True Target by Magic Beans Audio. Live Q&A.

[@joentell]

02:18 Start here! (I had my mic off prior) Go to magicbeansaudio.com for early access!!!

[@robinkleinsteuber5217]

Thank goodness, my lip reading skills kinda suck. 😅

[@joentell]

@@robinkleinsteuber5217 ah man. You would think I would know how to do this by now considering we live stream every Monday. I guess I was just excited about this announcement.

[@ts6640]

@@joentellIt is kinda ironic though…..you are selling a product called ‘Magic Beans Audio’ but yet there is no audio. Sorry, I couldn’t resist. Just joking, we love you man

[@joentell]

@@ts6640 LOL. People are like, "What does this guy know? He can't even get his mic working!" 😁

[@davidhoover2446]

What you are doing is pretty interesting! I’ve been tuning sound systems for 15 years. PA systems professionally and my budget systems at home. I want to look into your product more because any time you tune a system, at the end of the day, it has to create an incredible experience. Smaart, earthworks mic, and a chart on the screen still can never tell you what sounds great. It helps speed up the process greatly and understand the room average, but the information it doesn’t give you is the key to creating a nice sound. It’s all about fine tuning the crossovers, delays, volumes, then EQ by ear. Some speakers with their phase characteristics or room reflections - you can take an EQ dip out and suck the dynamics out of the subwoofers for example. Or, maybe the system measures perfectly well, but it doesn’t suck you into the experience. All this has to still be done by ear. I can tune a full system well at this point by ear, but measuring does speed it up a lot and gives more accuracy. So, discovering what the particular room should sound like sounds like a good idea. It’s true some rooms you reach the understanding that you’re done because of the room. It usually takes me a couple hrs to dial in my home theater then I play with it for two more days to see if different techniques help as I’m using it. So anyway, I’m going to look into this.

[@joentell]

I am interested in seeing it used in various situations. I like the way you said it, where you tune the sound to the limitations of the room itself. I would add that it's also the limitations based on the listening position(s), speaker placement and speaker characteristics as well. This is not a replacement for Smaart or any of the dual FFT analyzers, since you still have to figure out phase, timing, crossovers, and levels. It's designed to do one thing particularly well, and that's to determine the optimal target curve(s).

[@ebarbie5016]

Is there a review for the final version with REW meausments before and after? The product page doesn't provide much info nor a toturial for using the app with Audyssey or other RC platforms. Do you still need the calibration tool Blue ray or can the final version generate test tones? Also, I think for a planned and not very cheap app, it should at least be able to generate a day file you could load into the Audyssey based AVR or even self-connect to the AVR and loading the cuves/filters. Thanks

[@ChadAV69]

I’m going to make a review with REW measurements soon. And I have made a couple videos involving Magic Beans so far. One actually does show measurements at the end.

[@BigStreetCinema]

So impressive of this app and how you designed it. Going to buy it when the app is released.

[@joentell]

I appreciate that.

[@Riv359]

For what I have seen, it looks like a great product and well priced. Just ordered the spatial disc and am looking forward to purchasing the true target app 👍👍.

[@obi11wan11]

I'm looking forward to try it next weekend, the weekend after Eastern!😊 My speaker configuration is 7.4 (REL HT1205 mk2).4 and deep bass expanded by 3 REL T7x for Front Center and Surround. The Cinema 50 as preprocessor and power amps of IOTAVX and exposure 3510 for the front speaker, speaker from amphion.

[@martinmares8998]

Joe, this software looks interesting. Looking forward to buying and giving it a try. I use MultEQ-X which I like a lot and REW.

[@mships72]

@joentell, love what you do and how you share knowledge. Got the cd from Chana recently. Is there a way to get on beta testing here? I have a 5.2.4 system with Klipsch and SVS speakers and AVR-X3800H

[@joentell]

Beta is closed. You can sign up for early access at magicbeansaudio.com

[@goos3838]

If you assign a value to your time then I can see that the app is worth it to help streamline the process. Especially if you have kids and don't have hours to set aside to calibrate.

[@wayneiceman]

Looking to purchase Joe. I've got multeqx and Dirac Live bass control multi sub on my Denon 3800. Would I be able to measure once and create two separate exports? For Dirac, do you have more than one export type? Also, how do you recommend post eq level adjustments with Dirac Live Bass Control. In Denon, everything is locked out. Absolutely excited for this Joe! Thank you

[@joentell]

Yes, you can export using different EQ methods without having to remeasure. I don't understand why they lock you out of something as basic as levels after using Dirac. That's how it worked on my NAD T778 as well and I thought it was odd. I didn't know it was like that on Denon also. On this Monolith HTP-1, I can change levels and even add PEQ before or after Dirac. I can mess with delays after also. If you're stuck with levels, I could carefully adjust gains equally on the various subs making sure not to change the relative levels. We've worked on making sure that levels are set properly with the curves we create. As long as Dirac is setting the level of the mains equal to the subs (i.e. if you used a flat target they would align) then the curve we apply will set the proper bass level automatically.

[@xxxxbenekxxxx6114]

You could use the option menu when watching a movie. That’s not locked.

[@wayneiceman]

@joentell thanks Joe. I have 4 subs as well. My current bass control implementation does set the mains and subs with the same target curve. I like a rise in the bass so it isn't flat. I'm curious as to how you could help me here. I can also use mult eqx but bass control makes my subs sound impactful. Something I'll struggle to replicate with multeqx

[@martinriiser5523]

@@joentell The same on Lyngdorf, I can change PEQ before and after Room perfect calibration, delays aswell. Would you recommend applying magic beans before or after auto eq, have you tried both ways yourself?

[@goos3838]

I have the same question. I plan on using YPAO in conjunction with this app.

[@Leo-tf7gu]

Any plans on adding Eversolo to list of supported PEQ devices?

[@joentell]

If that uses PEQ, we already do. We have a generic export where you can set the PEQ parameters based on the device.

[@Leo-tf7gu]

@@joentell That's excellent

[@donlew8222]

Congrats on all your hard work. But will it prevail over Diract?

[@joentell]

Thank you. It works in conjunction with Dirac.

[@DDenton46]

I have Onkyo's txrz50. And it does have direct live Full bandwidth but that cancels out a lot of other features in this receiver. So I've been using Onkyo Accu EQ instead. I've also been using the Klipsch mode in this receiver that it offers. Watching your video here I did not see Accu EQ in the list of systems that magic beans works with. My question is would magic beans work with Accu eq? Oh and by the way, Accu EQ now uses a 15 band graphic equalizer rather than peq like they used to.

[@joentell]

15 band GEQ is an odd number. We offer 10-band and 31-band graphic EQ. You can always look at the target curve in REW and look at the corresponding dB for each frequency of the graphic EQ.

[@pchip6856]

Can the true target curve measurements and filters be converted to .ady file format for uploading into the multi eq app and transferring to denon avr?

[@joentell]

Someone is looking into that.

[@dennishlarsen]

If this gets possible I'll buy it in a second

[@pchip6856]

Why does the consumer version not include rew file access?

[@joentell]

Most consumers just want the optimal target curves to import into their room correction software. Pros and advanced users will want to see each measurement and the correction filters to analyze potential issues with the speakers, signal chain, room response, and listening positions. Often, the hardest thing is to make something simple. One of things we focused on is giving the user confidence that what they're doing is right. I feel like that's lacking in some other calibration software. So, that's part of it. The pros and advanced users know who they are, and for them, the features of Pro and the additional cost makes sense. There will always be potential customers who will want all of the Pro features at the Standard price (or lower) and we will not meet their specific expectations of cost/features. But we put a lot of thought into it, and that's the choice we made.

[@goos3838]

After the EQ is implemented on the receiver using true target, do I need to change the speaker crossover settings back to 80hz or keep all the speakers set to large?

[@joentell]

You should set the crossovers back after. We only set them to Large for the measurements. Then use the Post-EQ Sub Align feature to make sure your sub is aligned in level.

[@RonHaney-fz3re]

I have been thinking about getting Minidsp 2x4 and am wondering if True Target should be used with or instead of minidsp?

[@joentell]

Used with.

[@LuisRamirez-vr9ch]

After I transfer the file to preset 1 on my my x6700h, I notice my subs are set to none in Speaker Config. If I correct it and add 2 subs, then it turnes off Audyssey. Does that mean my Magic Bean files are no longer being used? It also sets the front left and right to large. Any thoughts on this?

[@JohnSmith-qi6co]

Assuming there is a great target curve for my brain, room and equipment. Why is the one MB comes up with, that curve? I believe i is, I just wonder why.

[@joentell]

I answered your question on another video.

[@tombarney6951]

Hey Joe my setup is 9.2.4 which package am I purchasing? I currently have the Marantz 8805?

[@joentell]

It depends on whether you really want to dig in and analyze the measurements for each speaker, or if you simply want the True Target curve response to import into your Marantz. The benefit to the Pro version, is you can export all your measurements into REW for further analysis. This often can lead to you seeing ways you can improve your sound by physical means of moving your speakers, adjusting their aim, their placement, or whether you need sound panels in certain locations. It also helps to verify that your measurements are consistent, as anomalies in identical speakers could mean a measurement error or possibly an issue with your components.

[@tombarney6951]

@@joentell excuse my ignorance,but what is REW?

[@joentell]

@@tombarney6951 Room EQ Wizard

[@chandlerbing3575]

Hi, I have an Integra Drx 3.4 configured in 5.1.2 and 2 subs connected to it through a Minidsp 2x4HD. Will your app help me calibrate the subs and the rest of the speakers? Will I have to do 2 calibrations separately and then use Dirac?

[@joentell]

If you want to calibrate multiple subs, I would recommend either MSO (multi-sub optimizer) or Dirac Live Bass Control if your AVR supports it. This is made to create a custom target curve that affects the overall tonal balance of your system.

[@chandlerbing3575]

@@joentell Is MSO better than REW to calibrate the subs?

[@joentell]

@@chandlerbing3575 MSO requires the use of REW for measurements

[@Unknown-1709]

Can it be upgrade to the pro version if you bought the normal version?

[@joentell]

Not at the moment, but that is something we are working on.

[@saulm5632]

Will this work with Yamaha Receiver's??

[@joentell]

Just the one mentioned on the video since different Yamaha AVR's have different parameters.

[@rafaelsmith681]

Is there a limit to number of subwoofers this app will work with?

[@joentell]

The app determines the target curve for specific channels, so even if you have 8 subwoofers connected to the LFE/Bass management channel, the app will create a correction for that one channel that they are all connected to.

[@rafaelsmith681]

Is there some documentation or guide that we can look at before purchases that describes the whole process from start to finish. i.e do I first do a Audyssey cal and then run True Target with the audyssey cal in place or do I disable everything in the AVR....set speakers to large, EQ off, levels at 0, etc ...run True Target then do Audyssey cal using the curves from True Target? @@joentell

[@emt999]

Does it work with trinnov?

[@joentell]

I've talked with the folks at Trinnov. They currently don't have an easy way to import a user-defined custom target curve from a file. You can only import curves drawn in manually on a Trinnov. They also have PEQ, but the values would have to be entered manually which is time consuming and allows lots of room for error.

[@bobstinker2074]

Why the hell would you name your product magic beans? Like you're telling your customer this is bullshit from the get go

[@xxxxbenekxxxx6114]

The product is called True Target.

[@joentell]

Better than naming the company snake oil? It started as a joke that many who follow our Daily HiFi Podcast are aware of when I started developing this. The name kind of just stuck. Schiit Audio is pretty popular also. If the app works as it should, then you should be able to forgive the silly name, right? It would've been just as easy, if not easier to name the company, something that makes it sound serious, but that's no fun, and probably less memorable. Do you remember the name of the company? I thought so. Also, why would you name yourself bob stinker? 😎

[@xxxxbenekxxxx6114]

Because he ate too much 🫘 🫘🫘. 😂😂😂

[@Bladecutter]

Here's a vote for silly names. The production company "Bad Robot" inspired me to name my media company "Chilly Panda.". Just for fun.

[@joentell]

@@Bladecutter agree 💯. Audio companies specifically, have typically taken themselves way too seriously and the objective results, not seriously enough. I figured I would do the opposite.

[@yelseh]

to expensive !!.

[@joentell]

That's your opinion and I can respect it.

[@joentell]

@@bayapaya892 it's a fact that a large percentage of people chose to spend more on the Pro version, so we can only speak for ourselves, not for others? Do you disagree? Some people who bought the standard version are getting good results and are asking for a way to upgrade to pro. Again, you can't speak for everyone and neither can I.

[@ChadAV69]

@@bayapaya892if you buy it and use it you will realize it’s actually underpriced. It’s worth like $700. Probably more if you’re using it to calibrate other clients’ systems.

[@carlito00pr]

can anyone give me a link to the discord group for magic beans

[@joentell]

discord.com/channels/1158188313182752851/1158196561617105046 You can see the pre-sales questions channel. Once you purchase, you will get access to the rest of the discussion areas.