True infinity: We reached the end of the game (Ante 39, Seeded Balatro, Endless Perkeo Part 4/3)

Seed: LE9PWG7D
Watch me coach Skoottie through the first 12 Antes of this seed here: • The Infinite Point Hand
High Ante and High Score Playlist: • Balatro Science
We try Perkeo again on a set seed this time. Not only are we able to score "infinite" points, but we're able to do this repeatedly, round after round, allowing us to reach Ante 39, where the score required to win is also "infinite."
(Version 1.0.0L)

[@Reynsoon]

>"Is this game endless or does it have an end." >"It's a good game, sir." >buys game >plays endless mode >it has an end

[@glaucomasi]

Technically, nothing can be truly infinite

[@atanasiumirela7187]

such a specific reference

[@memes_gbc674]

it's wet

[@thenonexistinghero]

@@glaucomasi Actually infininity is real. Whether that just means there's an infinite void outside of what we theorize the universe to be or whether there's countless more universes just like what we we theorize our own universe to be out there in that empty void... the fact remains this void is infinite. If you say that the void is finite and can prove it... then sure, that might be true. But if it's finite, there are boundaries... and that would only count for what's within those boundaries. But outside of those boundaries, there's something else that doesn't end. Basically, it doesn't matter how you slice or dice it... beyond the boundaries of something there is always more. And if that also has boundaries, then beyond those boundaries is something else. There's always something else and as such, one can only conclude that infinity is something very real.

[@julius.caesar.]

@@thenonexistinghero🤓🤓🤓

[@Blahblahblahblahize]

Thank you! Amazing how Balatro turns from a rogue-like deckbuilder to a computer science problem

[@dreamerofthorns]

you heard it here, folks. Mr Bones confirms it. Infinity is not 25% of Infinity.

[@Astryder]

Sr. Huesos!

[@speedstyle.]

nan compared to anything is always false, whether you do < or > or ==. Which is a bit weird, it breaks the mathematical rule that everything satisfies one of the above. I personally think nan just shouldn't exist, it should overflow or error like for integers and the programmer can explicitly decide whether to saturate etc

[@FlameRat_YehLon]

​@@speedstyle. NaN is literally not a number so I don't think it can do math comparison anyway. Therefore it's never larger, smaller or equal to a number. In fact even comparing NaN to NaN would always return false, if I remembered correctly, and this definition actually makes operator=() and isEqual() not being the same thing even if the number is unboxed.

[@FlameRat_YehLon]

​@@speedstyle. Also NaN kinda have to exist because even with error flags the processor still have to return a result. On integer numbers, overflow and underflow is always well defined, and div0 can just return 0 because there's no concept of infinity here. But in floating point numbers, there are two infinities and two zeros, which wouldn't be an issue if it's a div0 on a finite number, but infinity div0 or zero div0 can have multiple possible outcome and thus the only result that make sense to return is NaN. Otherwise it'll only be true some of the time, thus breaking the "well defined" requirement for computing.

[@speedstyle.]

@@FlameRat_YehLon It could just return 0. Why does integer 0/0 not need NaN? Or 1/0 not need inf for that matter? Hardware doesn't implement IEEE properly anyway, all these edge cases take CPU cycles. It does the fastest thing that works for normal floats, then microcode/software checks the flags and swaps out the result if necessary. Then the programmer has to check the flags again because silently propagating NaN was never what you wanted anyway

[@Qaser7]

What a wild ride, even Mr. Bones got on here.

[@drspectred]

Sr. Huesos!

[@_lostclub]

I WANT TO GET OFF YOUR W I L D RIDE

[@EnDeRBeaT]

​@@drspectredas a russian, sr. huesos sent me flying💀💀💀

[@bejamillion2]

MR. BONES, I WANT TO GET OFF YOUR WILD RIDE

[@Astryder]

@@EnDeRBeaT ещё и с восклицательным знаком

[@aliumhoomens8467]

1.8e308 is infinity is because it’s the biggest number that can be stored “as a double precision floating point variable in 64-but computing” and it’s also the hard limit to how big a number can be in Computing before you need extra libraries or using a different kind of number system. A double precision floating point is just thing that can calculate numbers faster and more precise than its single version but but is a slower calculation. (Not stolen from r/antimatter dimensions). Tl:dr 1e308 is before too big for game unless you code to make bigger numbers

[@throwawwy53]

speaking of, Balatro dev should steal the way that game handles extra large numbers (from what i remember, storing the mantissa and the exponent in their own 64 bit segments) for true infinity mode

[@LaPingvino]

@@throwawwy53maybe let him talk with the dev of exponentially idle

[@porglezomp7235]

to be slightly more precise: 1.8e308 is just before infinity, floating point numbers reserve special values to encode infinity that are separate from the largest finite value.

[@lightraysone]

I want to see someone modify the lua code for balatro to use arbitrary precision numbers so we can truly go forever.

[@Expelsword014]

@@lightraysone The truly mind boggling thing is just how big and useless that number is. People often make the comparison that there's about 10^80 atoms in the universe, so you couldn't even count the score by using a universe. It goes far beyond that. The smallest thing in the universe isn't the atom, it's the Planck length, which after a quick Google, number around 4.65 x 10^185 (don't worry about expansion). Even if we count every "thing" in the entire universe, we can't do it. As a matter of fact, we're short by 10^122, we have to copy our universe well more than a Googol (that is, the original; 10^100) times and count all of them in totality to reach the score. What's even more hilarious is just how *small* that number is. If you compare our score to a Googolplex (the "biggest" colloquial "number", you'd hear on the street) 1 with a Googol zeroes or 10^(10^100), it comes out to effectively nothing, and there's still an infinite number of numbers that are bigger than a Googleplex - TREE(3) is probably the best intersection of funny sounding and famous. Ultimately every number is no closer to infinity than the last. Mathematically speaking, my Deuce High Card for 10 Chips is just about as close as any hand the game can produce.

[@emeraldnickel]

Can't believe we hit the Balatro killscreen already. Well played!

[@darkchiron]

Way quicker than it took to get there for Tetris.

[@skipventure5158]

It makes sense that it didn't take as long as Tetris did. For Tetris, it required a lot of mechanical/reactive skill as well as strategic skill. Regardless, a great find to celebrate!

[@alaeriia01]

I feel like Balatro should have a "zen mode" where you can optimize your build without having to worry about the exponential increase in blinds.

[@deeznoots6241]

Zendless mode

[@The_protein_Titin]

Sandbox?

[@justabomb8629]

I feel like steam workshop would go so hard for this game

[@jacobv_]

Balatro Creative Mode? You just spawn in whatever deck you want and any jokers and play a hand?

[@alaeriia01]

@@jacobv_ That could be interesting, but I was more thinking about the endless mode in Luck be a Landlord.

[@bugfriendz]

for those who are confused on the aspect of what these numbers mean at the end: naneinf would be "not a number exponent inf", or naneinf. whilst infinity is here, "not a number" takes precedence, and thus naneinf = nan, but why would that not register? nan isn't a number, its the absence of one. its effectively setting these variables without any default at all, so the game simply moves on to the next script.

[@drspectred]

Thanks! I was planning to mention it in this video but got fatigued and forgot: when you score the naneinf hand, it resets your Best Hand to 0 in your profile stats.

[@percyvile]

Important thing is that IEEE standards dictate that any NaN value when compared with another NaN value will always return false (this is done so if an error occurs like a multiplication overflow garbage data isn't spat out.) So when the game compares if the players score >= the required score will always be false. Balatro is already using double precision floating-point numbers (64 bit) to calculate the score so it's pretty unlikely we'll see a score higher than 1.7e+308 unless the dev really wants to implement a bigger data type (easier said than done) to let people push the limits here.

[@ashvio]

there's a few open source libraries out there for Very Large Numbers, like "Breaking Infinity"@@percyvile

[@bugfriendz]

@@percyvile this too! if you were allowed to match NAN with another NAN, it would probably just crash the game immediately - if it even got to that point without entering an infinite loop.

[@SalmanRavoof]

@@percyvile What would a bigger data type look like?

[@selfloathinggameing]

The funniest recent trend in gaming lingo has been "technique" being abbreviated to "tech" which then was elongated into "technology"

[@sighmon5640]

i think it would be funny if mr bones was just explicitly coded to work in the nan / nan comparison, to technically allow you to reach ante 40

[@Nqdpdqb]

The problem is that the double (the data primitive that score is stored and expressed with) has the trait that all NaN's are not equal to each other, even if they were reached the same way. So, if you compare anything to a NaN, it will be false for equality, less than, or greater than comparison.

[@Kaiasky]

Yeah, but it'd be pretty easy to add an (a is NaN and b is NaN) to the check. I'd honestly be a little surprised if the Balatro devs didn't add something

[@WilliametcCook]

⁠If it always returns false, then just flip the comparison: Rather than IF score >= blind/4, do IF NOT score < blind/4. The NaN comparison will still return false, but the NOT will make it true!

[@FuscaBat]

Thanks to your 300 cards, I've now noticed that the deck's thickness depends on how many cards you have in there. We can only see one and a half tags because of your tall deck!

[@drspectred]

The first person to do this got over 800 cards. Might've been over a thousand, but I forgot exactly

[@tryplot]

is it possible to get the top card of the deck off screen? if so how many cards would that take?@@drspectred

[@BatteredToast]

a true test of an immovable object vs an unstoppable force

[@Tdogredman]

the house always wins

[@bishop_breloom]

Glad to hear that you had a good time with Skoottie, it was a pleasure seeing you there as well

[@joshwhalen17]

Not enough infinite rooms for the required infinite hotel guests.

[@davidaugustofc2574]

First hand starts at 10:38 22:36 minor correction here, it's +e18 so each King multiplies by a billion.

[@drspectred]

ty

[@davidaugustofc2574]

@@drspectred just saw that you corrected it 😅, oh well, you're always an Ante ahead of us

[@drspectred]

I had 1 to 2 hours in between to think about my mistakes. This one was a slog

[@CalamitasCalliope]

Balatro update: added a "You win?" Message when a player loses after failing to hit Ante 39

[@serraramayfield9230]

did it do this actually

[@CalamitasCalliope]

@@serraramayfield9230 not that I know of

[@joyli9893]

The true kill screen of Balatro 38:02 💀💀💀

[@Sefcear]

man died to a small blind lol

[@Delta_Omega3]

31:38 i thought perkeo died 💀

[@Sleeepy.]

Sucked him dry 😭

[@slimshady802]

For some perspective into the absurdity of these blinds scores, there are about 1e80 atoms in the known universe.

[@verg4469_]

your already too powerful. i cant imagine what you will do with even more power

[@wearetwitternow]

meatyhook beat endless on an unseeded run last night. she spent i think about 15 hours on the run itself which is crazy

[@Mackinstyle]

Balatro University teleports me back to being a kid at hockey practice. We’re on the ice for an hour and barely play the game. So much talking about it. I don’t mean this in a bad way at all.

[@RiskOfMe]

best balatro channel out there

[@RigoVids]

22:14 I was able to guess the correct answer. Consider most of your points come from the steel cards being retriggrred over and over, and their driving the mult up exponentially as they are retriggered. Then going from 6 to 8 in-hand steel cards will result in a 33% increase (8/6=1.3333) in the exponent of the output. Then the number following the E should be about 33% larger than before. If it’s 56, guesstimate that 60->80, and 4->~6, so 56->80-6=~74

[@brixgalvez1890]

ive been wondering what NaN means since i was a child playing in buggy Y8 games. i was 20 years old now and I have learned it from you that it means "not a number". i thought it was just a placeholder for numbers so big that it cannot be displayed. thanks for this knowledge!

[@Kaiasky]

The other fun fact about NaN is that NaN!=NaN

[@Muskar2]

Look up Float Toy and click (and drag on) the numbers if you're curious how it works. NaN requires all 1's in the exponent (green), and at least one 1 in the fraction (red). Infinity is similar but all 0's in the fraction - and can also be negative by sign bit (grey).

[@user-kq9qo7kr8d]

Omg, you tested Mr Bones as i asked! Thank you! It was wild run

[@xaviergirard3666]

Great video Spectred, very informative! Though I do wonder who the brilliant people who came up with this strategy are?

[@drspectred]

There are about 10 of us. Discord user NanoKami came up with Perkeo + Cryptid, and user Trousers got the first inf score. I don't remember who got the first Ante 39, and I don't remember if cheats were used (for money, for example). But Leka was the one who provided the seed for this video.

[@serraramayfield9230]

@@drspectredthis needs to trigger a secret ending!

[@declanwhitlock4386]

Please correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t it technically be better to have 4 mimes and 3 barons instead of the other way around? With the extra mime, you still get 14 triggers of baron (Initial + red seal + mimes*barons), but you also get an additional trigger of steel, so each king would give an extra *1.5. Granted, it doesn’t matter anyways because you already have enough to win, but it would just help you save a few of the consumables on the way to ante 39 by making it take longer before you begin losing consumables. Maybe I’m missing something though, so please let me know if I am.

[@drspectred]

edit: whoops! The reply ended up on the wrong comment.

[@papplefarm20]

It appears that your calculation for the number of triggers of barons is slightly off. It is instead [(Initial + red seal + mimes) * barons]. Because of this, with 3 mimes 4 barons, you get 20 triggers of baron, but with 3 mimes 4 barons you get only 18 triggers of baron, resulting in 1 less x1.5 per king.

[@Benw8888]

@@papplefarm20 Did you mean [(Initial + red seal + barons) * mimes]? Because at the start with 6 mimes and 1 baron he got ~18 (I counted 17 but was probably off by one) triggers per king

[@papplefarm20]

The whole equation is [(1 + barons) * (2 + mimes)], where the 1 added to the barons is for the steel card, and the 2 added to the mimes is for the initial proc & red seal. At the start, there were actually 16 triggers of x1.5, only half of which were from the baron. I did not include the steel in my initial equation because OP didn't either (and I simplified it to just numbers because "initial" and "red seal" are both representing 1 and IMO it makes it more clear to express it this way, especially when including steel)@@Benw8888

[@7cubed]

Could you re roll boss blind on ante 39 until getting the “play only 1 hand” boss in order to lower the required score below naninfi?

[@adampozzobon5193]

The Needle always requires the same score as it's small blind, and because ante 39 small blind already requires inf score then so would the needle

[@1riqoispliskin]

Lol glad I could provide the seed. Did you get it from the discord?

[@drspectred]

I did, yeah!

[@Bob_Bobinson]

the dev missed the opportunity to make the nan blind be the boss blind and have the other blinds be beatable

[@Kaiserboo1871]

Ante 39 should have no small and big bind and just have 1 boss bind with infinite score. What would we call this boss? The Inevitable? The End?

[@Bob_Bobinson]

@@Kaiserboo1871 nah it should have a small blind and a big blind to instill dread into someone imagine thinking "what does nan mean?" as you slowly make your way towards the boss the end does sound like a great name

[@Kaiserboo1871]

@@Bob_Bobinson But what’s the point of having a small and large blind. You wouldn’t be able to beat them. I think it should have no small and large blind and have a single boss. Once you inevitably lose, you should get a unique game over screen that says that you found the “true ending”. I also think they should get a special mark or achievement that would show that they made it that far.

[@Bob_Bobinson]

@@Kaiserboo1871 No you miss understand me you'd be able to beat the small and big blind, only the boss blind would be impossible. Tho a special game over screen sounds like a really good idea.

[@selfloathinggameing]

I like how killscreens used to be "can't count past 255" and now to achieve a similar game-ending fail state the number has to have a power of 10 in the hundreds. Normal calculators don't even go past e99

[@mrminecuber3616]

Do you by any chance remember which ante you got the negative blueprint in? I'm trying to do what you did and get to Ante 39

[@drspectred]

I don't, sorry. This was ages ago

[@fkingyeet3725]

Banger

[@womangaming]

how many achievements away from 100% are you? im missing all challenges done and gold stickers on every joker

[@drspectred]

My completionist profile is going at the pace of the Balatro Daily series. It's currently at 56%, having not started the challenges and not completed all the Gold Stake wins yet on that profile.

[@sonoda944]

The house wins once again

[@curo.]

Thank you for doing this so I don't have to :)

[@RigoVids]

Plasma deck is busted for the reason that a polynomial will always outpace a linear function at some point. The burden is twice as high chip requirements, a linear cost. But the benefit is that your mult gets halved and then squared. At large numbers like this, that’s effectively the same thing as just squaring it. Worse case scenario, your mult goes down one exponent, and then the chips x mult squares it. So you go from (some low number of chips * mult) to effectively (chips + mult)^2 / (2^2). This results in polynomial growth which is highly effective at keeping you ahead of the curve, because the magnitude of your score is essentially doubled. Not exponential, unlike the Perkeo play.

[@jeremywilhm3066]

How did you cull your deck down to so few cards? And how are they all the same? I've only won two runs so far- once on the red and once on the blue. Is this some super high level ability that unlocks later on? I'm having trouble winning a run on the yellow deck.

[@eduardopupucon]

Tarot cards

[@LeeAnnC]

Wait you said at 33:37 that you get the base joker if you have every joker. Is that including or not including showman? So then you must have every joker except showman? Which means you'd see showman + basic joker. Not just basic joker. But if you do have showman you probably can see any joker again

[@drspectred]

Wait wait wait, I figured it out. If you have every Joker except Showman, but there's a Showman in the shop, then Judgment Tarot will only give Jimbo

[@LeeAnnC]

@@drspectred ohh! That makes so much sense. Thanks for the elaboration!

[@Avocado3699]

if perkeo didnt exist, would DNA with those 5 blueprints be the meta?

[@drspectred]

Without Perkeo, I believe Idol + Sock and Buskin (or Hack) is the next best thing. I showcase this in my other Plasma Deck videos (the first two on the Balatro Science Playlist).

[@tundcwe123]

It's sad that Senior Huesos (what a great name to see when you know Russian) doesn't work, I wonder what max ante players could reach if it worked.

[@tomasllabres6874]

I think its "Señor huesos" in spanish wich its literally translate to Mr Bones. When a english speaker says the Ñ tend to be like Nio when you hear it

[@Sleeepy.]

I can’t be certain but I believe that the reason why Mr Bones doesn’t trigger is because both the requested number and the number scored lie outside of a 64 bit processor’s countable numbers (probably phrased incorrectly); so the game isn’t certain weather you reached the minimum threshold of half X score for the blind. Imagining it working though I guess the limitation would be how many negative Mr. Bones you can create? I’m not sure if there’s a way to duplicate negative jokers fast enough to keep up while still maintaining a high enough score to reach this point. Maybe if mods get introduced someone will be driven to find that route, which I think would be very cool

[@bigboi1004]

​@@Sleeepy. the exact reason is a bit more nuanced. The floating-point standard (IEEE 754 if u wanna look it up) defines comparing NaN to other numbers like this (I'm going to use the number 7 for demo purposes, and there are more that I'm not listing): - NaN < 7 is false - NaN > 7 is false - NaN = 7 is false - NaN = NaN is false - NaN > NaN is false NaN is also contagious in a sense, when you use it in arithmetic operations the result is NaN. 7 * NaN = NaN, for instance. The game logic to trigger Mr. bones, based on the behavior, seems to be: - Take the number of chips you have and multiply by 4 (remember that 4 * NaN = NaN) - If the result is larger than the chips required to win, Mr. Bones triggers. There's the issue. By definition NaN is not greater than NaN, so Mr. bones will never trigger.

[@jaredjohnson3436]

Took it off 1.75x for amber acorn and my man is tired. Respect

[@nin10doadict]

Well, the end of this game was discovered faster than the end of NES Tetris was

[@HappleProductions]

One thing to explore would be modding the game to transition to a "true endless", where every ante 39 and above is the same, the variable limit minus 1. It would have the same effect, forcing you to play naneinf every round, but would let you see how long you could keep it up.

[@YituTG]

Wouldn't perkeo + observatory allow you to always score naneinf?

[@yoygemaloyge602]

Couldn’t you use that voucher where you get 1.5x for the planet card for the hand

[@Djarnor]

Lets goo

[@soliderprime9692]

I might have missed it, but how did you get the cryptid card with the plasma deck?

[@shigekax]

There is a joker that gives spectral cards when you do a straight flush. But maybe he did something else

[@mattcroft]

The 6 joker

[@shigekax]

Yeah my bad, he litterally says he used 6th sense to do it

[@lorax2076]

6th sense or seance, but 6th sense is easier to perform

[@MrRozzers]

The reason an infinite score is not enough is that in the underlying implementation of finite precision math that the game uses, all comparisons to NAN come out with a value of FALSE. For example the result of "1 < 2" is TRUE, but "1 < NAN" and "1 > NAN" are both FALSE. Comparing a number to something that is "Not A Number" is not allowed in the underlying implementation of how the processor does math. So, how do you check that the score is bigger than the requirement if the requirement is not something you are even allowed to compare against?

[@mangouschase]

Maybe instead of checking for > check for !

[@RAGEAlanBun]

Has this seed changed in the most recent update? I get a different starting hand and no Arcana pack in the shop at the end of round 1, however I still get Temperance, Uranus etc. at the first shop.

[@drspectred]

Yeah. This was recorded on release day, two months ago. There have been a few updates since then which have changed the RNG, not even counting the experimental beta patch.

[@RAGEAlanBun]

@@drspectred that makes sense, I’m playing on the Beta the now so I assumed they would have changed it. Cheers

[@ConReese]

Could you not have the card that protects you from death? For the inf run to get to 40?

[@HugoFilho.]

Is it the Mr.Bones joker? He already had that joker and it didn't prevent death

[@ConReese]

@HugoFilho. oh right because it's Nan and 25% of Nan is impossible that's right my bad I honnestly forgot there was a chip requirement at all on that joker

[@davidaugustofc2574]

Hey, you actually did it. Next challenge is to reach infinity without any joker (or you can just sell them all right before.

[@shanedancer3895]

Only way I could see that happening is if you manage to perked enough of a planet card for planetarium alone to get you all the way there but idk the math to see if there’s enough time in a run to get enough cards for that

[@samuelmalcolm5121]

You could just do that now, but with a lot more cryptids

[@murilosotti3401]

I managed to get a similar build in an unseeded run and lost because I forgot to swap the joker positions after Perkeo activation and lost to the needle. I'm stupid. But I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to reach the end because I got Perkeo too late and did not have many copies for it.

[@GlorhaTransGal]

Antimatter dimensions devs found a way around this (the number is in two parts)

[@nathanhunt7323]

Hey, can you do a beginner tutorial, ie( people starting out) basic balantro skills if you're struggling to even win a single game, (rant start) I have that problem, I have watched many of these amazing crazy runs making the game look easy but then I do a couple of games and have not yet won a single game (Rant end)

[@drspectred]

I've done this exact thing! On the "endscreen" for this video, there should be a link (upper left) to ep1 of my Balatro Daily "Beginner" series

[@Kamavati]

May someone explain why this combination of number of mimes and barons ia the optimal one?

[@mrbrightsidetf2]

🗿

[@bmobmo6438]

Because it produces a score higher than the maximum number the game can handle. Even if there are other combos that could theoretically produce a higher score, it would be functionally the same in game. Therefore it's optimal

[@oygemprime3864]

Hey, wouldn't observatory scale pretty heavily if you just make infinite Pluto's with Perkeo? Or does it not stack?

[@raphael122]

It stacks yeah, he tried it while waiting to get a cryptid (see the other vids on parkeo) The issue is that the scaling is slower than cryptids by a long shot. One negative pluto is only x1.5, so if you have 200 sure it gives you a x1e35 and you dont need to use them, but a single cryptid used is x1e18, thanks to mime and barons doing a lot of multiplicating. So already with 2 cryptids you have more value than 200 pluto.

[@user-od2qc2od1y]

How do you get so many Barons?

[@MasterMonkey2200]

How did he get the cryptid for perkeo on plasma deck? I feel like I’m missing something

[@MasterMonkey2200]

Oh wait he mentioned it Right as I figured it out too lmao

[@DEVIG0]

Insane

[@gdmathguy]

LETS GO FINALLY

[@drspectred]

Just when you thought the saga was over

[@gdmathguy]

@@drspectred Is there ways to skip an Ante? I've heard that a glitch has been discovered that can skip at least 1 Ante. Perhaps 40 Ante possible?

[@drspectred]

Presumably, if you skip Ante 39, then Ante 40 will be just as unbeatable. Maybe you can keep skipping forever, in which case, what's the point? I don't follow too much glitches and cheats, but I think the Ante skip glitch puts consumable cards in your deck instead of the consumable slots and maybe messes up your deck that way?

[@Sleeepy.]

32:47 this was the first time I realized that the deck representation actually gets larger with added cards

[@sol7967]

What's the seed?

[@katunu6030]

Hey I really want to see a video about a hyper optimized build that utilizes Vampire and Gilded Mask to get a super high multiplier on Vampire. Ive been trying to get a seed with Vampire and Gilded Mask but its been difficult lol. I’m pretty sure there’s a better way to just get a crazy high multiplier on one card but this one is cool and interesting yknow.

[@drspectred]

You're right, I'd also like to see that. lol. You can use Pareidolia, too

[@Hannigan501]

27MEKQN4 Gilded Mask with Vampire won me my first run 😁

[@yol_n]

It's like the "true ending" of sorts :P sort of a reachable tetris ending :D

[@malcolmliang]

Pot of greed discovered

[@delavanty]

You know the voucher that lets u have a 1.5 times multiplier for the planet card equals the hand thoe u use ...... Wouldn't that be just as good?

[@drspectred]

You would need about 1000-1500 copies of Pluto, depending on what Jokers you're using, and it would take you 300 Rounds (100 Antes) to get that make Plutos.

[@delavanty]

@@drspectred sad .... It be cool though to see a proof of concept though

[@fireshade1014]

What if instead of having all the criptids, you had hundreds of plutos?

[@bot24032]

can somebody update the balatro wiki with higher ante base scores now?

[@drspectred]

As far as I know, the Balatro.wiki is run by just one guy, and he's got quite the long to-do list already.

[@planet-5097]

bro did the demo thing 😭🙏

[@Pichulio-kz7ek]

Wow!

[@calccalccalc]

I wonder if the scoring system in balatro switches from precise to imprecise after it reaches exponentiality... If only we could get a googolplex, y'know

[@costa8509]

its floating point so ofc its impresise it starts to not be able to accurately guess the exact number at e52 (assuming this game is using double point)

[@calccalccalc]

@@costa8509 right, i think i worded this wrong, but you get what i mean does it potentially switch from a large int to a floating point beyond e numbers

[@costa8509]

@@calccalccalc no definitely not way more efficient to just use one

[@calccalccalc]

@@costa8509 I was under the impression that you can't simply use a float for numbers this big. Probably using a library like "BigNum". Turns out it is doing some wild things with metatables! I want more big. MORE BIG!!

[@oinkityoink]

im not being very careful with my calculations here but each king might provide an x 1.5^50 = 637621500 mult to the score

[@oinkityoink]

each king trigger has x1.5 from steel, x1.5 four times from baron each king is triggered once by default, once by red seal, thrice by mime so each king provides twenty five x1.5's plasma deck squares that and its now equivalent to fifty x1.5's (think of it as both the chips and the mult having been given twenty five x1.5's)

[@thermophile1695]

I literally guessed e74 with one cryptid!

[@asdfghyter]

Wouldn't you score higher if you used a balanced number of copies of the Mime and Baron? I would've expected the Mime to increase the number of triggers for each Baron, so having multiple Barons would increase the value of each Mime. Am I missing something? *Edit:* Oh, you did do that at 20:20. I'm assuming the earlier version was just for simplicity, since the highest score wasn't needed anyways.

[@lightyagami2645]

He was probably only duplicating Mime for the extra cash

[@asdfghyter]

@@lightyagami2645 nah, it’s probably just to save on mouse clicks, since you need to move more cards each round to hit the perkeo with all blueprints

[@Mephil]

In the end the house always wins

[@entropete_]

Level 69 high card nice

[@CocoTheTortie]

I'd love to see what it would look like if you kept increasing your deck size and it started going off screen 😂

[@Customfurball28]

he truly beat balatro holy shit

[@majesty863]

How does one get a deck like that with only 14 kings. Wtf?

[@TrimutiusToo]

Hm... Maybe developers will rewrite it to support numbers even bigger... It is possible but as a software developer i can tell it is a huge hassle to work with numbers larger than 1e308

[@Sebastian-_]

they could rewrite it to use bignum easily but rewriting a big part of the code just for perkeo cryptid isn't wroth it imo

[@TrimutiusToo]

@@Sebastian-_ I wouldn't say easily... And i am software developers with 12 years of experience... Changing it to bignum is not very easy refactoring... But yeah that is what i meant... And seeing how they actually specifically made nan makes me think level 39 was intentional, so they were aware of limitations and actually put as safeguard there

[@1vader]

@@TrimutiusToo I doubt the Balatro code base is that large, so I don't think it would be that hard. Although it does depend a bit on the language. But Lua even has operator overloading for example. And it doesn't even have types you'd need to change. Though I guess that also means that you wouldn't easily be able to spot all the places that'd need to change, which could make it kinda dangerous. But there are languages like Python that have native arbitrary size integers, so not exactly always a hassle to work with such large numbers.

[@darkmaurus112]

señor huesos

[@Epic_Ducks1]

“Imagine losing to small blind”

[@darkchiron]

Today in math class: Infinity < Infinity.

[@speedstyle.]

To be precise, !(inf < nan)

[@vipture.]

I kept getting ectoplasm and lost because my hand size went below 0 lmao

[@debries1553]

I dont get why he didnt reroll to try and find some negative jokers that boost hand size

[@speedstyle.]

Because he already had enough to get infinite score every round til the end of the game. If it were possible to do better then yeah that would be slightly more optimal, but this run was hours already so

[@Toprak135]

We now know that Not a Number*10^Infinity is smaller than Not a Number.

[@speedstyle.]

It's neither smaller, larger, nor equal. nan compared to anything gives false

[@_Bumby_]

Should have played infinity plus one, everyone knows that is greater than regular infinity

[@babyelephant3077]

0:40 wait you are not the same person???

[@scp3999]

i'm going to tell little kids that this is regular poker

[@DaKing08]

imagine if you used all the cryptids… i wish you used all of them, we could watch that for several hours straight.

[@drspectred]

You can check that out in the Skoottie video actually! We go for overkill, and it takes the hand 10 minutes to score.

[@MykalJacsun]

Not me struggling so hard and only beating ante 8 from getting mr bones for the last 5 shops/

[@chomikfinder9867]

Endless Yap

[@demujo]

hoping that people can relax about builds now that the end is found. a bit annoying to read comments on builds about how it could have been better. nothing is getting close to 38, and even then, cant go any further

[@drspectred]

Wishful thinking hahahahahaha. If folks want to dream and theory craft, let them have their fun. But it does make me sad to see folks being disparaging to others.

[@meskonyolsen6657]

nan is Omega lowest infinity

[@danser_theplayer01]

Yeah eventually you just run into binary floating point precision problems. For applications that are not games and run on computers with a lot of ram and time at their disposal you can have a system of arbitrary precision numbers that has to kind of process the numbers in chunks like you'd do in highschool multiplication or addition etc. So what I'm trying to say is that you can have an even bigger number, but such large numbers will weigh tens of gigabytes of ram.

[@1vader]

How much RAM they take up is soley determiend by how large they are. The numbers we're dealing with here are still extremely tiny. The game overflows at 10^308. You can store that number exactly as an integer in just 1024 bits i.e. 128 bytes or one eight of a KB. If you use floating precision numbers like the game does, 128-bit numbers (i.e. twice what the game uses or 16 bytes) would be enough for around 10^5000. With "just" a GB of RAM, you could go up to 2^2_000_000_000 (i.e. 2 billion x2 triggers which would take 63 years at 100/s) precisely and way way way way larger if you use floating point numbers. And ofc you could switch to even more imprecise systems to store even larger numbers in the same space. There's not really a reason the game couldn't do this and in fact there are games that do this. But ofc it's more effort and there's not really much a point to it.

[@danser_theplayer01]

@@1vader You see the problem here is that I don't know a language that will be able to properly interpret numbers in 128 bit size. Most platforms are 64bit based, I'm not familiar with any language that ignores the architecture of your computer and uses custom bit sizes bigger that traditional.

[@1vader]

@@danser_theplayer01 You can fairly easily implement this yourself using any form of array/vector/list or just a few variables of a natively supported integer type for fixed precision. Especially if you only need addition and multiplication. But basically every language already has libraries for arbitrary precision numbers. Java, JavaScript, and probably a bunch more even have it built in. Python and a few others even have arbitrary precision integers as the default. And most languages will also at least give you software-emulated 64-bit numbers on 32-bit systems. There are also a decent number of languages that have larger fixed-size numbers built in, e.g. Rust has 128 but integers, I think the same for C and C++, and C# has built-in 128bit floats.

[@danser_theplayer01]

@@1vader To precisely tell what a binary number is in decimal you need to keep increasing it by power of 2 for every bit, but for that you need big enough decimal numbers to begin with, so I have no idea who how and where done it. Unless the implementation involves long arrays and digit-by-digit operations like in highschool math. In which case it'd be slow and eat enough memory to be noticeable. I'm not like an engine engineer who knows the deep low level way of things working, usually when someone says "oh there's an implementation in python" they just mean they have interacted with the facade (interface?). I've thought up an implementation in javascript (because that's what I use and because I can't seem to make c++ work on my computer) but I feel like very few people know how to do it better and I'm not one of them.

[@1vader]

@@danser_theplayer01 Well, if you just use one of the existing libraries for this or the built-in features of Python, Java, JavaScript, etc. you don't need to understand how it works. E.g. in a moderately modern version of JavaScript, you can just use "13n" to get a BigInt which will never overflow. Try "2n ** 1000n" for example. The way this is usually implemented under the hood is effectively by using an array of smaller integer types where each integer is effectively a digit in a base the size of the integer type. It's a bit similar to the "highschool method" but uses large numbers as the base, so you don't have that much overhead. 128bits is basically just 2 digits, 1024 bits is 16. Although even a really naive implementation using decimal digits would probably still be fast enough for something like Balatro. Any computer from the last decade can do at least a billion operations per second so you could easily spare a few thousand to add two numbers with a thousand digits. Balatro maybe processes around a dozen score events a second, so you'd still not even use 1/1000 of the CPU if you need a million operations for those. And I mean, how do you think integers are implemented on the hardware? They are built up exactly the same way with addition on individual bits or smaller chunks. And obviously, you can emulate arbitrary hardware in software. It just gets slower. But at the scales we're talking about here, it's completely insignificant.

[@hehehehawastaken]

Ah yes the "small" blind

[@Epic_Ducks1]

Small yet *probably* beatable.

[@olliehuyike]

Hang on... I just purchased the game last night and spent four hours on it. Now you are telling me that you already BEAT the game?! P.S. Where is the refund button?