Troy Hector vs Ajax

nice fight...

[@cbhitman1]

Achilles' reaction at the end is classic.

[@Angryskeleton]

This may be my fav' duel I've ever seen in a movie.

[@Werejabberwock]

So, the first time I had really been exposed to Greek Mythology was in Age of Mythology, which features Ajax pretty definetly as a good guy. So I was really surprised when I found myself wanting Hector to win. This movie did a good job of making him a likeable character.

[@Thebirdwolf]

THIS MOVIE IS ONE OF THE BEST EVER

[@julian2s]

I love how he breaks off part of the spear and beats hector with it.

[@ShakespearsWork]

Ajax: "You see this spear you stabbed me with? I'm going to beat you over the head with it now."

[@Xxthepunisher]

@PTCovers Could you explain? what do you mean when he didnt get achilles armor? Im a history lover so thnx in advance if you can give me moar info about it :D

[@robotminione]

I know, right, and he's all like "you just took out a horse...with your _shield_"

[@mikebart70]

Hector goes for it, even when his enemy IS bigger and stronger. Respect.

[@MrWINNSLAW]

"I would like to see Conan from the first Conan movie take on Ajax."

[@mansonjoselito]

Hector was fighting a giant! Very good scene

[@NevadaWPFan]

James Horner's music is just beautiful. And to think he only had two weeks to write the entire score for the film just shows how great he is!

[@nuubez]

I like how at 0:24 Hector's arms didn't crumble from the pressure as you would expect from the impact of that swing.

[@KartarNighthawk]

One of the few things I like in this movie: Ajax's attitude. Hector skewers him. Does he give up? No. He keeps right on going, on the premise that if he's going to die, he's at least going to try and take Hector with him. RIP, big guy.

[@ZR1Terror]

Hector and Achillies were beasts!!

[@harpiyon]

@fullmetalfunk wow great idea, transcribing the Iliad & Odyssey into music!! I think nobody did that so far (except maybe some individual songs). there´s so many themes & motives in the Iliad & Odyssey: each hero / foe, each woman, the major battles / duels, the deaths of heroes, artifacts ("the Walls of Troy", "the Spear of Achilles", "the Wooden Horse" etc.), situations ("the Wrath of Achilles", "the Madness of Ajax", "the sack of Troy" etc.) there´s plenty for 10 albums :) good luck man!!

[@tiagoinka]

That my whole point. I think therefore the screenwriter has all the right to change a couple of things here and there. By letting Ajax die on the battlefield against Hector he has successfuly shown to the audience how brave and strong was Ajax (who otherwise would get no major role anyway), and how skillful was Hector. A double win.

[@MagnificentFiend]

So badass!

[@NightCoreEffect]

you know someones badass when they can still punch you in the face after being impaled.

[@godly04]

Anyone who can snap a spear in half that has been stabbed into his stomach and beat his opponent with it is a certified badass in my opinion

[@YurginRulz23]

very nice lol good one :D

[@harpiyon]

@Lhein33 it´s not an "information" but a renarration, i.e. a novel, "The Song of Troy" by Colleen McCullough. there she tries to tell the events as thy might really have happened. the book is interesting, entertaining & throws a new light on some of the heroes & events (it doesn´t contradict the Iliad though). it made me think that some things might have been different as they´re told in the Iliad. of course wo don´t even know if the characters really existed. yes, it´s literature :)

[@rickriodan8583]

i like how every greek soldier is still fighting in a line.... and ajax is just '' GET OUTA MY WAY

[@dimalex8]

we also know that some of these heroes existed. The palace of Odysseus was found in Epirus, a tomb with Achilles name dated 10th century b.c. was found in thessaly. A mention in the trojan war was found in hittite inscriptions. Also dont forget what myth and mythology means in greek, it means "quick history"(historical events written or told quickly from mouth to mouth)

[@Ray-oj6xf]

What potato was this recorded on please?

[@AbrahamLincoln4]

You can't expect much in 1000 bc

[@harpiyon]

@Lhein33 i read a modern renarration of the Trojan War, "The Song of Troy" by Colleen McCullough, in which she tries to give an historic account without any mystic stuff. Achilles was busy conquering the allies of Troy & came back to Troy only in the 10th year of the war, when all allies were defeated or destroyed. He had heard of Hector & wanted to meet him on the battlefield. Hector had also heard of Achilles & wanted to to meet him. But they had to wait for that for 10 years.

[@321Worlds]

Ajax was serously dowplayed in this flick, in order to let Achilles shine - I love the way he ushes the broken spearhandle as a club after being almost impailed!

[@corvinbane]

Good fight, and Hector the best fighter in this movie wins, who would have guessed.

[@BattlestarDamocles]

Ajax meets his match, LOL :) Great stuff. I always thought it was a carpet freshner or industrial cleaner myself.

[@tirumalavan09]

Ajaz did not die in the Trojan War. It was him and Odysseus who retrieved Achilles's body and performed the funeral rites. There are a couple of stories of Ajax and his adventures after the war.

[@Simonius900]

Correct, Ajax and Hector fight one whole day, and ended with da draw, and they hab after this great respect to each other. Later when Achilles was killed Odysseus and Ajay safed Achilles Bodie and had the Wordlaw for his Armour, which Odysseus won, because he was very skilled with words. In this night Ajay had a nightmare, and raged up, because of Odysseus and killed all his Sheeps. When his Rage was over he killed himself with his own Sword because of shame.

[@godly04]

Anyone who can get their stomach stabbed by a spear, break it in half then beat his opponent with it is a certified badass in my book ^.^

[@TruthNerds]

Yes, I liked Ajax a lot when he sees Achilles fighting on the beach, he ignores that rat Agamemnon's command just to help him. He even rows the ship, though he's a king, to make it go faster. Then he fights valiantly, oblivious to the fact that he himself might get hurt, and not because of self-satisfaction as in many heroes. A friend in need is a friend indeed And then they had him die so early. *sniff*

[@aritv9575]

I never read the Iliad before I watched Troy... but after reading Homer's epic poem and then re-watching some of Troy's scenes... I find it amusing how inaccurate Troy is... but it still is aesthetically pleasing to watch

[@supersan16]

in the poem Hector and Ajax matched eachother move for move till sunset then they duelled several times throughout the war but never managed 2 kill eachother when i read it i also pictured Ajax as some 200 pound of pure muscle guy towering above Hector... like a David vs Goliath kinda scene

[@briannastrome]

i dont know.mean you in real life or in film?

[@amthe14U2NV]

In the Illiad, Ajax weilds a spear not a hammer and was considered the second greatest Greek in terms of fighting skills. However its states that he lost a sparring contest with Diomedes. In the film where Hector leads the Apollonian Guard to the beach front and Patroclus is mistaken for Achillies and killed, the Illiad says that Ajax held them off almost single handed jumping ship to ship to fight them.

[@kkovots5139]

The Trojan War really happened.But not for Helen..The Greeks were enthusiased by the gold and glory of Troy and they wanted to conquer it.They really fought a 10 years war and many of these warriors were real.They conquered Troy after 10 years of fighting just to steal its treasures.Hommer unfortunately was not a historian but a lyric poet.It is amazing how he describes the arms,the traditions and culture of both sides.And he referred too much to Gods playing a major part in this war.

[@Sacrilege83]

Sure beats the heck out of Wolverine vs Sabretooth x-men fight scene.

[@harpiyon]

@sock1235 yes i see... that´s also a way to discuss. thank you for that.

[@Slawollos]

I think Hector is better than Achilles! Really nice fight!

[@nik4722]

In Illiad there were two heroes with the name Ajax. Ajax the Telamonios who is the guy shown in the movie and Ajax the Lokros who was a prince and didn't put him on the film. On contrary with this Ajax, the Lokros one was small but very fast that only Achilles could beat him running. He was also one of the best archers.

[@krautsurfa]

I hate it, when great heros and warriors are dying in hollywood movies. it's such a shame for the great Ajax, he deserves a bigger show

[@TheHvyMetalZombie]

Tyler Mane is a great actor.

[@7aChAry8]

lol just like the scene in meet the spartans where ,i forgot his name, was fighting rocky haha!!

[@BrotherMatzii]

aah, i love that to :P

[@briannastrome]

je to super film... skoda ze si v CR.. moc daleko:DD inak by sme mohli pozerat u mna doma..vsak zozen si dvdcko nie?? alebo ti poslem postou:D

[@coolio336]

@brian2189114 You're right about that. However for the purposes of entertainment they obviously have to make changes to the original story. But still you would agree that it is cool to see such scenes inacted in films. You can appreciate the battles that occured in the past between such legends as Hector and Ajax.

[@CompleteCarnage99]

what a badass

[@xyPERSON]

It was sad to see Ajax die but then again Hector did what was best for his army. Ajax was clearly a BIG threat.

[@Qtrademark]

wisgliebau you're right about Ajax :) I did like Eric Bana's portrayal of Hector in terms of his compassion and the fact that he cannot escape his fate and Troy's fate. But they messed with the story so much: Achilles and Paris alive for the sacking of Troy, Menelaus and Ajax killed by Hector, Briesis killing Agamemnon, etc. you might as well as call it a different story.

[@harpiyon]

@fullmetalfunk i can imagine it´s not easy. but it´d be really cool, renarrating the stories for a young audience who maybe doesn´t know so much about the original epics. they might be very old but they have everything a modern soap opera has: love, friendship, heroes, villains, cowards, cheating, hope, disappointment, forgiveness, revenge, inner conflicts, outer conflicts, suspense, drama, etc. etc. etc. good luck with your songs.

[@brentlionakaboldchamp]

@TheLordKnightmare I completely agree.

[@SiisiiLovESMJ]

LOL @ Achilles.. hes like "fuck i got some competition"

[@TheBrotherTroy]

Beast

[@Premoguys]

Tbh if not with a stone mace and a beard of scardinavian god, thats how Homer described Ajax in his poem. He was the tallest fighter the greeks brought along and the strongest warrior they had. He actually fought against Hector and the match ended to a draw.

[@macbeasty]

i love the swing sound of ajax's hammer at 0:33

[@TheRiboka]

also my favourite hero from age of mythology :)

[@wolfpackleaderalpha]

Yeah, I'll bet you love the thought of that

[@ultimategoobah]

pcs?

[@WizardOfHumor1989]

The Hulk vs Michael Myers!

[@briannastrome]

thank you...i will remember

[@theturtlewaspaul]

That's exactly what I was thinking.

[@Larrymh07]

@MAnnaconduit1 Thank you for clearing that up for me. I really need to get a good translation of the Illiad. Cheers!

[@ivan55599]

in that movie men were iron and full of anger

[@Bigp5437]

You know you're a beast when you have to get impaled TWICE to die lol...

[@Itisamuh]

Hector's really lucky the swing at 0:46 didn't connect; it would've taken his head off. I think this fight, with the epic music and how evenly matched it was, was better than the Hector vs Achilles fight to be honest. Not that Hector didn't put up a worthy fight against Achilles, but there was never any question as to who had the advantage there.

[@irontusk341]

i noticed they replaced ajax grunts and growls... i have the dvd version of this and his grunts and growls sound totally different

[@granitin3]

True I hate when movie's change the story also Menelaus never dies in the iliad. Also I wish the scene where Diomedes messes up mad trojans and wounds ares that wound be a sick scene

[@kaeso100]

@videogamespoofer True, depending on whose version of mythology you read.

[@archery75689]

hey, in the iliad, was this man known as Aias?

[@Qtrademark]

Never happened in the Iliad. Hector and Ajax fought to a draw (although Ajax had the upper hand) and both sides stopped the fight and called it a draw. They exchanged gifts. Hector gave him a sword, which Ajax later used to kill himself after being denied the honor of Achilles' honor which went to Odysseus and Ajax gave Hector a belt which Achilles later used to drag Hector's corpse from his chariot. Another thing, Hector, Ajax and Achilles were all big men, not like in the movie "Troy."

[@Mc37mc81]

great fight. 2bad it wasnt longer.

[@jduttskywalker]

You know Ajax was also Michael Myers in Rob Zombie's Halloween. How fitting, Ajax get stabbed with a spear and just keeps going.

[@Lhein33]

@Kisk79 That's exactly what I said. That he didn't kill himself because they denied him to lead Achilles' army, but because Achilles' armour was given to Odysseus. What do "most versions" say that I didn't say? If you mean the killing of the sheep, you're right. But that is not a contrast but a add by Sophocles.

[@danteandcratosman89]

@harpiyon good analogy, i am a classics student doing the Iliad and i agree with you, can't believe they had Hector killing Ajax, they fight but it looked like Ajax would win because he buckled Hector's shield with the rock, how do you know all this?

[@Excalibur32]

coooooooooool

[@greatlotrfan]

hell yes

[@MagnificentFiend]

Yeah, that would've been a cool fight. I just wish they'd included Philoctetes killing Paris...

[@BlackoutOmega]

@hdrd92 Yeah but movies never really stay true to the books. I mean, if you already read the book whats the point of watching the movie?

[@fullmetalfunk]

@harpiyon Agreed! Thanks man. :)

[@brentlionakaboldchamp]

..i agree, dude was a monster!

[@fullmetalfunk]

@harpiyon Thanks man! I was thinking of getting down to the base story and some of the themes and just and write two albums worth of stuff, so like 20 songs maybe. I've got like...3. It's hard haha, especially since lyrics aren't my string point.

[@NealX]

@MacBubbles How about a vulcan minigun?

[@YumYum959]

Is dis movy about greek mythology o som oder belif cuz i don remember any hectors in grek mythology.

[@Antlion666]

This film should have just been called the Adventures of Ajax.

[@brian2189114]

@PTCovers I care. I actually read the Odyssey in my English class. The W. H. D. Rouse translation. I thought there were two Ajax's or Aias's and one was the lesser and the other was the greater. In the book one of them died how you described and the other died in a storm being killed by Poseidon. Either way this doesn't match up, but still it was an awsome movie none the less.

[@Halofreakanoid]

@MarioDungeonDice : Which is strange since that's not a lethal point to be shot at. Perhaps the arrow was poisoned in real life? Or maybe it managed to sever a big vein/artery?

[@harpiyon]

@Lhein33 sorry it´s Agenor not Antenor :) my mistake. anyway, i hope you get my point.

[@Lhein33]

@MacBubbles That's true, but I think that all the other Trojans hit by Ajax didn't lose their helmets. It's generally believed by the producers of many flms that helmets prevent the audience from recognizing the fighters or seeing their facial expressions. In Troy, in the duels between Hector-Achilles, Ajax-Hector and Paris-Menelaus, all these men lose their helmets one way or another (except for Menelaus).

[@Korbu3]

It's just awesome...Hector was really lucky in this fight :p

[@zodiac987654321]

like a BOSS

[@jimihumhumnukuapua]

well if they have to include all of the heroes and battles from the illad, 10 movies like that, woudn be enought

[@jerrywu78]

Glad to hear .I love greek mythology, cause the gods are based off the images of human. The Gods have human attributes, they get jealous of each other, and sometimes greedy, while some of these attributes are considered sins in Christianity. So the Gods are there so the people can relate to them. It is also a form of entertainment to the people. Eg. They would hold comedy plays about Zeus and Hera's relationship or anything else related to the Gods.

[@harpiyon]

@Lhein33 (continuation) and many more. i think most characters are based on historic persons, they were probably different than depicted in the Iliad, but they lived. i find this totally intersting. maybe we´ll never know if it´s true or not. but imagine they find one day artifacts, e.g. weapons, a grave or a skeleton that can be clearly attributed to one or more of the characters from the Iliad. in this case, don´t you think that we´ll see the literary work in a new context?

[@monkey4soul]

Dude, Ajax was a pwnsome beast in that scene!

[@lilbrothaaa]

Yeah, I think it would have been cooler to see how Hector and Ajax develop respect for each other.

[@SupremeChun]

It is true that Troy is not the same thing as the Illiad but the book mentioned about the god's actions in the story. Troy did not present god's using their powers to affect the war. For example, King Priam was teleported to Achilles but in the movie, he simply sneaked to him.

[@KartarNighthawk]

Agreed.

[@harpiyon]

@philmartellus I agree. Diomedes is often being forgotten, also in other movies. I wonder why. He´s one of the most interesting characters: one of the best warriors (in a wrestling match he even beats Ajax) and as you say, he fought Gods & wounded them (though it was with the help of Athena). And he is smart & intelligent, he often goes with Odysseus on special missions, i.e. entering Troy by night & spying out the Trojans. just like secret agents. Diomedes should´ve been in the movie.