Trojan Horsed - Attacked From Within (PART 1 - Continued) - with Pastor Modiri

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@29:41 mins Pastor Modiri says, "God will never do for you what your common sense can do for you." That was such a powerful reflection on the inaction that we see in the church and we neglect to do something about it because we are "praying to God."

[@IOSALive]

MelVee Broadcasting Network, Wow, this made my day brighter! Thank you!

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Thank you for the feedback. Did you also watch the first part?

[@molatudimodiri8902]

The context of this discussion is standards in the church and not salvation. Standards of the church don't save anyone. We know that. The issue is one of identity. All organizations have policies and standards. They have a right to have policies and standards. Talk about truth? As Adventists we know that the Truth is Jesus. Only Jesus saves us. We know that. But we have a right to have an identity.

[@VusiIrvinMthimunye]

Beautiful Moruti. As in Gen 3, the curse God spoke to the Woman that " your desire shall be for your husband and ge shall rule over you" is what feminists are fighting. A losing battle. Only in Christ at the cross is the curse removed.

[@therockfortress3933]

It is amazing how Adventists place emphasis on the institution which emphasis should be placed on truth, to an extent that we think the institution is the avenue of salvation. When we speak about our church being infiltrated etc. one gets the impression that we are not aware that the church has been in this Laodicean state (a state where God is outside) since the 1850s. In principle, nothing has changed since then, only the observable impact of the principles are more dramatic today. Laodicean state is the trojan horse.

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@The Rockfortress3933 - Thank you so much for your candid comment. Your observation regarding the emphasis on institutions versus the focus on truth within Adventism resonates with a broader discourse concerning the essence of faith and its expressions, which is what this series of Podcast talks are intimating. Indeed, the tension between institutional adherence and spiritual authenticity is not unique (underline this word and remember it always) to the Adventist denomination. It is a recurrent theme across various religious communities. We must never undermine Adventists for defending their origins, standards and organisation. Leave them with their IDENTITY MARKS! Moreover, your assertion that the observable impact of the principles has become more pronounced in modern times prompts reflection on the evolving socio-cultural landscape and its implications for religious practice and interpretation. In navigating these complexities, it becomes imperative for individuals and communities alike to engage in introspection, seeking alignment with core spiritual values while remaining responsive to the changing dynamics of the contemporary world. Your reference to the Laodicean state, as articulated in the biblical context and applied to the contemporary Adventist experience since the 1850s, raises profound questions about the nature of spiritual complacency and the pursuit of genuine spiritual renewal. I love how you closed your response - Laodicean state is the trojan horse. Wow! Indeed the analogy of the trojan horse underscores the need for vigilance and discernment within religious communities, urging believers to examine the essence of their faith beyond external trappings. Ultimately, the discourse surrounding the Laodicean state serves as a poignant reminder of the enduring relevance of spiritual introspection and renewal within religious communities. It calls upon believers to transcend the confines of institutional structures and embrace the transformative power of authentic faith of Jesus. Thank you once again for sharing your thoughts and contributing to this meaningful dialogue. Melusi

[@AnesuChogugudza]

@therockfortress3933 - “Don’t ever take a fence down until you know the reason why it was put up”. Standards themselves don't save us (Ephesians 2:8-10 focuses on salvation by grace through faith), but they serve important roles: 1. Human Nature: Post-conversion, believers struggle with their inherent sinful nature. Standards help manage this by acting as guidelines or barriers to keep one's base instincts in check. Paul says "I keep under my body and bring it under subjection.." 2. Nature of Salvation: Salvation is depicted as a dynamic, ongoing process rather than a static state. Standards assist in this developmental journey, pushing believers toward the 'ideal'. "The path of the righteous is like the morning sun, shining ever brighter till the full light of day." (Proverbs 4:18) 3. Relationship with God: Obedience to God’s commandments (including adhering to Christian standards) is seen as a way to deepen one's relationship with God. It’s about going beyond the minimum requirements to truly please God, analogous to making an effort in a personal relationship. (1 John 3:22) "We receive because we obey and do what pleases him." not the bare minimum. The rationale for maintaining standards in one’s life is rooted in gratitude and reverence towards God’s mercies. Presenting oneself as a "living sacrifice" is viewed as a reasonable response to divine grace.

[@therockfortress3933]

@@MelVeeBroadcastingNetwork The statement "Leave them with their identity marks" sums up my point. By definition, the Church of Laodicea is content with itself yet it is on the wrong path, to such an extent that it is incapable of understanding its correct state. So it thinks it has the good marks which it does not have. And God have mercy on Laodicea if Laodicea refuses the call to critically reflect on its "good" marks. I suppose it is human nature to find someone to blame. "Those are the infiltrators, those have an agenda" all the while missing the real problem, which is every one of us, and as I said, not since our generation, but since the 1850s. By the way, there is a strong correlation between a Laodicean mindset and a Pharisaical one. Pharisees too, had a wrong impression of themselves, i.e. they too overestimated themselves before God, and they too, found it very easy to blame everyone else for questioning their system and its marks. And their system never changed too, just individuals changed. May be we should carefully consider if the Bible ever taught that Laodicea will ever change. For if in Revelation 3, a change from one church to the next indicated a change of spiritual state, then if Laodicea ever changed its spiritual state, there would have been an eighth church of Revelation recorded. But there isn't.

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@@therockfortress3933 You are saying so much, I appreciate your engagement. I did not understand everything you wrote and why you feel that way, but I appreciate your writing and reaction to the post.

[@sunnygrace17]

Psalms 2: 9-12 (KJV) Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

[@mbewez619]

I enjoyed the interview, if I can get a link to the document I would really appreciate. Thanks Pastor Modiri, this is necessary!

[@atlehangmohono905]

Where can I get the article??