TRUMP Gets Trolled by KPOP / KPOP Concerts Coming SOON / North Korea HATES Us Now [D-K News]

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[@annemayseyfried8907]

▶▶ *FYI- LIAISON- Pronounced as LEE-AA-SOH (French)* 😊

[@lz738]

"Liaison" is pronounced "lee AY zahn" just FYI :) Can people buy your advertising space to feature their favorite idols? Like a banner for their idol's birthday?

[@veeinh]

@@nk4140 sorry but DKDKTV doesn't care about black people enough to do a story on them...

[@MTetzke]

And the biggest reason I jumped to watch this video of yours... to hear how KPop fans fu€|

[@pottedcat8269]

Such an irresponsible thing to say, David. Viruses don't just die. Corona virus will NEVER die in 3mos. The virus is NOT dwindling and will NEVER dwindle. For all you know you have a lot of asymptomatic people in Korea. Before you say such irresponsible things, MAKE SURE SURE TO BACK IT UP WITH FACTS AND SCIENCE.

[@cloerolland]

kpop fans are people and people are political, you can't ever completely separate the fandom from politics

[@elenabob4953]

With what right K-pop fans intervene in the political life if another state? Russians have been accused of much less than that.

[@Tessa_Gr]

@@elenabob4953 a foreign government nefariously interfering in another countries elections isn't comparable to teenagers taking action for social change in a completely legal and moral way (normally in their own country), they just happen to be KPop fans

[@mell4248]

@@elenabob4953 first of all Kpop fans are not only Koreans?? And if an American citizen wants to intervene that's their right to do so. Who care if they eat hamburgers, ride horses, like rock, rnb or kpop? What do you want to accuse them of?

[@catherinerodgers249]

It's best for teens to pay attention to politics now because their future is on the line. The mess that these politicians make today is setting the stage for the struggles they will have to correct.

[@WonderingWildWanderingRose]

@@elenabob4953 I have the right as an American citizen to participate &/or protest politically regardless of what kind of music I'm a fan of. My music choices do not interfere in the political workings of my government. However, my experiences with social media and making statements using memes/fancams, etc from the music groups I like have been honed by my participation in "fandom", particularly K-pop, which necessitates a higher participation online since it isn't heard on the radio. When I participate/protest politically I use that experience and deep knowledge of "appropriate" memes/fancams as response. The news isn't that K-pop fans are interfering, but instead that there are significantly enough protesters, who happen to be K-pop fans with their intimate knowledge of social media and online presence, able to mobilize as a group and protest non-violently and creatively. That's a whole different kettle of fish from a foreign government interfering in another's elections

[@andreiafernandes8719]

before being a kpop stan, these accounts are real people. and real people have political ideas. just because the twitter acc has a face of a korean boi as a pfp, doesnt mean a real person (most likely living in america) cant have political standpoints.

[@raizas_archives]

Exactly we are all people.

[@jeongin3241]

For real

[@anniex8651]

It's so weird when K-POP fans are not recongized as normal people - I am political bc I have a job, I pay taxes, I have to pay rent, etc etc, I am a normal citizen that happenes to like korean music. Seperating "being a fan" and "being political" is ridiculous. Every human on this planet SHOULD BE political bc the government shapes our life and depending on the country you live in, especially if it happens to be a democratic country then you are basially required to be political anyways bc you choose your representatives that help to make changes for the better for you and future generations. Every industry is involved in politics - no matter if it's food, clothes, housing, media, music,... The news calling the trumptrolling an act of "kpop fans" is just a simple label. If it wasn't this term they would have used "twitter users" or "internet trolls" or something. But the name "kpop" get's more clicks at the moment. Also anybody saying kpop is not political is ridiculous aswell - child labour, misogyny, racial aspects, etc = political. There are a lot of korean artists that are political aswell. Damn one of the reasons BTS is so incredibly popular is bc they are extremely political. just saying

[@raerohan4241]

I think it's because a lot of people still have this false mindset of kpop fans being mainly pre-teen girls, so it's odd for them when they think of them as being political as to them it translates into preteen girls being interested in politics

[@raneemiftekhar6354]

Yeah, I've seen so many posts on reddit and twitter of people wondering why kpop fans would be political. Had to explain that we're a highly diverse group of people, of all ages and backgrounds. Also dropped the link to Baepsae with lyrics SO many times.

[@janinas1486]

I resonate with everything that you said 💯

[@Genevieve1023]

@@raerohan4241 Which is ridiculous, because why wouldn't teenage girls be interested in politics. Especially in a place like America that has a bunch of men, trying to legislate what women can do with their own bodies.

[@thegrammarpolice6953]

@@Genevieve1023 EXACTLY-

[@serendipitybeautiful7301]

I'm a 67-year old Black female who is also ARMY. I and my friends have hundreds of tickets and we all over 60.

[@marygreer4036]

Yes! And thank you. (I’m a 72 year old ARMY.)

[@erikoenglish1651]

ARMYs are family.💜💜💜💜💜💜💜

[@slm3108]

Thank you for that!!

[@auntielu4394]

48 year old Black woman here. ARMY for life.

[@nangmmantow1871]

Love you 💜 I'm 32 and an ARMY 💜

[@mochibun3890]

That online commenter saying that if fandoms keep getting involved in politics then kpop in the west is going to be deteriorated is so hilarious. Korean people that think like this clearly don't know anything about western culture. Over the past few months kpop has gained more respect from Westerners than it ever has. Fandoms getting involved in politics is taking away from the stigma kpop fans have always had of being silly and immature. I've seen so many locals appreciating kpop fans and in turn checking out kpop and listening to the music. Korean people have to realise that the gp in America and the west usually likes when celebs get involved in politics and celebs that stay quiet are criticised. I mean look how heavily BTS was praised for their $1mil donation to BLM and then the fandom got the same praise for matching it. No offense but some korean people need to get out of the bubble they're living in and understand if they want korean culture to grow in the west this is what needs to be done.

[@oksanaa.8331]

I was looking for a comment like this 👍

[@whyzzie_1134]

100%👌🏾

[@alperry02]

I mean, I have no idea the effect in other countries but in the US you are 100% correct. This recent involvement in human rights and politics helps rid the genre of the "bubble gum" label and has garnered tons of respect . AND consequently there has been an influx of new fans. It is immensely positive.

[@elenabob4953]

When as a kpop naive fan you take part in something you don't really understand is problematic. Russians have been accused for interfering for much less than that, to start admitting that K-pop fans did this and that is plain stupid. BTS donated 1 mil $ to BLM but do you really know that BLM was founded based on a lie and the fact that in their mission is clearly stated to destroy the police ( not refunding or reforming) ?

[@Tessa_Gr]

@@elenabob4953 That's complete and utter bullshit. Please inform yourself before you write about BLM like that. BLM is a movement against the murder of black ppl (mostly) by the police, something which keeps happening again and again and cops get away with it. On the topic of police reform: just watch John Oliver or Trevor Noah or read a book, and you will understand that the matter is more complex than you think.

[@madeinbusanjkjm]

I love how kpop is so important for Korean economics that they had a whole conference to talk about allowing possible concerts in 2020.

[@lauryn2868]

The statement culture is detached from politics doesn’t make sense when the culture and collective way of life has its goals realised through the political system and politics. Culture literally informs how you vote and why you vote 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@lungilejenniferngubane2633]

It's like when people complain that art is politicised, it always has been and always will be.

[@ohk542]

Exactly that statement is so wrong

[@katekursive1370]

Tata is right, folks.

[@lungilejenniferngubane2633]

@antwinettec 'has always been' is not 'is always'

[@jaye61970]

@antwinettec But you cannot deny that artists using their art as political protest or to make statements about the human condition, in general, has been happening for centuries.

[@Minnie-dn3tq]

I had two tickets to that rally......but then I remembered I dont live in the US 😔

[@biazacha]

LMAO legend

[@ElocinNoir]

😂😂

[@ama2228]

Oh no that’s a shame, I couldn’t go cause I had to walk my fish 😔

[@leviackerman5870]

I had 3, it was so sad totally sad as I live in enGlanD

[@erikoenglish1651]

I was sick and I couldn't go to there 😭

[@Mariwil74]

The trump "trolls" did actually help lower the turnout. By inflating the number of possible attendees, the discouraged hundreds, if not thousands of people from showing up. If you heard that a first-come, first-serve event has a million people requesting tickets, would YOU take your chances knowing the odds of getting into a 19,000 seat arena weren't exactly in your favor? It wasn't the only thing that lowered the turnout but it sure helped a lot.

[@jaye61970]

Thank you. Danny and David diminishing the impact of the protest is disheartening because it may be discouraging to young people who want to be a voice within a movement and that's a mistake. Them trolling racist hashtags has an impact. Them staging a no show protest has an impact. In times like these, even a drop has an impact.

[@SIDMI101]

@@jaye61970 Exactly. Awareness and courage is the start of a new change! Older generations have already discouraged enough of the younger generation through different variables and saying that this didn't have a impact contributes to that. Dont stay silent! Every thrown pebble makes a ripple on water!

[@jocelyn9744]

That's the thing even if their action is not that much impactful at least now the younger generations have a bigger voice, they can show their stance

[@KimmyGibson]

I think ALL of the trolls who took tickets, donated money (including BTS), no matter what country they are from, should have to live in their country the way BLMs want us to...... WITHOUT POLICE. That's right....NO POLICE. NO RESCUE. NO PRISONS. That's their goal. That's their agenda. How long do you think you would live? How long would your society survive? You know why President Trump is doing nothing about 'Chaz/Chop'.....the FENCED IN area stolen and taken over by domestic terrorists (no cops/rescue allowed) in Seattle? He could do something, but he's NOT. Because some people can NOT be told....they just have to SEE for themselves what will happen. They have to see for themselves how many people will die because police and rescue are not allowed in. People have become emotional fools following the crowd and ignoring statistics and the truth.

[@raerohan4241]

@@KimmyGibson _Very_ few people who support the BLM are in favor of completely removing the police force, you know. Most understand that such an idea is extremely radical and unlikely to bring about positive change, and so do not support it

[@junik.9414]

Politics and political ideologies do have impact on culture and art

[@jarjargreens]

Say it again for the people in the back who aren’t listening 👏👏👏👏

[@elenabob4953]

You have completely missed it was always the other way around, if you don't believe me look up Black Square (also known as Malevich's Black Square for example.

[@plantadelbosque]

@@elenabob4953 Honestly? I don't think it is linear but more like a symbiosis; culture IS political and politics do feed from culture. To think everything is its own independent box that doesn't dialogue with each other is really simplistic. So basically both arguments are true

[@auntielu4394]

I agree, a lot of artists throughout history have used politics to make a statement through their art.

[@ratihsalsabila3502]

Yes, I agree. it's remind me there is a musician in my country, his name is Iwan Fals. He often make music to criticize our government, to speak up about people's condition in our country. Isn't good to criticize something that going wrong?

[@KuroMai]

Q. what do you think of this kind of behavior? A : BTS taught us to speak up, to stand against what we think is wrong. We're huge, we have a platform we can use, so we use it. Kpop might have nothing to do with politics (which is not true and we all know that), but then BTS speaking at the UN was what? nothing? yeah no. Army (and probably other fandoms too) understand that if we can help a little to try to change things, to convey a message, raise awareness, then we're doing it. As long as we're doing it without violence, I think we should continue. sorry for my bad english

[@user-ov9vr1wc2j]

it's always the comments with perfect english that say 'sorry for my english' haha

[@brunamarote6472]

yes 👏👏👏 "find your own voice, speak yourself"- Kim Namjoon 2018💜💜💜💜💜

[@gudemeneely]

@Whitney Titus very true, this is a problem not just the US needs to figure out but the world. We need to bring about a change in human behavior and human rights rather than politics. It has never mattered if it was a democrat or republican the change hasn't come. Therefore not political.

[@carolynfranklin4865]

I disagree kpop fan mess with Trump whole grudges. His people are saying it wasn't kpop or tik tok they saying it was protester.I'm happy this is the president you don't want kpop get on his bad side ,he can band kpop group from performing in America. He can flag there passport. It was dangerous with the white nationalist they could send a crazy person to the concert to hurt kpop groups

[@lasplx]

@Whitney Titus I understand what you are saying but the thing is, when you live under a system of government that does not fairly allow everyone access to human rights, the lack of their human rights and their treatment becomes political because it is the political body that is keeping them from having those rights. If this was an issue of there just being racist citizens in a country that otherwise treated everyone fairly, it would be a humanity problem. But the racism in the United States is systemic and built into our laws and policies. Until those laws and policies change, racism will continue to thrive within the system and outside it. The people doing the murdering are agents of the state and supported by the state. That is as political as it gets.

[@chumphilabhutia]

K-pop fans are also part of the general public. Like what happens in their country effects them too. So it's really not a surprise if they speak up in political issues going around in their own home country. I don't get why is that so hard to understand. About the concerts, I guess they should avoid it until there are no active cases of Corona. And also the Korean govt. is willing to help with the online concerts, like that's so good👏👏

[@achum9677]

I think Music and politics have always walked hand in hand.....

[@auntielu4394]

Yes, just look at Jimi Hendrix, James Brown, Michael Jackson, Bob Marley etc.

[@someasiankid6323]

yep

[@emmafrostnr.1fan662]

But is wrong tho

[@iroos7142]

That's what hip-hop are made for. To speak about the injustice.

[@achum9677]

@@emmafrostnr.1fan662 i don't think it's wrong ! Right and wrong on this matter will only depend of the situation and the way each group speaks out on the situation. That's one way to see I think.

[@madeinbusanjkjm]

Danny said that BTS are gonna be able to tour worldwide DURING their military service?!!? What does that even mean? Are they gonna take a few months off during military to complete a concert and then go back to serve? That sounds extremely exhausting to me....Danny, we need more of your inside information!

[@kavya3292]

Made in Busan no they aren’t allowed to get money during a military services but he probably means the military might allow a big group to take a small break in the middle to allow a world tour

[@tftsheepcup]

you cant say culture and politics should be disconnected when seotaejji was literally connecting the two things as the pioneers of kpop

[@alperry02]

Great point 👏🏽

[@tftsheepcup]

Whitney Titus I agree. I also think koreans only are like this when K-pop is being related to politics in other countries but not when it is regarding their own country’s politics. Kpop has also brought in so much economic revenue to Korea, it’s selfish to try and distance kpop now from other countries only when it’s convenient.

[@catmom2509]

@Whitney Titus Actually majority of Kpop songs are not hip hop. I find it ironic that you complain about people not knowing history of hip hop when you are so ignorant about Kpop.

[@tftsheepcup]

cat mom he/she said it’s emulative of hip hop, not that it’s the same thing. Of course kpop has become its own genre but it definitely has undeniable influences from hip hop.

[@kentokim]

I was thinking the same exact thing about seo teaji. So glad you brought up this point...I mean the sewol disaster was because of corruption and negligence of politicians and BTS made a whole music video speaking up about it if I'm not mistaken.

[@m0t0madre]

do people forget that kpop fans are... people too ? shocking right? politics shoudnt be an ugly word.. being informed about politics from your country is taking charge of your own future,,, ESPECIALLY if you're a minority... look at a bts concert and see majority is POC.. see the conection?

[@BellroseJewel]

Not only this but most people meddling with this are ARMY and American. I don't see how it is ironic to support change in your own country. Also, out of all groups, BTS is one the ones who has been vocal about supporting LGBT+ BLM and Loving all races. Not only are they vocal but have countless donations and the LYRICS of their songs imply this. So there is no irony there, of course their fans are advocating for simmilar mindsets. I am sure there are fans of other big groups who do not come from the 'children slavery' or 'homophobic' background.m, likes most people only stan a couple of groups. They too, can support without being ironic. Everyone is just using this previously established community to organise their protest in a more efficient way.

[@EMOtional0009]

literally had the same thoughts when i was listening to this. i think a lot of people get immersed into Kpop because it can be an escape from reality because if you think about it this is what the companies aim to sell. Kpop is meant to be, in someway, easy to digest. similar to a utopia (basically just far from reality as possible). hense why a lot of companies censor what artists can say or comment on. these artist are meant to sell you a concept or a dream which can also explain why they shy away from speaking about their problems etc... i'm rabbling but i hope you get what i mean. however as time has gone past its become obvious that this won't pass anymore and can come off as "fake" or manufactured (this is a whole other topic)and is simply unrealistic to portray an image of perfection. because as much as you can get lost in the world of Kpop where "politics" or social movements are not mentioned, in reality thats just not how the world works. thats why you've seen groups like BTS pop off with what they portray in their music (concept or not this reaches people more) or you see individuals like Jonghyun (rip) speak up on issues such as LGBTQ rights and so much more and more recently artists speaking out on the BLM movement and making donations. i think trying to separate culture/politics from Kpop would just be very backwards and would make Kpop stagnant its progression. the younger generation os well as the current generation is getting more and more interested in what is going on around the world and they're realising that their voices can be heard and Kpop right now is a massive culture, so of course people will use it to voice their opinions especially now that the whole world is aware of how powerful Kpop fans and culture can be. Being silent just won't work anymore in my opinion.

[@EMOtional0009]

Whitney Titus definitely especially when it comes to do with more notable topics such as mental health etc... but I can’t say that they’re companies don’t have an input in allowing their artists to speak up on various topics( this was more what I was highlighting but I felt my essay was long enough lol). But I agree Asian culture does have an influence for sure.

[@kinirokuruta8523]

@Whitney Titus I would advise you learn a bit more on that, I'll link a helpful one here from IG; instagram.com/p/CBg1jYvjnT9/?igshid=tmieccogmwib Not only East Asians are Kpop fans. A lot of other region of Asia has Kpop fans like Philippines, Thailand and Indonesia have big fanbases. And there are a variety of skin tones in Asia, yes, in East Asia too. And as an Indonesian, I wouldn't say I'm white just because Asians are the so called 'model minority'. A lot of Asians have darker skin tones too and it's important for our society to end this colorism in Asia.

[@kinirokuruta8523]

@Whitney Titus Also forgive me if I understood you wrong, but using the model minority can actually say how Asians don't face the racism, oppression, and inequality just because they are a model minority. When really, we do but due to our proximity to whiteness, there's an advantage that we are more readily accepted into a white institution. The model minority status grants us less of the oppression, racism, and inequality that the Black community face but that doesn't mean we don't face it, it's just at at a lesser extent. Both of the community has to work against white supremacy

[@ria_x_rose]

Netizen: "Politics and Kpop have nothing to do with eachother" Girls Generation: **Laughs in* _Into the New World_* Red Velvet: **Chuckles in* _Red Flavour_* Bts: **Cringes in united nations speech**

[@ABCav-n9f]

Shit now i need to listen to more Kpop.

[@jumanahxb4087]

Bts' entire career is political 😭😭 yet they're the largest group right now it's very ironic

[@beta910]

Red Velvet: *chuckles in performing in N.Korea for a peace summit * Edit: I might be wrong

[@ria_x_rose]

@@beta910 yes they performed for Kim jong un in NK. That's why i said Red Flavour because that's the song they performed... i though typing it out was less funny🤷🏽‍♀️

[@raerohan4241]

@@jumanahxb4087 Where's the irony? They still put out music talking about society, injustice, etc. And their current position doesn't invalidate the message of the songs they put out in the past

[@heatherfosth]

Whether you agree with what these “kpop fans and Tiktok” users did, the reality is that - within American politics - it had a HUGE impact, especially in a non-standard election year of Covid-19. For non-Americans or those within the international community who aren’t interested in how American politics work, it’s probably difficult to understand what the big deal is. I won’t go into how polling, numbers, and campaign momentum among young voters play into all of this, but suffice it to say, that it is was way more significant than trolling and humor.

[@KahwahShutseh]

Completely agree! 👍🏽

[@mollyfurball]

And actually, the signing up for tickets is not just simply trolling. It actually screwed up their precious voters data bc a lot are unusable and causing them a lot of trouble and $$ to sort it out, making their future campaign analysis and ad targeting efforts more difficult. So more damage is done than just low turn out or trolling.

[@charstar386]

I love this response and agree with it completely. BTW the tik tok campaign was started by a woman in her 50s. It was. meant to do real harm, not just a silly offhanded trolling, and it accomplished that.

[@Shuffledudee]

It did not have a huge impact.

[@arusu1806]

Lmao!! If you want to beat Trump in this election you’re gonna have to get trump voters on your side silly 🤪 too late looks like 16 year olds can’t vote and doesn’t look like the silent majority is gonna cafe into your kpop stans 🤷🏻‍♀️ it really is a shame that all you can do is create empty seats and not real change ☺️ Can’t wait to see your fan cams during Trump’s second win Uwu

[@lizbethgarcia1280]

“that’s what they said 3 months ago” such a mood 🥴

[@jujugarcianyc]

Yeah, David is really on one. How you gonna say politics and culture should be separate, and also that the disease is going to die off in 3 months. What the hell is wrong with him today? Thank god zaddy Danny was there to correct

[@BrookeOhWinslow]

Yeah, not happening. Until all countries around the world are managing COVID 19 successfully, it's not magically going to go away. Here in the US, with our sh*t leadership, that's not happening until we have a vaccine. ... Art and culture is a reflection of everyday life, which is heavily impacted by politics. Just because an individual feels comfortable in life, they shouldn't criticize and shut down people who aren't satisfied with discrimination and are fighting for a better future.

[@michelle5900]

I am not ready to pay to expose myself to illness in a concert. *Edit*: if you want to go on concerts during this time, please do so, support the economy. Move your money whichever way. Feed your idols.

[@joon5498]

Pink Silk Honestly. Perfectly said

[@erikoenglish1651]

Me too

[@otis3909]

Not me :)

[@esc7490]

Then don't go

[@jktm7785]

more seats for others then

[@leviackerman5870]

I had 3 tickets to that rally, it's sad, totally sad, that I live in eNgLaNd

[@kacevang7464]

LOL

[@say7686]

LMAO

[@netanyasmit1482]

😂😂 Badass

[@shannon504]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@taehyungguccibag6480]

LOL

[@sabaalogman7525]

I don’t think it’s necessarily that kpop stans in a America are leftist but that younger people in America are just generally lean on left. Also listening to music from Korea and loving these “foreign” kpop idols and the men are especially very touchy doesn’t seem to sit right with those on the right in America.

[@gudemeneely]

I am a republican and an adult. I don't like Trump and love Kpop music. I am the anomaly

[@peachy-1511]

@@gudemeneely we stan you lol

[@pinkyyaksok]

I was looking for this comment! Danny and David failed to mention that the majority of American kpop fans are likely left-leaning only because the majority of them are young females, and the majority of young females are on the left. I am one of those young adult females who loves kpop, but I’m republican and I’m mostly ok with Trump (sometimes I agree with him and sometimes I don’t).

[@Lanilikes]

I am a conservative adult and I LOVE Kpop. I think that there's a deep misconception that's been perpetuated by the media that everyone on the right is a racist homophobe, when in all actuality that's not true. I hate that the media skews everything to create this divide between us, and I hate even more that people believe it.

[@arusu1806]

Lmao I’m on the right and I love kpop ✨ sorry not sorry but your ignorant over generalization is embarrassing

[@f3liz96]

I mean if the president acts like a clown, why can’t we?...

[@bettykabrdova1276]

I think the important thing to remember for kpop stans is that we're all human before we are fans. We all come from different places and backgrounds and we are not interested just in music but politics as well. You can't separate music from politics, especially when it has an impact on all of us. I assume the majority of fans who actually organize these kinds of online protests and trolling are people in their late teens or adults (such as me). And thanks to the power of social media it is incredibly easy to put together tens of thousands of people and do shit like this.

[@abirmezzine1930]

Actually this is not bout politics or culture it's about humanity and how it will be in the future, I think all the people around the world should be in this 😌👌👌

[@tolotwin5503]

Tricking the numbers is bigger than just "trolling". Kudos to the fans who helped with this!

[@meliybelly]

"There's small spikes here and there" *Laughs in US*

[@SarahHogan100]

So funny and true 🤣🤣🤣

[@Ian_Somnia]

Cries* in US T_T

[@V3r0n7ca]

My state has become a hot spot 😔. I wish people would of just stayed home and took health precautions (Fl).

[@bobbi1477]

right there is like 2000 cases a day

[@truefalse934]

The US really handled the virus the worst compared to all of the other countries 😑

[@sharonm2097]

Best No Show Protest ever!! That empty stadium was a beautiful sight to behold. So effective (though the Trump people will never admit it). Thank you, thank you, thank you!!

[@KaidanKarasu]

I would argue that art and culture are inextricably tied to politics, which obviously includes music. And I mean....... Just look at rap, country, and punk music in the US. I dunno, in the US at least it is not separate. Brands are becoming more political now as well, but I could understand that a different country would have different ideas about all of this. There a lot of reasons that the Kpop Fandoms of the US skew heavily left. Some of it is that you have to be open to another language and culture that you are unfamiliar with. Also the fact that Asian Americans have a limited audience/representation when it comes to music and pop culture in general. And the fact that gender expression is a bit different in the Kpop industry by what you can wear as a guy and have it be considered 'appropriate' in comparison is another hurdle if you lean right. Adding to that is the diversity of the fandoms itself when it comes to gender, race, age, and income it gets less surprising that US Kpop fans would inexplicably connect their favorite music with politics or hesitate to weaponize the fandom/music itself. Also, part of the agitation over a Trump rally at Tulsa was because it was on Juneteenth, adding insult to injury. So, yeah.... A lot of people felt it was super inappropriate to put it lightly. And it was Class A trolling because people got to hit Trump's ego, which is arguably a better hit than if they had actually bought seats and shown up.

[@ABCav-n9f]

I totally agree and that I live in Argentina. I understand that in Korea pollitics with K-Pop is almost never mixed, or at least it is not the norm. But if you start to see how Kpop was born, you see Seo Taiji, his message and his influence and you can see that Kpop was born as an artistic form of expression and protest, then it evolved into what is nowadays known as the machinery that is, in my opinion BTS broke a little with this standard. Korean fans may not be used to the relationship that art has, in this case music, with social protest, but this says more about how the large companies took this form of expression and monetized it. They took away the political expression from the music.

[@conniead5206]

Another who assumes who is and is not open to foreign music and culture. The main reason you think it is real lefties is that the majority are teens and young adults. Those hormonal and rebellious ages. Have you listened to the first few hits of the Beatles? We teen girls around the world went nuts. I went to two concerts but only saw them. Too many of the girls screamed non-stop. Even when the Beatles stop singing in the middle of a song it took awaited for the girls to notice. They asked them to stop screaming because others, like me, wanted to hear them. Didn’t work. We had a Japanese song that was a hit. Sang along to it. A singing French nun. There was a lot of Italian Opera and romantic Italian songs in our movies. Harry Belafonte sang “Hava Nagilla”. Lots of foreign entertainers of all sorts were on the Ed Sullivan Show. Americans who had TVs watched it almost religiously. Because of two world wars we had lots of first and second gens. I am a second gen from my dad’s side. His parents came here as poor teens from two different non-English speaking countries before 1910. It has appalled me how unwilling even my children’s generation is to listen to a variety of foreign music. Hispanic pop is acceptable to them and their kids. I gave up on our crap in the 2000’s. Ga Ga wearing her dinner, raw, to a music award show started me looking. I first found Japanese entertainment. Loved Arashi and Gackt. Then I found Kdramas and Kpop in 2008. I loved decades of our music but I swore I would never be in a musical rut like my parent’s generation. I listen to many decades but did not want to only be listening to Oldies But Goodies. As I commented to another, birds of a feather flock together. The fans you are aware of are younger, true. Much more talkative and on a lot of social media. They are also likely part of the herds that started the dam fan wars, I stopped watching EXO and BTS because of that crap. Still don’t watch. If you don’t have something good to say then say nothing. S. Korean entertainers are worked harder than just about anybody. And they get a lot of crap from evil haters. Probably part of the reason so many suicide. I get the impression that there are a lot more Hispanic fans than American. From Mexico to the tip of South America, plus the Gulf and Caribbean Islands. Many Spanish speakers in the Philippines too. Those trollers should not screw with election campaigns unless they believe it is okay for other trollers to mess with the side they are rooting for or in their country’s elections. No different than what the two major Old World foreign powers have been doing for years. Want to express an opinion, fine. Do underhanded things, not fine. It is about your ethics or lack of them.

[@conniead5206]

Belén Cavagión S. Korean entertainers don’t mess with foreign politics. Mainstream music in most countries does not mess with politics. American mainstream singers now rarely do protest music. Instead they politicized award shows, just like Hollywood. I don’t want entertainers telling me what I should be believing instead of happily accepting the awards we helped them earn. They can get on many a talk show to sermonize. The Vietnam Confluct (was not declared a war) began when I was about 13. We had plenty of protest music and comics willing to poke both sides. Nary a comic has dared make fun of Democrats on tv for decades. That is a “No” to me. Nobody is perfect and they all do stupid shit. Like Pelosi and that group wearing a Kente scarf while kneeling. A Ghanaian woman posted a short KZbin video criticizing them for wearing something none of them had a right to wear. I did some research and found out that the Ashanti tribe was actively involved in the slave trade. Got wealthy and stronger. As did quite a few black tribes even before Chris tripped over an Island. Muslim slave trade had been going on for about 800 years by then. If you have the stomach for some really gruesome information do a search for “Slavery in Africa” on the web. The last country to ban slavery, on paper, was a Western African country. 2005. So, those Dems were committing real culture appropriation and it is from a tribe that sold many Africans. Ignorance at it’s finest.

[@ABCav-n9f]

@@conniead5206 Sorry, I read all your comments and I don't think I can answer you accordingly because English is not my mother tongue ... What I can tell you is that art is born as a form of social expression, one of those forms of expression can be political. That you like that type of expression, that you feel identified or not with the message is something completely different. No one devalues ​​the work of artists who express themselves socially about other aspects of society that are not political. What I said in my post and repeat is that, in my opinion, (it is my whole point of view) fans in South Korea are not used to their favorite artists choosing political expression. But separating art from political expression is ridiculous by its very nature.

[@schoo2894]

I have a question for DKDKTV hosts. I agreed that K POP fans and the younger generations in US are very much on the left and on the progressive side, I myself is a progressive and very much on the left. I'm curious about the Korean society and the younger generation in Korea, how progressive and how left are there? I know Korean are very conservative, but I wonder if the younger generation are slowly moving to the left and becoming more progressive as well. I appreciate your insight and any info you can share.

[@ushakangjam9448]

I can tell u something for sure. They study a lot

[@karabii]

Maybe a yr ago i saw a korean react video. Young korean people who looked like in their 20s reacted to a man doing a flashmob to propose to his husband. One woman cried and got upset saying that the older gen doesnt accept LGBTQ as much. So maybe the young people are!

[@softepilogues7020]

I think younger generations are always more progressive than their predecessors. Can't think of a time when it was otherwise. The degree might differ from country to country, but younger people gravitate towards relatively radical ideas.

[@ayo.......2430]

Speaking as a korean we are a lot more progressive then the older generations but compared to other countries we are still a bit behind.

[@tokyopt]

Dude interviewed on BBC: "I'm a professional troll, so stan BTS, stream Stay Gold, it's out now." That's it, it's only monday and my week has just been made by this random dude in 5 seconds. LOL

[@strawberrired]

I hate when people say that music shouldn't involve politics. It's an expression of art and in a democracy you are free to use your art to comment on politics, if it's not your cup of tea there's other music you can listen to (like kpop lol). I personally found it much more disturbing during the Hong Kong protests coverage that some idols took a stance in favour of the police to ensure future business prospects, but I also understand why they did it. Misdirected or not, at least this time the kpop fandoms achieved something slightly more meaningful than inflating stream numbers.

[@bts_txtteatime5495]

you GOTTA hurt trump where he will really FEEL IT, "HIS DAMN EGO!" He and his campaign were BOASTING about the 1M reserved tickets for days... and look at what happened! THAT WAS THE POINT OF TROLLING!

[@eshbena]

Amen!

[@elenabob4953]

He doesn't care because he had millions watching online. This never happened before in any presidential campaign so in this case Trump won and he has another thing to boast about.

[@Tessa_Gr]

@@elenabob4953 Are you only here to support Trump? But I guess he needs some person on the internet with how pathetic his ego is

[@erikoenglish1651]

@@elenabob4953 I watched it because we want to see how many empty seats.

[@bts_txtteatime5495]

@@elenabob4953 uhmm ONLINE viewers doesn't necessarily means and equates to REAL SUPPORT FYI.. some people on the left were viewing in because BEFORE it started, NEWS about the crowd size and everything are already all over the internet and in the news cycle and people got curious.. hence his rally was a major TREND with MOCKERY and FUN online.

[@BentonRox]

There's always the argument that artists need to stay out of politics, now people think fans should? Nonsense. There's enough of us to make a loud voice and I think it's great to see that voice being used for putting positive messages out there. It's a nice change from the traditional stance of trolls, which is often reactionary and conservative.

[@taryn2060]

"I think the virus is gonna die in 3 months" Meanwhile, America.

[@slm3108]

What is scary was with the Spanish Flu ppl knew to wear masks and social distance even back then. One of the reason the 2nd wave was bigger than the first was because people were tired of dealing with it, they let their guard down and stopped taking it seriously. My mom who is a nurse is legit very worried for the fall when both the pandemic and regular cold and flu season line up. Also, it's only a very small percentage of people in most countries that have gotten it yet. Legit I am hoping the world just gets very very lucky in the fall and somehow this all goes away but so far 2020 has not been on that trend.

[@mona-gr6yv]

Haha let’s all just wish for the best and knock on wood

[@thegrammarpolice6953]

@@mona-gr6yv Yep, that's about all we can do at this point...

[@kreiner1]

I live in Oklahoma and I'm so proud that so few showed up. Oklahoma is big trump state I mean big (we are in no way a battleground state) he though it would be a out of the park hit. There was no one blocking anyone from getting in. Thank you to all people who helped

[@mishkastern]

Hip hop was created by the Black community and is, by its very nature, political. If Kpop groups featuring rappers want to claim any legitimacy, they can't claim hip hop is just a culture. Even if they do though, it is inherently, again by its very nature, a Black culture.

[@leteflondondu92]

kpop isn't hip hop

[@mishkastern]

@@leteflondondu92 I agree, it's not. Take AKMU, for example. And not every Kpop group has a rapper, but pretty much every group with a rapper has taken influences from hip hop. The Kpop groups who have spoken out on political issues acknowledge their hip hop influences.

[@UwU-ch3bj]

Honestly its not like kpop fans are seeking attention on the western through politics. Kpop fans are humans too, these humans have opinions on their government. Theyre just simply using their stan acc and being normal citizens with political opinions.

[@justdavid_92]

Some important context and extra explanation that was edited out. (more to be spoken about in the aftershow) - agreeing to culture and politics being detached to 'SOME EXTENT': of course 'ITS NOT COMPLETELY DETACHED(duh like who doesnt know this)' but there is a mass majority of Koreans that think that way, because many of them want it to be that way and use ex) Kpop as an escape from daily life and struggles. Culturally the Korean entertainment business is already formed/conditioned in that way and you will rarely see Kpop artists or celebrities talking about politics in their work or shows. Plus the artists themselves are either not educated nor comfortable on speaking about these issues, so they themselves(or the labels) detach from politics. (twitter.com/hyunsuinseoul/status/1275040980547203072?s=20 thought this was just funny) / + and yes i know there are exceptions... before you come at me, but lets just speak in general here. -economy being first in the pandemic : OF COURSE ITS NOT FIRST. SAFETY AND LIVES ARE. But my comment was edited out, that I was talking about, 'in this current context/situation(restricted to S.Korea), where we only have a few spikes and positive cases recently (like 0-5 per day), when some countries reportedly are having zero per day, when our health-care system is good enough to cover the few spikes, I think it's about time to prioritize the economy. We can't shut down education, businesses and everything forever. Small business owners and their families that invested their whole life savings to establish a business have already lost their everythings, thousands of people have lost jobs and are struggling with no income for months, entire sectors of businesses like tourism are falling down and more.. The more we neglect economy it's gonna cause major damage to numerous people out there. I'm sure the Korean society has the capacity to simultaneously handle 1-5 cases per day(which are decreasing), AND also give more concentration on reviving the economy at the same time. Which is what is happening by the gov and politicians. Everyone is already out spending, going to work, using public transportation (being cautious). BECAUSE? we need to save the economy = society. Above is what I meant. Not when the COVID-19 is PEAKING and we have 10,000 cases per day and people are dying because of a shortage of hospital beds(maybe this is still ongoing in some countries in South America, but not Korea). The gov. of Korea and the mayor of Seoul agrees and that's why social distancing was leveled down. The mayor of Seoul stated that if we have more than 30 cases a day, he would again level up the social distancing protocol. I think this is pretty rational and practical behavior. -about the covid virus ending in 3 months and resuming offline concerts - i said i was being extremely optimistic, just like how danny was being extremely pessimistic on the Corona parties.. and HOPED that it would end within the year.

[@erikoenglish1651]

I understand you saying. This post should be highlight. Because many people missed

[@sarahc.6071]

Hey David, it's good to see your positive attitude, but the problem with covid numbers is that 0-5 people are those with symptoms and being tested, but far more people have it and spread it, not knowing they actually are infected. Numbers might be low as well due to the fact that it's summer(like influenza and other flue causing viruses mostly occur in winter). You have a huge fanbase, so I just HOPE the audience doesn't get mislead by this and keeps being cautious and maintaining social distancing. Nevertheless, your videos are entertaining and informative at the same time, this great, keep it up!!!

[@gudemeneely]

@@sarahc.6071 you do realize in places like Arizona where the weather is very hot right now that you saying warm weather will bring numbers down when in Arizona the numbers are going up. This isn't anything like the flu. Many in the US that I have talked to feel thing won't go back to "normal" until a vaccine is found.

[@sarahc.6071]

@@gudemeneely hey, that's not what I'm saying, that's what scientists here in Germany suggest, that temperature has an influence, that's it. Of course you have to considere a lot of things when trying to explain numbers. Do you have a lock down on Arizona? Are there no protests? Do you have enough masks? I don't know, what it's like there and I'm sorry for the situation in Arizona. Temperature could have an influence, neither of us can prove or deny it, we can just quote what qualified scientist say.

[@IsabelLopez-pl7cs]

About K-pop and politics, is simple for me in this specific situation, is the USA, is Trump, is about humanity, is about what’s wrong or right. You don’t need to think too much. If you say that K-pop is to not think too much about real serious problems, really????? Maybe this generation of K-pop stans is far away a from that thought and I’m part of it as an army. 💜💜💜

[@sangeetchouhan2175]

15:35 Ateez To Be First Kpop Group That Sia Decides To Follow On Twitter I am So Proud 😭

[@vampanth3m747]

Proud of them too I just really dislike sia

[@BeaA.26]

I would love for concerts to start again. But the fact that I live in Europe (specifically in the UK), just tells me to get ready for a second wave. So many people don’t care about it anymore. That is the reason this will keep being around for longer 🙄. I’m from Portugal, and if you look at the numbers right now, they keep increasing mainly because of illegal parties (so careless and stupid). Anyways, I don’t see actual full normal concerts happening in here anytime soon 🙃

[@leviackerman5870]

Lmao I live in the UK too, and literally no one gives a shit here, it's so funny. But it'll be masked as the flu if it happens again, cuz the tory govt wants to look as if theyve been successful.

[@dreamingmoon737]

Yup, people here in Portugal are getting to careless. They forget that it's not just their lives on the table...

[@BeaA.26]

EatJin 24/7 literally they said it was going to be mandatory to wear masks on public transportation but whenever a bus passes by I see people without a mask or wearing it the wrong way. This is not going to magically disappear if people don’t put effort.

[@mariamontalva1843]

Here in Chile is a complete mess, in latin america things are really bad right now

[@chiiblossom]

Literally,, I live in England and it’s a mess.. One of my neighbors literally had a Hen party, invited 50 PEOPLE and had the CHEEK to hire a singer!! I-

[@modewear1202]

Me and my friends were cracking up all weekend, they dragged trump I’m so happy for all the Kpop fans out there 😆

[@sharfunnishaahamed1640]

David said he reads our comments ... Does he ??? David ??? R u here ??? Hi !!!! If ur reading this 👋👋👋

[@justdavid_92]

Hi :)

[@acacia2649]

Woah he actually replied

[@queenrabaya647]

@@justdavid_92 The smile matches your profile

[@timeoftheend9516]

@@justdavid_92 hey Dave, congrats to your engagement 😂 saw on instagram you got a ring

[@sharfunnishaahamed1640]

@@justdavid_92 OMG!!! U ACTUALLY REPLIED !!! 🤯🤯🤯 ... Waiting for your next "reaction video" from your channel ( justdavid ) .... Have a good day 💜💜💜

[@irenelainz9234]

I think that music and art in general are closely linked with politics. It may be different in Korea, but here in Spain specifically in Barcelona ALL music is about politics or at least bands and musicians are linked to a political idea, sometimes at concerts people carry flags or pancards. There is simply no point in trying to separate music from politics, because everything is politics.

[@samanthaalexis5877]

Like Danny said, concerts happening is going to be a buffet feast for the virus that shall not be named! To somewhat keep it safe, they would have to drastically reduce the amount of tickets they could sell, constant patrolling to insure people keep masks on (which is going to get hot as hell), and having to check temperatures of EVERY PERSON that comes into the venue which means they would probably need more staff for events. There is a lot to factor in and consider for them to have concerts without seeing huge spikes of cases again. They don't want anymore Itaewon-like incidents then a company or Kpop artists is blamed for a case surge. It's a liability I don't know would be worth taking on.

[@raizas_archives]

Exactly I wished we could have concerts soon but let’s be realistic we probably won’t until maybe next year. Concerts shouldn’t be talked about right now.

[@k_4_kookiex266]

The trolling of 2020 will forever be epic. Pls if your 18, go vote in US election 🙏 Hoping if "big group" takes a modified enlistment to serve while still promoting/ touring would awesome 👌 The entire group could serve together. There's always a plan 😉😉

[@alperry02]

There is always , always a plan🙌🏽👍🏽😊

[@junik.9414]

Still confused on how military enlistment and touring would work out 🤔

[@marlee7389]

Vote for who exactly? Biden is as bad as the orange head. He says a lot of good things(i guess) but his deeds say a lotttttt. They're both shit candidates.

[@gudemeneely]

@@marlee7389 I agree, where are the independent candidates

[@WonderingWildWanderingRose]

@@gudemeneely they are there, you just need to look for them since only the two major parties ever get media spotlight. Other parties will continue to struggle while people believe that voting your conscience is "wasting your vote" and continue believing that they only have a choice between "Horrible" & "Worse".

[@olliekim1730]

on the contrary, people respect kpop stan a lot more because they took a stand against injustice. big fandoms, big potential media power. they used what they had and turned it into something positive once again really proud rn.

[@lamegamehero]

I feel like some kpop artists are more political than others. I don’t think it’s fair to say “keep your politics out of my kpop”.

[@Tessa_Gr]

Just think of Seo Taiji, he is called the father of KPop and is very political. Also, obviously BTS, they even spoke at the UN. That definitely inspires many fans to take political action themselves

[@justanotherweirdo11]

The International kpop fans of Twitter have been previously known as a toxic nuisance. Many examples but mostly spamming fan cams on non related posts like, famous person: talks about grief for a family member's death kpop Twitter: If only they stanned Loona *fan cam of Chuu* That's why I think their support for the BLM movement is great. They're doing something productive by supporting a cause that they care about.

[@liquo]

16:24 BTS JIN ??!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 are you saying he can tour n perform while enlisting in military?! Omg...

[@LordGrokken]

What the trolls did was totally scrap all fund raising efforts from the rally. Nicely done guys.

[@hanibeeez]

Even if my no1 artist is having a concert I ain’t going. My life is more important than a concert

[@justSunny7]

They can just keep the online concerts coming since that's how I watch all concerts anyway lol

[@rain-sl7mc]

Sunny right I’ve literally never been to a kpop concert since 2016 when I got into it

[@dokja6833]

Call me reckless and dumb, but I have tickets for a concert in November, I've been waiting for this since January and it's a rare chance for me to go on a concert. It's the first time a Kpop group performs in my country and it would be just to expensive to travel 6 hours to the next possible location. I only payed about 50 euros instead of 1000+ so I'm definitely going.

[@justSunny7]

@@dokja6833 everyone has their own outlook on the situation, and that's ok

[@cate9963]

The same. I am not going to a concert until it is absolutely safe to go out in a crowd again. No amount of love for music is worth getting oneself infected. The virus is really no joke. I have heard of cases that people recovered but their lungs or other organs are permanently damaged! I found it ironic that Kpop companies still intend to make money under such circumstances. They should be held liable if someone in the audience or the artist gets infected. Breathing deeply, yelling loudly, and singing loudly while dancing can release a lot of viruses into the air. It is really unwise and unethical!

[@adesolaoghenekevwe7264]

Danny i agree they should do the military services and allow world tours ... to me it’s a win win situation, you serve your country and you still tour.

[@leelachandrashekharan9092]

Thank you so much for keeping us informed and for making our quarantine better guys:)))💜💜

[@mistyrae9496]

There are a lot of kpop stans in America, and in the US, there has always been a history of musicians using their platforms to speak out about political issues and injustices here, so I guess we’re just used to those 2 meshing more

[@nilanjana99Ji]

" A very Big kpop group" Hmmmm intresting 😂 💜

[@justSunny7]

🤔😂

[@Wintercandle145]

I wonder who😏

[@jeanzipagan4978]

💜💜💜💜💜💜💜

[@concernedcitizen6102]

Epic move for trump trollers.. I salute you! We heard your voices. Thank you very much💓💓.

[@April_ONeil]

I'm glad the government as finally realizing that Kpop brings in A LOT of money into the economy.

[@RowanTreeArt]

the fact that so many young ppl are engaging with the politics in our country is phenomenal. for a long time the younger generation hasn't been voting, or participating in a huge way in politics- in part because of feelings of "well my voice doesn't matter" so i think that if it takes being a part of a larger community - like kpop fandoms or tiktok - to encourage engagement with politics from a young age can only be beneficial down the road

[@sushmayellapragada7735]

OMG David is my alter ego. There hasn't been a single time I disagreed with what he said. Danny helps me see things from a different perspective though. Edit: 19:10 Nevermind David

[@katie_theory]

So I'm a kpop stan and I live in Alabama which as most can guess is full of very Trump supporters and Kpop Antis. But I don't let that stop me I love BTS's message and music as well as many other groups. Sadly a lot of my friends and coworkers are antis, but since the actions of kpop stans in the BLM moment, the hashtag shut downs, and now this many of those same Antis have come to me and told me how they can't believe how hateful they were to kpop. After hearing what we have done to support these moments and change things they have researched kpop and they were amazed at how different it actually is compared to what they thought. So I think we shouldn't stop! Keep doing what you're doing because I see the change in Antis and more! I've never been more proud to be a kpop stan!

[@rafaelam.1191]

Kpop fans in SK and kpop international fans have a completely different mentality. They both have good and bad things, not shaming anyone. But it's just too different to compare.

[@army4chair345]

us international fans def outnumber them too

[@rachie9716]

I know the situation around the whole military is touchy, but I would thought they would make it voluntarily for Idols. Seen that they are bringing attention to the country/culture.

[@eshap731]

Correction armys tried to match donation numbers to bts, not kpop Stans.

[@teemegs]

I feel like if an artist holds a concert, and then its later reported that like hundreds of fans caught the coronavirus at their concert, it would really ruin their reputation... i agree that we should probably still hold off on concerts...

[@moonlightowl328]

1. Culture and art will have political influence, and often times is used as forms to express those views 2. K-Pop fans are fans of the artists not the industry, hence, we can try to shift it into a more "liberal" side such as advocating for gay acceptance, cultural awareness such as no appropriating, reforming regulations that can harm and abuse the artists, as long as kpop companies continue to push their groups globally. 3. "locals" hated our guts on twitter a few weeks ago for spamming with fancams, but seems like they have a newfound respect for kpop fans 4. kpop fandoms still has a lot of colorist, and racist people that harass poc kpop fans and that should also be addressed

[@nininoona]

As a fan of Kpop for over 20 years, I am so proud of my fellow fans. As for the thought that Kpop and Politics should be kept separate, those that think that way are missing the point. The point is not that they are Kpop fans, but a group of people who believe in social equality and understanding that just happens to also be Kpop fans. It's a community of individuals, trying to do good, with others in the community. Just like Christians mobilize multiple churches for things like charity campaigns, the Kpop community mobilized themselves to make a statement. Declaring in one voice that they believe Black Lives Matter and that they support diversity and equality. Two ideals that Trump rebukes on a daily basis.

[@ilonildea7930]

DKDKTV : we are open for advertisement! Business: paying for some publicity Me: making the screen bigger so that the little white row would disappear no shade :)

[@justSunny7]

Ngl, i have not read a single thing in that box. mostly because the words pass too slow and my attention goes elsewhere

[@00justsayin00]

Ngl, I didn’t even notice the white band at the bottom until I read this comment.

[@squarepeg1863]

OMG! As an American, I have so much to say to this episode but I will try and stick to two topics. 1st) America IS mostly a liberal country. The problem is they are mostly concentrated in the urban centers and our FU electoral college gives more credence to lower population states than urban centers plus gerrymandering is a HUGE problem. Lots to fix here. 2) Music/Culture has always been political. Protest songs and anthems against govt oppression has been part of the American experience since the 19th century. Look it up. It may be a cultural taboo in Korea but not here.

[@katekursive1370]

Listen to good music, support charitable causes, and troll harmful political forces is my goal as an ARMY.

[@lchen2522]

Kpop fans in the west are young and very liberal, and their liberal leanings are affecting the kpop industry more than kpop's conservative roots are affecting the fans. Being in the kpop fandom has actually taught these kids a lot about organizing and protesting.

[@erisazeqiri]

Thanks to you and the fact that you explain different kpop song i did well on one of my finals. You guys have a special place in my heart because of everything you do for us

[@raine8820]

Oh, how’s that? Did you have to explain a kpop song in your finals?

[@erisazeqiri]

@@raine8820 lmao no i had like this question on Freud's philosophy and i remembered when they explained the songs Persona Shadow and Ego by BTS cause I had completely forgotten to learn the lesson on Freud ahahha

[@raine8820]

erisa zeqiri Amazing xD

[@junik.9414]

erisa zeqiri So true. I started to delve deeper into Jungian school of thought and my knowledge of Asian culture is expanded a lot, that helped me in my cultural studies.

[@erisazeqiri]

@@junik.9414 im very happy that the knowledge we have in random topics like korean culture can be applied in our every day life. There were times when i would reply to my history teacher about something she thought we wouldn't know but i knew because of kdramas or random facts i read about Korea

[@hanaday8001]

13:22 i agree with danny on that but at the same time I don't think most international fans know the extremes of the kpop trainees have to go through to potentially be a idol or other things related to Korean news. I think a lot of people listen to kpop just for the music which is fine and then there are the others who actually learn more about the idols and Korean culture.

[@maxineyang1332]

10:49-10:53 *YOU HEARD THE MAN, STREAM STAY GOLD!!! ISSA BOP*

[@shqa574]

If Americans never heard of K-Pop before, now they know about it. K-Pop fans in the USA are diverse cultures, btw.

[@alisiabakerjb]

Elijah Daniel's is Army! Love him!

[@sebbat9575]

The difference is that culture and politics are directly related in the West, especially America. Our existences are inherently political. In America, being politically involved as a celebrity gets you brownie points an more popularity. It might be a negative thing in Korea for celebs to share their views and speak out, but in America it earns you respect. That's why so many people are starting to say they respect kpop stans and such since we're getting so involved. It's giving us a better reputation in the West. Also, the trolling could have helped some since the numbers were so big, it could have deterred thousands of people from trying to compete for entrance.

[@d..b5490]

13:25 I lost it when Danny said that, it's so true and the irony of it amazing

[@saeseah9151]

I agree with Danny. How can culture and politics be separated? We live in a society folks.

[@fi0rella]

It's true what they said about kpop fandom in SK and US kpop fandom being almost polar opposites. I'm not from either of those places but I clearly see it. I can't say I identify with either but anything that's to help get a different government in the US in November I'm up for it. If I could vote myself I would! Too bad we can't since you know.. The US are basically de-facto colonizers of third world countries lmao we should be able to vote too for our tyrants lol

[@kimmielynnburton9591]

dont talk about my Country you DON'T knw ANYTHING but FAKE NEWS WE HAVING A VERY HARD TIME RIGHT NOW BUT AMERICA & IT'S PEOPLE ARE BASICALLY GOOD PEOPLE NO ONE WANTS YOUR SORRY ASS OPINION ON AMERICA WORRY ABOUT YOUR ON HOME OH I GUESS YOUR PERFECT

[@yisooee]

@@kimmielynnburton9591 bruh chill lmao... and its kinda true

[@marialujancaruso7532]

@@kimmielynnburton9591 HAHAHAHHAA chill out darling 3rd world can speak too.. we know how to + we do have internet connection + freedom of speech

[@sleepyfriendstm]

@@kimmielynnburton9591 I mean...she ain't wrong tho.

[@whyzzie_1134]

@@kimmielynnburton9591 Bruh. Bring that 10 down to a 2. She aint that wrong

[@AsianTankPilot]

I don’t mind Kpop fans speaking out and taking action as long as they are individually informed and making their own decisions.

[@ten1162]

lmao that CORONA PARTY killed me😂😂

[@elisabethgraham9757]

well sometimes people forget if fans is also people and also human, theyre breath, walk and live in the same planet.

[@salmaelhaj3788]

Stan bts stream stay gold This man is a role model now 😂😂😂😂😂

[@pikaminyoongi5995]

Hey where is official stay gold uploaded I cudnt finfld it.. Pls help

[@Jasmine-xj9ni]

@@pikaminyoongi5995 Just check the BigHit channel or all major music platforms like Spotify or Apple Music

[@Nicole-fo4td]

@@pikaminyoongi5995 official audio?

[@Nicole-fo4td]

@@pikaminyoongi5995 its on spotify

[@tasiamaery5437]

@@pikaminyoongi5995 BANGTANTV

[@pemayb9134]

Culture and politics go hand in hand...one without the other is just impossible.

[@LovelyDH]

North Korea: tries to disrespect South Koreans South Korea: weak insult.

[@lightefilit]

South Korea: y'all haven't seen kpop stans dragging each other yet 🥴

[@AshalaySays]

ARMY literally stands for ADORABLE REPRESENTATIVE MC FOR YOUTH....its in our brand to fight against the injustices. Also the trolling has actually gotten more locals to look into kpop rather than be discouraged. Also for the teens they can't vote so they found a way to do something

[@Yeru_07]

It's not just like "kpop fans getting involved in politics" it's just humans wanting humans rights and trying expres it in the way the know the best, even if they're teens Is their country and it's their future. And almost every "political" movement comes from cultural problems is not just connected, they feed one another. Also, maybe koop as an industry is not the best to express liberal opinions but most fandoms just focus on the members and what they say etc so at end what we want it's make it all about humans and less about industry, campaigns etc... so yeah, not everything is perfect, but we try...?

[@mightytaiger3000]

There isn’t 1right that is denied to anyone because of the color of their skin under the constitution. Why don’t you read it first. Then you can look at all the available footage on KZbin from independent journalists and see how “humans” were harassed and threatening with violence even towards elderly people, just because they support Trump, and prevented them from entering the rally. The attitude of the average “trump hater” wouldn’t be allowed in south korea. You are mob-minded and absolutely disrespectful to people older than you. You are getting involved with concepts you don’t even understand and all you can try to do is block people from exercising their rights. You’re not the good guys here.

[@Yeru_07]

@@mightytaiger3000 you right, and I get your point, I also don't know enough about Korean culture, I should do my research first. But I never agreed whit any type of violence against anybody. I'm not saying teenagers are the saver of a nation, but protesting is also an exercise of rights. That's the point. And nobady is the "good guys" there's not such a thing.

[@batiasegal3117]

One time I got into an immigration debate on Twitter with other kpop fans and they were like "Twice would be disappointed in you" and I was like, "I doubt Twice knows much about American immigration issues". It's so true, it really is ironic that American kpop fans are mostly on the left. If the industry existed in America in the way that it does in Korea they would all be protesting it for sure.

[@madeinbusanjkjm]

David: "That's an extreme pessimistic point of view." 😂 I really appreciate what Danny said there about the western kpop fans being almost exclusively leftist while the Korean culture generally is quite the opposite. It's an interesting comparison that I never even considered so far. Perhaps this is also why so many of the kpop industry practices sound so backwards to us western fans whereas in Korea they are considered completely normal. I am viewing everything in this new light now....

[@caratmochi4328]

If you're western and not korean then why do you call yourself "made in busan"?? It's a bit cringy and koreaboo-ish tbh

[@therealsamsclub2325]

0:50 YAASS DKDKTV GET THAT MONEYYYY 💰💎 can’t wait to see what you guys endorse! ♥️ love u both

[@blah1290]

we have mandatory enlistment in my country too and some singers that are deemed to have an "international" impact get to still release music and hold concerts while serving.

[@KM-ro2tf]

That's interesting. Where are you from?

[@fi0rella]

Wait are you serious or are you trolling?

[@blah1290]

@@fi0rella no like I'm completely serious. They do however get criticized a lot by everyone cause they arent serving the country "properly".

[@pamelabatchelor9204]

I’m a left leaning American KPop fan Stan. The more we all share and find our commonality for human rights issues the better. I hope KPop fans who support BLM take knowledge and awareness to the issues all around them despite boarders.

[@alii7936]

I'm not even American and I booked a ticket 😇

[@truefalse934]

Doing gods work; hats off to you my friend (from an American 😄)

[@bluestarchronicles]

Ali’s Chronicles and you’re proud of that? How childish.

[@Julia-se2kw]

I think next episode’s “oppsie of the week” should be about TXT’s Fox interview, specifically about the question regarding Trump. The interviewer was so out of line for asking TXT (literal MINORS) about American politics. Yeonjun handled the situation very well, but he shouldn’t even have been put in that situation because the interviewer should know better than to ask a group of KOREAN idols about American politics. I don’t even know why Bighit put TXT on a conservative news station in the first place.

[@May-fo1rs]

I'm so proud of kpop ppl and TicTok useres for registering for the Trump rally. 😂😂😂😂

[@badpeachie]

Trolling trump was also sending a message without having to protest on the streets during COVID. I think it was a smart move and I hope more people will do the same. We need to find other ways to protest!

[@jamesperez1789]

Freedom should not be violated or someone who have their own interest.. But your voice should be haired , you should speak yourself for the sake of righteousness

[@hadeelabed3634]

With the power we kpop fans hold, we are using that to help black lives hence rn they need all the help they can get. We did this because trump is so inhuman towards his citizens that he chose a bunker over us, leaving millions of people to deal with a pandemic on their own and have police force harm us while peacefully protesting. Not everything is about politics & blm is not politics, their precious lives. So I think what we did was fantastic. Not many Americans can come together on such a big subject like this. We want change and justice and that is what we will get no matter what.