Comparable to DJI O3? - Walksnail Moonlight 4k

[@JustKeepLivingFPV]

That looked really good. Impressed with the other brands, someone said it's only a matter of time before we won't be stuck with DJI.

[@GiantAntCowboy]

Incredible review & comparison! Love the true side by side footage with identical footage. So many people do comparisons videos but don’t take the time to do side by side, or even manage to get the settings properly set. So I appreciate your effort and opinions here. Cheers!

[@jungleb]

Dude, your methodology of side by side is incredible, without mentioning the flying skill

[@Mike0193Azul]

Looks amazing! Glad to see a company giving DJI much needed competition. Hopefully the next reindition can even do 4k/120, 10+ bit depth, bitrate, 422, log, and hdr, etc. Now we need companies challenging DJI’s monopoly on camera drones

[@TRONCATFPV]

Completely agree!

[@Ajwestfpv]

I think autel does a good job for camera drones although they’re very expensive

[@JuicySmullietFPV]

Inside and low light the WS looks like the winner. I actually believed that was O3 so I was pleased to see it wasn’t. Now, like you said, some firmware updates to correct the balance outdoors and/or introduce flat color and WS will make me a happy man. I’m starting to actually feel like I chose wisely now when I went with WS over DJI at the beginning. Well until WS catches up and then DJI drops the O4. 😂

[@Thekidisalright]

Just like what Joshua Barwell said, when all the brands think they can finally take DJI’s lunch, DJI release something new and leave them to eat dust, lol

[@hehe-mq2bk]

@@Thekidisalright O4 is in DJI Avata 2 and it is AMAZING

[@DigitalCruzer]

can't wait to get one, hope it works well with the vrx

[@TRONCATFPV]

I actually did a little bit of testing with the VRX and it performed great! I feel like this is where walksnail products will begin to outshine DJI. Backwards compatibility.

[@NolanGerald]

This would simplify my field rig if it works well with the VRX. I carry around a tripod and 10" screen for a live video feed to show clients what I'm seeing. Currently relies on a LattePanda (Powerful RaspPi) to convert the signal.

[@NolanGerald]

Now with that said it would be great to do a follow up video with the new Moonlight 4K!

[@wallaguest1]

On interior are pretty close in results, WS has a bit more details, but colors sometimes are odd, specially with trees on exterior. Its like it lacks IR filter or is not very effective the one installed. Something green looks washed out on WS. The instant i saw trees i knew WS was left and o3 right. Check 10:08 a container looks green on o3 but blue on WS, Odd color reproduction on WS. Not sure if its the IR filter or the color interpretation on the software side, no idea.

[@adamcfpv5372]

I really like the little 3d printed thing you put the 03 in I would love to to that with a moonlight system

[@gbj6581]

The walksnail looked sharper and the 03 looked softer. For me as a newbie entering the space its going to be hard to decide to go with walksnail or dji 03.

[@SuperGreyfox99]

it's simple everyone compares a product to dJI. Your decision should be go with DJI. Thats what i did and the product has work just fine. And it seems i have the best product because it seems to be the bench mark. I don't sleep with DJI so i dont have to like them. I just use there product. LOL my 2 cents

[@вечная_мерзлота]

​@@SuperGreyfox99 but their goggles shape against any than Chinese face sucks very much . I returned it.

[@Michelsen3K]

Depends. If you like flying toothpicks 2-3 inch quads, there's no chance you get that bulky o3 unit inside. WS nano/lite can. Plus you get WS much cheaper. I run four quads all different sice from 2" to 7" LR with walksnail and couldn't be happier. It's reliable and cheap. I nearly get two air units for one o3 where i live. Money should't be an issue ofc.

[@icebalm]

Wow, initially I was sure the left would have been the O3 because the video on the right for that shot of the chains and the side paneling on the blue house was a blurry mess. Wow, all the indoor shots were easily better on the moonlight. The outdoor shots were kind of a wash between the two. Very surprised that Walksnail is now as good as it is! Thanks for the review.

[@TRONCATFPV]

I was also pleasantly surprised when I sat down at my computer to really compare the two. I've never been happy with the O3 4K capabilities so I was excited to see that level of sharpness on the moonlight. We just need that in 4:3!!

[@BenBB3D]

Great comparison! I would be interested to see footage with sharpness, contrast + saturation set to the minimum. The Moonlight might capture more details but it's also incredibly oversharpened..

[@Foremi]

The moonlight 4k is using a native 16:9 sensor, so no matter what the largest fov is going to be in 16:9 with it. If it had 4:3 or a more square sensor then you could shoot native aspect ratio and crop/stabilize more but not with this cam. The WS V2 cam is 4:3 and does record 1080 4:3 when in 4:3 mode. If Caddx added a proper log, or even half decent "flat" color mode the moonlight 4k would instantly be a far more useful tool. You'd no longer be stuck with color science that clearly doesn't have the sheer size and wealth of DJI/Gopro behind it.

[@dax4812]

Am I the only one who thought moonlight footage was O3, because it looked better?

[@Happyants_]

Not only you me too

[@chatdeau_]

Yea

[@nesar93]

Me too :p

[@X862go]

I know it's way better in low light ✨️

[@RPMadeIt]

Solid review! Also, great flying inside! Would love to see the tune/rates you ran on this

[@daniel13021]

In moonlight iyou can set EV to small negative amount like -0.3 and it solve the overexposure issue. Also I prefer to put the ND filter because if shutter is too fast the image does not look good at all.

[@ShawnG_FPV]

Hell yeah looks promising bud, thanks for sharing the side by side video's with us, cant wait to see what firmware updates are in the near future!

[@mx118racer]

Just as walksnail catches . Dji will drop the 04 system. . Let's hope Dji listens a bit ... 4.3 4k totally agree . It would be nice if recording setting is separate to flying settings.

[@TRONCATFPV]

Yes! forgot to mention that in the video. Having the camera settings separate from the goggle view settings would be an awesome feature.

[@TheGunsNBlades]

But how is the Penetration results?

[@neilfpv]

Can we use Moonlight with our DJI fpv goggles?

[@LehtusBphree2flyFPV]

Do you have the STL file for that camera cage? Make one for the walksnail too. That will be a lot better going between flying drones.

[@alexthebear]

What about long range? Which would push further?

[@TavoFourSeven]

Dji had to slap theirselves when they seen the rubberized grommets... and normal camera dimensions 😂

[@NolanGerald]

And the 25x25 mounting points, can't be overstated enough how annoying mounting an O3 unit.

[@ubodlaj]

Did i miss it ,or it wasnt presented…..range(signal)comparrison??

[@krazed0451]

How has the progress been with Walksnail's firmware? Have the fixed the sudden white balance changes or added 4:3 etc?

[@Zheroz00]

Have/could you post that all-in-one mount? That thing is rad.

[@christopherconkright1317]

You should do a recompare after a few updates I Saw march 21 antiflicker mode

[@susgreg]

What about the range?

[@TRONCATFPV]

I'll have to install the unit on a long range drone to give range a proper test 👍

[@Jpilgrim30]

Question is can they continue to improve and even innovate to keep up with DJI. Also, how much of where they are now can be attributed to having a partnership with DJI for the vistas and such? I guess we’ll find out in time. I wish DJI would come out with a different camera that you could pair with the o3 air unit for low light situation.

[@ninja123488]

I have a couple of questions. is it possible to exchange cameras for each other for example the DJI O3 on Walksnail Moonlight Kit. and Moonlight on the DJI O3 Air Unit?. last question is can one put the Walksnail Moonlight Kit on the Pavo20 Pro Brushless Whoop Quadcopter?

[@KamiKaze-bh3sr]

wow man the WS looks decent, I just bought one, looking forward to flying with it :)

[@Shauny_D]

It looks pretty good. The moonlight is oversharpened like crazy, but all the walksnail stuff is oversharp. Can you drop sharpness? On the 1s boards there is a sharp setting but if you change it, it will just snap back to "high".

[@francocastro4432]

nice video, congratulations for that!, would i know the program that you use for color grading?

[@7808y]

do you think by the time they match or beat the 03, dji will release a better model?

[@TRONCATFPV]

Yes, I think DJI will release O4 before Walksnail surpasses the current O3 capabilities. I feel like walksnail is extremely close behind though!

[@johncgibson4720]

Joshua Bardwell also reported that moonlight actually has more details resolution in good lighting condition. JB said that gopro makes no sense at this point except for people doing analog FPV.

[@skysi]

finally, i Just waited for your review of it. thanks❤

[@hauskatzer764]

I ordered mine Moonlight kit yesterday, cant wait :) Are there any things i should know before starting with it? I would like to use it in a 7 Inch Freestyle/LR TBS Source one V5.

[@Michelsen3K]

So how does it work in your 7" LR? Thanks mate!

[@daygeckoarthawaii1360]

I want to use one of these for something other than drones, and I was hoping someone would show the step by step setup. Your video help but there are some things that weren't explained. Why is there both a 4k and a 720p setting? Is one for transmission and the other recording? What about recording on the receiver? I've been flying drones and doing photogrammetry for years but I just don' t know how FPV works and it's difficult to find info.

[@ididitfinallythankyou]

Thanks for the comparison video. Moonlight 4k looks better than DJI O3 for me. Too bad, I already got the DJI goggles V2 and 2 and don't feel the need of spending more money for another goggles.

[@MaxSMoke777]

I wonder why the O3 footage is getting overly compressed? It might be the KZbin compression. There's a ton blurriness on the O3 side in all of these compressions, at least on my TV. I know the O3 isn't THAT blurry.

[@farisnazeri9841]

Hello ,did you think moonlight fit well in flylens85 03 bracket

[@TRONCATFPV]

The camera will probably fit but the VTX probably won't. The Moonlight is slightly bigger than the O3

[@redmaxxnews2414]

Where can I get an aio mount like that?

[@TRONCATFPV]

www.thingiverse.com/thing:5822673

[@wardex9094]

Has the white balance and a log profile been added?

[@jeffclassics]

Is it possible to have flat or 10bit just by fw updates? Or hardware capped so maybe on next iteration? Thanks

[@squaddingquads]

Good question

[@TRONCATFPV]

From my research, on one of the earlier firmware releases, there was a "flat" color option but it got pulled for some reason. Unfortunately, I didn't get a chance to test it out. Since there is already a color tab I assume there will be color options in the future. 10-Bit I'm not sure about

[@jeffclassics]

@@TRONCATFPV thank you for the updates. At least the flat profile seems possible. I may need to wait a little more. Thank you for a very good review of the product. Kudos to WS

[@DigitalArtisan77]

It’s weird because I felt the walksnail had the older typical DJI high contrast, with a lot of black and also then surprised how warm the DJI looked.

[@Oriel-w2b]

Hello How did you install the Moonlight on Pavo35? It is 2-3mm larger in height. I will be very glad if you answer.

[@daich]

I watched the whole thing but I may have missed it, did you mention the bitrate of the walksnail video file?

[@Binod_lopchan-y2z]

Does it have a log profile? How is the range.

[@TRONCATFPV]

As mentioned, there are no color profiles available. Range I haven't tested

[@Michelsen3K]

Depends on your vtx power output and your antennas on your goggles. I guess something between 4-6km without much inteferences low noise envoirment

[@Yusuf_Kuss]

Hello, I just bought this model of camera and it is getting extremely hot. It gets up to 90 degrees when it's on the table and shuts down. Does your camera get hot? How can I cool the camera?

[@Michelsen3K]

That's just normal. Mine reaches 110celsius when not moving while battery is pluged in. You need to enable the standby mode in your goggles for the walksnail vtx. The vtx will run at minimum output until you arm you quad. But be aware, after 5mins your vtx is already reaching hot temps. Try cooling with a fan

[@Yusuf_Kuss]

@@Michelsen3K Thank you for your feedback

[@grizzlyproduccionesyg5996]

Are the DJI Integra goggles compatible with the CDXX Moonlight?

[@easyefpv6609]

Do you have a walksnail pro camera? I want to knownif the nd filter from the moonlight will fit on it 😅 just yesterday i was flying and the sun was blaring white light right at me and the camera settings didnt get it to where i liked it, so i was thunking of getting a spare nd for this to out on the Pro camera lol

[@TRONCATFPV]

unfortunately I don't have a pro camera to test it on. I just tried it on a polar vista and it worked perfect. It looks like it should be compatible.

[@easyefpv6609]

@TRONCATFPV awesome dude!!! Thank you for the info, much appreciated!

[@michaelwhouse46]

I was wondering this too. I have 3 rigs with the pro camera, I love flying at night, but an nd filter for the day would be nice to have

[@DanielJohnFPV]

First 😉 I've been super curious about this VTX. That O3 mount is awesome for comparisons too!

[@TRONCATFPV]

Right?! I was pretty pumped to finally have a video I could feature it in lol

[@MoeDefinitely901]

0:06 my answer is walk snail is left clip! Edit: I knew it. I’ve been doing research into it and realized the moonlight has better image quality. O3 is trash in terms of image quality. I’d use moonlight without a go pro. I think its a better option for small cinewhoops

[@burnaxel]

Nice comparison

[@bugsy742]

Is there much difference in latency anyone? I’m wanting to move from Analog after 4 years flying but I’d rather not use the dji if possible

[@PoloHungary]

can is use it with dji goggles 2?

[@mateuszpachulski6211]

hey @TRONCAT FPV I would love to get your input

[@BuuFPV]

I'm installing my Moonlight on the drone, I think I should reduce the sharpness of the Moonlight and play with WB, ISO, Shutter speed. I still hope that Caddx will release the new firmware to get smoother footage. DJI probably will launch new camera soon, the O3 is already more than 15 months from the release date.

[@t.m.c.teammulticopter5636]

You won't need the moonlight camera for your drone😊😊

[@alextamez1022]

thank you for the comparsion, even tho the walksnail is 4k, the dji 03 looks way better.

[@MCsCreations]

Nicely done, dude! Thanks!!! 😃 (I'm here after watching Nick's video!) Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@AmericanAbandoned]

So that O3 caddy, any chance you can share the STL :)

[@TRONCATFPV]

I gotchu www.thingiverse.com/thing:5822673

[@johncgibson4720]

Great info. I didn't like DJI's lack of vrx and forcing pilots to be the antenna stalk. Walksnail is the solution for lowkey and stealth piloting. I always set the vrx aside concealed inconspicuously while piloting in public. I feel DJI is ridiculing pilots making pilots wear the antenna on their head.

[@dinosabic5383]

Hey Troncat! Im in the Walksnail ecosystem with my Dominator HD. I was debating if i should swap over to DJI w/Goggles 2 but after watching this, i dont think that makes much sense. Should I just stick with Walksnail and go Goggles X?

[@TRONCATFPV]

I would stick with walksnail if you're already invested in their ecosystem. Even though video quality isn't quite comparable to DJI, they are DAMN close.

[@Mighty_Mik3]

Dang. Based in the reviews etc I all the time thought DJI03 is superior but man. You just made my day with this video. Finally some good example that Moonlight picture quality has an advantage The color reproduction is still a bit behind especially with white colors but sharpness and details are on other level. Beside that as of todays there were probably some updates fixing some issues. Now I know that Moonlight can be use for cinematic commercial videos. I'm gonna build my first drone on this system for sure. Is this fully compatible with Walksnail Avatar Google L? Or do I have to purchase Walksnail Google X to be able to record in 4K?

[@jojosolostar9040]

Please help (how many caddx vista connect with dji intgra

[@DudeWithFPV]

what's about walksnail goggles L and this moonlight?

[@TorontoFPV]

Nice, glad I made the right choice :)

[@KRYPTICFPV]

Man no matter how hard I try I can’t get my 03 footage to look like this it is always noisy even using your settings I just can’t seem to make quality indoor shots look good

[@TRONCATFPV]

I agree 100% I’ve noticed most of the time 2.7k 4:3 D-cinelike looks the best when stabilizing through gyroflow. It oddly looks sharper than 4k 🤷‍♂️ I like using the O3 as a backup cam to my naked GoPros because of this.

[@d00mfish]

Great comparison. If you use a gopro anyways, I would always go with walksnail. They listen to the community and the googles x are so versatile.

[@mohamedmustafa7472]

Why doesnt the link to the purchase work? or does it depend on where you live?

[@TRONCATFPV]

It may depend on where you live, I just checked and all links appear to work

[@gunterstessl629]

Which Range has the Moonlight?

[@Michelsen3K]

Depends on your vtx output power, your antenna setup on your goggles. Maybe 4-6km maybe with those stock v2 antennas

[@michaelcrawford4940]

What frame was that on?

[@TRONCATFPV]

That whole setup was on the pavo35

[@lazyeditor4065]

​@@TRONCATFPV how did you hook up the two antennas of the moonlight on the pavo 35 it has a single antenna mount right?

[@sicco6213]

Wow great work 👏

[@chrisbee5481]

By the time caddx gets to the O3, DJI puts out the O4 😅

[@ZippyFPV]

True, DJI keeps moving the finish line in terms of image quality and transmission. But WS is throwing their name in races DJI refused to. 1s vtx's, goggles with video in/out, low light capabilities, true backwards compatibility, future proofing, etc. There's always going to be some catching up to do with DJI's billion dollar r&d budget but the way WS is differentiating provides significant value to the product and our community.

[@TRONCATFPV]

very well said ZippyFPV

[@johncgibson4720]

11:05 DJI is oversaturating their images, trying to impress. The snow is blue.

[@runforestrunfpv4354]

My wallet feels lighter soon.

[@Cornusse]

I was waiting for this review

[@CosmicSlopVibrations]

Still no live audio 😂

[@Rafa-pt7oh]

Gracias por tu video

[@thelawfamilyproduction329]

Unfair comparisons for night shots. For the O3 if you change the fps to 30 it will significantly improve night fpv

[@divingfalconfpv4602]

I want one.

[@BaldmanFPV]

A little bit more image tuning, the moonlight might triumph.

[@PritishPal]

Wow😳

[@WindjumbieFPV]

👍🏼 200

[@kevofpv]

very good comperison! liked subscribe:*

[@Handcraftedcc]

The walksnail is soo oversharpened...

[@antonche5985]

Самое главное не сделал! Не установил запись в h265!(( зря обзор получился

[@martin09091989]

What ever you or YT did to this footage, my DJI o3 Stuff looks way nicer than this!!! 😆 If the Walksnail footage looks better in comparison like here to DJI, it might be a good option for cinewoops and such. But the FPV footage looks relatively crap... like expected. (crying at a high level) I do fpv for fun, the fact i can do some cinematic shoots as well is just a nice feature to me! For cinematic stuff i recomand a biger rig with a serious camera on top!! A 5 inch "Cinewoop" 😅, can take a full size mirorless camera no problem. Maybe even a 3 inch, my last 3 inch racequad ended up with 280 gramms and 5kg of thrust.. shure thats just for 2 minutes at full tilt but still, it could handel a camera mutiple times biger and heavier as itself.

[@vladimirtalijan]

This is not even a comparison. Walksnail looks like a no name car dashcam, unusable. And the O4 is almost out.

[@DaytonaJim78]

Won’t matter soon in the USA we are fu$&

[@importon]

They both look terrible

[@TRONCATFPV]

Lmao, I wouldn't say terrible necessarily, but theres room for improvement no doubt.

[@Thekidisalright]

When there’s no disclaimer about whether the review unit is bought or sent by the brand, I always take it as an advertisement and it should be treated as such.

[@chrisbee5481]

This dude does this as his job. The youtube is just on the side with hardly any income I guess. The only FPV youtuber that does this as his main job is bardwell. Anyway troncat wouldnt say anything that isnt his true objective opinion. Thats what I can tell from years in this Hobby way in

[@TRONCATFPV]

I can assure you that my reviews are unbiased regardless of whether I bought the product myself or it was sent to me. If Walksnail wanted me to make an advertisement for the moonlight kit, I would not have mentioned the unusable auto WB or all of the features that I wish it had lol.

[@0353luca]

god i disslike both, o3 might do decent for fast footage, seems smoother, the walksnail looks like a 30fps video where the o3 looks like 60fps, just alot smoother, but the image is blurry, the walksnail have a way sharper image, but the studdering, watching on a 2k 144hz screen, i really dont think either comes close to a action cam, i prefer the 4k 60fps footage from a insta360 or newer gopro, insta360 has amazingly steady image, and dont crop it like gyroflow does, i was kinda hyped for the moonlight kit, but i will be sticking to the walksnail pro kit instead, or the v1 kit, love walksnail, but that image isnt worth the money, neither is this 03 footage, didnt notice when watching the video, but ever detail when paused, nails in the building portio almost dissapear, details on the house gone, inside the thread basket, blurry like not wearing glasses.... will wait for 4k 120fps it seems