Trump 2024: The Patriotism Paradox with Jon Stewart, Mona Charen & Laurence H. Tribe

[@BethGrantDeRoos]

Love mature adult conversations like this!! As an independent I want an ADULT as a president! Also do NOT want the chaos that Trump encourages, embraces!!

[@gwick358]

Are you saying that trump isn't an adult? He's technically been an adult for 60 years. The fact that his mind never advanced beyond the age of six must be your issue.

[@elisa_lily]

And the hate,the violence, the bullying, honestly the ignorance, the lies,vulgarity, crazy ideas...

[@digitalperson108]

Oh paleez…who has time for these (full on sarcasm) If more people made the time, oh what a better place we could be in.

[@OB17358]

No more 2am cofefe.

[@ElNick09]

“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” ― George Orwell, 1984

[@s.schattenprophet]

Sounds like he was talking about ignoring the support of the forbidden g-w0rd.

[@markstephen9044]

It’s as though Trump is banking on ‘Ignorance is Strength’ for victory.

[@lawrencetchen]

If ever there were a quote to encapsulate the utter detachment from reality that cult has embraced

[@bluepillaus]

Dear America, please don't fuck this up. We're sick of Trump too. We would really appreciate continued stability. Get well soon. Love from your cousins, Australia

[@jeffwithmaintenance6229]

🖤

[@d4mdcykey]

We are trying, mate, we are trying real hard, at least those of us not beholden to a cult of dunces.

[@s.schattenprophet]

Yes, please stay with the party that supported the forbidden g-w0rd for more than a year.

[@lizbailey7748]

Yep also Australian and stressing about this election. I'm paying much more attention to this than to our own elections ... lol

[@TheMrUnsheep]

Thank you bud

[@sdecourcy]

Great conversation, Jon Stewart is an American treasure......and he has a great team behind !

[@arsenal587]

I’m grateful they were able to have a discussion without constantly talking over one another

[@EileenFoster-o8f]

Yeah , John listens & he's good at knowing how to guide the conversation .

[@warcraftdoto]

I'm just a random guy on the internet, following all your podcasts, trying to be a better human. Once again, thanks for the enlightening conversation Jon.

[@jaylunwilliams1544]

You know John supports the hinchcliffe joke right? He's a poser, a fake, a fraud

[@natepinson]

Although not as historic or iconic as his original Daily Show run, or as investigative as his brief run with Apple, this may be my favorite Jon Stewart vehicle. I especially like how he ends each show by sharing the spotlight with 3 beautiful women a generation (at least) younger than he is, without making it creepy, patronizing, or sexist at all. The choice of guests is usually spot on, and Jon does a great job of letting them fully express themselves while still getting his thoughts in there. Regardless of who wins, please keep this going!

[@cindywheeler6210]

I'd almost forgotten that people on opposite sides can have courteous, intelligent conversations looking for solutions for all. This show is restoring my faith.

[@michellemaine2719]

Mona certainly didn't sound like a Trump supporter though.

[@sandradavis7132]

She's a Conservative, just not a Trumper.

[@caitrappel1532]

Mona is with The Bulwark and is zealously anti-Trump and pro-Harris. She's an old-school Reagan Consevative, but refreshingly moderate and sensible.

[@michellemaine2719]

@@sandradavis7132 yes, I got that. Maga are a special species.

[@michaelspurling4376]

As a computer programmer, I spent a great deal of time and effort rewriting code to make sure that Y2K wouldn't be a disaster. This year I donated to the Harris campaign and cast my vote for her in an effort to once again prevent an epic disaster.

[@s.schattenprophet]

I'm pretty sure thousands of Palestinians will be very thankful about your effort.

[@hollandanish5557]

​@@s.schattenprophet Well at the very least we won't have Tim Miller's Muslim ban on day one nor the promised exiling of people protesting in favour of Palestinians ( not sure how that would work. But maybe it's covered in project 2025 ) nor do we have to look forward to Jared Kushner's suggestion that Israel develop Gaza for the Tourist Trade. Trump has said that he would encourage Netanyahu " to finish the job in Gaza and the West Bank" But if you're in favour of those policies I guess you're voting for Trump or Jill Stein.

[@iak706]

​@@s.schattenprophet breaking news - The winner will support isreal. One of them is backed by an apocalyptic doomsday cult with isreal at the center of it's utopian myth.

[@TheWipeout32]

@@s.schattenprophet Can we stop pretending like you care what the Palestinians think? Your choices are Harris or the Muslim ban guy who's biggest critique of Bibi is that he didn't go after the Palestinians hard enough. If you don't vote Harris, **you still made a choice in this election**. And your choice was to help Bibi's buddy. So shove your moral posturing.

[@whramijg]

Is this Samir, Michael, or Peter?

[@debbiem.3128]

I love this so much! Being over a certain age, I really miss this type of discourse. We have so much we can learn from one another, instead of hate and division. I grieve for the generations for whom misinformation, chaos and this constant fight, flight or freeze mode is the norm. Thank you soooooo much for this!!! ❤ I love that there's an author that calls this "Trumpistan". May we have light 🕯️to guide us instead of hate to divide us. We can do so much better.

[@RTSOB1]

This is the kind of conversation that can be had when all parties agree to begin with what's real and what is not.

[@skeewiffenator]

I felt that scream. In my fucking BONES

[@mr.penguin4614]

conversations like this are so important, but increasingly rare. love to see it. Thank you all!

[@smedleybutler9635]

What a fuckin joke

[@davidlarson1602]

Such an important conversation. Thank you.

[@lyndaweston]

I'm Canadian and I want to thank you all so much for helping me through this!

[@caleblantz9228]

Hey Jon! Be a fan for years! I’m really thankful you’re back at it. Sorry apple didn’t work out. So glad to have you as a voice of reason and comedic relief throughout all of this madness.

[@joner1983]

I really am loving this discussion … smart people discussing things with open minds & listening.

[@patrickfernandez4739]

What an amazing conversation! This is what it looks like when you invite the other side to the table for meaningful discussion & not commit to locking them up when there is disagreement. Sensible communication has a real strong chance of producing answers both sides can truly agree upon. Thank you for showing us this still exists!

[@pamelagray6854]

Jon, Mona, and Laurence - Thank you for exercising my brain. Much appreciated.

[@mcsmith732]

Excellent show with fabulous guests. I have heard Mona Charen before, but this is the first time I could see her as more rational & human than hard-core & right-wing. The combo of Jon Stewart and Lawrence Tribe is like the addition of a little cream & sugar to a bitter and very strong cuppa. The three of them together made it easier for me to accept her views with less frustration and more interest, even when I don't agree with some of them. And Lawrence Tribe is, as usual, a delight and a homecoming. He's like a welcoming hearth and a cup of hot chocolate on a cold and blustery night. 💙 Thanks Jon & Co. 😺

[@lawrencetchen]

That's funny, I hadn't read or listened to much of Mona Charen prior to this cycle and this was the most right-wing I've heard her. Usually on the Bulwark, their criticisms of Trumpism aren't all that different from our own.

[@TheMatSci_guy]

Love your work Jon! ❤ The way you articulate questions and openness with which you listen to others is just amazing! You speak whatever I always have in mind. Keep up the great work!

[@DYoon007]

You are the best, Jon. Thank you for being the voice for us.

[@broncogeorge]

As an Australian,I always learn something from this show By being given perspective to American culture and politics

[@jackheintz9747]

That’s why many of us Americans are here too 😂 Intelligent, authentic conversation about the complexities of our government isn’t always easy to find. Jon Stewart is a living legend.

[@catherinewilliams9680]

You have to be careful when you listen to intelligent, informative conversations like this. There are WAY TOO MANY people, large swaths of Americans, who believe the Earth is flat, that the government controls the weather, that there are Jewish Space lasers and that the 2020 Presidential election was stolen from Donald Trump.

[@stewartdavies929]

Fellow Aussie here. Same!

[@LB-ei1tc]

Jon You were so right to push back when Mona said that the left criticizes America and that they find faults in the past. I am a direct descendant of one of the founding fathers. As far as I can go back I know each generation of ours has served in the military. My brothers my Father, my uncles, I can keep on. And the fact is anytime we falter as a country we have to criticize the actions taken in our names. This is why we fought the Soviet’s or the Nazi’s, so that when our leaders act improperly we say it and in my opinion if we were not to do that we are nothing but traitors. Government of the people by the people for the people, can mean anything if we do not hold our leaders accountable. Thank you for your time. 🇺🇸 please everyone vote Blue 💙. We need to make sure VP Harris wins and vote Blue. We need to save our country from these MAGA idiots.

[@hollandanish5557]

Well said!

[@prabhushuklafamily]

Love, love, love this conversation. Thank you Jon. Long time fan. Jon needs to bring Sam Harris on the podcast. That conversation would be pure gold IMHO.

[@fornana]

This was one of my favorite podcasts in a long while. I mean all of Jon’s podcasts are great, but this is a much needed conversation that I see America needs to have. The US has a complicated history and unfortunately for social media it really requires a nuanced conversation, which seems impossible. Like freedom for every man was and still is a big deal. However for Tomas Jefferson man meant white land owning man. But today it means something very different. That tension is hard to deal with. People can be good and bad.

[@maxhart7907]

Agree on the necessary nuance for many things and unfortunately, the online world and social platforms aren't really set up for that. It's all focused on speed, likes and attention. The more that path is pursued, the harder it is to dig into the complexities of many issues faced in the world today. It's now like trying to dig a path for a highway with a plastic spoon... a massive challenge as we've all come to see.

[@lisablacker3102]

The Bulwark is a conservative news outlet, but they are the sane, rational brand of conservatism. They're my go to source to get the conservative perspective, so i can avoid echo chamber syndrome.

[@cpmf2112]

Yeah, but they just don't represent more than a tiny sliver of people at this point.

[@elizabethpomeroy3145]

@@cpmf2112 It's a smart and powerful sliver. And they care.

[@cpmf2112]

@@elizabethpomeroy3145 I agree, I do listen them for a different perspective. I am just not convinced that the GOP base will ever go back to anything resembling the way they were which the Bulwark folks represent.

[@petedog9581]

Miller and Stein are funny as hell on Trump stuff.

[@caitrappel1532]

Same! Mona is a Conservative Cat Lady 4 Kamala, and I love her for it.

[@davidhouston4810]

Strangely, This show gave me more Hope than I have Felt for a very long Time, Thank you Mona Charen, Laurence Tribe and Jon Stewart.

[@dubious_honey]

26:32 "what if our media relentlessly litigated those parameters of our reality..." reminded me of how Jeff Daniels' character in The Newsroom was a prosecutor before he became an anchor. "Reese, the newsroom became a courtroom because I felt the American public needed a fucking lawyer."

[@wwisaacson4807]

The team that put this together is Awesome!

[@JoelSemar]

I needed this video. If for no other reason than to be reminded that not _everyone_ has lost their minds. Thank you so much

[@cosmothewonderdog8602]

“when fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.” Origin disputed.

[@michaeladkins6]

You have never seen drumpf literally hump the flag at CPAC.

[@Marina041960]

Love you Jon! ❤

[@jasonphillips3817]

Shoutout to your support staff! This podcast is fantastic thanks!

[@davidlong1459]

In the UK we voted Brexit, then had a chance to truly understand the meaning of it before committing. We went for it anyway despite it being clear this was going to be bad for the UK, while Brexiteers tried to claim patriotism - the false superficial kind, not the interests of the nation. We’re now in our new world and guess what - the same lot who gas lit the population having been proven disingenuous say we now should drop out of the European Court of Human Rights (same as Russia and Belarus ffs). They never stop. America has the chance to reject Trump - the first time was bad with a certain level of checks and balances. This time however could have far reaching and far more devastating and lengthy consequences. The gas lighting will go on regardless. The pursuit of truth must always continue, and it’s crucial that the falsehoods and media that carry those lies are pushed back on day after day after day. If only you had many more Jon Stewarts !

[@markr.jolliff2554]

Thank you for the rational conversations.

[@penniebigelow4043]

This has given me the most hope in a long time. Thank you😊

[@birdsarecool6448]

Thank you for this very interesting conversation. You give me hope!

[@battlejitney2197]

Here is healthy, balanced, nuanced, conversation between a liberal and a conservative with a shared love of country and countrymen. It gives me hope that not all is lost!

[@BarbaraWalker-t1g]

This will be my 16th time voting and in the past there were times I was concerned but this is the first time I have been absolutely terrified. I hope that this country will be prepared for the aftermath of the vote.

[@gregmc1270]

one of my favorites of your recent conversations. thanks so much for showcasing multiple viewpoints and finding the (wretched disgust) common grounds of the mindful majority

[@annahankins9095]

Guys. I am looking around at the world right now as a 33 year old female, asking who is in charge here? Where are the adults in the room?! This is madness and we need an adult. WE ARE THE ADULTS! … and I t’s time to put our foot down. It’s up to us, we are the adults and we get to make the choices

[@ErtosiAngel]

Thank you for this, Jon. Hearing the varying perspectives of reason was exactly what I was looking for. I deeply appreciate how much work and evident love you have been putting into these crazy times.

[@MrDellasc]

FYI Jon, the Bulwark isn’t only conservative, it’s made of right of center moderates, aka Rockefeller Republicans, Conservatives and independents.

[@oddopalmusic]

This was excellent, thank you. We need more Mona Charens in the world.

[@SmilingDeer-dt5sjk]

If we don’t get rid of the idea money has the same rites as a person and gets money out of politics we will continue to have these problems .

[@rfernandezlorain]

Jon, you bring peace to me. This conversation is what we need. How can we eliminate the noise and get back down to this?

[@brunocarrara29]

Watching you guys from Brazil!

[@patriciakrejcik7374]

Another viewer from Brazil here 🙂🙂

[@CanopysGlow]

This was a great conversation. I feel like, with most of your guests, I need to keep notes because there's so much knowledge dropped that needs to be picked up and ran with.

[@slotcarpalace]

Wonderful, Please sir, can we have some more?

[@RonnieRedd]

Not even half way through, AWESOME 🎉

[@AhauAno]

Thank you, Jon! Hugely nourishing, refreshingly sane. May this heartening conversation throw a long ray of light into the hard work that lies ahead. Wow. This comes right when we need to hear such thoughts expressed.

[@CandiceCole-d4w]

I just listened to armchair experts - with yuval hunani- idk my autocorrect isn’t liking it but it’s very connected to what you are talking about and I BEG YOU JON STEWART! To listen to this guy. It answers so many questions PLEASE! I don’t do social media so I hope you find this. Thank you for all you do

[@matthollub4977]

Amazing conversation, I'm glad you talked with those at the bulwark.

[@twotrackjack2260]

This was excellent

[@blakestevens8246]

what a relief this show was. several hours ago I watched some clips from Rogan/Vance and scrolled through thousands of "what a wonderful guy j.d. is" and my horror was overwhelming. then I came here and my panic attack is somewhat quelled. thank you

[@lances8460]

Great show. Thanks to everyone.

[@freddyfedora8544]

"Uniquely poisonous." A, unfortunately, marvelous term for The Donald.

[@salriz7385]

That was a lovely discussion John thank you for this

[@juliannemitchell-lg9ye]

Amazing dialogs. Jon Stuart, you are a multifaceted gift!

[@KilgoreKilla]

From Oregon loving watching the podcast. "It's a little bit of smart with a little bit of funny" right up my alley

[@jasonmavrovitis2471]

The best conversation on this topic I have read or heard...

[@ivanthetj]

Oh man, this is a good episode.

[@brunocarrara29]

This team make my day!

[@seangilbert1417]

I don't live there, but it's still very scary what's happening over there. It's utterly baffling that nearly half the population supports that guy. It's mad, everyone else thinks he's a chump

[@Wired.Unique]

We feel the same way!

[@MarioJaker]

This show unironically gives me hope for the future. If we can have conversations like this on a larger and larger scale, we can recover from MAGA.

[@jp2586]

MAGA powers will not engage in a conversation like this because it exposes their disinformation.

[@ruthfoster-mv9eh]

Thank you,, John Stewart , for having this forum

[@Chader9]

What a wonderful discussion. Thank for all you do and your incredible guests.

[@forgetful3360]

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." Sinclair Lewis

[@bradcazden8624]

Fantastic conversation

[@jeffedwards7960]

Trump's "patriotism" is to pump his fist in the air and say "U.S.A.!" That's it. There's nothing else.

[@bumpedhishead636]

Jon - you rock! You have the ONLY podcast style show that I am willing to watch for an hour. Insightful, compelling & thought-provoking.

[@a73capri]

The difference between Trump and other politicians is that in the past, both parties had enough people in them with a conscious that party leaders would stand up to people who went too far. Somehow Trump was able to deaden the Republican party's conscious. Also, there was a more bipartisan lean in the past. That started to change with the Tea Party and has really gone off the rails with Maga. I agree with your guests that the decentralization of truth has been a huge problem and will need to be solved.

[@paulallen2849]

I WAS born in D.C..grew up around the monuments etc....I felt like my own home was violated. I CRIED.

[@K.C.Fizzicyst]

Fantastic podcast. Thank you ladies, and Jon.

[@brendap9126]

Great discussion. Thank you! È stressante!

[@amf8551]

This is an awesome discussion

[@xxlee1019]

This has been some of my favorite media of 2024🎉

[@caitrappel1532]

I hope Mona has Laurence on 'Beg to Differ'. He would be an excellent addition to the panel.

[@dannoc1]

Thanks, Jon and all of your staff! Helps keeps us sane.

[@chichitex1252]

Thank you!❤❤❤

[@therrydicule]

Remember to vote everyone. And don't give me a "but voting doesn't solve anything" - that's how you ended up with Trump in the first place.

[@RTSOB1]

I think this may be the first election I can remember where it has been said by no one, "Well, there isn't a nickel's worth difference between them."

[@DoyleRichards-v1l]

"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel." : Samuel Johnson

[@hopesnopes]

I just love Lawrence Tribe. What a wise and brilliant human. I appreciate his referring to Timothy Snyder, too.

[@imokcr2298]

Appreciate the discussion. Reflective and thoughtful.

[@yanhughes]

Thank you for ending on a positive note!🎉 we got this!❤

[@Steve-xh3by]

Regarding the desire to discard the Constitution - go read the letters between Thomas Jefferson and John Adams in the National Archives. Jefferson argued that the Constitution should be reevaluated, and even completely tossed out every 19 years or so (every generation). He argued that laws are for the living, not the dead. I agree with him. The Constitution was NEVER intended to be treated as some immutable holy relic. It was meant (at least in Jefferson's view) to be a living document that was changed with the times.

[@FreeofChaos]

Hey Mona, But did the spouse apologize for their behavior? Are they actively trying to change their ways? Maybe the spouse is criticizing because the other spouse wants me to ignore what they did with no change.

[@jamesanthony5257]

What would parents of a 25 year old daughter do if she called and said she was bringing her new boyfriend home for Thanksgivings Day Dinner. She said he has a few issues but she likes that he’s kind of a bad boy. The parents say how bad? Well, he has 31 felonies with 60 more pending and 27 sexual assaults, 1 of which a judge determined was a rape, but he’s a great businessman with only 6 bankruptcies, but you’ll like him. Any parents with values would say they, we are going out of town this holiday.

[@jeffschornack3519]

A very informative conversation. Thank You.

[@alexanderheath126]

Thank you Jo

[@Creddz69]

It makes me sick that when i see American flags in front of a house or on a car, my first reaction is digust. The MAGA movement has co-opted patriotism to the point where they've tried to take the American flag

[@patriciakrejcik7374]

I understand completely how you feel. In Brazil, where I'm from and live now, the same happened to me when the Bolsonaristas (from the cult of former president Bolsonaro) co-opted the Brazilian flag, claiming that if you were not for Bolsonaro, you were not a patriot or a true Brazilian. We voted him out in the last elections BUT the Bolsonarism is still alive in the country.

[@s.schattenprophet]

Strange. It makes me sick because of completely different reasons. Witnessing the military support that murdered ten thousands of innocents. Hope the Dems staying in power and can double their support.

[@RolfTorsten]

Tribe is a total badass. We used his ConLaw treatise in law school 25 years ago and I still refer to it often.

[@Wired.Unique]

Great discussion!

[@robinhood20253]

We got this Jon🩵

[@MrBonsaibeginner]

Thank you

[@mr.penguin4614]

i didnt think about it till you all looked at that viewer comment, but the first presidential election I participated in was 2016. Every presidential election I've been able to vote in, has had trump as a candidate. What the hell man.

[@johncall293]

I think that represented exactly how we all feel

[@richardbeare11]

I really enjoyed this conversation! Love what you guys did here; bringing these two uniquely different and interesting minds together.

[@robdonham9907]

Best conversation on a podcast I've heard. I have a good wild mushroom recipe Jon, but I don't think we'll need it.