Rocketsredbear]

It's a flag now used to represent the traitorous slave owners. This flag promotes that. Do better.

[@BobPapadopoulos]

You're wrong. This is an Army of Tennessee standard.

[@matthewsherman9765]

The background music sounds like those local PBS shows where local people review local restaurants.

[@sgtshin]

Trogly.. would you be willing to sell it??

[@Heavymetallord1]

I grew up watching Dukes of Hazzard alot, so I always associate the flag with the General Lee But I understand the controversy behind it, but I am also Canadian

[@SubxZeroGamer]

That's funny, I always associate "General Lee" with that awful confederate general who sent hundreds of thousands to their deaths over the right to own people as property. What a weird coincidence that they have the same name? Guess there must just be a lot of "General Lee"s in the south?

[@lucky-rowe2623]

The slavery thing makes me sick but as a child of the late 1970's I sure loved The Dukes of Hazard and that is what this flag reminds me of.

[@Tijuanabill]

Glad to see that people can understand that throughout history, that flag has meant different things to different people. People that stopped waving it now, in order to not offend, are not bad people because they did it when few, if any, were offended before.

[@Fox4ever111]

What did you give for it with the break ?

[@jordonhodges8493]

Thanks for presenting this maturely. Im glad you made it in context

[@therealone1288]

he was literally being a little girl about it

[@eatass5627]

@@therealone1288 exactly thats what jordan liked about hes soft

[@eatass5627]

u sound super gay ur not even black why do u care nigga lol

[@hkguitar1984]

@@therealone1288 More than anything, I believe he is tip-toing through the KZbin monetization mine-field.

[@wesleyalan9179]

@@hkguitar1984 Yep👍 And there's nothing wrong with that!😁 I hope you're doing well, HK✌

[@yoshshmenge294]

I still think the most offensive Gibson is the reverse Flying V 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@j.twibell]

The trick here is to paint the sides and back orange and add an “01” to the back. Then complete the transformation by hucking it over the nearest barn or creek while banjos play frantically in the background The guitar is very interesting and odd to keep it simple. I understand the push back from people based on the looks alone but the fact you probably won’t be able to sell it online kinda feels out of pocket. The worst part to me as an artist is that they charged someone a lot of money to build that guitar and they didn’t even take the time to space the stars out evenly! TRAGIC! Great video, Trogly! I think you handled the subject very well given the circumstances at hand!

[@TheRorySquier]

There are videos of Phil Anselmo from Pantera shouting out 'White Power' during Pantera concerts. It explains why Dime Bag Darrell had so many Confederate guitars.

[@scottsheriff2044]

Phil was right

[@thenameless3271]

The Trogly times are a changin'

[@hailmaryrecordings8255]

Very cool introduction. I appreciate the spirit in which these guitars were made. NO flag, represents a perfect society.

[@Blueshirt38]

Most flags don't represent treason and sedition and slavery though. As far as flags originating from USA go, this is pretty much one of the only ones that does.

[@hailmaryrecordings8255]

@@Blueshirt38 The proper American flag symbolizes the same crime to billions across the globe. It’s a flag. Who gives a shit?

[@Blueshirt38]

@@hailmaryrecordings8255 No, the current 50 star flag was created when there were no slaves. The 34, 35, and 36 star flags were the ones flown over the Union forces while actively fighting states that refused to abolish slavery- so those are technically anti-slavery flags. How many people were enslaved under the Confederate National Flag? Reports say up to 3.9 million. How many people have been enslaved under the 50 star flag? I can't think of any.

[@russell2910]

I live near buffalo NY. On the anniversary of the supermarket shooting my neighbor put up a Confederate flag. I guess he's just imperfect..

[@hailmaryrecordings8255]

@@russell2910 Or, maybe he’s a racist. 🤷🏻‍♂️ You have to deal with these things on a case by case basis. So, Smuggy McSmugalot, you’re not as clever as you think you are.

[@jasonwhitman94]

Could definitely see Billy Idols guitarist play this on the rebel yell tour

[@huntergatherer4223]

Steve Stevens is s liberal turd. I doubt it.

[@paulmolive1821]

I think Steve Stevens did play something like this.

[@extraordinary_ordinary]

Those strap mark on the top of the guitar probably didn't take that long to happen. I have an explorer and the same thing happened to the neck, however, the strap was only left against the neck for a week. You could imagine my surprise when I opened the case and found that :(

[@brushstroke3733]

Wow, that's a trip. Thanks for the warning to all!

[@talltale9760]

Just means your guitar isn’t a stand queen

[@mburtondavis]

Happy Halloween 🎃

[@TestarossaRocks]

Where’d you find it? They are impossible to find.

[@berniesmith8089]

Very well done, sensitive and respectful. The Dimebag guitar is a Dean USA ML. These are incredibly well made instruments and worthy of your review if you ever come across one.

[@korbinblack]

There were also Washburns. Dime had a 10 year contract with Washburn. When it ended he went to Dean.

[@jlo7770]

Yeah it was a washburn not a dean. The only dean he used was his og lightening one, he was at washburn for the majority of his professionally endorced career. He went to dean after his contract ended. Believe he signed in 2003 and was killed in 2004. Dean ran with it and made about 9million "dime" versions before reita went after Dean last year and they pulled everything dime related. All of his most iconic guitars are washburn minus the lightning ML that he had before pantera

[@anglesupremacy123]

⁠@@jlo7770 U are partially right. Dimebag used deans almost exclusively during the 80sand up until 94. During that time he played guitars such as: FBD ml( tobacco burst), Dean from hell (originally maroon coloured), bullet hole ml (originally a custom lightning paint job by dimes tech), Coors light ml (Custom paint job), Tea burst ml and many others. In 94 (or early 95 im not completely sure) he started a contract with washburn and had that going until 04. In 04 his contracts with washburn expired and he went back to dean where they started making him some custom models and also released some signature models for the public. I hope this information finds you well!

[@jlo7770]

@@anglesupremacy123 no... he had the dean from hell the rest were washburn. Maybe pre fame he played dean but all of pantera/ect were wawhburn. He went to dean during damage plan. Everything else was washburn not dean

[@anglesupremacy123]

@@jlo7770 Sorry man but you're gonna have to get your facts straight. There's live footage of dime playing deans beside the dean from hell, all the way from 90-94. He played at least 4 other deans before he contracted with washburn

[@FoggyStJohn]

I don't think Zakk was influenced by Brett Michaels when it comes to buying the rebel flag guitar. My understanding is the mods he did to the body were though. He didn't like that Bret had a similar guitar. So, he started adding the bottle caps.

[@Geetarman69420]

Dude you have been doing a great job with your playing!!!!!!! Have you been practicing more?

[@xenophonkirby]

I've noticed that too.

[@stevestambaugh6501]

History is just that History! Learn from it or live to repeat it. Well done Trogly

[@blood_red_sinnamon_official]

I finally got mod shop strat today The Halloween strat!

[@hkguitar1984]

Very Cool, Congrats Michael

[@jamesjeager129]

Cool and amazing. What color of the finish of your Stratocaster?

[@blood_red_sinnamon_official]

@@jamesjeager129 mocha walnut It has a reversed headstock locking tuners Hss (chrome covered with white plastics) Black pick guard And the vintage style trem I'm pretty happy with it Sounds and feels great

[@jamesjeager129]

@@blood_red_sinnamon_official nice

[@monstrok]

Thanks for bringing this guitar to the forefront! I remember seeing the guitar in ads during the '80's and have never seen one in person. It is a part of Gibson history.

[@sonicaids]

always liked Zakk Wyldes one of these until he burnt it and covered it with bottle caps.

[@graftongodofmemes]

In Australia all that design really means is boss hog and a really sexy chick.

[@hkguitar1984]

👍

[@Wilco1972]

Wouldn't some people have similar reactions to that Union Jack flag guitar, over there?

[@graftongodofmemes]

@@Wilco1972no...we actually recognise that what was done to our ancestors five generations ago, doesn't represent what is happening right now. It's stupidity trying to blame the current generation for what was done 2 centuries ago. That's pretty much our position as a nation, I guess. An Aussie would never feel that way about a bloody flag with stripes on it.

[@musicauthority9939]

That's not the Confederate flag, it's the Rebel flag. the actual Confederate flag is similar to the United States flag. and the Duke's of Hazzard is another misrepresentation of the South.

[@Blueshirt38]

In Japan, all that the rising sun flag really means is nice new lands for nice Japanese people to visit.

[@Kamikaze3557]

Ok, had to post, smile. As a progressive, and lived and born in the north, Chicago, south ,Arkansas and Kansas City. I don’t think of the confederate flag in any emotional way, but understand if it does to some or many, as an artistic design, it’s cool. But I won’t be wasting money on buying the design on a flag, poster etc, I’m not a collector so not on a guitar. Fully understand you buying it, it does look cool and as I’ve seen mentioned, someone in Skynerd played one like that, or am I incorrect?

[@Blueshirt38]

It is a legitimately great design from a vexillogical standpoint, but it is also undeniably, factually representative of a war for racial slavery.

[@user-tf5lg7fc9s]

@@Blueshirt38 War for racial slavery? Except that the war was never over slavery, you delusional ignorant dolt. It was a war against Northern aggression. Read the declarations of secession, nobody was threatening to abolish slavery in slave States. They all mention the transgressions against the slave States, and establish the fact they are slave States that are to only retain one race of slaves.

[@Blueshirt38]

@@user-tf5lg7fc9s Gosh, I wish I could remember what that "northern aggression" was about... Man it just escapes me at this very moment what the ONLY REASON that the "north" was aggressive... Was it something specific that those slave states were doing which the United States was telling them to stop doing? Oh that's right! It was AFRICAN SLAVERY which begat the "northern aggression". I'm glad you are finally coming around and realizing that the ONLY REASON for the war was slavery, as they directly state in their documents that their specific reasoning behind refusing the United States rule of law was to "uphold the tradition of African Slavery."

[@user-tf5lg7fc9s]

@@Blueshirt38 LMFAO, how delusional are you? The US *NEVER* threatened to end slavery once. Nobody was threatening abolishing slavery in the South, they were fine with slavery, as long as the Federal Government (in control by Northern States) was getting money from it. How uneducated are you, bro? Learn how to read, so you can pick up a book and read the basic history of the Civil War.

[@HenritheHorse]

The waving flag Washburn Dimebag had is beautiful! No need to be sensitive.

[@dikinebaks]

That was a scary guitar indeed I can hear the tension in your voice throughout the video

[@PeachBoi_Real]

Is it scary because it has a magical power over you to make you afraid? Or are you scaring yourself?

[@RayC234]

@@PeachBoi_Real I know right?

[@War-pw9kx]

Beautiful guitar! Is this for sale?

[@nickyd9361]

As a teenager in the 90's, i never knew what that flag meant. But a lot of the players i liked had that flag on their guitars. It took a few years for me to understand until someone told me. At least you could make your self record the videos & document it. 👍 Edit: I am not 'murican, nor do i live there. The politics there are on you, idc.... All i wrote was that i never knew that it meant something for others.

[@Left_hand_clapping]

Well said

[@fatboydashredder9877]

Lots of used it for design favor. Mick Mars had the rebel flag on a vest

[@nickyd9361]

@@fatboydashredder9877 I have never really been in to Motley Crue, but i do remember a dude wearing it onstage from a video i saw of them.

[@tonylawrence8882]

You should research historical facts instead of listening to feelings . Why is it not banned in society , christ you ban everuthong else. I will tell you why it isnt , because its not racism its a flag. Funny how the only people calling it racist have worn the word out to mean nothing. Just like every breath you take by sting,they literally played 40 urs of that song in 1 yr and now i turn off the radio when it comes on

[@patriotpizzaman]

I would remind you that the "Rebel Flag" represented the heart of the southern man's will to fight and the pride in their homeland whatever state that may have been. Most people from my generation never thought of it as any kind of racist symbol and many of my black friends in Fayetteville and Lexington N.C. sported them on their shirts, hats and jackets in the 80s and 90s when I lived there. At some point it began to be used as a divisive symbol to fan the dying embers of racism in this country. They (the establishment elites who run this country) want us to aim our sites on each other so that we don't align against them and end their hold on power. Together we are strong. Divided we are weak and easily led into conflict. Doing onto others as we would have them do onto ourselves is as sound of advice as anyone has ever given regarding these and other matters involving relations with our fellow man. Love thy neighbor and do benevolence to all and meaningless disagreements lose their influence on the world around us. I do feel that we should be sensitive to the feelings of others and empathetic to what they're going through but, we cannot allow the world around us to be redefined to make us surrender our dignity and our rights without consequence. I do not wish to quarrel about what it has become known as nor do I cling to it as a badge of pride myself. In all honesty, as someone born in the North who has lived the majority of their life there, I have no sense of sentimentality for it at all nor do I feel a sense of nostalgia for it. I'm just reminded of the gleam in the eyes of those aforementioned friends when they espoused their pride in being from the south and bore that flag as their chosen symbol to reflect that pride. I want to thank you for spurring the memories of the times I shared with them into my consciousness today and wish you all the best in your endeavors. Good day.

[@monsterkxf]

To me it represents the greatest tv car ever, a 69’ Charger R/T General Lee. That’s it 🤘🤘

[@neil2706]

Nah man that's lightning McQueen

[@hkguitar1984]

Not gonna lie, the General has more "air-time" (TV and physically) than any other car. The '69 Charger's lines look like a street fighter, Bad-A$$

[@jr2904]

@@neil2706 bruh, stop it

[@synonyx]

I bet Gibson is already preparing a PR apology statement about this guitar. Even though it's Gibson history.

[@Soyzonar]

i dont like slavery...but thats a cool flag in all times

[@jamesshaw476]

Good job Austin!👋

[@heathenwarrior2522]

In the 80's, lots of us had rebel flags on the wall in the mix of Guns n Roses, Budweiser, Jack Daniels and other heavy metal posters. Some of us wore a rebel flag bandana. I come from a small town and even the school I went to NEVER said anything or taught us what that flag meant. We just thought it was a Heavy Metal, rebel, Rock and Roll thing. There was even African American kids who went to school with us we were friends with that didn't say anything about it. One day I was watching an episode of Golden Girls and Blanche had a Southern Pride celebration thing with that flag hanging up. "Camptown Races aren't as fun as they used to be" episode where Roland explained what that flag really stood for. It made me think and I threw away all of mine. I didn't want associated with what it stood for.

[@mordokch]

Looks like they got to you. oh well. It's a crying shame how people get conned into this nonsense.

[@d.a.6608]

@@mordokch the con is on both sides. You’ve been duped as well. Don’t play innocent and don’t play victim. There are three sides to every story.

[@Blueshirt38]

"There was even African American kids who went to school with us we were friends with that didn't say anything about it." Due to a culture where, especially in the south, black people weren't afforded the same rights, especially about speak out in social situations. If they had complained, they would be called "uppity" or one of the other words that were almost exclusively directed towards black people who didn't stay in line. If you listen to a lot of the old racists, they almost all say that exact same thing. "Black people didn't complain back then, they never said anything about slavery". There were still many sundown towns and no-go areas for black people well into the 2000s. Not calling you a racist by the way, just explaining why "They never complained" is a horrible and ignorant argument used by a lot of racists in the south.

[@heathenwarrior2522]

@@d.a.6608 We didn't know. They never taught us anything about the civil war in my school. Small Town schools focused on sports and we didn't have history classes. It was Social Studies and all we did was learn the names of countries. Most of the time the teachers would leave and not come back till 5 minutes before the bell. I basically had to educate myself and I never knew anything about a civil war till I was 17. My main focus was music and the British invasion. Believe it or not there are people in my former hometown who believe Shakespeare invented the fishing pole. Shakespeare fishing gear.

[@heathenwarrior2522]

@@mordokch I thought it was some sort of a heavy metal and rock n roll thing. Especially when you seen the rock stars of the time sporting this stuff.

[@marks2254]

It was built a long time ago and Gibson didn’t mean anything by it so you can’t hold it against them. To the extent that guitar history is important, the flag guitars are important. Thanks for sharing.

[@sylvestre.rawminey]

I LOVE this one !!! 😻😻😻 Maybe because I’m French…

[@guitarsandguitaraccessories420]

Austin you are getting REALLY GOOD at demoing. Seriously. That was SICK.

[@shaunw9270]

Love it ! As an Englishman this represents Dukes of Hazzard and Rockabilly 👍

[@michaeladar1763]

As an American it represents Slavery. Perhaps you should change your view.

[@shaunw9270]

@@michaeladar1763 Perhaps I shouldn't change my view. Good childhood memories. If I am forced to outwoke you , I'll point out it was the British Empire that stopped the Transatlantic slave trade , and slavery existed forever . You think the English were never slaves ?

[@scottsheriff2044]

​@@shaunw9270the Arabs would castrate their property... And March them across the dessert... The English where good to their slaves. Arabs .........never .

[@brandoshreds]

For all the Allman Bros historians saying they were never associated with the flag... Dont forget Zakk played the Confederate flag guitar on stage with them in 1993 when he filled in for Dickey Betts. I believe that was pre-bottlecaps also! Lol

[@shelbyavant5081]

Great episode, as always Trogs.

[@soulagent79]

It is a bit weird, when aged white boomers decide black people should not be offended by this.

[@westbethkid]

🔥BEST COMMENT OF THE THREAD. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING ON HERE.🔥

[@Ecthelion9]

Mom guitar paint is offending me plis help 😭😭😭

[@rodgerflood7190]

Any Gibson owner wanting to protest I’m looking to release you of your grief .

[@7hursday78]

Basically have to sell it on the “black market?

[@guitarbobification]

Thanks Trogly - Always great to see a rare model. I was a teenager in the late 60's early 70's - the furthest thing from my mind listening to and seeing the Allman brothers and Lynyrd Skynyrd was the civil war and its implications. Being a California kid I always associated those symbols with a style of rock that was new, exciting, and yet unheard by the Van Halen and Motley Crue (which I also loved) crowd that hadn't heard southern rock yet.

[@SubxZeroGamer]

That's great that you were privileged enough to ignore history! Life must be easy for you :)

[@guitarbobification]

@@SubxZeroGamer Since you know nothing about the struggles in my life I'll give you a pass. Being angry and judgemental doesn't solve problems. Getting past stereotypes and taking relationships one on one and giving everyone a fair opportunity has worked the best for me. All the best to you.

[@scottsheriff2044]

​@@SubxZeroGamertied to the whipping post GAYMER

[@scottsheriff2044]

​@@SubxZeroGamerthat's not jam on yet beard,... That's Joe and Hunters man seed... Now ,grow up transexual!

[@SubxZeroGamer]

I hope that you get the help you need for your mental defects@@scottsheriff2044

[@AmbientMelancholy]

What distortion pedal are you using in this video?

[@Trog]

reverb.com/item/59066880-dawner-prince-red-rox-distortion?_aid=growsumo&gs_partner=Trogly

[@isolirionband7300]

​@@Trog is this rebel flag guitar on sale? let me know about it!!

[@Matt-nr1jn]

its kinda funny that they put the loser flag on the victory bass.

[@user-tf5lg7fc9s]

Everyone loses in war, especially a Civil War. But that is funny. God Bless the Confederates that gave their lives to defend freedom from tyranny.

[@AnonymousBosch3158]

This was unexpected!

[@watcherofthemundane]

The Ibanez destroyers with the rising sun flag had similar criticism cause it features the flag Japan flew during ww2

[@therealone1288]

Cringe

[@watcherofthemundane]

@@therealone1288 how do you mean exactly?

[@averagecomrade5072]

@@watcherofthemundane dude was just being dumb probably

[@larryellis406]

So if you want to sell just let me know. Nothing about that guitar makes me feel uncomfortable.

[@lovesgibson]

I get how some people may think the flag is offensive… for a long time I never even knew it was seen as offensive by some because the flag was used a lot in pop culture (dukes of hazard, bands, etc). I was under the impression that most people from the south that like that flag just see it as a symbol of pride of being from the south, and not necessarily that they support all historical aspects of the south, lol.

[@musicauthority9939]

That's not the Confederate flag, it's the Rebel flag. the actual Confederate flag is similar to the United States flag except with additional colors. and the Duke's of Hazzard. is another misrepresentation of the South.

[@GuitarZombie]

correct......most people from the south that like that flag just see it as a symbol of pride of being from the south

[@Rocketsredbear]

@@GuitarZombie pride in a nation that was founded on the purpose of OWNING ACTUAL PEOPLE. Mississippi Ordinance of Secession adopted January 9, 1861 Excerpt from the declaration or articles of secession. “Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery - the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product, which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth."

[@YourWifesBoyfriend]

@@Rocketsredbear You're a liar. Please stick to Twitter for your fake history, thanks!

[@Rocketsredbear]

@@YourWifesBoyfriend A liar huh? Which part? the part where it states explicitly in the articles that they seceded because they wanted to keep slaves? What a joke, get out of here kid.

[@Pauls-World]

Are you gonna sell that guitar? I don’t see it on your website. Thanks for your time

[@mitchpalmer5116]

I'd buy that guitar. How much?

[@leftyo9589]

its just a battle flag, it only carries weight if you give it weight. you cant change history, just learn from it.

[@emilyadams3228]

According to the scale, it carried a lot of weight.

[@HK-21]

LMFAO…should of took that bad boy out trick or treating last night dressed up as a 👻…

[@ElmerSpuda]

It doesn’t mean slavery to me, it means bigoted traitor to the Republic. My great great grandfather was in the 8th Michigan infantry and took a 72mm canister shot through the neck near the start of the war. Ended the war fighting in Sherman’s Army having helped chase the traitors all the way from Pennsylvania to Texas. On foot.

[@patrickkagan5377]

Trogly has made it clear that he's cool with profiting off of hate symbols.

[@emilyadams3228]

@@patrickkagan5377 Apparently not. I haven't seen any BLM or Rainbow Flag guitars on here.

[@averyplaysguitar]

@@emilyadams3228 snowflake detected

[@emilyadams3228]

@@averyplaysguitar "snowflalke detected"...so you have a mirror, so what?

[@averyplaysguitar]

@@emilyadams3228 I've heard better comebacks from 6 year olds

[@brians1793]

16:04 For a moment there I thought that was a sound bite of Fry from Futurama lol.

[@mpashalian7650]

I could have sworn there was a Gary Rossington Epiphone signature model with the rebel flag as well.

[@georgeprice4212]

Nope. Gary himself said that he was opposed to the flag.

[@BobPapadopoulos]

@@georgeprice4212 Uh, no. That's bullshit. He said that after a ton of backlash and 40+ years of abject support, and funny enough this "turn" only came AFTER the band went more "God, Guns, and Country" conservative, while all their anti-racist, anti-war, anti-politician, pro-gun-control, and pro-environmentalism stuff all came while they still used it.

[@georgeprice4212]

@@BobPapadopoulos dude, Gary said that in 1991 DURING AN INTERVIEW PROMOTING LYNYRD SKYNYRD 1991 ! So, you wanna try again?

[@steveparish9210]

@@BobPapadopoulos have fun at the klan, trump rally same thing. Wish I could send you back to Nazi Germany in a time machine you'd love it there

[@scottsheriff2044]

​@@georgeprice4212yes absolutely f***that guy... Rossington who???

[@charlesrocks]

Austin…I’d love to own that guitar. It’s a piece of history. Please let me know if you choose to sell it.

[@clarkbabin9799]

I think the band Black Oak Arkansas had a member who played one of those.

[@TestarossaRocks]

He had a deluxe

[@conahlestrange9794]

As an Englishman I want to understand the issue with this flag more obviously it was the flag of the south (I don’t think it was officially the flag though) who fought for slavery but why today do people fly it ? Is it because they’re racist ? or is it because they want to rebel against the system ? Or maybe both ? Either way what is it that people find offensive in particular and why do people fly it ?

[@user-tf5lg7fc9s]

Fought for slavery? LMFAO. Where did you hear that hilarious lie, from yankee propaganda? Nobody in the war fought to keep or free slaves. The flag was flown when the Berlin wall was torn down. It's a symbol of the American spirit, rebellion against tyranny. The spirit that founded the US.

[@donttalktome4696]

Remember folks, context does matter!

[@flagpainter]

I've read all the comments and agree with the majority of them, great job Trogly dealing with a sensitive subject for some. As a historian and flag maker, I find the whole issue around the one type of battle flag, adopted by hate groups, fascinating because there were literally dozens of styles of confederate battle flags. The "Stars and Bars" or St. Andrew's cross style gets all the grief. If ai painted a guitar blue with a white circle in the middle, (The Hardee style battle flag) nobody would give a rats ass. Or if I painted a guitar with the flag design of any of the country's who ever held people in slavery,(basically most countrys in the world), nobody would give e a rats ass about it. My point is flags represent different things at different times to different people. Again well done Austin.

[@user-tf5lg7fc9s]

Why do you call them hate groups? That sounds like a projection.

[@flagpainter]

I was referring to the modern day KKK and similar groups who openly profess racist ideas while adopting the Stars and Bars

[@user-tf5lg7fc9s]

@@flagpainter How is it racist? Would Japan be racist for saying that only Japanese people should hold positions of power in their nation?

[@rafaelmartinez1917]

Thanks for making the episode and sharing this oddity, really nice review

[@whythesadface]

I didn't know this before but everyone seems to be saying that The Worlds Greatest Democracy had a civil war over an unacceptable practice that all the lesser democracies simply voted to abolish?

[@user-tf5lg7fc9s]

Wow. it's almost like the war wasn't over the abolishing of slavery at all... I wonder what else could be questionable? Maybe every single document explaining they seceded over violation of their rights to operate and make money as States was actually the cause of the war, and not abolishing slavery in the slightest? Nah... but just be conspiracy, right? Racist conspiracy.

[@Studio_940]

Absolutely beautiful line of guitars

[@FETeching]

I'm from the South. We all understand the difference between culturally significant heritage and offensive symbolism. People that cry about the Confederate flag being Southern Heritage rarely if ever confine its use to places dedicated to exploring and preserving Southern Heritage. They wear it on their hats, their shirts, their vehicles, their houses. They buy flag poles. Hell, they even rent billboards, I'm not kidding. When this flag is intentionally used in the South, it is almost always a veiled threat. It's meant to make people uncomfortable. When you grow up here and know the people the fly it, that's obvious. It's passive aggressive bullshit at its finest. You can go to a WWII museum if you want to see a swastika. This should be no different. There are state parks that preserve battlegrounds, there are preserved Forts, museums, Civil War re-enactments all over the place. The Heritage of Slavery and the Civil War is alive and well. When this guitar was made, people had different ideas about this particular flag. But regardless, when you paint this on a guitar you're celebrating it as a symbol whether you recognize it or not. This guitar has nothing to do with heritage or culture. We should all recognize that by this point. I just don't see where anyone benefits from platforming this symbol again. If the only thing that makes this Les Paul special is that it has a hate symbol painted on it, I just don't see the point. Do better Trogly. Make a video where you throw it off a building into a woodchipper. That would be worthwhile content. Maybe take off the hardware and put it in a kit guitar, sell it and give the money to a charity for something BIPOC related. Just to be clear, I'm a dorky white guitar nerd, not a social justice warrior. I'm just disappointed.

[@scottbarnett6687]

Absolutely gorgeous!

[@fallinghausen2707]

Zakk destroyed the top of the guitar BECAUSE of Brad Michaels. He hated that guy and didnt want to be seen as the guy who has a guitar just like Michaels:) I got it from an Interview of zakks maaany years ago.

[@corneliuscrewe8165]

Yep. Trog’s usual level of research.

[@JokersWild70]

The Designer Series white V's, with the blue paint splatter, was what hooked me on guitars as a 13 year old. There were a couple of those Designer Series guitars, aside from just the white V, in the local music store, and I used to just stare at them, up on the wall, and made me want one! A guitar like that seemed sooooooooo far out of reach to me at the time. Here I am today, at almost 52, and I'm fortunate enough, blessed enough...whatever, to have some very exotic and gorgeous guitars in my own collection. But wow, those ads take me back!

[@slagmaggot]

I had the white v with black and silver pinstripes with the gibson pos trem , the trem ruined a decent guitar.

[@ernestschultz5065]

You handled this touchy subject very well.

[@nazfrde]

"...some people feel this represents slavery..." That's because it does.

[@user-tf5lg7fc9s]

@@nazfrde No it doesn't, you're just delusional and ignorant. The only time people cried it represents slavery is when the mainstream media started forcing this narrative.

[@nazfrde]

@@user-tf5lg7fc9s I'm 62 years old and grew up in the South. I knew this before you were born, and before Faux News existed and before the glib buzzword "mainstream media" became a shibboleth.

[@user-tf5lg7fc9s]

@@nazfrde You're assuming I'm not older than you? Thanks for proving how narcissistic you are, I'm 74 and from the South. There has been fake news in the US since the US existed, and even Lincoln had these smol hat folk arrested for trying to spread more hate, create division, and brainwash people into going to war. Hell even President Grant had these people arrested for being carpet baggers with his Order No. 11 while fighting in the Civil War as a general.

[@samiam5557]

The aged Amber Control knobs look best on that guitar.