WOOJIN Controversy Explained with OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS /

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[@tespio]

You said company has been registered on "September 27th 2020" but in fact is July 27th 2020. Just a small correction :)

[@vidushimahatha8640]

I think I agree with what danny said cause ...the possibility of what David said happening is just too much fiction.. I think woojin deserves a benefit of doubt...already people have like declared him as an assaulting person..like its NOT PROVED YET Special after what happened to kang hyun joon (actor- bof)...people just believed the girl and now when the verdict is out no one cares

[@roter13]

Danny wanted to kill David during the Woojin explanation.

[@sarahdatta5898]

@@roter13 ya I felt the same

[@sarahdatta5898]

17:35 Is it really possible

[@xerrrrtt]

The possibilities of all those possibilities being possible is just another possibility that could possibly happen

[@baggingbangtan3457]

YES

[@JoZeeBB]

🤣🤣🤣

[@eloise4419]

i mean possibly

[@nonosjams]

snackamoto yuta YES

[@justaninfiredperson]

Mork

[@TheDucky]

The stupid thing about the woojin situation is that there’s so much fake information put as credible so now no one knows what to believe.

[@danny7883]

Joseph Lopez exactly, i wish we had more information for us to take a posture or know who to believe. Right now idk who to believe

[@TheDucky]

Danny that’s litteraly exactly how I feel

[@B3Band]

The guy on the right isn't helping by refusing to understand a basic fucking concept.

[@raymondhj]

Shouldn’t believe anything because investigation hasn’t been done

[@KoraDJess]

exactly

[@linda570]

About the Woojin case - what disgusts me the most is that if the accusations are fake, then those people are not only trying to ruin someone's life (Woojin's, in this case), they are also lowering the credability of actual rape/sexual assult victims. The more false accusations there are, the less credability all victims - real ones, too - are going to get in the eyes of society. That right there is what truly disgusts me about these people.

[@lewlavabra6811]

YES ! thank you ! this is what really scares me...

[@mimi-xx3ik]

even if all of the victims accusations were fake, woojin is still a liar and a manipulator. just because one side is wrong does not make the other automatically right

[@linda570]

@@mimi-xx3ik Ok, explain that to me. If the accusations are all fake, how is he in the wrong? How is he a liar and manipulator, as you say, if all the accusations are lies? What proof do you have of his wrong doings?

[@mimi-xx3ik]

@@linda570 are you serious? you are putting out your opinion on the situation without even looking into it, doing some research? he photoshopped his Instagram pictures. he creating fake evidence and a fake alibi. he MADE UP A COMPANY THE SAME DAY AS THE ACCUSATIONS. the logo was stolen. the phone number was fake. the website was trash. the emails were unprofessional. the address was one of an apartment building. he used the situation to PROMOTE HIS NEW PROJECTS. and what is there against the victims? one of them used a photo that could potentially be fake. the difference is that the photo could POTENTIALLY be fake. and that's only ONE of the victim. what about the other ones? what about the ones who didn't speak up at all? that's the difference. he dismissed sexual assault like he was accused of sweating on vlive or something like that. do not pity this man. you are falling right into his trap. he makes what's left of his fanbase protect him and speak up for him because he can't do it himself

[@linda570]

@@mimi-xx3ik Yes, I am serious, but I am not speaking up for Woojin as you seem to assume. If anything, I’d like to speak up for everyone’s right to the benefit of doubt. I would like to speak up for the ability to sit back and wait for proof and not judge so quickly based on what is spreading on the internet. If the accusations are false, then it is terrible that anyone would set out to ruin another person’s life in this way. If the accusations are true, then Woojin deserves to be punished for what he has done - in accordance with the law, after he has been proven guilty. So far, there is evidence both for and against on both sides. Just look at the company mentioned - yes, there is plenty that seems fishy about it, but if you watched the video, you’ll have seen that it could also be a real company, and that is based on first hand information that Danny showed us. Just like the picture could POTENTIALLY be fake, the company could POTENTIALLY be fake. At this point, there is no conclusive evidence on either side so I don’t believe either of them yet - I am giving them the benefit of doubt. If I didn’t, I could either be calling innocent victims liars or an innocent man a sexual predator. So yes, I am serious, because I think it is too early to make ANY judgements in this case, and the way people are reacting means that Woojin’s future will be compromised NO MATTER WHAT if he is innocent or not.

[@kazuhasdeadfriend191]

if it turns out that woojin is innocent, i highkey bet that lots of people who were like “oh yeah woojin always gave me bad vibes.” are going to be like “oh i always knew he was innocent.” smh

[@jocelyn9744]

I remember the #SaveWoojin...and we have come to this... Idk this is sad really

[@mykitten6774]

#ThankyouWoojin also... We went through a lot Even in Vlive..what Chan said... It will never get clear... Even he want to clear it... He is in a company

[@lilydrimm6626]

I don't think so... Innocent or not, the way he treated this as a "weird rumor" has still left a sour taste in my mouth... I've seen lots of allegations toward idols and all of it were quickly handled by the company etc... There's a reason why so many people believe he's guilty. Personally, there's no police investigation nor clear evidence yet so I can't side with anyone but I still hate how badly he handled this....idk how to explain

[@lilydrimm6626]

@@mykitten6774 I'm also curious of where the "woojin got blacklisted" thing came from...

[@samtruongg]

and all the people who destroyed everything is going to regret it

[@nathanroman6513]

"I saw a lot of comments saying all Koreans are racist" I'm a South African living in SK and I can't say all Koreans are racist but a vast majority definitely are. The pandemic has made it worse. I've been here for less that two months and I've been called the n word, told to go back to where I come from, people walk away when I stop at a pedestrian crossing waiting to cross the road because they don't want to stand next to me, people will get up and change seats if I sit next to them on the subway, people have refused to serve me at two Korean chain restaurants and there are so many more incidents I can talk about but I'd say racism in this country is a HUGE problem and it's something that needs to be spoken about and dealt with.

[@milili27]

My goodness...stay strong. ❤️

[@NYX8Kon]

Oh no D: thats horrible

[@sushi_stan]

My aunt had the same experience, we are not black but we are white, so yeah, people can be racist in Korea

[@KD_channe-l17]

Stay strong sir 💪 🙏 ❤️ . God's always with us. Sometimes devil wore the beauty of a goddess but the truth prevail in the end.

[@roter13]

When I lived in Korea I always had a hard time getting a cab when I wasn't with a Korean person. They would see me and drive away. All of my Korean friends are ones that are majorly westernized in their approach to life.

[@tierdevi4438]

Honestly, the rumors about him bullying Stray Kids and palming himself during Itzy’s performance are absolutely moronic. People think it’s smart to rip out certain clips from Stray Kids videos just to make it seem like Woojin did them intentionally? It’s not. Taking those clips out of context and over analyzing them doesn’t prove anything. The actual videos themselves aren’t even evidence. Unless there was an official statement from JYPE or Stray Kids themselves, the bullying rumors will forever be rumors. Do people really undermine Chan’s ability as a leader? He waited seven years to debut, he would not mess around especially when it comes to the person he picked to be a part of the group in the first place. He’s not an oblivious guy. If he’s so quick to pick up on what Stays or people say about them, then he’s definitely as quick to put an end to Woojin’s bullying if it really did happen. Chan may have had respect for Woojin, but he does not seem like the type of person to let bullying of all things slide. As for the palming thing, do people not realize that all of the boys knew that they were being filmed for the episode? If Woojin knew he was being filmed, why would he even try to touch himself when there were people all around him? Not only that, but the hand everyone saw wasn’t even close to or on his crotch. It was on his LEG. Staff or Stray Kids themselves would have told him to stop if he did palm himself, and I highly doubt JYP would even let the episode broadcast upon the final review of it had they missed it.

[@exozrian4101]

I'm glad that there's still people who doesn't believe in those cropped clips... Btw I have argue with some people on IG, but they answer me like "bro did u expect jyp obviously to openly say oh yeah we had a rapist and bully in the company but don't worry we've kicked him out now. use your common sense.".... and your point about Bang Chan is absolutly RIGHT... I don't think that he will let such thing to happen in his group...

[@jka_park4045]

Also that was hyunjin hands, and i am so glad that there are still people who thinks logically. Tysm

[@Ayuhwkq]

Thinking about the second thing you said, yeah.

[@mnaysmn1253]

Glad i read this one. I totally agree! Every episodes of any shows in korean industry going through various kind of edit process before those being released to the public. Why would they wanted to release/ take such part👁👄👁

[@blove9258]

I dont get people sometimes.....people were so quick to trust people who have disappeared from the scene....and left people in confusion..."The victims" are now suddenly silent and disappeared after living such a deadly bomb....that can destroy someone else's life.

[@leannm217]

A victim coming forth should be listened to & supported. The problem with this case is people have NO IDEA who they are supporting or who the victim is. You could be supporting some delusional sasaeng, or a bored person trolling all of Twitter laughing their asses off at the chaos they caused. His alleged phone number was released and people called this number to the point the phone service needed to be deactivated. Someone was harassed relentlessly and who knows who's phone number it really was. I am all for giving victims a voice, but refuse to victimize another person without having ALL the facts.

[@peonylarkspur645]

🙏🏼

[@phantoml881]

people who make false sexual assault allegations should receive the exact same punishment that dude would of received for sexual assault, these false allegations hurt real victims of sexual assault and destroy lives of the guys being falsely accused such as losing their jobs, friends, reputation and are unlikely to find work again. To falsely accuse somebody of such a disgusting crime takes a truly evil and horrible person. This is unfortunately becoming a trend in kpop were anti fans who really hate and dislike a certain group will accuse a member of sexual assault on a throwaway account then delete their account when it starts gaining traction, i hope woojin's company stays true to their word and files a lawsuit against this person for defamation and sets a precedent here in the industry, that if you make evil false allegations then you will be fully held accountable, these false allegations hurt real victims of sexual assault and hurt the innocent men being accused who lose friends, family, their careers, brand deals, reputation etc. These accusations also hurt the fellow members of a group and their agency as a whole and brother and sister groups in that agency. People these days automatically assume the person making the accusation is telling the truth without any proof what so ever, i remember when this happened to ronaldo the football player and there was an idiot on the show Good morning britain saying he should be kicked off the team and fined and should lose his brand deals when there was literally no proof what so ever and it was just a baseless accusation and thankfully the person was proved to be lying. People these days instead of waiting for an investigation to take place to investigate the allegations instantly start trying to cancel the man and get his sponsorships and brand deals cancelled and such, it is horrible.

[@Always4Bangtan]

NICELY said. 💜

[@kaitej5061]

very well said. I just hoped woojin did thisnthinking before he posted words that might ruin him. I mean, it could be just misunderstanding... little grammars can be crucial. I guess he's being stupid too... anyway, I am too, ready to support the victim... as long as ALL facts come forth.

[@shekimarobinson9286]

but it's always like that, you never know who you're really defending, I have defended close family members for things that they actually did and I thought they could never do, that's why being neutral and examining proofs is THE key not just believing whoever just because, I've had to become immune to tears, feelings and even kin relationships, you never know ppl really

[@reyminie9547]

The "always side with the victim" thing doesn't mean ruin the person they accused without proper investigation. You can seek justice for the victim without immediately throwing someone under the bus. I saw this go down on twitter as it was happening with the 'side with the victim' mentality overshaddowing how suspicious the account was. It seemed like they were playing, tweeting in a short and vague way not even saying woojin's name on the get go. I'm not saying that these claims shouldn't be taken seriously. They should that's why it should be properly investigated not a sudden witch hunt. At this point it's woojin who seems like the victim (tho him leaving jype reeks of fish)

[@north6417]

kstays have been saying for a while that they've had recurring rumors that he was forced to leave in Oct. 2019 after getting caught going to nightlife places like hostess bars or shady nightclubs. It's not against the law, but it is against company rules. It doesn't really make Woojin look any better knowing that kstays see him as someone who lied to his company and group, but simply going clubbing or to seedy bars doesn't mean he's prone to be an actual abusive criminal either.

[@-untcuchable.mp4268]

@@north6417 or maybe he's actually depressed. he seems really disinterested in some of the videos i've seen him, and he seems sad? that's probably the reason why he goes to clubs idk it's just a hunch, this is probably not true.

[@shineeshome]

Same I refused to believe anyone without any proof.l

[@peaches5682]

no for real just imagine it all being fake. just imagine. nobody's gonna apologize but woojin's life is already ruined whether he innocent or not. i just hope he's strong enough because some people can't handle this much pressure and hate

[@brennathecatlover4360]

The account of the victim looked like it was just quickly made a few seconds before they posted it

[@sunshinetae6799]

2020 is so weird.. Everyone and everything is getting cancelled.. Except for covid 19😭

[@manamochi2020]

Cuz covid came out on 2019 😂 so we have to reverse time to cancel that STUPID VIRUS

[@stuffiek7466]

@Sunshine Tae, I know right.

[@user-c3jdf9lylzse]

People just type "cancel" on the internet when in reality most of the time it doesnt do jack shit

[@Nope-eu9od]

ᅵ so true! I second this comment

[@saharynajasmiran2485]

omg you got me right there 🤣🤣

[@turquoise2332]

Tbh I feel like people would have been more open to possibilities with the whole woojin situation if he gave a more well thought out statement. Like even if the entire thing was untrue, people r still going to think of him in a bad light cuz of that statement

[@namikizuna4530]

Exactly. Regardless of whether he assaulted anyone or not he handled the situation extremely poorly.

[@annab8971]

@Pain lol "bro, that didn't happen. Stream my music when it comes out."

[@maheshpun4804]

@@marlenerosario5538 What apology, he said he's innocent.

[@ananya1541]

@@marlenerosario5538 I actually completely agree with you. You put it into words better

[@polarwantstosleep2170]

I'm glad to know that there's still some cool-headed people while this whole controversy is still happening.

[@dewianjani8021]

If woojin allegation is proven wrong, the fans who had ripped the merch and pics of woojin will cry in blood.

[@marlene042044]

true tho

[@MeowQueen-t2d]

Especially those persons who posted a video about them ripping off his picture and thinks they look cool wit it . I'm like 👁️👄👁️

[@-mayanvsszn]

Aw man, they gon' be mad 😂

[@thanhsanmina200112]

if i were them, i would've put the merch and pics up for sale. why burn something you paid for?

[@MeowQueen-t2d]

their AUDACITY 👁️👄👁️

[@barbaro267]

What I hate about the Woojin controversy is that youtubers immediately jumped on the "he's guilty" bandwagon by making videos that were about how Woojin was always a bad seed around his former group members. These youtubers truly believe in "guilty until proven innocent", and simply didn't bother waiting for an actual investigation to happen. I don't know who Woojin is, but I know that a man's life can easily be ruined by the rumors of a woman. It happens all the time. Once someone calls you a rapist, suddenly you can't find work and you lose your reputation in an instant. Even if the court finds you innocent, no one will look at you the same way. Your life can be essentially ruined by a rumor, which makes rumors a very powerful weapon. I don't care if Woojin is innocent or not. I just want people to believe in facts, not here-say. Let justice be served, so wait for an official investigation to be done before you decide one way or another.

[@north6417]

Most of those youtubers never cared about Stray Kids or Woojin in the first place, they're just looking for clout and clicks off of the situation with lazy effort and don't care about anything else, including the original allegations of sexual harassment.

[@produsultana]

bro i am still getting recommendations from youtubers like 'everything wrong with woojin', 'woojin being problamatic', 'we should have known already', ' woojin being a bully' and etc etc.. like bruh!! which judge attorney were you and of which court's that yall already made a decision.

[@em680]

@@produsultana I just reported all those videos lmao

[@moonbinisaghostiemermaidpr4950]

Okay- I just have to say. As a person who is victim of rape, I side with victims, and I do understand why she would post anonymously. ----But the thing here is that I have seen so many people fake these types of things. I have met people who have lied about being sexual assaulted and ITS NOT FAIR TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN SEVERELY ABUSED. The chances of this claim being fake is high especially since the claim is towards a celebrity that fans probably would've felt betrayed with. THESE FAKE ASSUMPTIONS RUIN IT FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME. YALL WANNA TAKE SIDES BUT IF THIS TURNS OUT FAKE HOW DO YOU THINK I OR OTHER PEOPLE WHO WERE SEXUALLY ASSAULTED OR RAPED WILL FEEL? Now when someone gets assaulted there is always this chance of them lying and it is disgusting and ruining it for us. Luckily, people believed me, and I got help and counseling. But I have met people where it took them weeks to show that this happened. Two people had to take it to court which lasted like a year. People dont realize that fake claims do more harm than good. So dont believe everything you hear. -In my opinion, I am not going to ruin someones career and life based on these allegations. Just letting you guys know that if this doesn't get taken to the police after all this, it is completely false. She now has credibility, but if she doesn't take it to the police or if there isn't an investigation, then THAT MEANS IT WAS A FAKE CLAIM. (let me be specific and say in this case I will believe it to be a fake claim until something is proved. This persons anonomyous and posting about a celebrity, so it needs to be investigated in order for it to be proven correct, in my opinion) y'all dont like to hear it, but look at people like Leonardo DiCaprio and many celebrities who have been falsely accused. Not to mention after this whole thing, people started accusing members of other idol groups. Honestly, how hard is it to stay neutral? You guys potentially ruined someones life and career. You guys dont know what the fuck happened. You dont know why he was kicked out of stray kids. And was he even kicked out? Like when this first happened, like a few months afterwards he was reportedly signing with a new company. So was he even blacklisted? Jesus

[@foxfireglo8290]

Well said

[@laurennn316]

I support you

[@Tranitosaur]

Exactly! I don't side with anyone though. I just stay neutral until anything gets solved by the people that are verified and not random people from the Internet with their "research" and "evidence". The "bully" theory is stupid in my opinion. Lots and lots of holes in it. No one has proof that he was blacklisted. JYP Ent only stated that Woojin left for personal reasons. There did not say he got kicked out and now is blacklisted.

[@ruchikachoudhury2032]

Truee

[@raerohan4241]

Preach. I've been telling people this as well, that fake claims harm the credibility of all sexual assault and rape cases, and that while it's not necessarily false, there's no proof that it's true - i.e. that it's too soon to take sides. But some people just want to cancel people while giving the excuse that "they're thinking of the victims of other cases like this." Um, that's great, but when those past victims also advocate neutrality, they ignore them at best or start accusing _them_ of lying about their past experiences at worst! Istg the hypocrisy is real with those people

[@mariemagdalena7570]

They start talking about Woojin case at 10:25

[@star8f1sh]

ty^^

[@kuchisakee4545]

Thank you I needed this T_T

[@cetriyasArtnComicsChannel]

The same way Koreans feel sensitve about japan imagery, hope more understand why people of color are sensitive about certain imagery

[@merry_marshall]

Ikr. #CancelRacism

[@monimuppet6132]

I bet they won't. They'll just give us the "it's different" rhetoric and continue with their willful ignorance.

[@patwhw]

like what?

[@ednanzengrose2426]

@@patwhw the traitor flag, the nword, blackface, cultural apropiation, misogynoir, sexism and misogyny, tokenism, colorism, and the list goes on

[@kimparkhartsjongin-chanyeo3507]

I just commented about how they retaliated towards Sam w horrible racist comments (as a way to defend being called/referred to as racist, oh the irony😩) and now this. They only economically booming bcz of foreigners

[@lyonghase4201]

I staying neutral , but those Anti-Woojin are just way too much..

[@EveWithTheLyn]

True anti's are just too much, and same imma stay neutral😔👌

[@thekakagirl6213]

True some people want him to die instead of going to jail and it's just exaggerating.. like 🤦‍♀️

[@produsultana]

same.. i m staying neutral here

[@loo-ssemble]

Me too, so much false information being passed around. Kinda breaks my heart to see people making up things for naive people to believe and cancel woojin with

[@kimseokjin4772]

Same. I just KNOW that someone lied about Woojin bullying, sexually harassing, and etc to cause more confusion. Doesn’t make sense that once one of the victims (if they even are victims) started telling their story, more random rumors started popping out. It’s weird. And the disgusting fact is that people breathed in every single one of those rumors, without hesitation. They didn’t even wait for more information. These are literally toxic STAYs right now: “Oh, Woojin sexually assaulted IN? Even if that sounds like complete bullshit, and there is barely evidence to prove it happened, and we could be ruining a innocent man’s life, who gives a shit? Let’s start feeding into these rumors, and stop putting our concerns on the original accusation!”

[@starrygrimes500]

I literally can’t take sides on the woojin situation because they’re both just making shit up lmfaoo. woojins statement was not good or thought out but the rumours kpop stans are making up are absurd.

[@xy1784]

I also don't want to take sides because I want to wait for confirmed information. Edit: I just deleted the last part of this comment since it kinda sounded as if that you should believe one or the other without having proper evidence which wasn't my intention at all :)

[@starrygrimes500]

Anna-Sophia you don’t really have to believe anyone though. there is no proof or evidence whatsoever from either side so...

[@xy1784]

@@starrygrimes500 true- I just rephrased my comment because it was indicating that I believe one or the other side (which I don't), I hope it makes more sense now :)

[@beryllium420]

if he was completely innocent he wouldn't have made a fake company to prove his 'innocence'. he also wouldn't get kicked out of jyp for no reason.

[@SassyHamburger]

those losers on twitter making up even bigger accusations after another to see who can get the most clout/attention and taking the spotlight away from the first (probably REAL) victim .. honestly, disappointing. Twitter literally helped Woojin get away with everything. No court would take this case serious .. just one giant "he said, she said" now ... SMH

[@kyungsoo]

had to keep rewinding cuz i kept getting distracted by David's pixelating hair (:

[@shineelove15]

💯😂

[@marie370]

Mood

[@anishaganguly1440]

Me too😂😂

[@mybiases0688]

I mean no harm, I think his hair is like kpop artists back in 1990 early 2000's. Like H.O.T,G.O.D

[@renflower1910]

I got distracted by that too lol

[@nikking05]

David’s analogy about the picture is me basically overthinking my whole life.

[@JoZeeBB]

DED. This literally made me chuckle out loud. 🤣🤣🤣 hope you find some inner peace 💜

[@richardyoingco4248]

i know... it's borderline delulu... but it's funny sometimes...

[@ijustsideeyedyou4716]

#rip danny's ears😂😂😂

[@rukaiyaabbas8930]

Me after watching so many kdramas

[@someonenotsomeone8450]

me wondering if that person I saw that one time at Mcdonalds and locked eyes with for 0.000003 seconds hates me somehow.

[@something_burger]

I have to say, I'm kind of guilty for getting caught up in the hate train towards Woojin. I haven't sent him hate or invaded his privacy in any way, I haven't contributed to any of the ridiculous rumours floating around (of him bullying SKZ members and stuff,) I haven't even treated him being an assaulter as anything more than what it is - an allegation. But because virtually everyone's gone and decided that he's a bad person, one way or another, it was pretty easy for me to get swept up in that. So many people getting themselves involved in this case are handling it so terribly. People are treating Woojin just as badly as he allegedly treated that woman. Now I won't deny that there is something fishy about Woojin and that I completely understand why Stays would want to avoid him for awhile, but the truth is, we really don't know anything. Neither side has provided any concrete evidence to prove whether the allegations are true or false. Woojin's statement is pretty terrible, the company is doing a terrible job at defending him, and there are some things that still don't quite add up to me (e.g. how did Woojin go from a Big 3 company to a brand-new company no one's ever heard of?), but I'm doing my best to avoid coming to any conclusions UNTIL some form of game-changing evidence comes out. To anyone else who's following this case, I think the best thing you can do is to just wait and see how it all unfolds. We have no idea what really went down, we don't even know for certain if Woojin is blacklisted or if he's done anything really bad at all, and I know how tempting it is to side against him because of how poorly he's handling all of this (trust me, I'm still struggling with that too.) But please at least allow some benefit of the doubt. This could be a perfectly innocent man here who's having his life ruined and all his career opportunities blown to smithereens for absolutely nothing. If the accuser is lying, then it's not just a little white lie - it's a big lie with big consequences.

[@RaihannaJallow]

Exactly my thoughts The fact that it sometimes crosses my mind that there is a possibility he might be innocent scares me... because if he is, then his life and career is ruined... He might have been kicked out of JYP or maybe left on his own🤷🏾‍♀️ Or might have decided to do solo music or probably did something bad...damn we just don't know so I hope people stop hating for now and see if the victim really goes forward with this and maybe then more facts will be revealed.

[@BramLastname]

@@RaihannaJallow he was definitely kicked out, The only reason that the official statements say he resigned Is so they didn't have to explain it to the press. If he had resigned of his own volition Then there'd be no reason to postpone any and all content he was in, Including a complete re-edit of their MV. He could've simply waited a few more days And assure fans that JYP will always be open to take him back into their care. However the fact that they postponed all of the previously announced scheduled content for Stray Kids Just because one member was planning to announce that they were leaving Is a dead giveaway that there's more going on behind the scenes.

[@BramLastname]

I mean Woojin wasn't getting in any reputable company after Stray Kids, But it is a bit fishy that there's never been an explanation for that, As such it's not unreasonable to consider the first victim's case. Which needs to be proven first, Otherwise copycats will just make the case more convoluted than it has any right to be, Eventually making the crime expire.

[@lapis9243]

yeah, same. at first i tried to stay unbiased but because of the "fake company" or whatever, i failed to. not saying that it's not my fault i'm biased though, because it definitely is. i feel bad tbh.

[@something_burger]

@@lapis9243 I can relate. I think it's very difficult to stay unbiased in this situation, especially if you're a Stay - every Stay I know is completely against him, I know a lot of people who've already destroyed their merch... And honestly I don't blame people for initially believing the company was fake, it did show up in very strange and suspicious circumstances and it's painfully unprofessional in the way it does things (though I guess you could chalk that up to it being a brand-new company.) I hate that people are being demonised for taking a neutral stance on this because so much information out there is unconfirmed, if not outright fake, and when you look at the few confirmed facts out there, there really isn't enough to go off. It's still far too early to take sides because we don't know whether or not Woojin sexually assaulted anyone, we don't know the exact reason why he left Stray Kids (and that information may not even be relevant in the end; besides, I doubt we're ever going to know anytime soon.) Being neutral is the best you can do right now because it really could go both ways. Whether Woojin really did do these things or the accuser lied about it to ruin his reputation or even just for shits and giggles, it's going to suck either way. It's looking real bad for Woojin right now and it'd be awful if he was innocent all along and had to endure all of this madness for nothing.

[@angeljoyce11]

Honestly, I think the #CancelKorea was too generalizing. We should #CancelRacism. As a Filipino myself, I know how some of my fellow country men can be racist even towards our own. Not every single koreans are racist although there have been cases where Filipinos were used as insult and mocked in Korean TV since years ago which is probably why some Filipinos were sensitive about it. I'm not gonna take that away from them, it is their right to call it out however again, we can't blame a country for the fault of a few. However, I am glad that it created the conversation. Let us #CancelRacism all. Let's love each other.

[@fatoumataceesay8007]

It’s sad..but the thing is..I’ve seen and heard a lot of times that it’s not just fillipine ...Thai people have also experienced a lot of hate from Koreans...a Thai friend of mine once told me that Koreans feel superior ...so they look down on Vietnam,Thailand and the Philipine calling them slaves and uncivilized...that honestly shocked me and made me so sad...it’s needs to change...as those countries are beautiful countries..

[@BiGSmoke-.-]

South Koreans are being extremely hypocritical here. When it came to Sam Okyere being upset about blackface, they had every excuse for being disrespectful to him and black people. They said how can you expect South Koreans to know about another country's history. And when Sam said let me educate you, they said he shouldn't have used the word educate. But when I watch this video. Almost all the Koreans expect the Philippines should know about South Korea's history with Japan. And are angry at them for not knowing it. And some of the Koreans use the word educate and not educated in this video. Their true colors are showing. They only understand and care about things when the shoe is on their foot. But not when it's on someone else's.

[@fatoumataceesay8007]

BiG Smoke just my thoughts

[@wonhoscake1214]

Marj Miranda Im just annoyed how some Filipinos think you can fight racism with racism, I’ve seen a lot of Filipino comments on Korean creators’s videos saying racist things

[@marioprawirosudiro7301]

Yes, forgiveness is hard, but in the end, if we want to move forward, we must do it. I commend you on your decision and your forgiving heart. 👍

[@나나바-x1r]

I can’t stand people who use he said-she said information as evidence. I like the evidence that’s been pointed out & provided in this video.

[@ruja8511]

I'm kinda feeling really sorry for the first person who came out. The second one was the one who stole the picture but the credibility of the first one went down too even if they didn't do that.

[@happyhappy-po6fm]

How many people came out to talk about woojin? Do you know the Twitter account of the first person?

[@ruja8511]

​@@happyhappy-po6fm I kinda lost overview of the accounts. After the first one came out many followed in a span of a few days who accused different idols. Many were exposed as false so I don't really wanna mention their name here (I'm not sure about everyone tho). It was a big mess but about woojin I only know about those two. The first one was deactivated after a few hours and their @ was a1b3c4s9. But you can put the @ in the twt searchbar. Other have screenrecorded the whole thread.

[@happyhappy-po6fm]

@@ruja8511 thank you. .

[@isabeladantas9001]

What was the timespan between the first and second victims' tweets? Were they posted in the same day?

[@ruja8511]

@@isabeladantas9001 I'm not sure since both accs are deactivated and I didn't found someone yet who screenshotted both. So I'm kinda lost because of the different timezones when I looked it up right now. But I'm gonna search and reply later when I find out.

[@redmgl3371]

Sorry, but the accusations against Woojin are just getting absurd. People need to stop taking sides in this case and should really learn from the KHJ's case a few years back. Until there is no police investigation, people should just stop hating. You never know, that person may start hurting himself/herself because of your baseless words.

[@mariahrichardson650]

Whos khj?

[@redmgl3371]

@@mariahrichardson650 It's Kim Hyun Joong, his ex-girlfriend accused him of assault and coercion of abortion. She released a few pictures and literally destroyed Kim Hyun Joong's image in the industry. A few years after KHJ was actually proven innocent in court and his ex was not able to prove her accusations legally. The sad thing is, he was not able to regain his image. His recent drama performed so bad in Korea and he's now more active overseas.

[@Milo-pt1nm]

@@redmgl3371 is he the male lead in playfull kiss??

[@redmgl3371]

@@Milo-pt1nm Yes he is!

[@redmgl3371]

@@sarar4270 Nope he didn't. Are you just here to comment without watching the video? The entertainment agency has provided documents that they are indeed registered in Korea. Just so you know, there is a government agency which processes company registrations and 10x entertainment is legit. This makes me look like Im siding with Woojin but I'm literally not. I'm siding with no one and just mentioning FACTS. People over the internet keep on accusing others without proper research. Stop ruining other people's lives because of baseless accusations.

[@ayannadixon3630]

I just find it interesting that you can have some Korean citizens who get extremely pressed by someones tattoo and made huge criticisms about Filipinos. However, they can't find an issue with the continued usage of blackface and some boarder line culture appropriation in Korea.....

[@ashleighcalloway886]

This. I'm dont want to invalidate Korean people's feeling of being upset about the rising sun flag. But at the same time it seems a tad bit hypocritical because this same situation happens in reverse when black people tried to call out black face

[@kit-katred6776]

I 'm watching this and thinking the same thing. They come strong if someone or something "makes them looks bad" but they don't look in their own backyard. They think that the world should know what they went through but they don't want to learn what other races went through before they past judgement on them.

[@Mimi-mq2wj]

●the resemblance was such a REACHHHHH. ● they forget japan has done some shit to the Philippines ● reminds me of when tanjiros earrings was considered the IMPERIAL flg. it was disproving and it was just a flower or when SOMEONE wore a RED AND WHITE DRESS💀💀💀 ● there's barely an anti koean sentiment lmaoooo

[@matthewtenorioduenas202]

Ayanna Dixon hey I’m filipino and there’s also problems of blackface in my coutry but isn’t always brought up

[@Therealtazangel]

Exactlyyy. I literally seen a comment from a Korean person saying black people have no right to be upset over black face. (This was because of the whole Sam situation) and they were telling him to go back to his country. But if I said the same thing about the rising sun flag I think their whole damn world would end 🥴

[@areualexa]

Philippines is one of the top countries heavily influenced by Korean culture. From entertainment, music and cuisine. As a Filipina myself, I do love Korea. It's just upsetting to me how people (whether Korean or Filipino) seem to put each other on a negative light. Don't fight fire with fire. Empowering your country shouldn't involve degrading the other.

[@sophiaperiii1483]

Period

[@hooman5643]

I agree

[@nolongerhuman7703]

Yes!!

[@lynpascua7616]

Ewan ko sinyo...ako pilipino pero hindi obsessed s kpop....ni wala nga kayo maintindihan s mga kanta nila....

[@hooman5643]

@@lynpascua7616 pero gustong gusto ng mga pilipino na pinupiri ng mga foreigners yung sa ating kanta. para namang naiintindihan din nila✌ we like our egos to be pat by other nation but we can't respect others✌ real talk real talk

[@paislife]

When filipino internet trolls and korean internet trolls interact, it's crazy

[@AH-ve5um]

That’s the collab no one needs 😂

[@kaitej5061]

yes. i saw a looooOoot of memes from my country (im from PH) and its super lit like I could eat tons of popcorn.

[@spearmoonie]

@@kaitej5061 yanga 'e it's funny asf cuz there's an issue but all they did was throw insults back and fort, taena.

[@lalrinpuiiralte3712]

Both countries are the most active too on social media haha

[@ai-tn5wd]

Both VERY VERY TOXIC ✨

[@chuchar5581]

Wow. Finally, a rational discussiom about the situation. As a member of the legal profession, I would like to say thank you.

[@aaangelahhhello8466]

Okie but why does Danny’s hair look like Kenma TT

[@kavya3292]

aaangela hhhello omg yesss

[@helloisitmeurlookingfor5898]

alternate universe????😳😳

[@oldraisin210]

And David lowkey looks like Daichi uwu

[@ilive4anime.]

He is kenma. Got tired of all the volleyballs to hinatas face.

[@D.7458]

😂😂

[@cutieboy24]

These days innocent until proven guilty seems like such a crazy concept to some people. The accusation is very serious, it is wise to wait for enough concrete evidences and actual proofs before jumping straight to the conclusion. I'm not even a FAN fan of him or Stray Kids' but I would be pissed if someone pulled this kinda shit with my idol when i was younger lol

[@renflower1910]

Same! It’s weird ppl rather go backwards and go with guilty until proven innocent

[@j.r.2674]

Notice how you suddenly don’t see many to NO comments calling out Woojin in the top comments, and accusing him because now they are unsure. I’m not saying he’s innocent of course but it just makes zero sense as to why people don’t question anything and fall into just following what the majority say. That’s a problem within K-Pop industry and society, being neutral is just the best choice in situations like these. You don’t hurt anyone.

[@vivtynio3446]

Is this woojin thing is really a case now? I mean someone mentioned a victim? So they report him to police or something?

[@tyrannasparx]

Not surprising. Kpop Twitter is inundated with young fans. They tend to be heavily idealistic and lack the nuance of judging a tricky situation like this. It's dangerous, internet in the hands of young people, most of whom still live very sheltered lives.

[@gwyn7327]

yeah the thing is we can support women who are speaking up about their experience without accusing someone immediately and attacking someone especially when it could damage their careers/life

[@justdavid_92]

The point of my delulu scenario (which I know is delulu) is that not a single possibility should be excluded until something is really proved. Thus I would have liked to have refrained from using affirmative words such as 'fake' and would have rather preferred using, 'high chance of being fake'. Innocent until proven guilty = Victim until proven innocent. +for people who don't get my delulu scenario, just for entertainment purposes and to prove that I'm heavily addicted with kdramas here is my novel: 1) Victim gets assaulted. Is scared to take any action. Only evidence was that pic she had. She sends the pic for counseling [to a friend, a lawyer, or maybe woojin himself, (if they exchanged numbers) or so, whatever...] to verify whether it could be used as proof (or to claim she has proof). = just saying once a pic is uploaded via chat or any kind of community/internet it has a high possibility of being spread/leaked 2) W* thinks smart and acquires/bribes a random dude as an alibi and requests him to post it on his account before the victim thinks of(or has the courage to) even revealing it online. 3) Victim doesn't know that fact, goes on with her claims afterwards. 4) W* trying to put a nail on the coffin makes another 'credible' alibi, joins(establishes) something that 'seems like' a legit company and uses it to his advantage (established in 2020). -> House of Cards + Kdramas lol -> you never know what happens BTS in politics, entertainment industry Thank you for reading my novel. Again I'm not taking any sides. -Delulu David + update) I have seen the post from the actual bar owner coming out saying that WJ wasnt there, showing the original pic(non-cropped ver.)

[@miakayuki1068]

The man with the gray shirt represent annoying ignorant ones you talk to even you explain what you want to said the best you could. In the end it will not importance your thoughts so you will loose confidence and stop talking because you worry you will waste your saliva because you know he thinks hes the one will end up always right and make you fill what you say is not important and nonsense even you have a point

[@ysfr]

that's actually not possible since the man on the instagram confirmed that it was not woojin in the pic. He posted another longer version of the photo. So yeah, the pic wasn't woojin's but it's also not an evidence that's posted by the first original poster.

[@shamkand]

Yes, if it would be a random guy accused, I would believe her easily (she would have nothing to gain from going public), but when it's someone that is well known, there are multiple layers, people can do this from hate, or to get money, or attention... Being known (an idol/actor/someone famous) and assaulting someone in public with witnesses sounds like such a lie. :)

[@justdavid_92]

​@@ysfr mentioned that in my last sentence. +my 'delulu novel' would still stand if the person was bribed. but hey as i said its NOT what I THINK or am trying to say lol. im just hypothetically and fictionally speaking that it COULD happen. nothing more than that. im not on any side of this.

[@matildataylor9164]

Actually it doesn't make sense because that picture is so random it could be anyone wearing that hoodie it could be even a girl so W paying someone because he's concerned about a picture that could show anyone doesn't really make sense and I don't think that a girl who got sexually assaulted would send a 'proof' to random people but just friends who she really trust and your scenario would mean one of her trusted friends betrayed her. I don't think W brieb someone because of a vague photo cause that person could also betray him causing more trouble for him. But I get your point you don't want to jump to conclusions.

[@hijiri0794]

The one thing, that i can say to the woojin situation is that people take everything at face value and don't question anything ... scientists are right that human IQ is decreasing. And the funny thing about it is that people use twitter as a source of their knowledge, where everything and everyone can tell the most fantastic fairy tales and lies ... well done humanity that really takes you further.

[@kimseokjin4772]

@@pinkaengelz For real 😩 most of the people I argue with don’t even care about getting justice, they just hate Woojin. I tell them to stay neutral, but then they tell me to fuck off and try to pathetically convince me that all these rumors are true. Arguing with Toxic STAYs is like arguing with my ignorant dad. They never even try to look at my proof, they think that they are right-end of discussion.

[@Loey_Exo9]

I'm a stay don't hate Woojin and don't approve of people bullying him and sending him death threats and I like your profile pic moa!

[@myself7232]

hearing him in his live on Instagram , telling us that he tried to deal with anxiety, he was not able to sleep anymore cause of the rumors... it hurts. it's painful, it's so damn painful. he handled this very well and tried to overcome all of the insults he was and he's still receiving. he's a strong person... hw can u guys ruin his hard wrk and his whole life? anyways... sometimes im scared woojin wont hang on to life anymore. 🙁 #woojinisbae 🐻💘 #toxicstays 🤮🤡🤺🧍

[@itssseugene1501]

David: THATS NOT MY OPINION Danny: *having the time of his life, laughing*

[@10xentertainment36]

Kim Woojin 'Going To Jail' Official MV (Feat Shin Jimin) Is Out! kzbin.info/www/bejne/mV6QfWdoaLRkbZo

[@annegellyne201]

If woojin is infact innocent then this will end up like the Wonho issue, Defamation, and all the people that made up shit about him and sent him death threats can be sued because they are an accessory to a crime Libel or Defamation is a crime thats taken very seriously in korea. You can go to jail for 2 year(at a minimum) and be fined 100M won(at a minimum) for small cases and people can even go to jail for 7 years(at an average) and be fined 500M won(at an average) (Jail time and fine can go way higher depending on how bad the situation is) I feel like they take everything he does and turn it against him. Imagine if this was another member (emphasis: IMAGINE) Like for example (emphasis: EXAMPLE) Lee know or Seungmin (they are my babies so dont come at me okay). What if this issue was about lee know, people would say "Well thats why hyunjin is so scared of him", "thats why he is so violent" and other shit. Or what if it was about seungmin, then people would say "WHY DID YOU DO THAT TO IN!!! YOU MONSTER" or "Thats why he always bullies IN" LIKE BISH LET THEM LIVE!! ITS LIKE EVERY SINGLE THING HE DOES IS TURNED AGAINST HIM THEY ARE FRIENDS, THEY JOKE AROUND, STOP TAKING EVERYTHING SO SERIOUSLY (Im not defending woojin but this fuckery and these people's toxic mindset needs to stop)

[@amandaau9830]

PREACH ✊

[@alanasgf]

Your so right!

[@lilegg301]

woojin treating his members like shit is probably just an assumption. if it's not then of course, I will believe the victims, but no one has come out with that YET. fans never said anything about it until now? why... because he's now a sexual assaulter supposedly? the main problem is that IF he ACTUALLY did assault the victims, them bringing up shit that no one accused him of like bullying kinda distracts people of what the main problem actually is. extremely annoying. both sides are suspicious as hell, the victim and woojin. woojin created some fake ass company lol and she came up with fake ass evidence. woojin probably just has 1 dying brain cell left and came up with this stupid idea after he got threatened with this but he should've just shut his mouth bc if he waited a little longer they'd see her picture was taken off some random dude and he'd look completely innocent.

[@Twizzylul]

@@lilegg301 did u not watch the video the company is in fact real and they have paper work

[@theamazingnarku]

In my whole irrelevant opinion I did not jump on the bandwagon. Because I as an American already know how celebrities get target for this exact situations. Where there are even more evidence and they end up being false. Its extremely hard to believe a random account with no type of evidence. Or even any time spent making the account as credibility. Because there is no way to valid or invalid the claims. If this person atleast had an account that they had for a year (for example). I would be like oh okay! They are expressing their self and they are putting their account on the line. I really want to believe the “victim” because its hard to fight a case with no evidence. However there are so many messed up people out here. It just sucks how un-credible their claim became... Also I dont think Woojin abused the members but he definitely has been shown to not be gentle as expected. Which I can not say much about because some people are alittle too aggressive. Which doesnt make it ok but it doesnt mean they abuse their friends. I just hope that this dont end badly for the “victim” or woojin because this can not be solved.

[@MingukFilms]

I’m gonna say it: JYP was irresponsible for not saying the reason why he left the company! If he is a bad person, society deserves to know! As a girl, I would want to know if this guy is respectful or if he assaults women in bars on in a company.... if the reason had been revealed, it would’ve been better for everyone!!! If it wasn’t something bad, no one would be questioning his character right now! JYP should speak up!!!

[@camilacoeuillet]

Minguk Films PERIOD

[@moonbinisaghostiemermaidpr4950]

AGREED

[@vaniagarcia1455]

Maybe it was for personal reasons, we really don't know and maybe we probably won't

[@kwory5153]

I mean... it will ruin skz reputation at that time, and it’s for sure something bad jype lost a lot of money when he left and skz member overworked, plus generally an idol has a contract and can’t break that contract without legal action

[@solunaax7550]

It would've affect skz a lot esp. They are having a comeback that time

[@nick3805]

Finally someone who states FACTs and actually PROVES what hes saying!

[@puteribalqis1925]

I’m honestly surprised to hear the fact that the pic posted on Twitter was fabricated, and that the company was created on July, a month before the tweet - definitely not some of the things that went “viral”. I’m not siding on woojin but just like how some people are defending many other idols using the “they’re innocent until proven guilty”, I don’t think it’s fair to literally pull him down over something without proper receipts. Then again, if he does did all the terrible things mentioned, actions need to be taken but if for instance, the accusations are made up, we should be more responsible to not quickly go for the “cancel culture” and ruin somebody else’s whole life like it’s not a big deal.

[@brennathecatlover4360]

Wasn’t the logo of his company taken from a furniture store?

[@sugaryseasalt527]

the original accusation didn’t include a picture. woojin is trying to debunk a claim made after the first one came out. also, idk where you got it but there are multiple pictures showing his company being created the day of the incident, as well as reasoning on how his company is complete bs

[@brennathecatlover4360]

binnsu # so u think his company is fake too?

[@brennathecatlover4360]

@@sugaryseasalt527 it was registered in July the company is actually real

[@sidiquerodney4982]

Nothing is adding up about 10X Entertainment. If they were established in July and signed him in August, then how would they have prevented Woojin from any outdoor activities in April as they claimed?

[@nicolehernandezmorales4006]

shit doesn't add up

[@Tina_Matamela_2002]

Exactly

[@raerohan4241]

Not defending him, but he could have been under a management contract. Such a contract is only between artist and manager, so a company is not necessary. They could have done that while making arrangements to form the company officially

[@joban3950]

@@raerohan4241 you right, I don't know how to explain it well in English (I am French) but when you are in the process of building a company a person can make some contract who will be "pass" to the company when all formalities will be done. You just need to mention that the person is signing in noun of "the company in registration process ". I don't know if it's clear😅😅

[@sidiquerodney4982]

@jeonghan x yoongi This is so strange and confusing, I'm so lost...

[@dani-ella2991]

I'm honestly neutral when it comes to allegations about idols. I usually don't believe things cause I've seen so many fake allegations so I trust evidence more which all people should. So when the woojin situation came out I didn't look at any hate videos or anything because people were clearly blowing things way out of proportion. Its also not my place to do anything but observe so please stop spreading negativity and let the authorities handle the case if it is true. This whole "cancel" thing is seriously out of hand, anyone will be a target even without evidence which is very scary to see. I also find it stupid how people say they "cancel" certain people when those people are still on the platform with many of fans. I'm glad I avoided the jump wagon of hate towards woojin. I only believe evidence and this victim clearly had none but words. What a sad world we live in seriously.

[@j.r.2674]

If we are being honest, even though you see all these posts and allegations they won’t hold up at all in court. If anything they are making the situation better than Woojin because they are making so many ridiculous allegations which make no sense. Too many people are followers who do what the majority do, this problem is slowly getting better but it’s still a very bad problem within the K-Pop industry and society in general. It’s better to stay neutral, but also question things, just don’t make allegations or accuse anyone.

[@buttertoast8613]

Same bro some people are fucking crazy jumping on the bandwagon without critical thinking if u question the victim or situation then ur called” omg are u victim blaming, u support a rapist” like calm the fuck down for me I will always listen to the victim but I won’t jump the bandwagon and come with pitch fork in hand against the accuser I will also wait for their rebuttal. If there isn’t a lot of outstanding evidence I will chill and take no sides in who is right. But unless there is hella evidenced them I’ll take their side in this situation both sides evidence and stuff were lacking so I just chose to sit and wait until more evidence comes to light. Fucking Christ do ppl not learn look what happend to mealanie Martinez when she got falsely accused her fans burned her shit and she fell of for 3 years. Same with Johnny depop he got accused of abuse and he lost his pirate of the Caribbean franchise that’s hundreds millions of dollars because ppl are so delusional and don’t wait for explanation or facts they just jump attack for a month then they don’t care and find something else to do its fucking insane

[@rkathing3976]

The amount of people jumping to conclusions..creating all sorts of videos for attention( i call it). The amount of people randomly commenting on his post....

[@my-vital-organs]

yes, I agree. People need to stop jumping to conclusions. When I first read what he did, I didn't really believe it right away. Of course, I have my doubts because I didn't really know the guy on a personal level so I couldn't judge him. I will admit that I didn't vibe with woojin when I first got into SKZ. But I also didn't vibe with seungmin and hyunjin. The only reason I've warmed up to them was because I've spent more time with them then I have with woojin. I don't defend him because i belive anyone can be capable of anything. Whether it be good or bad. But i also so accuse him of anything because the sources of the evidence on him assaulting women were a bit sus. But this is just my perspective of the situation.

[@myself7232]

hearing him in his live on Instagram , telling us that he tried to deal with anxiety, he was not able to sleep anymore cause of the rumors... it hurts. it's painful, it's so damn painful. he handled this very well and tried to overcome all of the insults he was and he's still receiving. he's a strong person... hw can u guys ruin his hard wrk and his whole life? anyways... sometimes im scared woojin wont hang on to life anymore. 🙁 #woojinisbae 🐻💘 #toxicstays 🤮🤡🤺🧍

[@jka_park4045]

It is so sad to see almost all the so called stays were so quick to hate him after this situation without even thinking logically because we all know there is no solid proof. They were saying "side with victim first" which i believe it is a good thing, because to speak out those words courageously is difficult but at the same time, we should know that anything can happen, those victim might also be "anti" who would go far to destroy someone's career. On the other side, there are so many stays who hates woojin now because of all the rumours about him bullying other members and what not. Many videos about him bullying, palming himself while watching a female dance, which we should all know that we cannot judge based on those edited videos. And yes, that was not his hands, it looked more like hyunjin, so watch that video properly. What i hate about this fandom is that,some of them never gave woojin even a chance, and think whether it was really true or not but were so quick to hate him as if they never liked him from the beginning. Also, they were standing on humanity by saying "Victim first" but at the same time, they were being hypocrite because many of them trolled him, made fun of his jail memes, sent him death threats and what not, it is so inhuman and so disgusting. All they could do was just to remain neutral. 💔 Also, go and check out out @josephinepark33 and @AmyLee77636233 if you use twitter, you would see that, those so called victims were actually from Brazilians and they fabricated it. PS: REPORT the fake 10x entertainment with 5 videos. The real one is woojin doing a dance cover. It's so sad that we live in a society where people are so quick to judge and spam hate everywhere. Those people will be responsible for woojin mentality state, and should be reported for cyber bullying. Always remember what happened to Sulli.

[@fandomhaterkpop4222]

Bruh and the said thing about I saw some army and carats trying to defend him damn the same thing happened to felix and other Koop they didn’t believe it but like damn how y’all believe woojin assault just because he left the group really like wow

[@Loey_Exo9]

@@karo-rc6fe not all of us stays are like that believe me I never believed any of the rumors I always wait for real evidence and I don't approve of the toxic stays hating on him and sending him death threats

[@myself7232]

hearing him in his live on Instagram , telling us that he tried to deal with anxiety, he was not able to sleep anymore cause of the rumors... it hurts. it's painful, it's so damn painful. he handled this very well and tried to overcome all of the insults he was and he's still receiving. he's a strong person... hw can u guys ruin his hard wrk and his whole life? anyways... sometimes im scared woojin wont hang on to life anymore. 🙁 #woojinisbae 🐻💘 #toxicstays 🤮🤡🤺🧍

[@Anthlocke]

David's fear of cancel culture causes him to go through these incredible mental gymnastics to avoid having an opinion on anything. I've noticed it in past videos too but for me this was really hard to watch. Props to Danny for sticking to his guns.

[@softfirefly474]

nah, David has always tried to see things on the bright side. This is what makes DKDKTV videos so interesting, they have very different ways of viewing things

[@NaFran49]

I thought it was terrible to. I wanted to ask him what's stopping anyone doing the same thing to them? I mean some anonymous account posting that they were assaulted by him and now the world thinks he's guilty and his life is destroyed? This kind of social media accusations are getting completely out of hand.

[@peaceful_chaos14]

Exactly. David was trying extremely hard to be politically correct instead of logically thinking it. These fake accusations against famous people could literally ruin their whole careers and lives, and poor Woojin's career hasn't even properly started yet. Plus when fans make these fake rumors so often, then the public is gonna start doubting REAL sexual assault victims.

[@lucyravenclaw1790]

OMG, thanks for this explanation about Woojin's case. I'm with you, guys. I'm not defending Woojin either but seeing people accuse him online makes me sick. I don't think Woojin is that stupid to fake the company 🤦 People are so quick to judge

[@myself7232]

hearing him in his live on Instagram , telling us that he tried to deal with anxiety, he was not able to sleep anymore cause of the rumors... it hurts. it's painful, it's so damn painful. he handled this very well and tried to overcome all of the insults he was and he's still receiving. he's a strong person... hw can u guys ruin his hard wrk and his whole life? anyways... sometimes im scared woojin wont hang on to life anymore. 🙁 #woojinisbae 🐻💘 #toxicstays 🤮🤡🤺🧍

[@ahnrina13]

my favorite part of every dkdktv news is when david explains the news and danny continuously goes "oh, no", "oh, man", while shaking his head

[@christarolle7012]

My issue is that this is on the internet in the first place. (Woojin's Case) Netizens think they are the police when they are not and the possible victims gave information then left without a trace. Like the Burning Sun, this case should be held by the police and the police alone. This is the only way to get proper evidence to the allege assault.

[@bluegrey3246]

This Woojin controversy is more intense than any drama. I hope this ends soon tho and the reality is brought to light before anyone is being degraded more for false allegations- whether the guilty one is Woojin or the proclaimed victims.

[@RalphGMF]

I don't even know how you became friends when you clearly cannot agree in each other's opinions. 😂 I still love the two of you tho.

[@CrystalWilliamsBrownArt]

I disagree with my best friend. I've had so many disagreements with my mom but I enjoy hanging out with both. I don't think people have to agree with me. When I was a kid I would argue with my cousins or friends then proceed to play with them without issue.

[@dr.sujathat9940]

Basically me and my friend we share common interest but we keep on disagree with each other opinion.

[@Expensive-op6pn]

Opposite poles attract, that is what it is

[@p1p1pupu]

People can disagree with each other on certain things and still be friends lol

[@yume693]

Bro! friends disagree.. most of the time 😂

[@omaimahl.8977]

I have a korean friend and he agrees that most of koreans are racist. But I believe we all races are racist. Haha we're all just hypocrites hahaha

[@dickidsrip5262]

Everyone has learned prejudices through society, media and our surroundings. Its what we choose to do and not do is what defines us as people.

[@sooniedoongidoriandjisung9504]

Opinions man opinions

[@helldeirch]

"all of us are equally racist", that's intellectually dishonest, some of us are more racist than others, it's not a convenient truth but it's the truth

[@NaFran49]

@@helldeirch That's true I know Americans are more racist than most other countries in the world.

[@BiGSmoke-.-]

Some are sadly more racist than others, like the Koreans here

[@telisaluther6602]

Thank you so much for covering the whole Woojin situation. I honestly believe in Woojin and his innocence. We'll never know why he left and that's most likely due to a NDR. So I'll be very surprised if we every learn of why.

[@alexdelosreyes8362]

OMFG I STARTED LAUGHING WHEN Y’ALL PLAYED OUR NATIONAL ANTHEM DJSJKSJDS thanks for your view! Im happy everything’s okay between koreans and filipinos online rn

[@sophiaperiii1483]

Im about to stand up and stop everything i do hahaha

[@ashleynicolepenano6567]

Di ko alam kung tatayo ako o ano. like hey, Lupang Hinirang is playing now. what to do? HAHAHA

[@jackelyndiaz5229]

Oof I feel bad for David he is just trying to consider other options and he is afraid his words will be taken out of context T^T

[@RenaG]

I think there’s a difference between considering scenarios and contemplating something that’s utterly absurd. “The victim shared the photo somewhere, Woojin got a hold of it somehow and told someone to post it prior to even being accused of anything cause he wanted to have an alibi!!” I mean come on lmao

[@Ilikeicecream99584]

I feel Danny invests a lot of time and effort in research while David doesnt so his opinion/arguments whatever seem a lil out of context. Also most of the time he disagrees with Danny in the beginning but then kind of agrees with Danny in the end?

[@anasofiame68]

@@greedeu939 why we need to call people idiots 😂😂 just give your opinion without name call. There's no need for that. You dont need to agree. I don't agree with nothinh dany says but I don't say negative stuff cause his going to read it and I don't have to make people fell rubbish because I don't agree with them.

[@jaeggirl]

@@anasofiame68 yep agree, the minute anyone name calls someone else, I'm ignoring their argument. Being mean doesn't make your argument better.

[@osmanthuspastry]

The way i'm waiting for dkdktv's ver. Of woojin's controversy

[@gyu_gyu__]

Sameeeee

[@moonbarleytea7207]

I just want to come over and apologize. I’ve been feeling so guilty now and I really just fell into the unofficial allegations of Woojin. I was one of the people who believed those statements when they haven’t been confirmed to be true. I just want to admit that I did talk and think badly of Woojin when I heard of the sexual assault and videos of him. I’m very sorry Stays. I shouldn’t come to a conclusion so soon. I feel really guilty and I’ve learned my lesson. Maybe I used it as an excuse to hate on Woojin but still, it was wrong for me to do so. I shouldn’t judge based on the media. I haven’t been a true skz stan about this sorry guys...

[@tierdevi4438]

Don't worry, you're long forgiven, The most important part is realizing the truth and understanding what's really been going on. You're fine now, and thank you :)

[@aquariadorsale7316]

Go put this message on his instagram not here he can t see it here

[@myself7232]

hearing him in his live on Instagram , telling us that he tried to deal with anxiety, he was not able to sleep anymore cause of the rumors... it hurts. it's painful, it's so damn painful. he handled this very well and tried to overcome all of the insults he was and he's still receiving. he's a strong person... hw can u guys ruin his hard wrk and his whole life? anyways... sometimes im scared woojin wont hang on to life anymore. 🙁 #woojinisbae 🐻💘 #toxicstays 🤮🤡🤺🧍

[@myself7232]

hearing woojin in his live on Instagram , telling us that he tried to deal with anxiety, he was not able to sleep anymore cause of the rumors... it hurts. it's painful, it's so damn painful. he handled this very well and tried to overcome all of the insults he was and he's still receiving. he's a strong person... hw can u guys ruin his hard wrk and his whole life? anyways... sometimes im scared woojin wont hang on to life anymore. 🙁 #woojinisbae 🐻💘 #toxicstays 🤮🤡🤺🧍

[@md-sw6vm]

I have little to no idea about who stray kids are then suddenly got recommended tons of woojin stuff so i finally caved in and watched some and I am glad to find you guys with actual papers and sht hahaha research well done 👌🏼👌🏼

[@ashurasama]

Stray Kids have great music you should check them out.

[@kookymonster3338]

Regarding #cancelKorea: As a Filipino, I think what triggered us more was that we were called uneducated, which is of course, a real insult to us since a lot of foreigners especially Asians specifically go to the Philippines to study (not just to learn English but other stuff as well like agriculture and developmental communication).

[@jennye3482]

I am sorry that you guys had to face this issue. What I really found interesting is that when it came to the Sam Okyere controversy, some SK were mad about the word un/-educated. So the word that they apparently hate to have a connotation with is the same word they used for the Filipinos. They hate to be called uneducated but call other people that. smh

[@cidinnuan2153]

@@jennye3482 You are right. It breaks the Korean self image of an advanced and developed country. Countries poorer than Korea are assumed to be the ones lower. Sam Okyere and Filipinos are from undeveloped countries, therefore the place of people from poorer countries is not to teach Koreans anything. Underdeveloped nations could not possible be more educated than Koreans so that is why it is insulting to them.

[@jennye3482]

@@cidinnuan2153 I definitely agree with you. This is such a bad mindset to have though😱.

[@Written_in_the_Starss]

Koreans never realize that the world war 2 killed more Filipinos 100 times more than koreans and Filipino soldier help South Korea to liberate from the communist north. Who is uneducated again?

[@lottefn]

fategrandoroder2 lmao, u shouldn't call others names either, that's how you stay in the cycle of racism

[@saranaila5905]

about woojin's case, I heard a lot of people saying to always believe the victim but that does not apply when the one they are accusing is a public figure with a known name also it kinda goes against innocent until proven guilty which I believe to be the right way to deal with any crime. jumping to conclusions is not the answer I didn't know who woojin was before this happened and I am not saying he for sure is innocent but believing everything you see with no proufe is really childish and kinda weird

[@myself7232]

hearing him in his live on Instagram , telling us that he tried to deal with anxiety, he was not able to sleep anymore cause of the rumors... it hurts. it's painful, it's so damn painful. he handled this very well and tried to overcome all of the insults he was and he's still receiving. he's a strong person... hw can u guys ruin his hard wrk and his whole life? anyways... sometimes im scared woojin wont hang on to life anymore. 🙁 #woojinisbae 🐻💘 #toxicstays 🤮🤡🤺🧍

[@SpiritedDancer17]

“The company formed on September 27 2020” “Oh that’s pretty recent” Yeah so recent that it’s in the future.... XD

[@Happinessis_12]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 damn gurl, I laughed my ass off....

[@Tsuki_no_Megami]

He said September but if you actually looked at the paper it said July lol. I think they were talking about so many months that he got confused 🤣🤣🤣

[@hanquokkassi]

It's actually july 27

[@alicesus3863]

Regarding the Wo0jin controversy: I appreciate your approaches to the issue at hand, sticking with facts, proofs and law is probably the only way to clarify everything. I have been keeping up with all the stuff on twitter and there are some things that don't make sense: what's up with the teen vogue article? the company was created in July but by the article they claimed that they were managing the artist before then and during the alleged time of the harassment (so back in april), and I don't know, it does not make sense to me but maybe there is a logical explanation I'm missing. And regarding the guy itself and his behaviour in the past, there are not SOLID PROOFS, but there have been hints from both the other members (see Bang Chan Vlive when he indirectly spoke about him) and from the guy himself, when he showed in the past to be in a "rocky" relationship with the other members. This does not explain or proves anything he's been accused of, but it certainly looks in a certain way in the eyes of the fans of the group... Also, there are voices about JYP staff members speaking out about him? I tried to look into it but I can't find proofs anywhere (also does not help that I can't read korean, maybe someone with that skill can have a better look). All in all it just makes me really mad that as soon as one accuser comes out there are 100 fake reports, it just does not help, it fuels fanwars, it's counter-productive and it just makes the issue lose credibility for the general public, when MAYBE the first girl reported a true fact. It's a mess!

[@djdct4]

Regarding the company. If the company is a start up they don’t necessarily need to be incorporated to have been working with him Like a lot of times with start ups people usually have started doing some work on their company before they have actually incorporated. I don’t know how it works in Korea but incorporating usually can be done online and can happen be official within an hour. Because the process is very simple. so there’s usually really no rush to incorporate, even for entertainment. Also they could’ve begun managing him if they just did a standard management contract. Those contracts are usually between the artist and the manager specifically. So it’s a person-to-person contract. Outside of specifically K-pop companies you actually don’t need to sign to label to have a manager, Even in Korea. A manager in the music industry globally is just a separate person that works for the artist that doesn’t have any connection to a label. it’s possible they probably just had a contract similar to that and then made decision to have him join the company full-time as an idol not only management client but artist.

[@alicesus3863]

@@djdct4 Thank you for the clarification!

[@editkiss5356]

Dont bring Bang Chan into this. All he said (indirectly) that W made mistakes. It could be anything.

[@undrtl5212]

Its better to stay neutral/stay out from the issue. Its a mess now, i don't know why that 'victim' didn't report it to the police if she really became victim to him? Im curious abt this part.

[@lenlenlen355]

@@undrtl5212 from what I saw on twitter. The one who posted the situation is a foreigner, and sexual assault allegations isn't taken seriously in sk... That's what i saw I'm just a messenger. I'm not that person.

[@Sfxfreestyle]

Yeesh. I was all like “Woojin really did some bad shit” but after watching this idk. Like they gave some really good explanations and so really good evidence. Like Woojin very well could be getting framed. I low key hope it’s fake cause he was my bias, but idk yet so imma stay quiet

[@gee.e7644]

Danyl’s Studio with this case its a but tricky because this is an sexual assault allegation and its very serious, i would hope everyone puts theyre bias or favoritsm aside and focus on the case at hand, because either woojin is innocent or the assault victim is right and honestly its better to believe a liar than a possible assulter. And even if he does end up being innocent it honestly wouldnt matter because his mistreatment towards the members have come to light and i don’t think any stays would want to support anyone who hurts theyre members especially when he was one himself, he’s ruined is reputation either way so i would hope people don’t support him just because he was a fan favorite. He’s a human being who should be held accountable to things people call him out for fake or true, and if he’s gonna respond the least he could do is focus on a serious allegation not right it off as a silly rumour and promote his comeback with this possibly fake company. Him “leaving” one of the big3 companies only to join a smaller unknown company in the middle of a comeback, is a weird thing to do. He’s lied and possibly the victim too. The only thing im asking is people put aside theyre favortism and bias and understand this is serious. edit: I've reached middle ground thanks to all the comments helping me realize that the situation is not black and white and in this case and a lot others its better to just be neutral. Thank you everyone for replying im genuinely thankful for the responses i have and now i have a broader mindset on this as i did before! I no longer believe to an extent that i should believe the victim first and instead just be in the middle and not on sides because we truly know nothing about the situation at hand, some of my points still stand but i have now realized my mistakes and have come to fix the mindset that made them.

[@didxdrama]

Just be natural until we know from a official source

[@아멜리에니글레]

@@gee.e7644 that what fans think the member said nothing lol

[@yumu5460]

Still, it doesn’t seem like he had a genuine relationship with stray kids. Felix’s post and Bang Chan’s statement are making him look more sus.

[@Sfxfreestyle]

I saw the vids of his bullying toward them. It really didn’t look like anything my friends and I wouldn’t be lien to each other. However, it did seem like they genuinely had a discourse

[@NikkiShear]

I like how "Korea" can recognize racist behavior toward the Philippines and apologize... but also care less about the racists comments and actions against Sam Okyere (and black people in general). I canceled most of Korea a long time ago.

[@twistedbliss58]

Imagine being so fucking stupid you 'cancel' an entire country.

[@matthewtenorioduenas202]

• oetori • that’s just the Filipino mentality for yah. I’m Filipino and so disappointed by it.

[@zendayam2676]

Sam is also racist to Asians so he can’t really complain about racism when he’s racist himself

[@hasa8491]

Both claims were fake. The person that posted the claims turned out not to be in South Korea when the alleged assault took place. The picture was fake. If it was real, we would have had more evidence. I feel really bad for Woojin and his family. It was some delulu living her fanfic life. She really ruined his life for nothing, she didn't gain anything. I hope justice gets served one way or another.

[@zarachairel5191]

Hope Woojin and his company can sue that person who ruin his name

[@bæn-f7u]

where'd you get this info?

[@myself7232]

hearing him in his live on Instagram , telling us that he tried to deal with anxiety, he was not able to sleep anymore cause of the rumors... it hurts. it's painful, it's so damn painful. he handled this very well and tried to overcome all of the insults he was and he's still receiving. he's a strong person... hw can u guys ruin his hard wrk and his whole life? anyways... sometimes im scared woojin wont hang on to life anymore. 🙁 #woojinisbae 🐻💘 #toxicstays 🤮🤡🤺🧍

[@DKDKTV]

Which side of the story are you on for Woojin's controversy?

[@prav1260490]

Honestly, I've been hearing a whole lot of stuff and I just want to know the truth, whatever that might be.

[@aradhyasaraf_]

@Peiman S Haha same

[@gooeylife]

I want the truth and nothing but the truth

[@elllie3630]

I just want to know the truth of happened

[@olive1141]

If what he did is true... chair but make it ⚡electric ⚡

[@untitled5441]

I'm glad to see the #SorryToFilipinos hashtag. Like, listen, I'm Filipino and I've heard of this whole incident because it's been trending here so much, but I wasn't on board with it because I know how korean netizens are and how they're not representative of a country's opinion - and I don't really think the words of an obnoxious few are worth "cancelling" a whole nation over. However, even if I think this way, that doesn't erase the fact that discrimination is so prevalent, and I'm glad many k-netizens took the step back to reflect on how they treat us Filipinos and took the initiative to apologize. My dad was even convincing me to drop kpop over it lmao. Anyway, we also like to apologize for people calling y'all names like 'plastic surgery' etc. I hope you don't also consider that as the general Filipino opinion - in every country, we all have loud, obnoxious, and ignorant people. And I hope these people don't ruin the friendships and our bonds between countries. South Korea has always been a great ally to us. Hoping for a better relationship between the two nations!

[@kaitej5061]

"loud abnoxious people" lmao I- (Filipina din ako tbh natawa talaga ko dito kasi legit HAHAHAH)

[@nanajaeminlee3966]

Mababait naman talaga ang mga Filipinos, wag niyo lang galitin dahil ma attitude kami🤣

[@MultiWeenie123]

Very well said! 👏 Meron talagang bad apples sa isang orchard, pero hindi siya representative ng lahat ng apples

[@littleblueberry6017]

As a Filipino i've been so embarrassed to see some toxic Filipinos attacking racism with racism or attacking someone else's culture saying that ours is better. That is NOT how we should present ourselves, we should stand up for our country but not make fun of other peoples culture or race that is attacking us. We as humans should educate ourselves to know about these things but nature is always making people compare ourselves to people different from us.

[@rosenasmi7942]

well said😅tau2 din namn mgkakalahi ngtotoxican eh hahaha aminin dn natin na racist dn tau😅

[@sad-boys161]

There's so many videos on youtube of Stay's attacking Woojin, isn't it a bit to early? There's no hard evidence yet to support both sides? Just wait till everything is sorted?

[@professorhistoire5349]

exactly i saw some 'woojin bullying/mistreating skz' videos literally a day after i first heard these rumours.

[@Tiffany-ov2jf]

That's the thing. people on the internet can't wait or be civil anymore. most are making views off of making videos a day later

[@myself7232]

hearing him in his live on Instagram , telling us that he tried to deal with anxiety, he was not able to sleep anymore cause of the rumors... it hurts. it's painful, it's so damn painful. he handled this very well and tried to overcome all of the insults he was and he's still receiving. he's a strong person... hw can u guys ruin his hard wrk and his whole life? anyways... sometimes im scared woojin wont hang on to life anymore. 🙁 #woojinisbae 🐻💘 #toxicstays 🤮🤡🤺🧍

[@quimmochiii7231]

When the Philippine national anthem played i panicked for a bit cuz i was lying down and i felt the need to stand up😂😂😂

[@winonaevergarden1981]

💀💀💀😂😂😂😂

[@iwannaknowknowknowknow3574]

Same HAHAHAHA.

[@dawn6978]

lol! Same🤣

[@Manhands99]

I was about to put my right hand over my heart LOL

[@앤니째와삐]

No matter what happened / not happened, woojin suddenly leaving skz & jype in the middle of preparing a comeback & after they announced their first solo concert is fishy & I will never buy that "personal reason" bullsh*t.

[@raerohan4241]

Fishy to be sure, but that's not proof of guilt. I'm not defending him, I'm just a firm believer of innocent until proven guilty, so it bothers me that people have automatically decided that he's guilty of that (very serious) crime without any sort of proof whatsoever. And just in case you're one of those people who will say "yOu'Re JuSt DeFeNdInG yOuR kPoP bOyS," while WJ was still part of SKZ I was only a casual listener. I knew only the name of the group and some of their title songs. I didn't know the name nor the face of any member. It was only after God's Menu, which WJ was obviously not a part of, that I started learning all of those things, so when it comes to WJ, I have no previously held views or biases

[@앤니째와삐]

@@raerohan4241 nah u can think whatever u want to think. I won't judge so chill. I'm just saying that I believe something definitely went wrong behind the scenes that made woojin left. If he really left "nicely" why can't they be honest & tell everyone about it? like where's the harm? Why make it so mysterious? And the fact that woojin came back to "meet his fans" only a few months after that is more fishy so yeah.

[@kavya3292]

앤니째와삐 well sulli said she wanted to focus on her acting career and left which in reality she left because she had problems with her mental health and people hated her for ditching her group look where that ended her DEAD so stop acting like you know everything about everyone’s personal life it’s called personal reasons for a reason

[@antoroshan6686]

personal reason means personal... you have no responsibility or rights to get to know the reasons... who are you to him to know his personal reasons... please grow up.. don't act like a child..!!

[@앤니째와삐]

@@kavya3292 Im just stating that it's fishy for me does that mean I'm saying I know what's happening in his life? Why bring sulli into this?

[@geetanjaliravikumar]

You guys should make a video on racism in korea..there r many youtube videos that say racism is still prevalent on a large scale..like a detailed video..wat do u guys think as koreans about this..wat can be done..wat can b changed..Looking forward to it.

[@elleran1969]

Yeah but when they call out racism they might get in trouble too like that guy recently. People all over the world get touchy when their country is called out for its crap. And to be honest S Korea is a generally pretty safe and polite place. You won't get shot just for being black there anyway.

[@geetanjaliravikumar]

@@elleran1969 Thats true..

[@abhaypatra7347]

Geetanjali Ravikumar racism is still relevant even in our country [ if you are from India] and many other countries so if they make a video it might be very controversial

[@maiamay9644]

I think they already have a video addressing that

[@maiamay9644]

It’s not the main topic but it is addressed here kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZqSoq4CqbbF6hZo

[@jimmypark3224]

Guilty of rigging the vote on a Kpop idol contest: 2 years Guilty of running the largest child porn website in the world: 1.5 years Korea has got to work on their priorities.

[@laurennn316]

Jimmy Park I just want to say the first one is not nearly as big a deal as the second one. At all. Not even a little bit. Shouldn’t even be compared.

[@Illadd1]

I’m reading the line of news at the bottom and daaaaaaammmmnnnn it’s informative

[@shreyapatra3286]

Who's ready to have some tea ?

[@burntpotatoes6634]

I mean- 😌✨

[@vallencia]

Honestly, The way filipinos fired back wasn't good either. It was just racism versus racism. Although I hope the two countries make up :) I hope Korea is not viewed as the land of Plastic Surgery. They have so much more to offer and the first people notice would be plastic surgery, It's sad. Some people criticize Kpop as well when it's a safe space to many people :(

[@miakayuki1068]

All the people I know here in ph insult korea I hear it all the time even I socil media I dont understand my cofilipinos they just embarrassing themselves they have a lot of time to waste in social media than improving this poor country

[@vaanshichauhan9868]

Yeah racism is bad and it happens everywhere. About plastic surgery its true south korea is no. 1 in plastic surgery but it can't be reason of racism.

[@AH-ve5um]

Thanks for speaking the Truth! They fought shallowness with shallowness.. like _BRUH!!! _*_facepalm_* A big part of that shit could have been avoided if the filipino ‘kids’ on TikTok and Twitter know how to be the bigger person.. like FFS guys... there’s a REPORT button for a reason.. *_report the offensive comments_* I know! Surprise! yes.. it’s a thing... no need to make a trending Hashtag over it.... _(and the most embarrassing thing is.. they almost don’t have anything better to brag about other than_ *Beauty Pageant* _winners?!!!like... ughh of all the things..they’re just embarrassing themselves.._ *facepalm x3000* _news alert people! Ya’ll the only one impressed..)_ Thank goodness i don’t have twitter Disclaimer: I’m Filipino and noppee not a Kpop fan

[@megal7500]

@@vaanshichauhan9868 I agree with you about the the racism being bad and here it is going both ways, and plastic surgery shouldn't and can't be used for racism, racism should never be acceptable. I do want to bring this to your attention though South Korea isn't no.1 in plastic surgery it's not even in the top 5 the United States is no. 1 fallowed by Brazil, Japan, Italy, and Mexico. This information comes from data collected by the International Society of Aesthetic Plastic Surgeons (ISAPS).

[@anonji8102]

@@miakayuki1068 ALL?

[@morphogenetic_]

And I think it's very mindful of Danny to explain the legal process for reporting crime, that made me glad :)

[@vanavern]

I’m so glad DKDKTV is reporting on the woojin scandal. He brushed it off like it is not a serious allegation at all. Whether it is true or false, the fact that he is just like meh, support my fake solo; shows who he is.

[@kavya3292]

Ivana lmao it doesn’t show shit just because he seems suspicious doesn’t prove anything stop acting like this is a Sherlock Holmes drama this is real life and you don’t know who the victim is in this situation it could be woojin or it could be the other person so instead of jumping to conclusions and supporting each side blindly like a child wait and see what the results give you and I’m not saying dismiss the situation either just stop jumping to conclusions

[@anjaliii_i]

@@kavya3292 they said whether it is true or false. doesnt sound like a conclusion.

[@irene3694]

@@kavya3292 they never did tho lol I'd rather support a potential liar than a potential assulter. You do realize that your human before a K-pop stan right. At least have some morals for yourselves. (this is for everyone, not just you). It also doesn't sit right with how the members act around Woojin. You can clearly see they were being mistreated by him, whether big or small, we don't know. Felix literally posted #believe in ot8.

[@mgnrvnn4199]

Honestly, I don't even care about Woojin, but I think he just mentioned his activities at the moment with his new company only as evidence that he's busy and wouldn't even go out and not as self promo lol. It was, I have to say though, a very stupid way to put it in that context.

[@chengetaimubaiwa2239]

@@irene3694 assaulters and liars don't deserve any support whatsover cause both lies and assaults are harmful to people.

[@donnakarla]

👏🏻 Kudos to Danny Kim for mentioning about the Philippines helping South Korea during the Korean War. Many people probably have forgotten about that. The Philippines was the first Asian country to respond to the call of United Nations/UN to help South Korea in the 1950s. See the story here: newsinfo.inquirer.net/225235/filipino-soldiers-story-of-korean-war-valor-redux

[@helldeirch]

doesn't matter, racism is racism whether a country helped in the war or not

[@marioprawirosudiro7301]

@@helldeirch The Pinoys are the victims in this case though?

[@donut7543]

Maybe JYP should give the reasons of his contract being ended it might clarify a few things

[@xXSweet_Sakura_KissXx]

Agreed JYP making a statement is the only truth I can believe right now...

[@luffypirateking1068]

That will finish everything

[@donut7543]

It worries me that they have kept so quiet

[@akfsims4619]

But he left Stray Kids last year? And the op said the situation happened a few months ago...so?? Also, jyp is no longer his company so I doubt they'll get theirselves involved. Why would a company get involved in a scandal they aren't a part of? .. not taking sides, just saying it doesn't really make sense to wait for a jyp statement when he's not in jyp ^^

[@donut7543]

@@akfsims4619 Yeah but it might also give an insight to his state of mind also there are a lot of accusations of him bullying the other members

[@huh1699]

10x Entertainment actually managed to track down the security footage of the random guy taking the photo of the whiskey for his instagram and the girl who made the original post really did just steal it.

[@jarrebkun1163]

Surely not dropping my lightstick cause I can raise it along with our flag. #CancelRacism

[@sophiaperiii1483]

Its actually sad that if you comment something about still loving sk and you just hate racist people, they will start to attack you too

[@hooman5643]

👍 #CancelRacism

[@sophiaperiii1483]

@brrra tata i know, what i mean is in other videos and im not saying specifically him, mostly who will comment about still liking kpop

[@saminlabib7448]

Im not supporting woojin but i am not seeing any proof i want to see solid proof so yeah im not believing those allegations its just anonymous pearson coming out of nowhere and all of a sudden all those account came up with their own allegations seems fishy

[@fuckedup2348]

What proof do you want from victims? Cameras attached in their private parts which shows woojin's hand on them? Get fucking real.

[@아멜리에니글레]

@@fuckedup2348 if he touched her his ADN would be on her or maybe that's she's afraid that people might easily break her allegations cuz they were there I'm not taking side I'm just saying.

[@Multilipstik]

Fucked Up No, but I actually agree with samin labib. Just think about Johnny Depp’s case, where Amber Heard accused him of domestic violence. Without any proof, for many, many months society collectively “canceled” him. There were multiple petitions, demanding to fire him from the Fantastic Beast productions. And now, after several month of being in court it actually looks like she herself was an abuser in that relationship and that she accused him of domestic violence to get some money. Unfortunately, this is not an unique situation. Many celebrities confess that there are a lot of people who are trying to make money on a false accusations and it’s more often than not more safe to these celebrities to just agree to settle and give them money than take the case to the court. Hell, Michael Jackson wrote a whole song about this (Billie Jean). So yeah, until these sexual assaults are proven and backed up by evidence (reliable witness confession for example), I don’t think that it is right to treat him as a sexual harasser. And just to be clear, I am not his fan. I don’t even think that I’ve ever heard any of his songs.

[@annegellyne201]

Yeah, Here is the thing Woojin WILL go to jail IF Concrete evidence is given by the "Victim" But, the "Victim" can go to Jail because of Defamation and Concrete evidence of Defamation is everywhere, almost everyone has screenshots about this and the Defamation IS happening while the Sexual Harasment is still yet to be proven

[@margiet748]

Fucked Up camera footage from the bar she was at.

[@ferntorres2335]

For the Instagram post the company said the artist woojin and then towards the end it started to say “I” instead of “the artist woojin” so I think that’s why people thought he was lying

[@Yandanislost]

thyre not english so

[@spinnywheely4409]

Translation can be so wrong

[@luna2ky904]

I don't get why people DONT think the concept of "always believing the victim" is INCREDIBLY scary and dangerous??? At least to me it is because there's always. ALWAYS two sides to the story and to push the blame on the accuse without solid evidence is just so wrong?????? Can you imagine if all of this was fabricated? Can you imagine the mental impact it would have for the accused? That being said of course it'll be incredibly upsetting if it all turns out to be the truth but until substantial proof turns up, understand that words are incredibly powerful weapons that can kill. Without any evidence, we need to learn to take these situations with a grain of salt.

[@luna2ky904]

Also I'm so glad that this video finally shed some sensible mentality onto this situation. I just find the comment section of a lot of skz videos right now being so incredibly toxic and once in awhile I'll stumble upon somebody that attempts to bring up the idea of remaining a neutral party and that person just gets absolutely HOUNDED with hate comments it's disgusting.

[@idk-mm9ci]

Finally someone with the same opinion! People keep saying "i rather Believe a potential liar than a potential rapist" I can see why people choose to believe this, since when it come to sexual assaults its really hard to find proof, and often people dint believe the victim But poeple been taking the "believe the victim first" in the wrong way, like believing the victim dosent mean you HAVE to send hate/ death thread to the other person, i just think its very wrong, because what if the victim is lying? Anybody can be lying at this point The best and safe thing do is just supporting the victim so they wont feel like nobody dont believe them, and dont give hate to the person accused but also listen to their side of story

[@sugaryseasalt527]

Neha Lili bruh what do you want them to do? use their personal account? people will find them, doxx them, ans it’ll be genuinely unsafe for the victim. not to mention coming out and saying you’ve been assaulted by a celebrity with tons of fans is terrifying and a lot of victims don’t speak up bc of that.

[@spiralysts]

“always believing the victim” is not a permanent stance, till more info comes out we either change our views or stay there.

[@jka_park4045]

It is fabricated by some Brazilians haters. Go and check out on twitter from my account @josephinepark33 i havs retweeted from another per account @AmyLee77636233

[@nuukunn307]

I commented under a post saying that we shouldn't send hate until everything is clear and I got so much hate saying that we should believe the victim no matter what and it doesn't make sense i'm not defending him or the "victim" no one has proof so we should wait. If it's false it will only bring harm to Woojin and if it's true it means that it was harmful for the person so i don't get it we should just wait is it really that hard.

[@cats6208]

So far there is a good amount of proof against woojin. He has pleasured himself while watching Chaeryoungs performance while he was 20 and she was 16, he abused his members, not caring for rape victims, joked about rape with his friends, lied to his fans, and now this plus a palm reading video was correct for having a sexual assault assumption when it was made in 2017/2018. But then again you never know but even if he didn’t sexual assault her he still should get the heat because he did mentally and physically hurt his members.

[@k.baewon..8309]

@@cats6208 he was literally scratching his knee, no pleasure was involved in Cheryoung's performance, yall are reaching rn. And even if he was attracted to her, do you think he would have done that with all his members near AND cameras on him? And the editors would have left that scento in the reality show? How can yall twist everything? He was either scratching or brushing his knee/thigh, literally nowhere near the genital area

[@ilive4anime.]

Bruh I get so replies like that for the botopass bully thing, why can't people wait for actual evidence before condemning people to thier deaths

[@user-yw6bl7mi3e]

@@k.baewon..8309 it feels like everyone will soak in things that fit into how they're feeling, or what they're thinking, roll with it and say it's real 🙄🙄

[@ironsidhe8624]

@@cats6208 If I wasn't already suspicious of the credibility of your claims, you included a palm reading video as one of your items of proof?? Dude, I think you need to stop getting your info from Twitter.

[@valerywac]

David speaks in shower thoughts.

[@edaedovald2268]

I heard this from another video, but apparently there has been info leaked on skz finding out about Woojin's situation. I cannot confirm that it is real or fake information, but there's that. Alos, i would like to point out what another person, Erin Silva, has commented: "The one who posted the picture was not even the OP [...]. The first OP never mentioned a a date or location, they just said 3 months ago (June).". For now, until there's concrete proof from either side, we just have to wait. I'm a bit more enclined to the victim's side, but you never know. Let's try to stay a bit more neutral, maybe? EDIT: there's also that one live Chan had where he talked about a person making mistakes, and a lot of people apparently believe he was referencing to Woojin.

[@moonbinisaghostiemermaidpr4950]

this situation happened during quarantine. so the likelihood of him being kicked out due to this situation is like 0.

[@ryleealright]

Felix also posted 8 on his Instagram with convenient timing. I don’t believe everything on the internet but I’m not going to support him till he’s proven absolutely innocent

[@moonbinisaghostiemermaidpr4950]

@@ryleealright Thats fine, but dont blindly believe the accuser either. plus Felix has been posting 8 for like forever ever since woojin left. There is probably different and more reasons for them to feel betrayed. But you never know and JYP will never confirm so.

[@edaedovald2268]

@@ryleealright yes, that too.

[@skytaev8558]

MOONBIN is a mermaid prince thanks for saying that I see a lot of people mixing up the timing/dates

[@alkair422]

the thing i dont really get is people complaining about his ,,apology‘‘ and how it wasnt a real apology..... like wtf of course it wasnt a apology. He basically said he didn’t do it snd it was just made up. But what else is there to say? Why should he write an apology if he didnt do anything wrong. If a girl accuses me out of nowhere without proof and a faked picture there is no way I would apologize for something I didnt commit. We still don‘t know the whole situation but if you accuse someone without proof and a fake photo (which is a crime by the way) and everybody just started to believe it and judges every move or glance wj ever did as something negative. The kpop community is so toxic for a large part I wouldt be suprised if there was a another suicide over false rumours and fake claims that everyone imediatly believed. Really shame on you if you judged wj before knowing the whole situation and just followed rumours.

[@mimi-xx3ik]

false accusations are a very small percentage. women have been forced to stay silent for so many years, it's important to give them a platform. don't sympathize with woojin. you don't know what happened that night. victims don't always need proof especially when it comes to powerful offenders with connections such as woojin. maybe she didn't get the chance to take real proof. can you put yourself through her situation? the trauma she went through? do you have ANY idea how much silenced victims suffer. and again... woojin is not a good man. even if said accusations were fake, he lied. He fabricated evidence, Photoshopped pictures and an alibi. even if he did not sexually assault his own fans, he treated what was left of his fanbase like garbage. ALWAYS GIVE VICTIMS A PLATFORM. this is the second time I am going through this. I stuck around for the Melanie Martinez situation. but that was different. Melanie did not betray or use her fanbase. she watched as people ruined her merchandise and went after her and she stayed silent. the truth eventually came out. Timothy Heller faked all evidence. that's how you deal with this kind of situation. woojin is a manipulator. don't pity him because you are doing exactly what he wants you to. defend him because he can't defend himself.

[@professorhistoire5349]

@@mimi-xx3ik Neutrality does not equal siding with the perpetrator. No one is sympathizing with woojin, its just that there are so many possibilities with this thing that we really have no choice but to stay in the middle. people forget, this is an anonymous account on twitter, no profile, no nothing, a 3-tweet accusation and a picture. We don't know who this person is. It could be a troll, or some group's delusional fan, or a sasaeng, making up lies to cause chaos or it could be an actual person sharing their story to a seemingly uncaring world. What's more, the girl deleted her acount. Even more evidence as to how this could go both ways! No one is defending him, or catering to him, or trying to silence anyone. Rumours and lies are dangerous things, they spread like wildfire and destroy everything. Nowhere can this do more damage than in the vast yet close-knit kpop fandom, where a single lie can bring forth a relentless onslaught of hate. always give victims a platform, yes, and thats what we're doing. Whats more, the company was in fact real. The alibi im not sure, but what we do know is that he didnt lie completely. Please dont assumw anyone is swithcing to his side, because there arent only two sides. We as a fandom have no place to pass judgement on a person. Victims must never be silenced, but blindly following is not much better.

[@mimi-xx3ik]

@@professorhistoire5349 I am really sorry I can't explain in dept about my opinion, it's just that I have been writing the same thing over and over again. hope you understand. I will agree to disagree. Everyone can stand up for whoever they want, we base our opinions on past experiences. I chose to side with the victims. They could be lying, but they also could be not. That can really ruin them mentally if they are, the whole K-pop community against them because of one picture. Woojin on the other hand provided us with fake evidence and didn't handle the situation seriously. He has a big name, even more people know about him now because of the scandal. He has money and connections and now a company. He has nothing to lose either way.

[@controversialaf1617]

@diminie What do you mean that he has nothing to lose? Reputation? Fans? Trust? His whole life could even be ruined. The only person who has nothing to lose is the so called “victim” that has nothing to lose, except a twitter account, and she had already lost that. #StayNeutral

[@alkair422]

@@mimi-xx3ik First I never said I sided with wj you made that one up. Second Of course you need proof, if you could jsut accuse anybody without proof every celbrity would already be in jail. Imagine I write a facebook post saying Jennifer Lawrence raped me in am Bar and then send a picture of a bar that isnt even in the same country. Would you believe me know?? Should Jennifer Lawrence be put in Jail??? See how flawed your logic is. Of course these are important topics thats why you go to your lawyer of police department and file a report. What you definitly shouldt do is post it on social media without anything to back it up. I am neither a fan of Wj nor do i really care about his career at this point but you should never jump to conclusions and spread rumours or hate on the internet without any proof. I will wait for evidence and then judge the situation instead of randomly accusing people.

[@hima478]

Ive been seeing all these new content against woojin where people have been reanalysing every interaction and behaviour he showed when he was in skz. Thats fine and all but the thing is, it would be nice if people can be neutral about this until proof arises. Cancelling people and having a judgement quickly hardly ever bore good results. An example would be the whole James Charles drama. Things were taken out of context and the whole world was cancelling him. The thing about cancel culture is the recipient will be going through hell. Careers, mental health, everything will be at stake. We've already seen people give up on their lives from cyberbullying. All of this because people jumped to conclusions. That being said, i can agree with people who would side with the assaulted victim without proof because well duh and also, this side desperately needs support from the people. It isnt easy to come out and talk about these things especially against a person with such a huge following and my heart goes out to the victim if she had to go through this but i would really like it if people could tone down the cyber bullying. Fight to start an investigation instead of typing in 'kill yourself asshole' under his ig. If he is in fact an asshole, he'll get whats coming to him (especially considering his image has already taken a blow) but i dont want to see such violent comments against a person when both sides are yet to produce sufficient proof.

[@honestlyidk8112]

I can’t count the number of different “evidence” videos against Woojin that have popped up in my yt feed in the past week despite me not clicking on any of them. It’s so easy to edit a large amount of content into tiny moments to make things look bad, look good, etc - so it’s really no proof of anything at all. It’s basically the opposite of a ship video but with the same reality: a collection of moments that don’t necessarily mean anything.

[@nuukunn307]

I was reading the small news and I saw a B1A4 comeback damn i'm so excited. And a full album

[@kavya3292]

So far in the video I don’t know about the first victim but the second victim is either fake or she was scared people were not going to believe her so she made fake proof

[@ItchyBitschy]

Yeah might be But lets BELIEVE the 1st victim

[@joohoneybun]

even if that's the case for the second girl, she should have thought it out more. using a fake image and having people find out only ruins her credibility. no one is going to believe her now. there's been many fake claims like this and it only makes it worse for real victims.

[@ldarkllrevanl181]

@@ItchyBitschy believe is a strong word. Let's give this person a chance is better. We're not saying they're liars but proof is needed at the end of the day.

[@ItchyBitschy]

@@ldarkllrevanl181 YEAH I MEAN W0oJIN IS GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN

[@ldarkllrevanl181]

@@ItchyBitschy yes he is but that could easily be turned around and everyone could be saying he is the victim. That's why proof is needed. A claim is not strong enough and that's unfortunate for actual victims and because some idiots lie.

[@leonaszeto]

Althought I'm sure it feels awkward sometimes, I really appreciate the David and Danny have different perspectives and bring a diversity of thought to the topics! And it's refreshing both when they disagree and when they agree.

[@hannahkahi4369]

You know it’s bad when twitter decides to cancel an entire country.

[@phoenixxena8194]

Twitter is not a representation of a "whole" country or real-life for that matter. www.statista.com/statistics/242606/number-of-active-twitter-users-in-selected-countries/ For exp: US has 60 millions out of 300 millions population. So it is only 20% of the whole country. Philippines twitter users are only 7.75 millions out of 100 millions, so it was only 7%, also not "a whole country." South Korea twitter user ony 4.7 millions out of 51 millions, so roughly 10% of the populations. That is also hardly "a whole country." Consider also fake accounts, ghost accounts and non-active accounts. A country being "cancelled" by twitter is hardly a bad thing. It is easy to forget that most of people are living in 3d world and not really care about what happens in 2d world.

[@jakechua6360]

Wake up po, this is real facts 👉kzbin.info/www/bejne/qH7LmWCKlJhra5I

[@hannahkahi4369]

Phoenix Xena I’m very sorry I didn’t do my research I’ll learn from this. Thanks for the info.

[@phoenixxena8194]

@@jakechua6360 What's your point with the video? I am not saying that whatever history between korea-japan-phillippines are not true. Also that tag is no longer trending.... getdaytrends.com/trend/%23cancelkorea/ Only reaching peak #1 roughly for 1 day. And do you know pareto principle? The 80:20 principle. This principle is almost applicable in all aspects of life. So basically, the 80% of twitter content that you see is only generated ("retweeted") by 20% of its active users, probably even less. I am just saying twitter trending is not a good indicator of whatever it is happening in real life. Case in point refer back to US election 2016. Humans also known to have herd mentalities. So just be careful with whatever it is that you hear from media. Lest you get brainwashed and used by other people. Just because majority of people say it is a "6", it doesn't mean it is. For it could be seen from a different perspective and become a "9". Majority opinion != Truth

[@helldeirch]

whatever, people are now aware of the racism of koreans towards filipinos and southeast asians

[@Mr.Wilson1991]

Apparently thev original accuser -a1b3c4s9- her 'friend' said that she made a mistake and have stepped forward and the Company is taking her to court (a1b3c4s98). The bar owner and a regular have also on insta said they have evidence that WJ wasn't there and the poster of the photo the second accuser used has also made statements on insta. So he looks to be Innocent and falsely accused which is horrible bc the accusers are basically invalidating real victims and making it so future victims of such attacks will be afraid to step forward. Hope they are prosecuted and his name is cleared, but yeah, he'll always have antis for no reason now....

[@user-vg5jr6nx7c]

op never said what bar and the only place that we know is itaewon bar which was claimed by a staff and it was after his statement and they stated that they didn't tell anyone and she was a foreigner + police in korea don't do anything abt sexual assualt

[@alexandraohara5323]

why would a newly established company go through all that bother for a practically unknown solo singer just trying to start out tho? i know skz fans know woojin but realistically he is very unknown in korea

[@vanesalusaria7860]

@@alexandraohara5323 Because he is basically their 'product' and they have already invested in him. Imagine even before they take off the 'product' is ruined in an industry where reputation is everything. Also their name is already associated. If they want to continue in the industry they need to see this through, then use the publicity the issue has brought to advance in the industry. Simple business strategy Apply this to any other business and you will see that this is one of the most logical options

[@annegellyne201]

Sad to say but this reminds me a whole lot of the Wonho situation. Yes he is proven innocent and the other person is in jail but his Career is still ruined and stupid ass people are still throwing hate

[@piugogoi5048]

@@annegellyne201 Seungri also got clean shit but not in Bigbang anymore.....people shouldn't come to conclusion just because someone you don't know saying something about a person you adore few months back...

[@quinn3110]

There are several factors that could point towards the first claim to be real: 1: For a popular idol to leave the group and company right before a comeback with 0 court cases is rare and pretty much unheard of. Reality is that JYP had to reorganize SKZ's album and everything else because of the abrupt leaving (which is both time and money consuming, something a company would never do if it wasn't a good reason for it) 2: The first person accused Woojin which was, at that time, almost forgotten in the K-pop industry. If it was for fame, this person would have targeted someone who had an active career, and not someone who is only a float because of their ig followers. 3: Woojin's statement lacked both emotion and understanding of the situation. Instead of taking it seriously, he promoted himself, which is a red flag. Woojin most likely doesn't have a company behind him, or else they would never let their employee write such a nightmarish PR "apology". 4: 10 X entertainment's whole existence and level of professionalism is also to question. A real company would have worked behind the scene and calmed the masses, not going on a social media rant. Edit: A quick clarification, this is some of the things that makes me believe (and possibly many others) that the first claim is real.

[@camilacoeuillet]

Purnima Gurung when you are accused of rapping what kind of agency would go do a thread on Twitter lmaooo, it’s fishy af

[@AdityaSingh-gp4wq]

1. your right but that doesn't equal sexual harassment lol what a joker 2. he obviously wasn't forgotten considering this amount of backlash and because it was thought he didn't have a company he would be a easy target, no lawsuit and slander accusations 3.lacked understanding perhaps because he didn't understand because it is false, he is an idol no a marketing pr expert 4. It isn't even in question whether they are a real company, they are, but they are new not the big3. edit: i am not a straykidsfan i dont really care about woojin, but i dislike illogical fools, best thing to do is stay neutral

[@moonbinisaghostiemermaidpr4950]

@@AdityaSingh-gp4wq thank you fam. people be reading to much into that apology tho. Like if I saw some weird ass shit being posted about me, id probably say the same stuff anyway like

[@MiMi-im2lw]

I agree with your first point, however, I'm not sure about the other.... 2. Idk, its just my own opinion but, the time woojin was accused basically overlapped with skz's comeback announcement. I know woojin is no longer associated with skz in any form, but still if woojin did some shit, the media would have the headline like "skz's former member" and this is what exactly happened after the accusation. 3. Woojin's statement was bullshit, I agree. But I also believe that woojin's company is NOT fake. i kinda have the feeling that the statement on ista claiming that it was from 10x ent. was never addressed by the company but something he wrote on his own using 10x's name. 4. I don't think you could really question a 2 month old company with it's professionalism towards scandals. A new company usually don't have connection with the media at all. Unlike the Big3+(BH) where they could silence the media by bribing them, a fairly new company would never have the money to do the same thing. Understandably, their first instinct would be to silence the people who are spreading the accusation because why not, its free and is the easiest thing to do. i am in no way defending woojin. But there are too many irresponsible claims going around twitter, and it honestly disgusts me. I know a lot of you have the stance to "support the victim more than an accused assaulter", but at this moment, it is more important to not be taking sides but wait for the actual statement of truth to come out. An thorough investigation is needed in an heavy accusation like these, but stan twitter makes it seem like this scandal is a new bait for them to attack.

[@abigailnkombo5331]

@@moonbinisaghostiemermaidpr4950 I sincerely doubt you'd brush off being called a predator. Don't be stupid. Your just saying that cause you ain't him. This isn't some sort of joke. He got called out for S3ggs0ul assault. Not stealing candy from a corner shop.

[@em680]

Those people are apparently MyDays. We don't claim them, and neither would Day6.

[@95Emink]

Even if it's not true, he really messed it up for himself with that weak ass apology Edit: Apology/statement - you know what I'm talking about

[@95Emink]

"I don't know her" Literally no name or photo was posted. "I wasn't there" no place was mentioned.

[@nicolehernandezmorales4006]

LOUDERRRR

[@raine8820]

@@95Emink I don't know korean, so I can't say anything concrete about this. But it's possible that the translation made this sentence more specific than it actually was. At least in Japanese grammar they drop elements that would be obligatory in English grammar, when these elements are not important for understanding the sentence. (And I heard Japanese grammar is similar to Korean grammar.) Danny seems like he really invested some time in going through the allegations and I'm convinced he would have said something if the Korean statement of Woojin would have lead to the same conclusion (that it's really fishy that he seems to know the victim) as the English translation. (Not wanting to defend him, but I found that at least curious. Maybe there is someone Korean in the comments that could enlighten us.)

[@Mina-zw5xh]

@@95Emink Conversely, the fact that no date or time was provided by the first alleged victim also weakens her accusation as he wouldn't be able to provide an alibi. Also if he didn't commit sexual harassment and the statement was a lie, then it would be true that he hadn't met a person who he had harassed and was never in a location where he had harassed someone. To be clear, I am not defending him and I'm staying neutral since there is no evidence on either side and no court case in progress, but i see so many people bringing up the 'no time or place' as evidence that he is guilty when that is not the case.

[@mgnrvnn4199]

@@Mina-zw5xh I agree, if anything his statement is just poorly phrased. I bet, if he gave a differently phrased statement with almost the exact same content, the reaction would be different. I also have to mention that I'm not defending him, because I don't want to be on either side since there is no proper evidence.

[@MingukFilms]

The fact that he was kicked out of JYP out of nowhere without ANY reasons given, it was obviously something BAD! Edit: Innocent me thought at the time that maybe he didn’t want to be an idol anymore, maybe someone in his family was sick, but why would he be in another agency already? So he is willing to continue in this path, JYP didn’t want him for something bad! Period!

[@nicolehernandezmorales4006]

exactly, it must be something super bad since skz were having a comeback just a week after, he even was in the MV and was edited

[@MingukFilms]

Innocent me thought at the time that maybe he didn’t want to be an idol anymore, maybe someone in his family was sick, but why would he be in another agency already? So he is willing to continue in this path, JYP didn’t want him for something bad! Period!

[@miar1141]

Exactly. It was in the middle of a comeback so it cost JYPE a lot of money to redo things without him so there’s got to be a good reason they terminated the contract. If he was sick or needed to see family or anything like that he could’ve easily taken a hiatus.

[@vallencia]

@@MingukFilms And if he does want to continue being an idol, why would he leave one of THE Big 3? It really just seemed fishy from the start for me.

[@m.s.6687]

and after what Chan said and hinted in his vlive i knew smth was 1000% off

[@anunknownstay]

in conclusion, the place where we're at rn: 1st victim's claims have no proof therefore 10x has also no proof against victim 1. 10x is real. victim 2 was a liar. edit: this comment wasnt about any opinion. i didnt say i believe a certain side neither that i am neutral or that the 1st victim should show proof. i just tried to summarize the video. as for the company, wit "real" i mean its officially registered. what you consider real might maybe differ and also i did not give any personal opinions on whether i think the company is professional or not etc. this comment isnt about that.

[@neechee1443]

what evidence can there be against the first victim? she did not even mention the place and date. I can get out of my ass that someone from nct or whatever grabbed my boobs at an unknown time in an unknown place and stan twitter will believe me lmao

[@siamelia]

I think the same.

[@oncefortwice1389]

I’m still hesitant about the company thing. Like, maybe they are a real company, but DKDK said it was registered July 27th which really is recent. How long ago did Woojin day he signed with a new company? And even more specific: why would a brand new entertainment company continue to support someone that they haven’t debuted in a situation such as this? They’re brand new yet they will have this whole situation surrounding them for years to come. It doesn’t make sense to me for them to do that. This entire thing is confusing and that’s that.

[@khezya9491]

David’s statement about Woojin being powerful and posting the picture etc doesn’t make sense. How would Woojin know that the alleged victim was gonna come out on the 7th of September? Why and how would the “victim” inform Woojin? Especially with the picture as evidence? And if that’s the case, why would Woojin ask someone to post the evidence a WHOLE week before the victim came out? Wouldn’t he want the evidence to be hidden or destroyed? If he didn’t ask someone to post the “evidence” the “victim” would not have used this picture (posted on 31st of Aug) and use it to say she took it on the alleged assault day (july) and used it as evidence in her statement. Basically if the picture wasn’t posted by someone who was puppetted by Woojin, the “victim” would have no evidence in the statement. And how would he have gotten ahold of the evidence anyway? It just doesn’t make sense.

[@s.lmultifandom1575]

I was confused the whole time at what he was saying it didn't make any sense , the guys was creating a whole drama in his head just why would woojin go through all that for a picture ? Like that's just so stupid and woojin powerful ? Bruh what even in the world is he saying...woojin was in the group for like 2 years ? Wasn't even that popular and they have to pay for their training period which is a lot and means that he didn't gain that much money so david saying he's powerful doesn't make any sense , apart if he was from a rich family of his family to be powerful then he could be but I don't think that's the case anyways he keep making assumptions which what all people are doing right now and which is wrong it looked like he didn't even do any research like bruh why are you even talking about this if you don't know anything about it ? The fact that he even looked pissed and used a loud tone when the other was correcting him or telling the true pissed me of so much stop making theories and think logically with your head it's not that hard...even though he kept on saying the is no proof and that he's on neither side the way he was making assumptions it looked like he did think woojin was at fault and keep trying to find something...I'm staying neutral on this there is a lot of celebrities out there who got their career ruined for nothing so i prefer not believing anyone until there a solid proof and that what everyone should do instand of making shit up , videos and sending death treats but so many people are acting immaturelly right now its pissing me off 🤦‍♀️

[@khezya9491]

S.l multifandom for me it sounded like they were more on Woojins side. Just because a victim lied they made it sound like the first victim lied idk... we never know but I think you should always believe the victim over the rapist. And the fact that David got pissed when Danny wasn’t agreeing was childish... everyone has their own opinion

[@s.lmultifandom1575]

@Khezya N'kinzi personally I feel like David was on the girl side while the other one was staying neutral while saying the information he found out which is right , about 1st and 2nd victim things it can sound of like this but I didn't think it was their inttention , I mean Danny's one...he just found the 2nd victim claims stupid which I personally think too and I understand his reaction especially when there's a guy beside you making up a whole plot of what woojin could have done just after he explained for 10 minutes that it couldn't make sense but I do understand why it looked like that too...about " believe victim over rapist " the thing here is again you're already telling he's a rapist which isn't really proved and don't confuse things up, being a rapist and a sexual assaulter is different both bad but one stronger ( even more bad ) , it could be on the other side and woojin being the victim which is why I do not support anyone I just wait for information without acusing anyone and without making up assumptions cuz we never really know anyways and I agree about the opinion everyone think diferently but I do think that sometimes people need to think straight and see what's in front of their eyes and not believe whatever they want and then clarify saying it's an opinion...

[@anisha5259]

that was exactly what i was thinking...how did he know she is gonna come out....either just a possibility he was threatened or what i mostly believe it was fake

[@brennathecatlover4360]

And woojin definitely isn’t powerful in my opinion. Jyp treated him like shit

[@nuukunn307]

They shouldn't release the final votes cause it will only bring harm to the trainees and it's not their fault.

[@raven-kn6lv]

Yes. It will ruin some trainees reputation which is bad. But damn I'm so curious to know who was rightfully in and who was not supposed to be. Sorry for thinking this way.😂.

[@helloisitmeurlookingfor5898]

raven it's alright man its human nature to be morbidly curious

[@nuukunn307]

@K.G true

[@nuukunn307]

@K.G it's such an akward situation no matter what they do it will ruin someones reputation so keeping things private really is the only solution

[@socialclimber1230]

i dont think this is possible but i think they should release which trainees 'should' have been in the group so they could sue cj, but i understand that if it's rigged from the start perhaps that would have impacted the final 'actual' result.

[@courtneyogtravel]

18:20 that is such a far fetched claim to say that this random guy was possibly paid to post a picture 4 months after it was allegedly taken to create an alibi when the accusation was 7 days after the picture was posted. I usually understand where David is coming from but this time was a bit too much 🤣

[@tackaye]

breh, I searched and searched for this when I first found out abt the controversy and it finally came outttt😌

[@TheReviewHuman]

Awww thank you Danny & David for your kind words about the Philippines :) We love y'all